The Syndicate

You lose a lynch too. If we don't No_Lynch on Day 1, we get three more chances at a mislynch before LYLO hits. This is 4 chances total.

If we do No_Lynch on Day 1, we get three chances at a mislynch, then we hit LYLO where there are equal numbers town and mafia.

So the difference here is that we either lynch a player with little information on Day 1, or we put ourselves in a high risk situation in LYLO. I'd prefer the former of these, because mafia is almost guaranteed to win in the latter.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You lose a lynch too. If we don't No_Lynch on Day 1, we get three more chances at a mislynch before LYLO hits. This is 4 chances total.

If we do No_Lynch on Day 1, we get three chances at a mislynch, then we hit LYLO where there are equal numbers town and mafia.

So the difference here is that we either lynch a player with little information on Day 1, or we put ourselves in a high risk situation in LYLO. I'd prefer the former of these, because mafia is almost guaranteed to win in the latter.

I've heard "LYLO" mentioned in every game I've played since I've been back. What does that refer to?

Lynch or Lose or something like that. Basically it means if town lynches one of their own in a LYLO round, they lose the game.

LYnch or LOse. It's the situation where if you lynch a civilian, the game ends and the baddies win, but if you lynch a baddie, the civilians are still alive. It's the last chance for civs to get it right. This situation can apply to any amount of baddies (3 civs and 2 baddies would be LYLO, if this is the situation for a day phase)

In a simple game with all deaths revealed, it's a situation that becomes easily evident. Most games on the Syndicate can't rely on obvious LYLO scenario because of wacky role powers as well as nightkilled players not being revealed.

Linki:

Choutas wrote:Voting boomslang. I want an explanation of his cryptic username.

Come now, I might ask the same of you! Boomslang refers to an Australian snake I thought was super cool when I was like 12. It's also (as I discovered later) the name of a music festival in Kentucky.

A no lynch sounds rather boring. How about a 13-way tie?

Tranq wrote:A no lynch sounds rather boring. How about a 13-way tie?

Russian roulette? You're a gamblin' man, Tranq.

Boomslang wrote:

Choutas wrote:Voting boomslang. I want an explanation of his cryptic username.

Come now, I might ask the same of you! Boomslang refers to an Australian snake I thought was super cool when I was like 12. It's also (as I discovered later) the name of a music festival in Kentucky.

Fair enough. My username is the degeneration of my real name which is Chris.

I'm as pleased as punch with the smaller roster of players

Come on Choutas, let's get 9,000 posts in this game. You and me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Tranq wrote:A no lynch sounds rather boring. How about a 13-way tie?

Russian roulette? You're a gamblin' man, Tranq.

A man is as good as his gambling ability

a2thezebra wrote:I don't either, but Enrique hasn't had any experience with it. Why suspect him?

^

I kinda figured I'd end up getting votes if it turned to be a historically bad idea, but it caught my eye and it's not like there's been a lot more to discuss, even now.

So basically we play it hardcore these games. It's pretty essential to be getting our lynches right from the start or we're toast. That makes sense. Hope to see more discussion before the poll's up.

Well you have one random vote from MM which has yet to change, and the other vote is Wilgy's, which is also random. I don't trust Wilgy.

The fact that votes are changeable makes me less worried. MM was just being a goof, and I don't really know Wilgy so I can't say much about his playstyle, but I feel as though he may have just been trying to get a reaction (though I don't really appreciate how much easier he's made it for people waiting to jump on a wagon against me ).

Enrique wrote:The fact that votes are changeable makes me less worried. MM was just being a goof, and I don't really know Wilgy so I can't say much about his playstyle, but I feel as though he may have just been trying to get a reaction (though I don't really appreciate how much easier he's made it for people waiting to jump on a wagon against me ).

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Come on Choutas, let's get 9,000 posts in this game. You and me.

I'm not sure I could deal with that after last game. I thought this game might be much more small and I would actually be able to keep up with the reading, which makes me excited to play.

Enrique wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I don't either, but Enrique hasn't had any experience with it. Why suspect him?

^

I kinda figured I'd end up getting votes if it turned to be a historically bad idea, but it caught my eye and it's not like there's been a lot more to discuss, even now.

So basically we play it hardcore these games. It's pretty essential to be getting our lynches right from the start or we're toast. That makes sense. Hope to see more discussion before the poll's up.

Why did you suspect that you would be getting votes? Why is it a bad idea to vote for you?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Come on Choutas, let's get 9,000 posts in this game. You and me.

If you manage to do that I will be immensely impressed.

Does anyone find Zebra changing her vote a number of times somewhat suspicious?

Linki - I second bcornett's statement about keeping posts to a minimum.

Because I was bringing up an idea that, as it turns out, benefits baddies the most. Added to the fact that it was the longest post so far and I already had a vote, yeah, I saw it coming. I was talking about the No Lynch option when I mentioned historically bad ideas, but yeah, voting for me isn't such a great one either

linki: umm what? Why would we want to keep posts to a minimum? This is still completely small-time, you can handle it.

I also wouldn't give too much importance to the votes given so far. Until it's final, it's just gonna be people messing around. Right now it means nothing.

I'm voting no lynch for the moment, might change later

Luke11646 wrote:I'm voting no lynch for the moment, might change later

So after we've discussed no lynch being a not particularly civ-friendly option, as well as established that changeable votes make throwing one out early not a big deal, you still go for the no lynch? Why so?

In fact, I'll throw my hat—er, vote—in the ring to draw some discussion.

Boomslang, Luke is pretty new to Mafia just so you know. He's played a few games but I think he's still getting the grasp of it.

Zebra...

a2thezebra wrote:I don't trust Wilgy.

Why not? Or were you just being funny?

a2thezebra wrote:I've never seen it work in town's favor. Ever. You're more likely to pick a random player to lynch and get lucky than lynch no one and give scum a free night kill. That's essentially what "no lynch" is, it's surrendering to mafia.

I can see why a person new to the concept would like it though. It's essentially doing the same thing that people do when they random day 1. I admit, I was fascinated by the idea the first time I'd been exponsed to it till all the stuff that comes after this post was explained to me.

That said....I still random often on Day 1.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You lose a lynch too. If we don't No_Lynch on Day 1, we get three more chances at a mislynch before LYLO hits. This is 4 chances total.

If we do No_Lynch on Day 1, we get three chances at a mislynch, then we hit LYLO where there are equal numbers town and mafia.

So the difference here is that we either lynch a player with little information on Day 1, or we put ourselves in a high risk situation in LYLO. I'd prefer the former of these, because mafia is almost guaranteed to win in the latter.

What is LYLO?

bcornett24 wrote:

Enrique wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I don't either, but Enrique hasn't had any experience with it. Why suspect him?

^

I kinda figured I'd end up getting votes if it turned to be a historically bad idea, but it caught my eye and it's not like there's been a lot more to discuss, even now.

So basically we play it hardcore these games. It's pretty essential to be getting our lynches right from the start or we're toast. That makes sense. Hope to see more discussion before the poll's up.

Why did you suspect that you would be getting votes? Why is it a bad idea to vote for you?

because it's the first thing that's been said that wasn't jokey and could be jumped on? Just spitballin' here....

Matt F wrote:Boomslang, Luke is pretty new to Mafia just so you know. He's played a few games but I think he's still getting the grasp of it.

Zebra...

a2thezebra wrote:I don't trust Wilgy.

Why not? Or were you just being funny?

vibes

TheFloyd73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Come on Choutas, let's get 9,000 posts in this game. You and me.

If you manage to do that I will be immensely impressed.

Does anyone find Zebra changing her vote a number of times somewhat suspicious?

Linki - I second bcornett's statement about keeping posts to a minimum.

I don't find it suspicious this early. I'm not the greatest fan in the world of changeable votes for lots of reasons, but it seems to be the thing these days. *shakes cane* In my day we voted once and it meant something /old lady.
This early in the game, I'm guessing zeeb is voting people who catch her eye and also maybe voting lots to generate discussion. I don't see that as inherently bad. I would be far more worried about it if it were later in the cycle and she expressed any sort of non jokey reason for voting them.

Also - I'll likely respond to posts that happen while I can't look at the thread singularly like this. Sorry for all the spam.

linki- ohh! new stuff!!!

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt F wrote:Boomslang, Luke is pretty new to Mafia just so you know. He's played a few games but I think he's still getting the grasp of it.

Zebra...

a2thezebra wrote:I don't trust Wilgy.

Why not? Or were you just being funny?

vibes

residual vibes from TH? or something here?

I initially voted for DrWilgy as a joke but I don't dig this:

DrWilgy wrote:Enrique gets my vote for now. I don't think "no lynch" has ever been a fantastic option for civilians in any game I've played.

As I said, I don't understand why you would vote for someone for showing interest in something they are unaccustomed to, whether it's pro-town or not. It seems opportunistic and too easy.

bea, this is LYLO. It's a RYM term.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:LYnch or LOse. It's the situation where if you lynch a civilian, the game ends and the baddies win, but if you lynch a baddie, the civilians are still alive. It's the last chance for civs to get it right. This situation can apply to any amount of baddies (3 civs and 2 baddies would be LYLO, if this is the situation for a day phase)

In a simple game with all deaths revealed, it's a situation that becomes easily evident. Most games on the Syndicate can't rely on obvious LYLO scenario because of wacky role powers as well as nightkilled players not being revealed.

Linki:

thank you marshmotnewt.

That sounds like maffs that I am bad at.

a2thezebra wrote:I initially voted for DrWilgy as a joke but I don't dig this:

DrWilgy wrote:Enrique gets my vote for now. I don't think "no lynch" has ever been a fantastic option for civilians in any game I've played.

As I said, I don't understand why you would vote for someone for showing interest in something they are unaccustomed to, whether it's pro-town or not. It seems opportunistic and too easy.

that is a fair point. Thank you for reminding me of you having said it at the time it happened. I am cute *and* forgetful.

bea wrote:thank you marshmotnewt.

That sounds like maffs that I am bad at.

It's basically the day phase where the civvies can't screw up or the game ends and they lose.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

bea wrote:thank you marshmotnewt.

That sounds like maffs that I am bad at.

It's basically the day phase where the civvies can't screw up or the game ends and they lose.

Yea...the maffs.

I'd like to say I have other qualities I bring to the game,but that's just silly. I wear my Queen Nub crown with relief that everyone finally gets how dumb I am.

but now I know to look for you all that are good at the maffs to point out when we are getting near there. Cuz I need all the help I can get!

Luke11646 wrote:I'm voting no lynch for the moment, might change later

I think this needs to change, no day one votes is a horrible idea Luke11646

*sigh* Luke, you really gotta read the whole thread before you post something.

Matt F wrote:Boomslang, Luke is pretty new to Mafia just so you know. He's played a few games but I think he's still getting the grasp of it.

Fair enough, and I'll take that under consideration. Still, even if he's new, he's had the same chance to study the thread and its arguments as the rest of us. The vote did come after all of that naysaying, so to ignore it is still making a statement.

Boomslang wrote:

Matt F wrote:Boomslang, Luke is pretty new to Mafia just so you know. He's played a few games but I think he's still getting the grasp of it.

Fair enough, and I'll take that under consideration. Still, even if he's new, he's had the same chance to study the thread and its arguments as the rest of us. The vote did come after all of that naysaying, so to ignore it is still making a statement.

he's so new...are you sure he read the thread and digested it like he should have??

And I"m going to correct matt too. He's not played "a few games'" he's played one. Epi's speed game- in which he's prolly going to be lynched.

He's as new and green as they come near as I can tell boom.

But bea, Luke also played LC's game.

Matt F wrote:But bea, Luke also played LC's game.

Hi Matt, feeling lonely? You don't have any votes.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Matt F wrote:But bea, Luke also played LC's game.

Hi Matt, feeling lonely? You don't have any votes.

Just as I like it.

If not Wilgy, who are you looking at for day 1, MM?

Sorry, you and Wilgy both have your vote on Enrique. I thought you had your vote on Wilgy.

Derp.

On that note, I'm out. Night peeps

Boomslang wrote:

Luke11646 wrote:I'm voting no lynch for the moment, might change later

So after we've discussed no lynch being a not particularly civ-friendly option, as well as established that changeable votes make throwing one out early not a big deal, you still go for the no lynch? Why so?

In fact, I'll throw my hat—er, vote—in the ring to draw some discussion.

I've been busy lately and I haven't had time to read the thread until now so I just voted to say that I was here so that people wouldn't vote for me just because I wasn't here.

Matt F wrote:But bea, Luke also played LC's game.

I'm not playing lc's game or even trying to follow it. How would I know that?

a2thezebra wrote:I initially voted for DrWilgy as a joke but I don't dig this:

DrWilgy wrote:Enrique gets my vote for now. I don't think "no lynch" has ever been a fantastic option for civilians in any game I've played.

As I said, I don't understand why you would vote for someone for showing interest in something they are unaccustomed to, whether it's pro-town or not. It seems opportunistic and too easy.

too easy indeed, if I wanted to put a vote on someone early and stick to it for purposes of mislynch I'd put alittle more effort into it, perhaps by playing off someone's opportunism?

Voting someone for showing interest in a mechanic they don't know about is fine when we have nothing else to go on, but I'll move my vote to Choutas for actually being on no lynch.

I mean... I'd rather have RVS than No Lynch, at least that way we get info. Even if I were to die via RVS, you may be able to pick out some baddies via vote patterns later on. The only times where I've seen a LYLO situation as civ (I say seen, because I was always dead at that point) were due to no lynching, so let's not do that.

Would y'all believe me if I said I was a Doctor? I don't think I've set my tempo yet... What do I do this game?

Hmm... I also don't like Luke's vote... Meh, staying on Choutas for now.

I really don't want to vote for Luke. But y'all better not let me die either

I'm gonna leave Wilgy a vote for now, because out of the candidates so far, he's the only one I can understand. Decent chance I'll still change it if something else comes up or if it's the only way to save myself.

linki: Wait what? You can just say that's not the case, but don't plat it off as if zebra didn't have a point. Having an early vote for the only person who's spoken up and has a vote already can be interpreted as being predatory as hell.

What's RVS? Did you guys really come up with all these new rules and names since the last time I played?