The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:27 am**

insertnamehere wrote: If I had any other major thoughts, I'd share them.

3J's a mystery to me, I don't think I've actually played a game with him as a baddie, so I'm not quite sure what to expect. I don't really fall one way or the other as far as Sloonei. All I'm gonna say is that, barring a major slip, I'd never suspect 3J at Day 0.

Then again, that seems like the only possible time you can actually ISO the gregarious chucklehead.

Alrighty, I have to go to sleep, so any further interrogatives will have to be postponed.

Fair enough. Thanks for your time.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:28 am**

MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:28 am**

184 posts. I think this is my most post-heavy maybe I've ever been at this stage of the game. I'm running on pure mafia adrenaline right now.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:28 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

Well, at least you're honest, thanks.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:29 am**

Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I suspect neither MP for saying "fellow" nor Dom for bringing it up. It's poop worth tossing.

Golden wrote:So, you see MP engaging in a bit of moustache twirling?

I do actually see your point - MP, why assume LoRab is a civvie? Surely that's implied by saying 'fellow civvies'?
Adverb alert. I don't think that was implied in what MP said. This seems like a trivial thing for Golden to bother with -- I'd expect him to be the guy dismissing this notion first.
Golden, I'd just like to hear you respond to this line of thinking:

Why did you assume what my point was?
I was not aware I had assumed what your point was. Are you telling me I've misunderstood your point?
Have you read my posts?
Yes.

then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:30 am**

Dom wrote: then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall

That is me like every game though, isn't it?

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:31 am**

MovingPictures07 wrote:184 posts. I think this is my most post-heavy maybe I've ever been at this stage of the game. I'm running on pure mafia adrenaline right now.

tbh
posts like this are why its so high tho

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:31 am**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote: then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall
That is me like every game though, isn't it?

I wouldn't say so.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:31 am**

Blooper, I still have my vote on you. How do you feel about that?

If you can tell me which player to move it to and why, I'll heavily consider your request.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:32 am**

Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote: then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall
That is me like every game though, isn't it?
I wouldn't say so.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:32 am**

Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:184 posts. I think this is my most post-heavy maybe I've ever been at this stage of the game. I'm running on pure mafia adrenaline right now.
tbh
posts like this are why its so high tho

Well... yeah, but still.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:32 am**

Dom wrote:I wouldn't say so.

Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:33 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:33 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:I wouldn't say so.
Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.

GY!BEMP is an awesome abbreviation.

Godspeed You! Black Emperor (of) Monty Python?

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:34 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.
One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.

I've tried it; I can't do it. My brain will not let me.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:36 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:I wouldn't say so.
Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.

It's not like it's a huge thing.

But I don't think MP is usually so overtly, and repeatedly saying that he is a civ to thread.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:36 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.
One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.

What does that even mean?

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:37 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.
One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.
What does that even mean?

Playing fast and loose for the first half of the game, then becoming a vote analyzing machine for the second half.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:38 am**

Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:I wouldn't say so.
Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.
It's not like it's a huge thing.

But I don't think MP is usually so overtly, and repeatedly saying that he is a civ to thread.

Repeatedly?

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:38 am**

Also, Dom, would you please not suspect me in a game for once? :P

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:39 am**

Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:I wouldn't say so.
Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.
It's not like it's a huge thing.

But I don't think MP is usually so overtly, and repeatedly saying that he is a civ to thread.

Could be. I see an energized and motivated MP that reminds me of myself at my most ridiculous (and I've been known at times to brazenly declare things like "I'm so f***ing town" when I'm feeling in the zone). I don't have a problem with it.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:39 am**

Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:
Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I suspect neither MP for saying "fellow" nor Dom for bringing it up. It's poop worth tossing.

Golden wrote:So, you see MP engaging in a bit of moustache twirling?

I do actually see your point - MP, why assume LoRab is a civvie? Surely that's implied by saying 'fellow civvies'?
Adverb alert. I don't think that was implied in what MP said. This seems like a trivial thing for Golden to bother with -- I'd expect him to be the guy dismissing this notion first.
Golden, I'd just like to hear you respond to this line of thinking:

Why did you assume what my point was?
I was not aware I had assumed what your point was. Are you telling me I've misunderstood your point?
Have you read my posts?
Yes.
then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall

I didn't say that it did. I thought it was that you felt the word 'fellow' was specifically why he came across as civvie.

My questions about lorab were my own, not me trying to speak for you.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:39 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.
One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.
What does that even mean?

I'll explain in baddie chat.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:40 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:I wouldn't say so.
Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.
It's not like it's a huge thing.

But I don't think MP is usually so overtly, and repeatedly saying that he is a civ to thread.
Could be. I see an energized and motivated MP that reminds me of myself at my most ridiculous (and I've been known at times to brazenly declare things like "I'm so f***ing town" when I'm feeling in the zone). I don't have a problem with it.

LOL, that's so hilarious!

I am totally in the fucking zone this game though; I haven't been this consumed by a game in... well, a long ass time.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:40 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.
One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.
What does that even mean?
I'll explain in baddie chat.

Jay using WIFOM? WTF is this?

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:42 am**

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.
One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.
What does that even mean?
Playing fast and loose for the first half of the game, then becoming a vote analyzing machine for the second half.

Ture. I like to create the content now, then analyze it on Day 4 or so. :P And it's much easier to analyze things when a scum (or two or three) has flipped.

This game will be a bit different, because I doubt I'll catch up on all the Day 0 content.

Linki: That's the spirit JaggedJimmyJuniperJumper!

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:42 am**

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, Dom, would you please not suspect me in a game for once? :P

i mean no.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:43 am**

Ha, it is kind of funny, because after my recent posts about ninja and jay, I was going to tell mp that NOW I think he should be townreading me.

I am in the zone at the moment.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:43 am**

i'd still vote jay over u rn tbh

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:43 am**

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Jay using WIFOM? WTF is this?

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:44 am**

Dom wrote:i'd still vote jay over u rn tbh

Do you have concerns other than those we've already discussed?

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:44 am**

I'm concerned that Jay is bad. The possibility is very concerning.

Jay, what would you do with yourself if you were mafia?

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:45 am**

Argh, my posting is so low on content right now, and I'm getting too tired/slaphappy. Sorry for the low content posts you all have to wade through. I'll revisit and do some analytical stuff whenever I have time tomorrow.

I'll add Golden to the town reads here in my rainbow (spoilered so you all can expand it if you want since I just posted one earlier and INH doesn't want to see them :P):

Spoiler: show

And like I said to Golden, I feel like I need to ISO Jay to figure out what's going on with the dissonance between my brain and my gut.

I also would like to put Sloonei as a town read, but I need to see something more from him that's not JJJ-related too before I feel like I can do that. Everyone else I'm just not sure what to do with at the moment.

See you later, game.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:46 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm concerned that Jay is bad. The possibility is very concerning.

Jay, what would you do with yourself if you were mafia?

Probably waste a bunch of time ISOing every player right now or something.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:49 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm concerned that Jay is bad. The possibility is very concerning.

Jay, what would you do with yourself if you were mafia?
Probably waste a bunch of time ISOing every player right now or something.

I'm confused, isn't that what you do when you're town?

This man's unreadable!!

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:49 am**

Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:50 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm confused, isn't that what you do when you're town?

This man's unreadable!!

Once in a while. Most of the time I don't get into hyper-analysis mode until a scum is dead. It's a great way to fit the profile people expect of a generic Town JJJ though when I have any reason to give a shit about that.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:55 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.

Couple it with the fact that it was you he voted for, and you have my entire reason right there.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:09 am**

Beefs with Scotty:

Spoiler: show

Yellow: This is less believable to me in this game than it would be in most games because it has become trendy. The relevant reference is in an ongoing game so I am not obliged to expand, but I don't accept this at face value.

Orange: He threw shade at MP, but only indirectly via challenging positive reads of MP -- positive reads that I don't think actually existed in this thread. Those who've expressed any trust in MP haven't referenced his civilian reads as the reason.

Spoiler: show

Meh. Getting chummy with someone he halfway claimed to suspect in the prior post while being accused by the same player. Looks rather fake.

Spoiler: show

Scotty made an actual read based on an actual thing on Day 0. Meta departure. The reason provided isn't inspiring.

Spoiler: show

MP pointed this out earlier. Scotty's all over the place here. The yellow text represents a caveat which absolves MP of the criticism that follows in the orange text. The orange text is assertive though. There's a "hard ping" voiced but it is disqualified by the step-back accompanying yellow text.

Spoiler: show

Scotty opened with an accusation of me, but it's not something he really pursued with much fervor. This above post represents the only example of follow-up, and it's a typical Scotty metaphor which doesn't say anything.

Spoiler: show

WIFOM

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:14 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:My true beef was with those two posts I highlighted in my follow-up post. As it was Day 0, I was mostly just trying to fling poo and put content in the thread. I did not put a whole lot of thought into the way I presented my case, I was just concerned with calling attention to a pattern I thought I was picking up on in your posts. In a lot of your Day 0 posts it appeared to me like you were tiptoeing around and trying not to do anything that would get yourself caught in any traps. Maybe this is just a product of an unusually chatty Day 0, but I am accustomed to you being an aggressive poo-flinger out of the gate.
I've said that I was restraining my tendency to fling copious amounts of poo because I didn't want to blow up the thread. That can be believed or not. It's a mindset I have adopted on a few Day 0s in recent memory.

My belief in this statement is complicated by the fact that my suspicion hinges on a post where you claim to be acting purely in the name of poo flinging on Day 0.

Sloonei wrote:MP calls you out for what he perceives as a softball question and your response is "Yeah I guess. Or...". I concede that the explanation contained in that "or..." is a valid approach on Day 0/1, but I get the vibe that it came more from a defensive place than an honest one. On top of that, I think this post of yours lends some additional credibility to MP's accusation against you. There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of resistance here. You prodded him but then pulled back as soon as he responded. Day 0 or not, I like my JJJ's to be more aggressive than that.
It wasn't an assertion I had a great deal of investment in. I only threw it out there because it popped into my head. I had even asserted MP looked good in relation to his introductory PoE dialogue, my read still trended more positive than not. Aggressiveness has its purpose, but sometimes it's also pointless.

Sloonei wrote:You said earlier that your "I guess" might as well be replaced by the shrug emoji, but that's exactly my point. You seem to be completely conceding whatever you had said prior to this point in the argument. As far as my suspicion is concerned, the content that comes after your first sentence is totally irrelevant. My suspicion is purely in the language you use here. "I guess I don't agree" suggests less confidence than simply "I don't agree." Town Jay has no reason to lack confidence when making the simple statement of opinion like this.
I don't understand what you're saying here. MP was basing his town read on INH on a premise that I didn't have as much faith in, and I said as much. It wasn't a qualification of something I had said before, but rather it was a response to MP's assertion. I really felt the entire conversation was eating up thread space and not making meaningful headway, at least not for me.

The rest of this response looks better and I can't pick at it without entering a tunnel, which is a bad place to be only a couple of hours into Day 1. I'm not ready to give you a town read, but I need to step back and cast a wider net now.

Others have expressed a liking to this case I've laid out (Dom, Boomslang, Golden, perhaps some others) and I'd like to hear which parts they like and what they think of this response.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:15 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.
Couple it with the fact that it was you he voted for, and you have my entire reason right there.

What if I told you it's more of a pressure vote than anything?

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:21 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:i'd still vote jay over u rn tbh
Do you have concerns other than those we've already discussed?

no.
i'm not too pinged by anything rn which is why i haven't voted

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:24 am**

Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:My true beef was with those two posts I highlighted in my follow-up post. As it was Day 0, I was mostly just trying to fling poo and put content in the thread. I did not put a whole lot of thought into the way I presented my case, I was just concerned with calling attention to a pattern I thought I was picking up on in your posts. In a lot of your Day 0 posts it appeared to me like you were tiptoeing around and trying not to do anything that would get yourself caught in any traps. Maybe this is just a product of an unusually chatty Day 0, but I am accustomed to you being an aggressive poo-flinger out of the gate.
I've said that I was restraining my tendency to fling copious amounts of poo because I didn't want to blow up the thread. That can be believed or not. It's a mindset I have adopted on a few Day 0s in recent memory.
My belief in this statement is complicated by the fact that my suspicion hinges on a post where you claim to be acting purely in the name of poo flinging on Day 0.

Yeah I flung a poo. MP was there posting a million times, I had a moment of memory, and put it in the thread. MP is scary and my momentary instinct was to say the thing -- he's very easy to trust for his involvement and it's an unwise mindset. I didn't pursue it much beyond the fling because it didn't make me feel much.

I probably could have flung more poos than just that one, but I restrained myself for the reasons I've stated. It was especially important to me to contain my Day 0 content after the POE conversation dragged on too long and filled the thread with thick posts about stuff that doesn't really matter.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:25 am**

Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:i'd still vote jay over u rn tbh
Do you have concerns other than those we've already discussed?
no.
i'm not too pinged by anything rn which is why i haven't voted

So your suspicion is primarily about the MP comment I made on Day 0? I just want to be clear.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:26 am**

ok so who is bad? raise your hand

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:29 am**

insertnamehere wrote:This feels like had-too-much-sugar-and-caffeine MP, which I haven't seen, maybe ever.

Would you say, perhaps, that he is like a dog who is so excited he is just peeing all over everything?

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:34 am**

Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.
Couple it with the fact that it was you he voted for, and you have my entire reason right there.
What if I told you it's more of a pressure vote than anything?

Actions speak louder than words, and all I can hear is tour vote.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:34 am**

Ebwop: your

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:35 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, can you give me a rainbow? I'd like a rainbow.
How about gun to heads? That'd be more useful to me right now.

A Person -- bad
Boomslang -- bad
LoRab -- bad
Scotty -- bad
sig -- bad

I like these baddies and my own GTH scum team might look similar right now, so that's good. Boomslang has given me a couple of pings, and nothing about LoRab's small sample of posts has carried over those Super Strong Town vibes that just radiated from everything she did in Mad Max. Scotty has had a fair amount of suspicion brought against him which I am intrigued by. A Person hasn't said a whole lot and I can pick up some lurker scum vibes in there. sig's done nothing to catch my eye, though.

Posted: **Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:35 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.
Couple it with the fact that it was you he voted for, and you have my entire reason right there.
What if I told you it's more of a pressure vote than anything?
Actions speak louder than words, and all I can hear is tour vote.

So you don't care at all about my case against him?

The Syndicate

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