Dogs vs. Cats [END]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Long Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.

[nutella]

Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Dafuq is this

Rej/LC w/w?

[VOTE: rej] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

tomorow morning like i already said

This day phase ends in 12 minutes.

[nutella]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Oh or that I guess.

[Long Con]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Long Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.

Where did I encourage the Rej wagon?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Long Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.

Where did I encourage the Rej wagon?

Rej said the gamble thing which you just pooped on.

[nutella]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

No.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

....eh?

[nutella]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Long Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.

hmmmmmmm

[nutella]

ok [VOTE: long con] aubergine

[Rej]

don't let me be dayoned three times in a row

I like JJJs enthusiasm to throw off votes like I did in the game on TB where I go dayoned as VT

[Michelle]

Also about Rej, he pinged me to see me posting. This is not a scum behaviour and that post, the first i've read, sounded okay. Not a Rej scum read yet either. Ftr anytime i was villager i could read him and he knows it. Scum Rej would not @ me.

Do you have a past with Rej or is this just commenting on general scum behavior, with Rej trying to further conversation instead of letting you stay quiet?

yes. we played few games on my homesite and his homesite. He is a very intuitive and good reader when he's villager. This is not pocketing i saw him as host and i was impressed

[Long Con]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Long Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.

Where did I encourage the Rej wagon?

Rej said the gamble thing which you just pooped on.

Oh, that was Rej? I was kind of skimming.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Long Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.

Where did I encourage the Rej wagon?

Rej said the gamble thing which you just pooped on.

Oh, that was Rej? I was kind of skimming.

Clearly.

[Long Con]

I'll vote Rej.

[Michelle]

tomorow morning like i already said

This day phase ends in 12 minutes.

i am an idiot then.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll vote Rej.

What is Dragomir's alignment?

[novaselinenever]

Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Why not Dragomir? You had a case for him more than Long Con and you call it a gamble for LC so that means you're unsure of him right?

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.

What is the concern there? Reads to me like someone who thinks two persons aren't team-compatible with how they interacted with each other.

Well sure, that's the message they were conveying. The concern I have is that it doesn't actually amount to a read on either of us. If Dragomir is town, I can be mafia. If Dragomir is mafia, I can be town. Or we can both be town. Okay? Pick one. It leaves a lot of avenues open.

Perhaps I've said it wrong. I just didn't think you guys were both cats if the event Dragomir flips scum.

cuz I hold respect for Dragomir and he was proactive early, even if spilled some shit, he also probably isn't in the mood to do so. I would never obviously save a scummate. if Dragomir had a bad day he would tell his scum mates "yeah it is okay, just vote me, I will be fine".
#metareadsofmillenium

This doesn't make any sense. You're talking about a "gamble" when voting LC, while you've been saying that Dragomir is a scum lean. What's your case on LC?

[Rej]

I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Long Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.

Where did I encourage the Rej wagon?

Rej said the gamble thing which you just pooped on.

Oh, that was Rej? I was kind of skimming.

[Michelle]

trusting Rej i will vote with him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Rej[/mention] please say what you have against LC as quickly as possible. We're very short on time.

[Rej]

Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Why not Dragomir? You had a case for him more than Long Con and you call it a gamble for LC so that means you're unsure of him right?

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

I have mild concern about Fayt's initial conditional reading of Dragomir and I (in terms of whether we're teammates instead of whether we're dogs or cats in isolation). It's not a remotely confident read. Fayt can have another day to get acclimated with the place.

What is the concern there? Reads to me like someone who thinks two persons aren't team-compatible with how they interacted with each other.

Well sure, that's the message they were conveying. The concern I have is that it doesn't actually amount to a read on either of us. If Dragomir is town, I can be mafia. If Dragomir is mafia, I can be town. Or we can both be town. Okay? Pick one. It leaves a lot of avenues open.

Perhaps I've said it wrong. I just didn't think you guys were both cats if the event Dragomir flips scum.

cuz I hold respect for Dragomir and he was proactive early, even if spilled some shit, he also probably isn't in the mood to do so. I would never obviously save a scummate. if Dragomir had a bad day he would tell his scum mates "yeah it is okay, just vote me, I will be fine".
#metareadsofmillenium

This doesn't make any sense. You're talking about a "gamble" when voting LC, while you've been saying that Dragomir is a scum lean. What's your case on LC?

Long Con just gave fuel to Dragos lynch and to my Wagon. He is like a literally Arsonist, the way he played this DP.
Now make your own read about Long Con

[Rej]

@Rej please say what you have against LC as quickly as possible. We're very short on time.

He is a fucking Arsonist

[Michelle]

didn't notice the Sod moment amd i thought ot was at 6 pm my hour like Sod 0.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll vote Rej.

Do you find Rej suspicious?

[Long Con]

I don't think I'm an arsonist. I just vote for who I think is suspicious. Dragomir is still suspicious to me. Rej as well. I've said why.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rej could have saved himself all day by voting Dragomir. Instead he opted to push this Long Con wagon, which until three minutes ago was an unlikely enterprise for survival.

[Long Con]

Maybe we're all Civ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think I'm an arsonist. I just vote for who I think is suspicious. Dragomir is still suspicious to me. Rej as well. I've said why.

Self-preservation not relevant?

[Long Con]

Rej could have saved himself all day by voting Dragomir. Instead he opted to push this Long Con wagon, which until three minutes ago was an unlikely enterprise for survival.

I think the Long Con lynch has been a good possibility for much longer than that. Rej doesn't savee himself by voting Dragomir yesterday, he saves himself by voting now.

[Long Con]

I don't think I'm an arsonist. I just vote for who I think is suspicious. Dragomir is still suspicious to me. Rej as well. I've said why.

Self-preservation not relevant?

Obviously relevant.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

k well we'll see.

[Rej]

Hope the softvoter was on me.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Good Dogs

- Did we... just lynch a baddie? On Day 1?
- Of course we did. It's because we are the Dog Faction! Humanity's best friend. Dogs are invincible!
- Don't count on a victory yet. Cats always find a way to win.

Rej (Siamese) was lynched.

Night 1 Begins!

You have 23 hours to send your actions.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Day 1

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Posting to bump this thread.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

One Less Gentle Giant

St. Bernard (Turnip Head) was killed.

Day 2 Begins

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and Dom

Rej

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Do you always use mobile, Rej?

no right now I am on desktop (home), but I often read posts at work (mobile) and sometimes I need to interact during work
why do you ask?

Blank chatter, don't care.

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I think more ISO on Mac is not needed. I wanna look into Dom vs Drago but first I will play Overwatch with a friend. So I will still track you guys until EoD.

No need for Dom ISO, that guy looks pretty townish since he became active in the Drago suspicion train.
But I ask myself if @Dom has some other reads, like some read on Mac (bringing back Mac because I think Dom was asked about Mac before and he had no read about him back then).

Rej stood in Dom's camp here (albeit with the little "But I ask" addendum at the end, doesn't mean a lot to me). That Rej specifically declared an intention to ISO Dom and then came back saying he didn't feel the need anymore, Dom just looks townish -- I think that is a decent look for Dom. If a mafioso is trying to prop up a teammate, I kind of doubt it takes this shape. Instead of projecting an ISO and then saying nevermind, they just produce the ISO (or some concrete post) and provide evidence to support the town read.

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Dom

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Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

eye have missed u friend

i also like half of this post a whole lot.

Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

Super weak reason against one. "I don't understand the case" is not at all alignment indicative and can be said by anyone regardless of alignment. Like how could you use that as a scum tell? I don't get it.

bullsuit
yeah it CAN be.
I think rej has no intentions of understanding the case though.

Context clues suggest that Dom is referring to TH's Rej mafia read with "half of this post". He expands on that himself; the stance is distinctly anti-Rej.

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JJJ and Mac look worser than before.
Fayt is ok.
Epi is also ok.

y tho

Further prodding.

~~~

Conclusion: What exists here is mostly in Dom's favor I think, if not necessarily substantive. One issue that Dom should speak to lies with his vote, which remained on Dragomir as he made his vocal motions against Rej. Dom's last post was about 6 hours before the deadline, so keep in mind that he wasn't around for the late developments.

Gun to my head, he's a dog.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and Dragomir


Rej

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I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Mac is looking OK

There was a thing with Sprityo and Michelle that bothered me. They just quoted each other and then dropped the D0 fluffing. It gave me a "picky" vibe.
I really wait for @sprityo and @Michelle post to deduct further about their alignment in the game.

Again about the above tizzy I feel like JJJ is town. It fits with his previous townplay of engagin agressively to collect as much data as possible from something, I like it and I wanna see more of it through the course of the game!

I am too tired to read a wolf in Drago or novas, in best case I want them to be town with us.

I will go sleep now, I hope I won't have to catch up that much pages when I am at work after I woke up.

We start with the obvious post. This screams that Dragomir is a dog. Rej said nothing about him at all during the earliest portion of the game while many of us were hounding Dragomir. Eventually he interjected with this thing, and it's particularly the "a bit forced by JJJ and nova" thing that gives it away I think. Rej was pre-emptively distancing himself from an errant mislynch wagon and setting up blame for nova and I. More of that.

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Dragomir we must be the best mafia players on earth when people always try to get us dayoned.

Yare yare I come and I have to catch up as fuck on mobile.



Ok switch in scenes: I am sitting on the toilette and have time now:
@JaggedJimmyJay I was neither civ nor scum reading Dragomir. Until you bring me a vital slip I wont scumread Dragomir that easily simple as that. Get used it.

Back to JJJ : I feel you are way too agressive to get a clear civ read from me. I dont know how scum profits from this but we got 2 fast wagons started up. And I feel town does not profit from these wagons. We still have time and need to wait for some replies.

So I have 3 votes on me. And I threw soft suspicion on Michelle and Sprityo. I feel like scum is voting me up in hope that my wagon becomes stronger EoD when others join up to generate an easy mislynch.

I will revisit novas post brb.

Buddy up on the basis of Day 1 pressure and establish a pocket. Still good for Dragomir.

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First:

The Dragomir case

Dragomir imho really plays off, I agree once to novas point that Dragomir is basically powering through. Drago comes off a bit offminded (if that's a word). I used so many off's sometimes I could think of an "uff". Drago only dared to counterpush JJJ and even when I placed a vote on JJJ Drago did not try to safe his ass. Some points that make it hard for me to read Drago, and if he is town he often gets himself read easily. That's also why Dragomir sometimes is a good N1 kill if there is no protection around him.

All in all Dragomir feels like he is hiding something, could also be anything tbh. He is unclear to me and indeed partially scummy for my taste.

@JaggedJimmyJay
this is my first answer to you and bringing forward my concern about Dragomir to Dragomir, so he can imply these points in his defense.

I also don't know anything about Long Con in this case. Dragomir likes to attack randomly.

About you, I was a bit harsh on you and since I don't know your scumplay I am cautious about everything, but I think we are fine if we decide to move on and expand our reads at that point.


about Mac, I must honestly say he started off as civillian and keeps it. He has a strong opinion and underlines it, even if shortly and he makes it hard to read him deeper, but only on a superficial point of view. He is buddying Fayt against Dragomir and me.

I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol

Sup Starlight

We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.

So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.

Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.

Fake. Super fake. Fayt is bad.

"I do lean scum on him". She is emphasising "I do" as opposed to just "I lean". She is responding someone who does not. There is only one person who has actively said that they do not and that is Rej. This is consequentially distancing of Rej.

The second paragraph spews both Jay and Drago as town.

This for example is literal stuff, like almost philosophy about grammar and it's true meaning behind it. I mean wtf at this point. Maybe I am to noobish for this shit, but I clearly didn't distance myself. I rather tried to engage and find something out for myself.
Like right now. You dissect Fayts wording, at this point it wasn't really needed but you used it to push Dragomir.

Okay either Drago is scum and you did a lucky push against Dragomir, coordinated with @Fayt. Or you are scum that really searched for an asspull to push Dragomir and help building a wagon on him.

I don't know what to think because of your generall strong towny appeareance...but I feel there was something off in your play or just very well coordinated.

I think more ISO on Mac is not needed. I wanna look into Dom vs Drago but first I will play Overwatch with a friend. So I will still track you guys until EoD.

When Rej himself began to take more heat, he 180ed his take on Dragomir. He needed that counterwagon to survive, as he believed at the time, and reverted to it. Good for Dragomir.

I'm going to skip some things. The trend is clear.

~~~

Dragomir

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Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

Why? What about it strikes as TMI?

Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

Super weak reason against one. "I don't understand the case" is not at all alignment indicative and can be said by anyone regardless of alignment. Like how could you use that as a scum tell? I don't get it.

Dragomir's initial response to the heat on Rej was to defend him. I am not especially bothered here given the specific nature of the accusation. The "I don't understand the case" angle that Turnip Head first brought out is one that seems at face value simplistic and perhaps unfounded without a better understanding of TH himself and the genuine capacity to collect mafia hits on the basis of linguistic cues. Dragomir is the type to truly find this perplexing, wrong as he may have been.

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I can’t read this right now I promise I will in the morning
I’m not looking forward to another day 1 Rej vs Drago fight

Rej and I haven't even interacted bro.

Brazen display if a teammate. Shrug.

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Rej, why is Dragomir a civilian?

Dragomir, why is Rej a civilian?

I don't know how to articulate it my thought on him.

Alright, seriously. Let's sit down and have a heart-to-heart right now. Posts like this cannot continue to happen if you're a civilian -- they are going to continue to get you into trouble and eventually it will get you lynched.

If you genuinely don't know how to articulate it, that's okay. You're human. However, you need to try to do it anyway. There must be something about Rej, whether in his tone, or a specific thing in a post he made, or in his voting behavior -- something that gives you the confidence to vote for someone other than him. His lynch is your best chance at survival, and you're not going that direction. That's important, and it will really help the field to interpret your play if you can try to explain what's in your head.

Ok, give me a minute. I feel like I just got lectured by my dad.

This right here is why JaggedJimmyJay gives fatherly lectures. Dragomir pledged to try to articulate some undefined read on Rej and never did. At face value, that's not great. I am not inclined to string Dragomir up for this, but he'll need to answer for it anyway.

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Conclusion: Overall, I doubt Dragomir was Rej's teammate. Rej's own posts speak more loudly to that than Dragomir's do.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and Epignosis

Rej

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JJJ and Mac look worser than before.
Fayt is ok.
Epi is also ok.

Okay.

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wait, Epignosis is also playing?

just looked at Long Con. He went like -> interaction with JJJ/push against Dragomir -> distancing(?)
Long Con did you distance yourself there?

Small point, but I think comments like this are more likely to be jabs at lower contributors with intent to capitalize (i.e. decent look for Epignosis).

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Epignosis

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Dom- Good
Dragomir- Bad
Fayt - No opinion
JJJ- Fine
Long Con - No opinion
Mac - Good
Michelle - Good
nova - Good
nutella - Good
Rej - I'm going to have to revisit this one.
speedchuck - Conflicting views here. Having met speedchuck in person has made me reevaluate how I consider his posts. I have to think on him too.
sprityo - Who?
TSP - No opinion
Turnip Head - Bad

That's where I am.

Do dogs drink beer? I don't know. Never had one. I'm drinking lots of beer. I had a cat once that drank beer. I'm not making that up. Tunces loved Killian's.

I believe Epi needed to revisit his teammate TSP in Persona 5 too.

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Can drago and Rej both be bad?

Three votes on Dragomir. Three votes on Rej.

You are asking this question but you aren't voting for either one. Bad.

Indirectly relevant. Epignosis was aware of Rej, but I've no evidence of anything beyond awareness.

~~~

Conclusion: Epignosis was gone for most of the late portion of the phase, so he couldn't impact any of that drama. Overall I would anticipate that Epi would do something with his teammate. Even in Persona 5 after saying he'd need to revisit TSP, he did so and provided a civilian read. In this case the read on Rej remained blank. I cannot award considerable credit for that, but at the least I don't think it hurts Epi's standing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and Fayt

Rej

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JJJ and Mac look worser than before.
Fayt is ok.
Epi is also ok.

Okay. By this point Fayt had made four posts, two of which were of substance -- this clarifies from a random "ok" read on someone with one empty post or somate.

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First:

The Dragomir case

Dragomir imho really plays off, I agree once to novas point that Dragomir is basically powering through. Drago comes off a bit offminded (if that's a word). I used so many off's sometimes I could think of an "uff". Drago only dared to counterpush JJJ and even when I placed a vote on JJJ Drago did not try to safe his ass. Some points that make it hard for me to read Drago, and if he is town he often gets himself read easily. That's also why Dragomir sometimes is a good N1 kill if there is no protection around him.

All in all Dragomir feels like he is hiding something, could also be anything tbh. He is unclear to me and indeed partially scummy for my taste.

JaggedJimmyJay
this is my first answer to you and bringing forward my concern about Dragomir to Dragomir, so he can imply these points in his defense.

I also don't know anything about Long Con in this case. Dragomir likes to attack randomly.

About you, I was a bit harsh on you and since I don't know your scumplay I am cautious about everything, but I think we are fine if we decide to move on and expand our reads at that point.


about Mac, I must honestly say he started off as civillian and keeps it. He has a strong opinion and underlines it, even if shortly and he makes it hard to read him deeper, but only on a superficial point of view. He is buddying Fayt against Dragomir and me.

I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol

Sup Starlight

We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.

So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.

Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.

Fake. Super fake. Fayt is bad.

"I do lean scum on him". She is emphasising "I do" as opposed to just "I lean". She is responding someone who does not. There is only one person who has actively said that they do not and that is Rej. This is consequentially distancing of Rej.

The second paragraph spews both Jay and Drago as town.

This for example is literal stuff, like almost philosophy about grammar and it's true meaning behind it. I mean wtf at this point. Maybe I am to noobish for this shit, but I clearly didn't distance myself. I rather tried to engage and find something out for myself.
Like right now. You dissect Fayts wording, at this point it wasn't really needed but you used it to push Dragomir.

Okay either Drago is scum and you did a lucky push against Dragomir, coordinated with Fayt. Or you are scum that really searched for an asspull to push Dragomir and help building a wagon on him.

I don't know what to think because of your generall strong towny appeareance...but I feel there was something off in your play or just very well coordinated.

I think more ISO on Mac is not needed. I wanna look into Dom vs Drago but first I will play Overwatch with a friend. So I will still track you guys until EoD.

Rej posts like this one confuse me even now after his death, so I welcome all interpretations. The first highlight there shows Rej accusing Mac of buddying Fayt -- an accusation which only lands if Fayt is a civilian. This can have the dual function of gaining Fayt's support and lessening the influence of Mac (one of his accusers).

The second highlight instead paints Fayt as a potential coordinator which Mac, based upon some premise that is not readily clear to me. This is likely all spam meant to take the place of reads, and I am not inclined to judge Fayt on the basis of the second thing.

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OOOOOOOOOOOH, I didn't knew what "spew" means until I read your explanations below. Omg thanks, now I can read the situation better.
This is my bad and a new interaction I should consider.

As for nutella I don't find any scum tells or scummy approaches by her towards some other player.
Now I think Mac and Fayt are getting more interesting for me.

I can't get more reads at this point as I rely on Sprityo and Michelles reads.

I will look at Long Con and then I looked at everyone.

No need for Dom ISO, that guy looks pretty townish since he became active in the Drago suspicion train.
But I ask myself if @Dom has some other reads, like some read on Mac (bringing back Mac because I think Dom was asked about Mac before and he had no read about him back then).

For the third time, Fayt is mentioned only when tacked alongside Mac. The consistency of this is a bit bothersome to me. A trend emerges in which Rej ties Mac to Fayt, which can be profitable to his team if either of them is lynched (assuming the link is not both of his teammates). If Fayt is lynched and flips mafia, Rej has set up Mac for an accusation. If Mac is lynched and flips civilian, it clears Fayt of this connection. In that regard I see room for trouble.

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Fayt

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English might not be my best suit but I was just only responding to JJJ. It's a bit of a reach to say that I'm distancing from Rej off of that because I said I do lean rather than I lean when both mean the same thing. There's someone else who also said Dragomir is town so it's not just only Rej. As far as Rej is concerned, I have a scum lean on him too.

As for the second paragraph, I'm thinking of possibilities, I still find Dragomir scummy but I could always be wrong.

~snip~

Not too sold on him. Wondered why on the LC name drop then calls me fake without elaborating or explaining why he thinks of LC as bad despite not liking to do first impressions, his trolling seems genuine but his defense afterwards felt weak to me and he held a soft defense on Rej and vice versa.

Mac may have made a pretty brilliant catch here. Mac had asserted, based upon a somewhat ~out there~ (at least by surface appearance), that Fayt had distanced herself from Rej in her language against Dragomir. Then when faced with this accusation, she rejected the assertion and the logic underlying it -- but still voiced suspicion of Rej. Highlighted.

Then view the next portion, from the same post. Fayt gave Dragomir more crap, and in the process they insinuated that he and Rej had been soft-defending one another. They forced a link between the two, and it smells like a setup to me.

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After seeing this as his town play under pressure, I feel the case for Dragomir as scum is weaker in my head. That said, I would put him more for neutral for now. I'm not entirely too sure what dragomir is saying about having something extra for LC that's not info.

As the case for Rej, I'm not liking the no vote when he has a couple of suspects. He wants us to go back to Dragomir but doesn't want to place the vote himself. I'm not sure what to make of that.

What does "spewed" mean? nutella

Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Why not Dragomir? You had a case for him more than Long Con and you call it a gamble for LC so that means you're unsure of him right?

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

This is, to be fair, valid. The vote came 18 minutes prior to the deadline however, so I'm inclined to temper any credit. By this point if there's to be a bus then the decision has been made.

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Conclusion: I think there's a compelling argument that Fayt is Rej's teammate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and Long Con

Rej

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wait, Epignosis is also playing?

just looked at Long Con. He went like -> interaction with JJJ/push against Dragomir -> distancing(?)
Long Con did you distance yourself there?

What do you mean by "distancing" here?

there was a big time span between his last two posts, it could be possible that he gave fuel to the Drago wagon, he also keeps his vote on him and has yet to revisit the cases with new information. this is what you are supposed to do when you place votes and plan to change them.
could be that LC is busy, I also don't know his meta, could be that it's a scumtell, they way he voted and then didn't come back to anything, and he doesn't make it in time to justify probably. the Long Con lynch would be a gamble, but a gamble with justification. you understand me? xd what do you think?

also is TSP a non poster?

Did Long Con distance from himself?

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Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

This vote came a moment before I placed a late vote on Dragomir -- I was trying to bait Rej with my own vote, but as it happens he was "baited" to the Long Con wagon first. I don't see many worlds here where Long Con is not a civilian.

> Two wagons: Rej and Dragomir
> A third wagon slowly emerges: Long Con
> Rej never votes Dragomir
> Rej votes Long Con when the wagon becomes viable

Whatever Dragomir's alignment, I highly doubt Rej specifically waits for this opportunity to vote for his own teammate.

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Long Con

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I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Long Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.

Where did I encourage the Rej wagon?

Rej said the gamble thing which you just pooped on.

Oh, that was Rej? I was kind of skimming.

Long Con's skimming error here was probably real. As such, he wasn't paying close attention to the things that Rej specifically was saying. That's nice for him.

~~~

Conclusion: I doubt Long Con is teamed with Rej.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and MacDougall

Rej

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Michelle ok
JJJ ok
Novas ok
Sprityo ok
Macdougall ok

All others bad.
Sry I just start being active from work. Please tag me if something.

Also pardon me. Dunno why people always kill me or lynch me off as civillian. Yesterday I played 3 games at once. Today its just one lmao.

I will play this one with all my might and attention but today I rly need to chillax. I will allow everyone to read me as you pleasure tho.

Dont mind my gth reads I just skimmed through to have a base to work on with.

Okay.

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I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Mac is looking OK

There was a thing with Sprityo and Michelle that bothered me. They just quoted each other and then dropped the D0 fluffing. It gave me a "picky" vibe.
I really wait for sprityo and Michelle post to deduct further about their alignment in the game.

Again about the above tizzy I feel like JJJ is town. It fits with his previous townplay of engagin agressively to collect as much data as possible from something, I like it and I wanna see more of it through the course of the game!

I am too tired to read a wolf in Drago or novas, in best case I want them to be town with us.

I will go sleep now, I hope I won't have to catch up that much pages when I am at work after I woke up.

Okay.

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JJJ and Mac look worser than before.
Fayt is ok.
Epi is also ok.

So who wanna join a JJJ or Mac lynch?

Okay.

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Alternative wagons are available, but they're underwhelming by definition. I have these people:

Fayt
sprityo
TSP

I don't feel any confidence calling them civilians. They also have < 5 posts, so.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine can go ahead and answer my beefs.

what you think about Mac?

brb wallpost incomming

Yawn.

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about Mac, I must honestly say he started off as civillian and keeps it. He has a strong opinion and underlines it, even if shortly and he makes it hard to read him deeper, but only on a superficial point of view. He is buddying Fayt against Dragomir and me.

~snip~

I think more ISO on Mac is not needed. I wanna look into Dom vs Drago but first I will play Overwatch with a friend. So I will still track you guys until EoD.

Mac is both a civilian and buddying Fayt.

I think there might be some language/lingo barrier at work here. Whatever, none of this matters to me.

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Correction: Mac softpushed Dragomir by pressuring against his argumentations. The real push was on me. So he subtily pushed Dragomir and then went onwards to me. Conveniently? Or strong scum hunting play?

Standard fake hunting here. Rej's laborious effort to interpret Mac's posts every which way could be good for Mac; he has no clue what he's talking about. If Mac is in his BTSC, this confusion isn't as likely.

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OOOOOOOOOOOH, I didn't knew what "spew" means until I read your explanations below. Omg thanks, now I can read the situation better.
This is my bad and a new interaction I should consider.

As for nutella I don't find any scum tells or scummy approaches by her towards some other player.
Now I think Mac and Fayt are getting more interesting for me.

I can't get more reads at this point as I rely on Sprityo and Michelles reads.

I will look at Long Con and then I looked at everyone.

No need for Dom ISO, that guy looks pretty townish since he became active in the Drago suspicion train.
But I ask myself if @Dom has some other reads, like some read on Mac (bringing back Mac because I think Dom was asked about Mac before and he had no read about him back then).

Then this whole thing. Rej seems to be making misguided efforts to discredit and suspect one of the people opposing him in the thread -- positive for Mac.

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MacDougall

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Rej is mafia here.

Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

You linki'd me and we have the same reason too.

Looks legit.

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Agreed with concern about Rej take. Potential TMI on Dragomir.

Why? What about it strikes as TMI?

I'll answer for him. Firstly, you have been actually pretty scummy. So for Rej to defend you is TMI. Rej has no reason to feel like you have been civvy enough to question the people casing him.

Rej is taking the opportunity to gain your trust by dismissing the case as incredulous, which is invariably how you would feel as a civ. In the event of a civilian flip of you he is distanced from the case making of a bad lynch, which is where people first look for wolves (even though it's usually never that simple).

Now, onto Fayt, who we have common ground on.

Yup.

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I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol

Sup Starlight

We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.

So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.

Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.

Fake. Super fake. Fayt is bad.

"I do lean scum on him". She is emphasising "I do" as opposed to just "I lean". She is responding someone who does not. There is only one person who has actively said that they do not and that is Rej. This is consequentially distancing of Rej.

The second paragraph spews both Jay and Drago as town.

I could say here that Mac's confidence against Rej, strong enough to forge a connection between he and Fayt in this manner, is itself TMI. That feels like a reach at this point.

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Conclusion: I don't think Mac is a major candidate to be Rej's teammate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and Michelle

Rej

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Michelle ok
JJJ ok
Novas ok
Sprityo ok
Macdougall ok

All others bad.
Sry I just start being active from work. Please tag me if something.

Also pardon me. Dunno why people always kill me or lynch me off as civillian. Yesterday I played 3 games at once. Today its just one lmao.

I will play this one with all my might and attention but today I rly need to chillax. I will allow everyone to read me as you pleasure tho.

Dont mind my gth reads I just skimmed through to have a base to work on with.

Okay.

Rather random name to be listed first here.

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I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Mac is looking OK

There was a thing with Sprityo and Michelle that bothered me. They just quoted each other and then dropped the D0 fluffing. It gave me a "picky" vibe.
I really wait for sprityo and Michelle post to deduct further about their alignment in the game.

Again about the above tizzy I feel like JJJ is town. It fits with his previous townplay of engagin agressively to collect as much data as possible from something, I like it and I wanna see more of it through the course of the game!

I am too tired to read a wolf in Drago or novas, in best case I want them to be town with us.

I will go sleep now, I hope I won't have to catch up that much pages when I am at work after I woke up.

Bleh. Michelle is mentioned here in a manner which invites vague shade, but only by association to sprityo. That association is nigh meaningless, and I don't care for this.

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Oh and I gave Spirityo and Michelle an okay but this was before my eye picked the real possible intention of fluffdropping there.

Rej felt the need to jump back and qualify this. "Yes I said okay about them before, but but but" -- Kinda yuck.

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@Dragomir we must be the best mafia players on earth when people always try to get us dayoned.

Yare yare I come and I have to catch up as fuck on mobile.



Ok switch in scenes: I am sitting on the toilette and have time now:
@JaggedJimmyJay I was neither civ nor scum reading Dragomir. Until you bring me a vital slip I wont scumread Dragomir that easily simple as that. Get used it.

Back to JJJ : I feel you are way too agressive to get a clear civ read from me. I dont know how scum profits from this but we got 2 fast wagons started up. And I feel town does not profit from these wagons. We still have time and need to wait for some replies.

So I have 3 votes on me. And I threw soft suspicion on Michelle and Sprityo. I feel like scum is voting me up in hope that my wagon becomes stronger EoD when others join up to generate an easy mislynch.

I will revisit novas post brb.

The highlighed sentence is a mess. The "And I threw soft suspicion on Michelle and sprityo" thing at first looks entirely irrelevant to the premise of the rest of it -- that he has votes and those votes are opportunistic. This brings to light why that bit may be featured though. Rej wants credit for beefing with those two "softly", and moreover he wants the people voting for him to look bad by extension with respect to those two. By attacking Rej they were implicitly defending Michelle/sprityo. Another moment I don't like.

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OOOOOOOOOOOH, I didn't knew what "spew" means until I read your explanations below. Omg thanks, now I can read the situation better.
This is my bad and a new interaction I should consider.

As for nutella I don't find any scum tells or scummy approaches by her towards some other player.
Now I think Mac and Fayt are getting more interesting for me.

I can't get more reads at this point as I rely on Sprityo and Michelles reads.

I will look at Long Con and then I looked at everyone.

No need for Dom ISO, that guy looks pretty townish since he became active in the Drago suspicion train.
But I ask myself if @Dom has some other reads, like some read on Mac (bringing back Mac because I think Dom was asked about Mac before and he had no read about him back then).

Quite the wet fart at this point.

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I am torn between a pressure vote on Michelle/Sprityo and solidifying the lynch on Drago. But if I won't like the flip I will pretty much feel bad.
Another option is voting Turnip Head because I feel they haven't given enough reads this DP to read them back properly.
Turnip do you have some input on others? Votes have been moved to Speedchuck for example. I didn't like how he voted me so I question speedchuck if his vote on me is locked?


okay addition after Michelles read on me:
Michelle I would always @ you, sadly we haven't played much games fully together, I often leave in the early stages. xD
I need more reads from you tho, and I sadly know nothing about your scumplay I feel.

"torn"

"pressure vote"

Meh.

The highlighted bit would be relatively creative mafia-mafia chatter at least. That doesn't mean a lot to me, but it's something.

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Michelle

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I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Mac is looking OK

There was a thing with Sprityo and Michelle that bothered me. They just quoted each other and then dropped the D0 fluffing. It gave me a "picky" vibe.
I really wait for @sprityo and @Michelle post to deduct further about their alignment in the game.

Again about the above tizzy I feel like JJJ is town. It fits with his previous townplay of engagin agressively to collect as much data as possible from something, I like it and I wanna see more of it through the course of the game!

I am too tired to read a wolf in Drago or novas, in best case I want them to be town with us.

I will go sleep now, I hope I won't have to catch up that much pages when I am at work after I woke up.

Sorry about inactivity i was coming back from vacation and had a hard day. Going to catch up asap and @ you with reads.

This exists.

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Can someone tell me what's up before i start reading? Is close to my sleep hour and i would prefere direct interaction.

Dragomir and Rej are currently the lead wagons, as you can see. You could start by assessing each of them.

Dragomir
Rej

Decide how you feel. If you'd prefer to vote neither, indicate someone you suspect in their stead.

Also about Rej, he pinged me to see me posting. This is not a scum behaviour and that post, the first i've read, sounded okay. Not a Rej scum read yet either. Ftr anytime i was villager i could read him and he knows it. Scum Rej would not @ me.

Welp this is an egg-on-face post. It happens to the best of us. I don't care for it though. An "@" is an extremely frivolous reason to exonerate a player.

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Also about Rej, he pinged me to see me posting. This is not a scum behaviour and that post, the first i've read, sounded okay. Not a Rej scum read yet either. Ftr anytime i was villager i could read him and he knows it. Scum Rej would not @ me.

Do you have a past with Rej or is this just commenting on general scum behavior, with Rej trying to further conversation instead of letting you stay quiet?

yes. we played few games on my homesite and his homesite. He is a very intuitive and good reader when he's villager. This is not pocketing i saw him as host and i was impressed

Eh.

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trusting Rej i will vote with him.

This is at least quite brazen -- it came 6 minutes prior to the deadline and helped to make the Long Con wagon a viable counter. By the numbers it's bad. By tone I actually don't find myself that disturbed.

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Conclusion: Michelle has a lot to answer for. It's not difficult to see her as a cat. I am not completely convinced of this, but she's certainly a suspect.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and novaselinenever

Rej

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stop

Stop what?

the gif with the dog licking the asshole urgh, I almost puked, but it still was...cute

oh I like this GTH reads from novas, they always hit hard

anyway I will go sleep now, good night guys!

Easy read, don't really care.

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Michelle ok
JJJ ok
Novas ok
Sprityo ok
Macdougall ok

All others bad.
Sry I just start being active from work. Please tag me if something.

Also pardon me. Dunno why people always kill me or lynch me off as civillian. Yesterday I played 3 games at once. Today its just one lmao.

I will play this one with all my might and attention but today I rly need to chillax. I will allow everyone to read me as you pleasure tho.

Dont mind my gth reads I just skimmed through to have a base to work on with.

Okay.

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I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Mac is looking OK

There was a thing with Sprityo and Michelle that bothered me. They just quoted each other and then dropped the D0 fluffing. It gave me a "picky" vibe.
I really wait for sprityo and Michelle post to deduct further about their alignment in the game.

Again about the above tizzy I feel like JJJ is town. It fits with his previous townplay of engagin agressively to collect as much data as possible from something, I like it and I wanna see more of it through the course of the game!

I am too tired to read a wolf in Drago or novas, in best case I want them to be town with us.

I will go sleep now, I hope I won't have to catch up that much pages when I am at work after I woke up.

Yellow: probably a generic attempt to smear us both for our Dragomir suspicions

Orange: Translation: "I doubt I can make a good case on nova, so screw it"

Good looks.

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novaselinenever

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hello guys lets do it!

bad

Werd.

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I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Mac is looking OK

There was a thing with Sprityo and Michelle that bothered me. They just quoted each other and then dropped the D0 fluffing. It gave me a "picky" vibe.
I really wait for @sprityo and @Michelle post to deduct further about their alignment in the game.

Again about the above tizzy I feel like JJJ is town. It fits with his previous townplay of engagin agressively to collect as much data as possible from something, I like it and I wanna see more of it through the course of the game!

I am too tired to read a wolf in Drago or novas, in best case I want them to be town with us.

I will go sleep now, I hope I won't have to catch up that much pages when I am at work after I woke up.

Forced how?

Because they came too quick. Drago is easy to discuss and have a wagon formed on. Both civ and scum might know this.

Forced means that they're unnatural, so fake. How can JJJ be a town feel then?

Anyway taking the shit was crazy. But the damage done to toilette...ooof cant add gifs or memes on mobile...so sad.

Light joke to ease up the thread. Yikes.

>Anyway

lol

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

Looks legit.

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Conclusion: I don't think this stuff looks like distancing or bussing. nova is unlikely to be a cat.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and nutella

Rej

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Alternative wagons are available, but they're underwhelming by definition. I have these people:

Fayt
sprityo
TSP

I don't feel any confidence calling them civilians. They also have < 5 posts, so.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine can go ahead and answer my beefs.

what you think about Mac?

brb wallpost incomming

A bit of a deflection from my nutella vote.

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OOOOOOOOOOOH, I didn't knew what "spew" means until I read your explanations below. Omg thanks, now I can read the situation better.
This is my bad and a new interaction I should consider.

As for nutella I don't find any scum tells or scummy approaches by her towards some other player.
Now I think Mac and Fayt are getting more interesting for me.

I can't get more reads at this point as I rely on Sprityo and Michelles reads.

I will look at Long Con and then I looked at everyone.

No need for Dom ISO, that guy looks pretty townish since he became active in the Drago suspicion train.
But I ask myself if @Dom has some other reads, like some read on Mac (bringing back Mac because I think Dom was asked about Mac before and he had no read about him back then).

Civilian stance on nutella without much expansion.

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nutella

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Speed is fine. Drago not so much.

Nova is already MVP. Mindmelds all over the place.

Michelle, TH, and rej fine. Jay, LC, Mac, Dom, fayt need more data. Did I miss anyone

Fine.

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Dude literally what on earth are you talking about

You clearly did not read the same post I did lol. Mac is suspecting Fayt and implying that drago must be town bc fayt "spewed" him. I have no idea how you are getting this opposite interpretation.

I share the general confusion with what Rej was trying to say, so this resonates.

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Hmm, would scum Nutella stop pushing me or continue pressing the very likely lynch? I'm inclined to believe the latter. So right now, Nutella is in good looks.

Rej is the leading wagon, not you.

Oh right. Gonna have to rethink this then. @Nutella do you suspect Rej?

Yeah, I guess I do. I've waffled a bit and don't feel amazingly strongly about it, but I like the connection that Mac drew between him and Fayt.

Resonating again. Suspicion of Rej was easy to generate I think, but difficult to qualify and substantiate. Differentiating between "this guy straight up makes no sense" and "I don't think I am understanding the message this guy wants to convey" isn't easy. General suspicion of some sort without confidence mirrors my own feelings much of Day 1.

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Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Dafuq is this

Rej/LC w/w?

[VOTE: rej] aubergine

This foundation, the potential w/w read on LC and Rej, is an important one when assessing nutella. Her vote landed on Long Con in the end, the counterwagon, and at face value it's easy for any of us to raise and wag the index finger. She suspected both of them, and both of them in concert.

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I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

Long Con encourages the Rej wagon right along while he keeps himself cozy on the Dragomir wagon. The thing about "subconscious baddie-speak" just looks like b/s.

hmmmmmmm

ok [VOTE: long con] aubergine

Insert the egg on my own face. I don't fault nutella for following this thread, and I don't get the impression she is just jumping on board so she can shit in my Corn Flakes later about it if LC flips civilian. If she's bad it's a straight up save effort, and that's something y'all will have to assess for yourselves.

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Conclusion: By the numbers, there is a glaring reason to suspect nutella -- the Long Con vote. The same can be said of me and two other people. What is most important to me in this review is that I can follow nutella along her journey to that destination and understand it. My own journey was quite similar. Gun to my head she's not a cat.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and speedchuck

Rej

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I am torn between a pressure vote on Michelle/Sprityo and solidifying the lynch on Drago. But if I won't like the flip I will pretty much feel bad.
Another option is voting @Turnip Head because I feel they haven't given enough reads this DP to read them back properly.
Turnip do you have some input on others? Votes have been moved to Speedchuck for example. I didn't like how he voted me so I question speedchuck if his vote on me is locked?


okay addition after Michelles read on me:
@Michelle I would always @ you, sadly we haven't played much games fully together, I often leave in the early stages. xD
I need more reads from you tho, and I sadly know nothing about your scumplay I feel.

Also about Rej, he pinged me to see me posting. This is not a scum behaviour and that post, the first i've read, sounded okay. Not a Rej scum read yet either. Ftr anytime i was villager i could read him and he knows it. Scum Rej would not @ me.

Do you have a past with Rej or is this just commenting on general scum behavior, with Rej trying to further conversation instead of letting you stay quiet?

I am not good with numbers but she hosted for me and we maybe played 2 or 3 games together. I feel like they were never full games.
So she also saw me from the perspective of host.

There's not much here. One half-shade thing about one vote, and idle chatter about Michelle. Whatever.

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speedchuck

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Can drago and Rej both be bad?

I don't really mind this, frankly.

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speedchuck, why Rej?

Because not Dragomir. Dragomir's current play feels scummy, but doesn't make much sense as scumplay on further reflection.

I buy Dragomir's response to pressure better than Rej's. Rej has been on edge since the first time he was prodded.

@Rej what is your absolute favorite thing ever about sprityo in this here game thread?

Gimme a break I cant ISO posts on mobile, can I?

Felt like a disproportionate reaction, hardly worth noting at the time. But it's escalated to the point that he has a vote on you, and that read doesn't seem genuine. He's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.

Nice little touch here, I think. speedchuck voted Rej over Dragomir, and when pressed his primary reason was "because not Dragomir". If speedchuck is distancing from or bussing Rej, this isn't the clearest means of claiming that credit. Instead I find it easier to believe that speedchuck simply suspected Rej more than he suspected Dragomir. So good.

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He's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.

I agree that it's fallacious, though that's something I am thinking about. Rej has only played one game with me, and it was that one. So it makes some sense that he'd be inclined to assess me on that basis.

I saw that he'd played a couple other games, but didn't notice specifically that.

Small point in his favor. Someone approaching a game in a different way doesn't mean much unless there's a scum motive for the new approach, but Rej might not read that way

I gave speedchuck an avenue here that he could have taken to give Rej a break. speedchuck kind of softened in his words, but his vote remained planted. So I wouldn't say he took advantage of that avenue.

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Yes. I was mitigating your comment because I don't think it excuses the behavior. Meta reads are trash. And Rej just popped an 'interesting' tell a few posts ago, so that's juici. Where should I be moving?

Interesting.

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Also about Rej, he pinged me to see me posting. This is not a scum behaviour and that post, the first i've read, sounded okay. Not a Rej scum read yet either. Ftr anytime i was villager i could read him and he knows it. Scum Rej would not @ me.

Do you have a past with Rej or is this just commenting on general scum behavior, with Rej trying to further conversation instead of letting you stay quiet?

I am not good with numbers but she hosted for me and we maybe played 2 or 3 games together. I feel like they were never full games.
So she also saw me from the perspective of host.

So have I but I wasn't paying attention. And also you were 3P I think.
So she probably knows you better than I do. Her trash meta read would be better than mine.

Again when given an avenue to bail on the Rej wagon, this time from Michelle, speedchuck didn't move the vote. Cool beans.

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Conclusion: I think speedchuck looks fine.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and sprityo

Rej

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Michelle ok
JJJ ok
Novas ok
Sprityo ok
Macdougall ok

All others bad.
Sry I just start being active from work. Please tag me if something.

Also pardon me. Dunno why people always kill me or lynch me off as civillian. Yesterday I played 3 games at once. Today its just one lmao.

I will play this one with all my might and attention but today I rly need to chillax. I will allow everyone to read me as you pleasure tho.

Dont mind my gth reads I just skimmed through to have a base to work on with.

Okay.

sprityo is another standout name on this list. At no point in this game has he done anything. Rej included him anyway with a positive grade.

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@Rej what is your absolute favorite thing ever about sprityo in this here game thread?

Gimme a break I cant ISO posts on mobile, can I?

Anyway its first impression, besides fluff they show a readyness to set a vote or move a vote as seen when approached Michelle.
All in all Sprityo seems like one who tries to bait other players with fluff posts.
Gutfeeling is good. I didnt saw a low ammount of posts comming from them either when skimmed through.

Why do you see them as cat?

I prodded Rej about that. This was his response. It's a bunch of goofy fake stuff and means little to me to make sprityo look better or worse.

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I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Mac is looking OK

There was a thing with Sprityo and Michelle that bothered me. They just quoted each other and then dropped the D0 fluffing. It gave me a "picky" vibe.
I really wait for sprityo and Michelle post to deduct further about their alignment in the game.

Again about the above tizzy I feel like JJJ is town. It fits with his previous townplay of engagin agressively to collect as much data as possible from something, I like it and I wanna see more of it through the course of the game!

I am too tired to read a wolf in Drago or novas, in best case I want them to be town with us.

I will go sleep now, I hope I won't have to catch up that much pages when I am at work after I woke up.

I return to this thing, where Rej hooks Michelle and sprityo together for pretty much no reason. I don't care for it for the same reasons I didn't care for it in the Michelle review. I think there's a better-than-random chance one of the two is a teammate.

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@Dragomir we must be the best mafia players on earth when people always try to get us dayoned.

Yare yare I come and I have to catch up as fuck on mobile.



Ok switch in scenes: I am sitting on the toilette and have time now:
@JaggedJimmyJay I was neither civ nor scum reading Dragomir. Until you bring me a vital slip I wont scumread Dragomir that easily simple as that. Get used it.

Back to JJJ : I feel you are way too agressive to get a clear civ read from me. I dont know how scum profits from this but we got 2 fast wagons started up. And I feel town does not profit from these wagons. We still have time and need to wait for some replies.

So I have 3 votes on me. And I threw soft suspicion on Michelle and Sprityo. I feel like scum is voting me up in hope that my wagon becomes stronger EoD when others join up to generate an easy mislynch.

I will revisit novas post brb.

Again, same deal. Refer to the Michelle review for details.

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OOOOOOOOOOOH, I didn't knew what "spew" means until I read your explanations below. Omg thanks, now I can read the situation better.
This is my bad and a new interaction I should consider.

As for nutella I don't find any scum tells or scummy approaches by her towards some other player.
Now I think Mac and Fayt are getting more interesting for me.

I can't get more reads at this point as I rely on Sprityo and Michelles reads.

I will look at Long Con and then I looked at everyone.

No need for Dom ISO, that guy looks pretty townish since he became active in the Drago suspicion train.
But I ask myself if Dom has some other reads, like some read on Mac (bringing back Mac because I think Dom was asked about Mac before and he had no read about him back then).

I am torn between a pressure vote on Michelle/Sprityo and solidifying the lynch on Drago. But if I won't like the flip I will pretty much feel bad.
Another option is voting @Turnip Head because I feel they haven't given enough reads this DP to read them back properly.
Turnip do you have some input on others? Votes have been moved to Speedchuck for example. I didn't like how he voted me so I question @speedchuck if his vote on me is locked?


okay addition after Michelles read on me:
Michelle I would always @ you, sadly we haven't played much games fully together, I often leave in the early stages. xD
I need more reads from you tho, and I sadly know nothing about your scumplay I feel.

They are mentioned together in nearly every instance.

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sprityo

Nothing.

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Conclusion: sprityo is a viable candidate to be a cat.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I clicked to unlock the thread but it didn't work for some reason. That's why only Jay is posting. APologies.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions: Rej and TonyStarkPrime

Rej

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wait, Epignosis is also playing?

just looked at Long Con. He went like -> interaction with JJJ/push against Dragomir -> distancing(?)
Long Con did you distance yourself there?

What do you mean by "distancing" here?

there was a big time span between his last two posts, it could be possible that he gave fuel to the Drago wagon, he also keeps his vote on him and has yet to revisit the cases with new information. this is what you are supposed to do when you place votes and plan to change them.
could be that LC is busy, I also don't know his meta, could be that it's a scumtell, they way he voted and then didn't come back to anything, and he doesn't make it in time to justify probably. the Long Con lynch would be a gamble, but a gamble with justification. you understand me? xd what do you think?

also is TSP a non poster?

Pretty much.

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I can’t read this right now I promise I will in the morning
I’m not looking forward to another day 1 Rej vs Drago fight

I'm just surprised I have something to talk about on both sides. This is a non-thing. It seems slightly jokey from TSP, but that it's about Rej of all people is still something to take note of. Okay.

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Conclusion: I have no reason to exonerate TonyStarkPrime. He is a cat candidate. A catidate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I clicked to unlock the thread but it didn't work for some reason. That's why only Jay is posting. APologies.

My bad gang. If I'd have noticed I'd have waited.