Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:39 pm
Despite all that I'm not fully convinced she's a hit
Could just be high on her own supply
There's no reason to think this with Alison. If she's confidently wrong (which you would know for a fact), then she's just mafia - specifically in this situation where she demonstrated null / uncertain reads on other players in the game - lots of them.
There's a difference between a well respected (for their reads) player being wrong, and being confidently tunnel wrong.
He's hedging her slot, don't ya think?
I'd much sooner go Seanzie
You can call that whatever you'd like
Can you give takes on everyone? Just like a sentence or two each, possibly with an ordered list? If you flip town, it will be helpful.
Seanzie just open wolfing.
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:02 pm
by NotAnAxehole
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:00 pm
NAA must have a real low opinion of Fexts game to think he's added so little we can learn from in over 120 posts and diverse player interactions.
Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:39 pm
Despite all that I'm not fully convinced she's a hit
Could just be high on her own supply
There's no reason to think this with Alison. If she's confidently wrong (which you would know for a fact), then she's just mafia - specifically in this situation where she demonstrated null / uncertain reads on other players in the game - lots of them.
There's a difference between a well respected (for their reads) player being wrong, and being confidently tunnel wrong.
He's hedging her slot, don't ya think?
I'd much sooner go Seanzie
You can call that whatever you'd like
Can you give takes on everyone? Just like a sentence or two each, possibly with an ordered list? If you flip town, it will be helpful.
Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:39 pm
Despite all that I'm not fully convinced she's a hit
Could just be high on her own supply
There's no reason to think this with Alison. If she's confidently wrong (which you would know for a fact), then she's just mafia - specifically in this situation where she demonstrated null / uncertain reads on other players in the game - lots of them.
There's a difference between a well respected (for their reads) player being wrong, and being confidently tunnel wrong.
Would anybody else like to comment on the veracity of this
I reckon I don't know.
NAA's progression on Alison felt, strange. I can see where the read shifted, nor do I see where a rascal NAA would feel the need to make that shift. Rascal NAA would be fuckin around and would just continue to sheep Alison assumin they aren't aligned.
Now in regards to NAA's read, my conflict is that the only nulls of Alison's are NAA/Creature/Mac. At the time, I'd reckon them were all fair reads.
Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:39 pm
Despite all that I'm not fully convinced she's a hit
Could just be high on her own supply
There's no reason to think this with Alison. If she's confidently wrong (which you would know for a fact), then she's just mafia - specifically in this situation where she demonstrated null / uncertain reads on other players in the game - lots of them.
There's a difference between a well respected (for their reads) player being wrong, and being confidently tunnel wrong.
Would anybody else like to comment on the veracity of this
I reckon I don't know.
NAA's progression on Alison felt, strange. I can see where the read shifted, nor do I see where a rascal NAA would feel the need to make that shift. Rascal NAA would be fuckin around and would just continue to sheep Alison assumin they aren't aligned.
Now in regards to NAA's read, my conflict is that the only nulls of Alison's are NAA/Creature/Mac. At the time, I'd reckon them were all fair reads.
My progression on Alison is the moment I realized Fext & Lime Coke might be town.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:45 am
So I definitely think Fext is the right choice of chop today, but I also think the people currently on Fext should state why they're voting. He brought up a good point that some of the people were voting Fext for a while.
@Alison @DrWilgy @MacDougall
Do you all think Fext scumslipped? If not, do you still think he should be the yeet? Why/why not?
If he flips scum, possible partners?
Well now, I do think I stated quite plain that I do think that there is some disgenuine reading going on in here.
I reckon that I could also vote for Creature here, but that'd generate us little to no vantage if I'm wrong.
My day 1 lock is Fext/Creature.
Other possibilities are as follows:
I could see you and Fext.
I could see LC and Fext.
I could see NAA and Fext.
I would argue that Fext flip also gives us little information. I would also argue that flipping based on what provides more information is a bad strategy - specifically in 7v2.
He has over 120 posts, and lots of interactions
It's impossible for us to not get a good about of info from their flip.
I'd argue the info on me is low
However I would say that forcing like half the town to re-evaluate and at least one or two scum to fake re-evaluation would at least be good
Don't let people stay set in their ways if I go over
You think we gain little info from your flip, eh?
OK.
I mean, the issue is, like Mac pointed out, he's town telling hard. So then he goes over, people are like... Obvious, yeah in hindsight it's obvious that he was town... Ok, who do we target, on wagon or off wagon? People exploiting the fact that he's obviously town but going over because new or people who are pushing the LHF in a game that requires very few misselims?
Missed this.
OK, yeah I can see that point. I spose then we can always just [VOTE:
Alison] aubergine and see what happens
Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:39 pm
Despite all that I'm not fully convinced she's a hit
Could just be high on her own supply
There's no reason to think this with Alison. If she's confidently wrong (which you would know for a fact), then she's just mafia - specifically in this situation where she demonstrated null / uncertain reads on other players in the game - lots of them.
There's a difference between a well respected (for their reads) player being wrong, and being confidently tunnel wrong.
Would anybody else like to comment on the veracity of this
I reckon I don't know.
NAA's progression on Alison felt, strange. I can see where the read shifted, nor do I see where a rascal NAA would feel the need to make that shift. Rascal NAA would be fuckin around and would just continue to sheep Alison assumin they aren't aligned.
Now in regards to NAA's read, my conflict is that the only nulls of Alison's are NAA/Creature/Mac. At the time, I'd reckon them were all fair reads.
My progression on Alison is the moment I realized Fext & Lime Coke might be town.
Sorry, I just took you at your word, but a quick glance at Mac's ISO and I see no mention of Mac mentioning Fext towntelling
Can you show me what you saw?
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm
by Seanzie
@MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:55 pm
as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC
stop town telling when i'm trying to get you mischopped
@falcon45ca
I mean, that's def tongue in cheek, but OK
Sure, it's a joke... But it came to his mind that the posts might be incredibly towny.
Let's say Fext flips town, there will be a split between "It was obvious" and "He should have just been towny"... Which makes the situation a lot less obvious when he does flip and some people are accused of going for LHF, while some are accused of TMI.
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:55 pm
as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC
stop town telling when i'm trying to get you mischopped
@falcon45ca
I mean, that's def tongue in cheek, but OK
Sure, it's a joke... But it came to his mind that the posts might be incredibly towny.
Let's say Fext flips town, there will be a split between "It was obvious" and "He should have just been towny"... Which makes the situation a lot less obvious when he does flip and some people are accused of going for LHF, while some are accused of TMI.
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:55 pm
as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC
stop town telling when i'm trying to get you mischopped
@falcon45ca
I mean, that's def tongue in cheek, but OK
Sure, it's a joke... But it came to his mind that the posts might be incredibly towny.
Let's say Fext flips town, there will be a split between "It was obvious" and "He should have just been towny"... Which makes the situation a lot less obvious when he does flip and some people are accused of going for LHF, while some are accused of TMI.
How does Fext look if Alison flips town?
It's a good question that I didn't really consider.
I think it will depend heavily on how Alison approaches EoD, if Alison is set to go over (which she won't) and she holds firm on Fext despite his recent town telling (which I guess could be faked in this hypothetical world), and she flips town, then yeah... He's like very high probability mafia. I think there's a lot more nuance if Alison comes to the conclusion that she's wrong or may be wrong pre-death. I think in this world it is also important for Alison to indicate if she scum reads Fext more than Lime Coke or simply thinks he's a healthier kill.
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:11 pm
by NotAnAxehole
@Fext care to make this a 2 pony race?
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:13 pm
by Creature
So we're still lynching Host/Spec today, right?
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:26 pm
by NotAnAxehole
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm
@MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?
Is Fext aka Gavial? If so, I don't see the resemblance of posting. So that would be a well done by him.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm
@MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?
Is Fext aka Gavial? If so, I don't see the resemblance of posting. So that would be a well done by him.
No, Fext is not Gavial to my knowledge.
I want to hear from Mac. You can answer too though - first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment and their alignment?
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm
@MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?
Is Fext aka Gavial? If so, I don't see the resemblance of posting. So that would be a well done by him.
No, Fext is not Gavial to my knowledge.
I want to hear from Mac. You can answer too though - first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment and their alignment?
no clue, probability suggests town town.
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:52 pm
by DrWilgy
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:13 pm
So we're still lynching Host/Spec today, right?
I've been called a straight shooter before, so I'm not gonna beat around the bush. You aren't a contribution to town and I reckon we need to get rid of you before f5.
Hustles ain't the place for this, we need to get that pool of people down.
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:13 pm
So we're still lynching Host/Spec today, right?
I've been called a straight shooter before, so I'm not gonna beat around the bush. You aren't a contribution to town and I reckon we need to get rid of you before f5.
Hustles ain't the place for this, we need to get that pool of people down.
Can you please move to Fext though? If Fext is wolf, the wagons are in a perfect position for a save right now, and I really don't like that.
Also, LC seems more-or-less deflated at this point, which again strongly suggests LC/Fext. We just need to flip Fext. If that is wrong, we need to seriously re-evaluate, but if we don't flip Fext, tomorrow is going to be insanely unproductive.
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:13 pm
So we're still lynching Host/Spec today, right?
I've been called a straight shooter before, so I'm not gonna beat around the bush. You aren't a contribution to town and I reckon we need to get rid of you before f5.
Hustles ain't the place for this, we need to get that pool of people down.
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:13 pm
So we're still lynching Host/Spec today, right?
I've been called a straight shooter before, so I'm not gonna beat around the bush. You aren't a contribution to town and I reckon we need to get rid of you before f5.
Hustles ain't the place for this, we need to get that pool of people down.
Jesus...
What part of DrWilgy's post is problematic?
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:19 pm
by Creature
Don't worry, I can be quite of an entertainment when I'm inspired
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:13 pm
So we're still lynching Host/Spec today, right?
I've been called a straight shooter before, so I'm not gonna beat around the bush. You aren't a contribution to town and I reckon we need to get rid of you before f5.
Hustles ain't the place for this, we need to get that pool of people down.
Jesus...
What part of DrWilgy's post is problematic?
Not sure if it is problematic but I liked it
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:30 pm
by Creature
Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:30 pm
How long until EoD again?
30 minutes
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:31 pm
by Seanzie
Is it 30 or an hour 30? idk how timezones work on this site.
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:31 pm
by NotAnAxehole
How long till Mac CFD onto Creature?
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:31 pm
by NotAnAxehole
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:31 pm
Is it 30 or an hour 30? idk how timezones work on this site.
If you're going to give thoughts on people, now's the time. I asked you about it a while ago.
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:45 pm
by Seanzie
Fext is usually a 100-mile-an-hour poster...
Yeah, feel like this is just a hit.
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:46 pm
by DrWilgy
Now partner, I'm all for a good shitpost every now and then. We just can't take that to F5.
In a hustle type hoedown, a slot like yours is at best a wolf, at worse 3rd wolf in a 9 player hootnany.
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:47 pm
by NotAnAxehole
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:45 pm
Fext is usually a 100-mile-an-hour poster...
Yeah, feel like this is just a hit.
In fairness, EoD is at such a shit time.
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:48 pm
by Fext
Anyways
Most of my list honestly hasn't changed since I last made it, which is surprising to me
Tiers unsorted
TOP TIER
Falcon - pmuch feels like everybody just accepts he's town, meaning he probably just is (plus I independently find him towny, of everybody on me he feels the least gross about it)
NotAnAxehole - Keeping parts of his thought process purposefully hidden is weird, but I do think he's basically in the right on most of the points he's made the latter half of today when as scum he can easily coast. His points in my defense don't feel like grandstanding or fishing for cred if I flip.
MacDougall - least certain in this tier, but I think the approach he's taken does feel like he's sounding things out in reasonable depth and at a good pace. I'm very confused what he's doing, but yet I'm somehow not worried by it, and some of it feels good.
MID TIER
LimeCoke - If he's scum this is the luckiest day of his life. That being said, I think his confusion regarding him thinking I was pushing him earlier felt genuine and not in a way where he was trying to sink me to build cred. More likely green than not imo
Creature - I've realized that it's possible that, like your average leaver in ToS, perhaps the thoughts we shared on being disappointed in the game were shared not because he's also town who feels this game doesn't live up to what he's heard about The Syndicate, but instead because he's mafia and doesn't want to be. I have also realized I do not believe that and, at the moment, don't care very much about it. I haven't read anything recent, but if I had a gun to my head I'd guess he's town.
LOW TIER
DrWilgy - Not sure I track much of his thought process/solving, and I absolutely detest the way he just decided my reads are always from scum. I'm also probably dinging points for the cowboy gimmick. I'm not apologizing.
BOTTOM TIER
Alison - While I am wary she's just incredibly headstrong, setting up a lynch on me with intent to chain to LC regardless of my flip is ABYSMAL in a 7v2. Borderline throwing if Town. Unless somebody tells me NAA is wrong about her being confidently wrong meaning she's just scum, I'm not finding any reason to believe she's seriously trying to solve the game.
Seanzie - Should know better tbh. Dude's off in his own little world and his attempts on this page to swing people to me do not feel good. The town seanzie I know is always thinking and questioning, not getting into these weird tunnels and tinfoil theories - but I have seen him do that as scum. Admittedly, it's one game for each alignment, but given how severely he's locked in that really does feel like enough.
Re: [D1] Lost in Space Mafia
Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:49 pm
by Fext
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:45 pm
Fext is usually a 100-mile-an-hour poster...
Yeah, feel like this is just a hit.
God forbid I type up the list you yourself asked for on mobile
