The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:41 pm Poll time is always my time, right? Like time zones are applied.

I should know this by now.

Check that your timezone is correct in ucp/ if post timestamps are correct then you're good. But DST is ending p soon so keep that in mind when that happens

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:35 pm Spent this whole weekend playing Red Dead, didn't have time for mafia. One has to prioritise in these situations! Catching up now

How is it? I loved most of Revolver but I thought Redemption was basically junk. Had that GTA disease wherein the story was told during long uneventful trips from place to place, combat was all about aim lock autowins, gathering flowers was stupid, teleporting mountain lions were stupid and the ending was like
But I’m open to RDR3 being good.

The actual solution is to just kill my duplicate again.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:49 pm The actual solution is to just kill my duplicate again.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:46 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:35 pm Spent this whole weekend playing Red Dead, didn't have time for mafia. One has to prioritise in these situations! Catching up now

How is it? I loved most of Revolver but I thought Redemption was basically junk. Had that GTA disease wherein the story was told during long uneventful trips from place to place, combat was all about aim lock autowins, gathering flowers was stupid, teleporting mountain lions were stupid and the ending was like

Spoiler: show

what if the government decided to send an entire army after a retired bounty hunter for absolutely no reason?

But I’m open to RDR3 being good.

Potential GOTY in my opinion. It's a prequel to the last Redemption game, not sure if Revolver is relevant as I never played that one. A lot of Redemption 1 characters show up including John and his family. Gameplay wise quite similar but vastly improved in every way. I've got probably 25-30 hours total playtime by now and have only just reached the beginning of Chapter Three, apparently there's six in total from what I've heard. Not encountered a single mountain lion and aim lock isn't really a thing at all. My only problems with it are minor, overall I've really enjoyed it. Story is great but there's enough open world to get lost for hours just doing random stuff, there are side missions and secrets all over the place. The map is huge, it includes all of the previous Redemption's map but I've barely even been on that side and have still explored a huge chunk of the world.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:29 am
I think I associate Dark Arts with Deathly Hallows as they are relatively both dark things. Or in my mind, both relate to the one who isn't to be named. The Deathly Hallows wouldn't exist without the dark arts I think.

It's like when I say scum. When I think of scum, I think both mafia and 3p (third party) are scum. Some sites like NF have taught me sometimes indies aren't scum.

This strikes me as odd because the Hallows themselves aren't evil. They're associated with Death, and trying to cheat Death in various ways. Good people don't want to die either. The Resurrection Stone was also just supposed to bring back people's loved ones, nothing remotely bad about that. We have seven books worth of the Invisibility Cloak being used for good, and the Elder Wand just obeys power. Those two could be used for evil or for good, depending on who had them. Voldemort wanted them as weapons because he was evil, not because they were.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:28 pm

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

That's pretty rude.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:14 pm I am town tho

I'm not town. Lie detect that. It'll come back untrue.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:28 pm

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

That's pretty rude.

But the deathly hallows.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:14 pm I am town tho

I'm not town. Lie detect that. It'll come back untrue.

This is a true and a false statement no matter your alignment.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:14 pm I am town tho

I'm not town. Lie detect that. It'll come back untrue.

Why did you quote Speed’s post when you made yours?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:32 am Also, why is it "by some fluke" if JJJ is bad?

Alignments are randomised, are they not? And yes, I might be fooling myself but yeah, I do think I might ba able to discern Jay’s ‘badness’ if he were bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:33 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:14 pm I am town tho

I'm not town. Lie detect that. It'll come back untrue.

This is a true and a false statement no matter your alignment.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:34 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:14 pm I am town tho

I'm not town. Lie detect that. It'll come back untrue.

Why did you quote Speed’s post when you made yours?

No particular reason. I just felt like making a similar statement and it was the most recent LD comment in my catchup.

So....I’m an idiot and we have another 24 hours.

But like otherwise, I’d have LC’s deathly hallow if he had one.

Typical Slytherin amirite

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:15 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:37 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:10 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:28 am Less than zero interest in lynching Jay...

This seems to be a recurring theme with you. Why?

I’m not sure what you mean by this remark, Quin? My personal view is that Jay is a fellow of superior intellect and capable of analysis far beyond that of mere mortals. On that basis, if he’s Town, I’d much prefer him on our side. If by some fluke he’s bad, he’ll reveal himself later down the track. I think he’s far more useful to us alive.

If you were by some chance referring to my last game here with Golden, I’ll confess - I do so wish he was playing this game. It would make my decision here infinitely easier.

Sure. On that same basis, if he's bad, I'd much prefer him dead. How do you think he'll reveal himself? Do you have any scum-3J tells to share?

I think there's a recurring theme when you play mafia where you prefer not to lynch the people you get along well with. That's normal, I'm not trying to tell you off or anything. But at the same time I think you need to be more mindful that we only get so much time in a game and we can't spend it protecting the people we like.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong about you.

Putting his usefulness if he's a civilian aside, do you actually think he is a civilian?

Au contraire, my dear Quin! In Mafia as in life, it is critically important to protect those assets that we value and hold most dear. I am surprised that (from your comment) it appears that you don’t agree? And no, you oughtn’t ‘tell me off’ for holding a point of view that is entirely valid. And yes, I do believe Jay to be a civilian - I wouldn’t have said what I did about him if I didn’t.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pmI'm Town btw.

You know, I think I believe you...

Should we not just lynch all the Slytherins first since they'll probably end up evil if they aren't already?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:00 pm Should we not just lynch all the Slytherins first since they'll probably end up evil if they aren't already?

Mind your tongue, Zeye.

*sneers*

If you have the elder wand, raise your hand kthx.

I can’t remember who said it (Quin?) but on my drive home I couldn’t escape the post where someone said Jay looked like he was doing Jay things, but it felt fake and insincere. It was in reference to the juliets brouhaha. I can try and quote it later, but I’m putting my vote there today.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:04 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:00 pm Should we not just lynch all the Slytherins first since they'll probably end up evil if they aren't already?

Mind your tongue, Zeye.

*sneers*

Don't mind me, I'm just jealous I got drafted into the boring House.

Hi everyone -

Could someone tell me what it is about Long Con that is landing him so many votes? I scanned back through the thread but nothing jumped out at me, but I feel like there must be something big I'm missing.

I tend to believe that Owner did get confused about the Dark Arts and Deathly Hallows. There is a lot of content in the set-up and I know I can't remember it all.

I already mentioned I was civ in the thread in a more normal context but I don't mind saying it again - I am civ or if you prefer, I am town.

I am toying with the idea of voting for Jay for what he said in the post where he voted for Quin. It just seemed to lack normal logic or something and I don't think of that as a civ Jay trait. I'll re-read him when I come back.

Be back later.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:05 pm If you have the elder wand, raise your hand kthx.

Be hilarious if this game follows the movie continuity and whoever has the wand just has its snapped fragments.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:29 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:29 am
I think I associate Dark Arts with Deathly Hallows as they are relatively both dark things. Or in my mind, both relate to the one who isn't to be named. The Deathly Hallows wouldn't exist without the dark arts I think.

It's like when I say scum. When I think of scum, I think both mafia and 3p (third party) are scum. Some sites like NF have taught me sometimes indies aren't scum.

This strikes me as odd because the Hallows themselves aren't evil. They're associated with Death, and trying to cheat Death in various ways. Good people don't want to die either. The Resurrection Stone was also just supposed to bring back people's loved ones, nothing remotely bad about that. We have seven books worth of the Invisibility Cloak being used for good, and the Elder Wand just obeys power. Those two could be used for evil or for good, depending on who had them. Voldemort wanted them as weapons because he was evil, not because they were.

HE SAID THE NAME

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:14 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:29 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:29 am
I think I associate Dark Arts with Deathly Hallows as they are relatively both dark things. Or in my mind, both relate to the one who isn't to be named. The Deathly Hallows wouldn't exist without the dark arts I think.

It's like when I say scum. When I think of scum, I think both mafia and 3p (third party) are scum. Some sites like NF have taught me sometimes indies aren't scum.

This strikes me as odd because the Hallows themselves aren't evil. They're associated with Death, and trying to cheat Death in various ways. Good people don't want to die either. The Resurrection Stone was also just supposed to bring back people's loved ones, nothing remotely bad about that. We have seven books worth of the Invisibility Cloak being used for good, and the Elder Wand just obeys power. Those two could be used for evil or for good, depending on who had them. Voldemort wanted them as weapons because he was evil, not because they were.

HE SAID THE NAME

What name? Voldemort? I'm not afraid of some dead guy.

"Not all Slytherin's are Dark Wizards, but every Dark Wizard has been a Slytherin"

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:17 pm "Not all Slytherin's are Dark Wizards, but every Dark Wizard has been a Slytherin"

Wormtail was a Gryffindor.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:21 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:17 pm "Not all Slytherin's are Dark Wizards, but every Dark Wizard has been a Slytherin"

Wormtail was a Gryffindor.

Even the dark wizards refused to accept Wormtail

Ok, this is the post:

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm Alright, I'm now caught up.

Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.

Hey gang! I have two votes now, LOL.

HAH HAH.

LOL.

Anyway I have no time to read or do anything; I’m at a Pittsburgh conference. Did I already say that? Dunno.

RIP my meta 5ever

Someone tag me and give me a convincing argument for a vote and I may follow you, assuming I get a chance to check in.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:04 pm Hey gang! I have two votes now, LOL.

HAH HAH.

LOL.

Anyway I have no time to read or do anything; I’m at a Pittsburgh conference. Did I already say that? Dunno.

RIP my meta 5ever

Someone tag me and give me a convincing argument for a vote and I may follow you, assuming I get a chance to check in.

You said "5ever." It's a lock scum lynch.


jk, I'm not even voting for you.........yet

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:37 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:21 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:17 pm "Not all Slytherin's are Dark Wizards, but every Dark Wizard has been a Slytherin"

Wormtail was a Gryffindor.

Even the dark wizards refused to accept Wormtail

Still betrayed all his closest friends for the Dark Lord's cause and played a crucial role in restoring Voldy to full power. Seems pretty Dark to me. The man was a coward, motivated only by fear and self-preservation. I always saw him as being the opposite end of the scale from Snape.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:39 pm But like otherwise, I’d have LC’s deathly hallow if he had one.

What? You dirty son of a bitch. I don't even have a Hallow so screw you!

Help the Civs!

Jay looks pretty guilty in his last post, I'm ready to string him up

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:04 pm Hey gang! I have two votes now, LOL.

HAH HAH.

LOL.

Anyway I have no time to read or do anything; I’m at a Pittsburgh conference. Did I already say that? Dunno.

RIP my meta 5ever

Someone tag me and give me a convincing argument for a vote and I may follow you, assuming I get a chance to check in.

What is this some sort of breakdown?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:04 pm Hey gang! I have two votes now, LOL.

HAH HAH.

LOL.

Anyway I have no time to read or do anything; I’m at a Pittsburgh conference. Did I already say that? Dunno.

RIP my meta 5ever

Someone tag me and give me a convincing argument for a vote and I may follow you, assuming I get a chance to check in.

What is this some sort of breakdown?

Yeah, tbh it's happened before/more and more in recent months and I don't really think it's alignment indicative

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:05 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:04 pm Hey gang! I have two votes now, LOL.

HAH HAH.

LOL.

Anyway I have no time to read or do anything; I’m at a Pittsburgh conference. Did I already say that? Dunno.

RIP my meta 5ever

Someone tag me and give me a convincing argument for a vote and I may follow you, assuming I get a chance to check in.

What is this some sort of breakdown?

Yeah, tbh it's happened before/more and more in recent months and I don't really think it's alignment indicative

Really? Geez, poor guy.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:58 pm Ok, this is the post:

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm Alright, I'm now caught up.

Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.

I don't recall inh getting so direct and on point early like this, but thank you for calling attention to this post. It mirrors what I was wondering about owner but i also dig the jjj thoughts as well, as I'm going to be relying on people's familiarity with styles, at least early on.

[mention]karavalenge[/mention] a bit too aware of your image, no? How many games have you played before this one?

Done re-reading. Nothing odd from what I see of Juliet-Epi-Quin interaction.
[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] you moved your vote from Quin to LongCon, what's your read on Quin now?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:52 pm Jay looks pretty guilty in his last post, I'm ready to string him up

This feels like the most anti-Town post I’ve read so far... I really don’t like these two early wagons (Jay and LC). I see no case against either of them.

...

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:37 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:15 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:37 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:10 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:28 am Less than zero interest in lynching Jay...

This seems to be a recurring theme with you. Why?

I’m not sure what you mean by this remark, Quin? My personal view is that Jay is a fellow of superior intellect and capable of analysis far beyond that of mere mortals. On that basis, if he’s Town, I’d much prefer him on our side. If by some fluke he’s bad, he’ll reveal himself later down the track. I think he’s far more useful to us alive.

If you were by some chance referring to my last game here with Golden, I’ll confess - I do so wish he was playing this game. It would make my decision here infinitely easier.

Sure. On that same basis, if he's bad, I'd much prefer him dead. How do you think he'll reveal himself? Do you have any scum-3J tells to share?

I think there's a recurring theme when you play mafia where you prefer not to lynch the people you get along well with. That's normal, I'm not trying to tell you off or anything. But at the same time I think you need to be more mindful that we only get so much time in a game and we can't spend it protecting the people we like.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong about you.

Putting his usefulness if he's a civilian aside, do you actually think he is a civilian?

I wish I had meta on you. I can read this post both ways, but part me, kind of wants to read you town for it. Could Glorfindel be with jay? Or enjoys playing with friends thing?

My town meta is "Wrongfully call out four scumslips, get overly full of myself and lose the game for the civilians."

My mafia meta is "Wrongfully call out six scumslips, get overly full of myself and get voted best mafioso 2k16."

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:19 pm We should make everyone say "I am scum" instead

I am scum.

karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:26 pm Can we use it to make a statement that we don't know if it's true or false?

Like: There are a Prime Number of Death Eaters in Gryffindor.

If it is false, then there's either 4, 6 (Which is unlikely) or 0. If it is true, then there's 1, 2, 3, or 5.

I don't think this works. At least in my mind, a lie detector shouldn't be able to respond to things the speaker isn't aware of himself.

But if scum were to say it

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:44 pm I’m a little sketched by the protests here. Like, obviously it’s not going to win the game on D1 and if you don’t give a shit then don’t do it, but this is almost anti-town.

Slight scum read on timmer. Participates while discouraging the whole thing to minimise the chance he'll have his post checked.

So if someone's getting veritaserum, let it be timmer.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:51 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:44 pm Also, what's a Player Salad? This terminology is new to me.

It's new to everyone.

A few games ago, we found a new scumtell. Scum players, in order to look productive, throw out some reads on other players. Not everyone, but also nobody specific. Nothing substantial, and little to follow up on. Just some light poking at some of the names in the thread, in a way that looks like it's generating content.

Something similar to that. I haven't seen it defined that well, but we've caught scum with it.

The smattering of player reads without substance was coined as 'player salad' by someone.

I also think we've forgotten the definition of player salad over time.