The Syndicate

this shit is giving me traumatic GY!BE Day 1 flashbacks

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is the best. You all are awesome. There's no anxiety-inducing high like a D1 EoD clusterfuck.

That's all really easy to say when you're the one controlling it.

How do you figure? Whom do you think would receive blame if the CFD was incorrect?

The controller bears the most responsibility, even if it shouldn't be that way. I'm taking a risk; so is everyone else suggesting CFDs.

This is too nerve wrecking. What's with all the last minute switches?

Are we allowed to talk?

speedchuck wrote:Poll closed. I guess we wait for EOD. Will there be nightchat?

CFD = Chinese Fire Drill
Switching very quickly from one lynch to another with little time to spare

By nightchat you mean posting during night? Most games allow it, so I'd assume so. Floyd can clarify.

And yes, that.

=/

speedchuck wrote:Poll closed. I guess we wait for EOD. Will there be nightchat?

CFD = Chinese Fire Drill
Switching very quickly from one lynch to another with little time to spare

Thanks

nutella, sorry if I'm wrong. I really wavered on you for a bit there, but in the end believe there have been numerous solid points made in favor of your lynch. It was great to get to play with you again either way.

I used to wait outside
But I guess I won't anymore

You have lynched nutella, who was Disciples. They were...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_fire_drill

More literally, this hilarious exercise.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Poll closed. I guess we wait for EOD. Will there be nightchat?

CFD = Chinese Fire Drill
Switching very quickly from one lynch to another with little time to spare

By nightchat you mean posting during night? Most games allow it, so I'd assume so. Floyd can clarify.

And yes, that.

Are you for real?? Haha, this is like a different universe! I love it!

Also, sorry Nut. =/

Well, fuck. RIP nutella. Thanks for giving it an attempt.

WELP

Sorry nut.

For the record, in my <5 year mafia career, this is my first open night chat.

It's time to reassess. Plenty of content to analyze and dissect.

However, I have to go now. I spent way too much time here as it is. I'll see what I can do before D2, but it might not be a whole lot.

Lame.

It was at least a hectic EOD and there should be plenty of data to sift through.

Ugh.

I will have to be mostly gone for the night time though. My exam is due to soon, and I've been way too consumed with the game to have made wanted progress. I need to find some self dicipline with that. Which me good luck.

speedchuck wrote:WELP

Sorry nut.

For the record, in my <5 year mafia career, this is my first open night chat.

Same. I was like wut. But it's cool, should consider implementing it in a game at PerC.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is the best. You all are awesome. There's no anxiety-inducing high like a D1 EoD clusterfuck.

That's all really easy to say when you're the one controlling it.

How do you figure? Whom do you think would receive blame if the CFD was incorrect?

The controller bears the most responsibility, even if it shouldn't be that way. I'm taking a risk; so is everyone else suggesting CFDs.

You seem to be favoring the CFD strategy more and more, to the point where I'd expect it from you regardless of alignment.

All CFD's really do is remove logic and reason from the game. Sometimes that can randomly work, but most of the time, we all get screwed over.

Then again, I think a toss-up between one or more people who all have decent cases behind them can be good, but this culture of "this random person said one thing kinda fishy in EOD, let's lynch them instead of the person with actual points against them" is poison.

Once again, MP, you seem genuine town to me. I just don't agree with how you're being it.

And I'm not saying that everyone has to agree with the way I play. You can disagree with everything I said, and that's coolio. I don't want this to become bogged in a gameplay debate. I still have mental scarring because of ol' Edgar Allen. But when people are pressuring me into the hotseat, I'm gonna say something.

I'll be here for a good portion of N1, I think. I do well in the afternoons, usually. My time, of course. In this game, that's good.

Good luck on the exam, Dys!

BTW, as the cop, I'm going to check Epi.

Meh. RIP Nutella.

All this shifting of votes at the end of the day feels to me like someone wanted to cause chaos. Wish I knew who. I'm going to sleep. Will think about it tomorrow.

Some people think time and pressure helps them.

I think the opposite.

Despite thinking that Nutella was the best option after a cursory skim of the thread while I was speeding to stop people from mislynching me, this result doesn't come as a surprise; it's the natural product of hectic EOD's, IMO.

RIP nutella. Sorry for not being here the most. Thanks for not CFDing me.

nutella wrote:Wish I could say I wasn't bitter but I'm bitter as fuck. That was awful. I hope the mafia wins.

b-b-but hectic EODs where no one has time to think are just such gosh darn FUN

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is the best. You all are awesome. There's no anxiety-inducing high like a D1 EoD clusterfuck.

That's all really easy to say when you're the one controlling it.

How do you figure? Whom do you think would receive blame if the CFD was incorrect?

The controller bears the most responsibility, even if it shouldn't be that way. I'm taking a risk; so is everyone else suggesting CFDs.

You seem to be favoring the CFD strategy more and more, to the point where I'd expect it from you regardless of alignment.

All CFD's really do is remove logic and reason from the game. Sometimes that can randomly work, but most of the time, we all get screwed over.

Then again, I think a toss-up between one or more people who all have decent cases behind them can be good, but this culture of "this random person said one thing kinda fishy in EOD, let's lynch them instead of the person with actual points against them" is poison.

Once again, MP, you seem genuine town to me. I just don't agree with how you're being it.

And I'm not saying that everyone has to agree with the way I play. You can disagree with everything I said, and that's coolio. I don't want this to become bogged in a gameplay debate. I still have mental scarring because of ol' Edgar Allen. But when people are pressuring me into the hotseat, I'm gonna say something.

You're beyond logic and reason when you wait until the last ten minutes to catch up and say anything.

Or, to be less coy, I'm worried about Epi.

I'm worried that we were barking up the wrong tree and looking at the wrong droids through the entire EOD. If nut and FZ are town, I'd suspect Epi some. Reasons:

Gut

Wilgy's read (which I want clarification on)

The way Epi was good early then didn't show up as much (still here, but not memorable aside from vote switching)

All the vote switching

*places tinfoil hat on head*

FZ. wrote:Meh. RIP Nutella.

All this shifting of votes at the end of the day feels to me like someone wanted to cause chaos. Wish I knew who. I'm going to sleep. Will think about it tomorrow.

I did.

Changeable votes are a civilian advantage. With unchangeable votes, people vote and fuck off elsewhere. That tends to reduce pressure and the resultant discussion. Now you get to judge the motivations behind the vote movement.

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is the best. You all are awesome. There's no anxiety-inducing high like a D1 EoD clusterfuck.

That's all really easy to say when you're the one controlling it.

How do you figure? Whom do you think would receive blame if the CFD was incorrect?

The controller bears the most responsibility, even if it shouldn't be that way. I'm taking a risk; so is everyone else suggesting CFDs.

You seem to be favoring the CFD strategy more and more, to the point where I'd expect it from you regardless of alignment.

All CFD's really do is remove logic and reason from the game. Sometimes that can randomly work, but most of the time, we all get screwed over.

Then again, I think a toss-up between one or more people who all have decent cases behind them can be good, but this culture of "this random person said one thing kinda fishy in EOD, let's lynch them instead of the person with actual points against them" is poison.

Once again, MP, you seem genuine town to me. I just don't agree with how you're being it.

And I'm not saying that everyone has to agree with the way I play. You can disagree with everything I said, and that's coolio. I don't want this to become bogged in a gameplay debate. I still have mental scarring because of ol' Edgar Allen. But when people are pressuring me into the hotseat, I'm gonna say something.

You're beyond logic and reason when you wait until the last ten minutes to catch up and say anything.

Believe me, it wasn't a conscious choice on my part to show up 20 minutes before EOD.

speedchuck wrote:All the vote switching

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Meh. RIP Nutella.

All this shifting of votes at the end of the day feels to me like someone wanted to cause chaos. Wish I knew who. I'm going to sleep. Will think about it tomorrow.

I did.

Changeable votes are a civilian advantage. With unchangeable votes, people vote and fuck off elsewhere. That tends to reduce pressure and the resultant discussion. Now you get to judge the motivations behind the vote movement.

the ends ain't justifyin' the means, Epi-boy.

Shit, I realized that I wanted to address something re: strategy, so I'm here for now to just say:

I understand we've opted to not bluntly state peeks. That's cool. And I can't tell you all how to play.

But if the mafia know how to play this setup and strategize properly, they are going to try to discern who they think is most likely the cop and kill that player tonight. Please don't let that scare you though. We need your reads. The cop already has one person they KNOW is town (right? since we confirmed a n0 peek?), and they can uncover more if they live beyond tonight.

If town wants to protect the Cop, everyone needs to provide multiple reads if they haven't already. And if you're the Cop, please disguise your read as a believable in-thread read. We need all the information out there so that the Cop can't be uncovered, but we also need to make sure that, god forbid the mafia get lucky and kill the Cop N1 like they did in Parks and Rec, that fellow townies are able to at the least discern who their peek(s) are. The cop didn't even leave behind their N0 peek in Parks and Rec because no one else gave them any cover. Let's not repeat that. So far I think most of us have done a good job, but I just want to make my perspective on this abundantly clear.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Meh. RIP Nutella.

All this shifting of votes at the end of the day feels to me like someone wanted to cause chaos. Wish I knew who. I'm going to sleep. Will think about it tomorrow.

I did.

Changeable votes are a civilian advantage. With unchangeable votes, people vote and fuck off elsewhere. That tends to reduce pressure and the resultant discussion. Now you get to judge the motivations behind the vote movement.

Also,

Be back whenever, not sure when yet. I'll at least leave an updated rainbow before the end of Night 1 at a minimum, with brief explanations for why I'm feeling the way I am about folks.

I highly suggest everyone else do the same (or do your thang and leave your reads in the thread some other way if you don't like rainbows).

insertnamehere wrote:the ends ain't justifyin' the means, Epi-boy.

They do if the civilians win. They don't if the civilians lose. Simple as that.

In a scenario where you have to be alive to win as a civilian, I would grant that the chaotic redistribution of votes near the end would not be advantageous. This is no such scenario. Mafia have teammates to save, throw under the bus, or ignore. And they can't see the future.

nutella
speedchuck

Dyslexicon

JaggedJimmyJay
MovingPictures07
Marmot
DrWilgy

insertnamehere
FZ.
Epignosis
Elohcin

Luke11646
Long Con


It's a weird rainbow, but I'm in a weird place right now. I'll do more analysis and get an updated one out before D2 starts.

Way down at the bottom for good ol' LC, eh?

Long Con wrote:Way down at the bottom for good ol' LC, eh?

You aren't red. :P

Ok then:

Long Con
Epignosis
Dyslexicon
insertnamehere
JaggedJimmyJay
Elohcin
Marmot
Luke11646
DrWilgy
MovingPictures07
FZ.
speedchuck

What have you done???

Long Con wrote:Ok then:

Long Con
Epignosis
Dyslexicon
insertnamehere
JaggedJimmyJay
Elohcin
Marmot
Luke11646
DrWilgy
MovingPictures07
FZ.
speedchuck

I'm halfway between hating this rainbow and loving it. I'm gonna err of the side of hatred, because I'm in one of my moods.

Ok... what the hell happened? I just got home from work...

DrWilgy wrote:Ok... what the hell happened? I just got home from work...

We didn't lynch Epi


Why should we lynch Epi tomorrow?

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Going back to work. Lynch Epi everyone.

Your fascination with me is adorable.

Isn't it? Is it not? I think you gave me mafia ptsd in vocaroo.

Dyslexicon wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Expanding on this, at the time of this posts it was 3 vs 4 with Hazelnut in the lead.

The order of votes was that the 3 on FZ came before the 4 on Hazelnut. I don't think it's likely there was a bussing on Hazelnut meaning a busser would have to tie thier teammate up if they are into that, then put them in the lead.

The exception would be Epignosis. Epignosis wouldn't have known in a 3v1 scenario that Hazelnut could take the lead, thus making him a possible busser.

This is all on the assumption Hazelnut is bad.

Going back to work. Lynch Epi everyone.

If this reasoning hinges on Nut being scum, why not vote Nut instead who actually already have a vote on her? As I see it Epi is pretty unlikely to get lynched as it stands, or do you disagree with this?

This isn't the reason why Epi is bad. Just an observation that includes someone I'm suspicious of.

@MP, how well did poe work out for you last time?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Bold assertion:

FZ. and nutella are mafia teammates.

Dammit. I was hoping you weren't bad. Now I'm not sure. Why even post this? Why title it a bold assertion? No duh it's a bold assertion.

Epignosis wrote:

nutella wrote:

Long Con wrote:Hi MP! You're probably bad k

I'm going back to wanting to think this as well.

More wiggle words from the wiggly won.

FZ. wrote:Civ reads:

Epi
Wilgy
Chuck

...

Oh, you answer this later, nvm

nutella wrote:Ugh lame. Good luck civs even if everyone is doing a shit job so far. Talk about disorganized.

If it makes you feel any better I missed out on my revenge because you died. Womp womp.

speedchuck wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok... what the hell happened? I just got home from work...

We didn't lynch Epi


Why should we lynch Epi tomorrow?

Same reason when I called him bad originally.

What reason does a civ have to make the post below?

Epignosis wrote:I am continually amazed that the #1 FEB on the site leads more lynches than anybody else.

I also think its more likely that mafia Epi would notice this trend than civ Epi.


Tomorrow we could lynch FZ, MP, or Epi. I can confidently say that there is a baddie in this group. I doubt MP and Epi is a team however. I also doubt that FZ and MP are a team. Epi + FZ is plausible.

Day 1

DrWilgy wrote:What reason does a civ have to make the post below?

Epignosis wrote:I am continually amazed that the #1 FEB on the site leads more lynches than anybody else.

I also think its more likely that mafia Epi would notice this trend than civ Epi.

Right. My alignment determines whether or not I can go into the Hall of Fame, see that I've won more times than anyone else as mafia, and then revel in the irony that I lead more lynches than anybody else.

Get out of the city.

Voting Led Zeppelin because they are cool.

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:What reason does a civ have to make the post below?

Epignosis wrote:I am continually amazed that the #1 FEB on the site leads more lynches than anybody else.

I also think its more likely that mafia Epi would notice this trend than civ Epi.

Right. My alignment determines whether or not I can go into the Hall of Fame, see that I've won more times than anyone else as mafia, and then revel in the irony that I lead more lynches than anybody else.

Get out of the city.

But I just moved back to the city.


Likeliness is what determines this. It's not impossible for that post to be civ. I just don't think it's likely.