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Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:07 am**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:06 am It's a pretty useless D1 lim since:

No info due to no reads

When by D2 she is obvious as either alignments (I read her recent scum game).

I'm going to hard veto her D1 lim.

I think she's mafia. That's a good reason to exe someone.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:08 am**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:06 am It's a pretty useless D1 lim since:

No info due to no reads

When by D2 she is obvious as either alignments (I read her recent scum game).

I'm going to hard veto her D1 lim.

we get information on her alignment

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:08 am**

Also not convinced by the "lucy will self resolve" part when she is self admittedly trying to play as null as possible.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:09 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:08 am Also not convinced by the "lucy will self resolve" part when she is self admittedly trying to play as null as possible.

@Esooa agrees with you and disagrees with sabi

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:10 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:06 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:03 am Why is it disadvantageous?
either faction regularly kill me for my reads and my reads aren’t listened to, no different here

i’m a late game player who is comfortable there, early game is my weakest so might not be as much of a deal where i’m regularly killed d1

but if nanook can do it, so can i

How do you reconcile early game being weak with expecting to die N1 because of how good your reads are?

For that matter, why is "these reads are so good the mafia will kill me for them" a reason to withhold them, rather than, y'know, give them and ask town to sheep?

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:11 am**

"she's playing as null as possible"

"she isn't giving us anything AI"

"she's mafia"

None of this is making sense.

Alison you moved from one lhf (Falcon) to Lucy. This isn't helping me not sr you.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:13 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:10 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:06 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:03 am Why is it disadvantageous?
either faction regularly kill me for my reads and my reads aren’t listened to, no different here

i’m a late game player who is comfortable there, early game is my weakest so might not be as much of a deal where i’m regularly killed d1

but if nanook can do it, so can i
How do you reconcile early game being weak with expecting to die N1 because of how good your reads are?

For that matter, why is "these reads are so good the mafia will kill me for them" a reason to withhold them, rather than, y'know, give them and ask town to sheep?

the theory of relativity

and they aren’t here because they are no longer based off 2 years of meta, so weakest here is the previous explanation but after thought my considerations have changed

but i’m keeping a similar play style incase my d1 reads do become god tier which i believe they will, then i’ll face the same problems, i’m playing the long game

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:15 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:08 am Also not convinced by the "lucy will self resolve" part when she is self admittedly trying to play as null as possible.

same as nook

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:19 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:15 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:08 am Also not convinced by the "lucy will self resolve" part when she is self admittedly trying to play as null as possible.
same as nook

nanook doesn't do that lol

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:20 am**

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:19 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:15 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:08 am Also not convinced by the "lucy will self resolve" part when she is self admittedly trying to play as null as possible.
same as nook
nanook doesn't do that lol

in principle he does

we both come from insulated communities with lots of meta, therefore we design our play to be immune to meta, us doing it differently is something you guys will have to live with one way or another

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:28 am**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:11 am "she's playing as null as possible"

"she isn't giving us anything AI"

"she's mafia"

None of this is making sense.

Alison you moved from one lhf (Falcon) to Lucy. This isn't helping me not sr you.

Yes, intentionally refusing to help people read you is a scummy move. Imagine a player who posted nothing but the letter E over and over again. I would characterize that as a blatant attempt to play as null as possible but also as a very scummy move. What lucy has done this game is not far off that tbh.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:29 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:20 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:19 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:15 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:08 am Also not convinced by the "lucy will self resolve" part when she is self admittedly trying to play as null as possible.
same as nook
nanook doesn't do that lol
in principle he does

we both come from insulated communities with lots of meta, therefore we design our play to be immune to meta, us doing it differently is something you guys will have to live with one way or another

Very well. I will execute you this game because I do not believe your excuses. If you flip town I will admit that this is the way you genuinely play as all alignments and refrain from scumreading you for it in the future. Right now I only have your word for it.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:29 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:28 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:11 am "she's playing as null as possible"

"she isn't giving us anything AI"

"she's mafia"

None of this is making sense.

Alison you moved from one lhf (Falcon) to Lucy. This isn't helping me not sr you.
Yes, intentionally refusing to help people read you is a scummy move. Imagine a player who posted nothing but the letter E over and over again. I would characterize that as a blatant attempt to play as null as possible but also as a very scummy move. What lucy has done this game is not far off that tbh.

flip me and I pull town, then we play the next game, do you policy me there?
do you think I'm a very beneficial townie after d1?

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:30 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:29 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:20 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:19 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:15 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:08 am Also not convinced by the "lucy will self resolve" part when she is self admittedly trying to play as null as possible.
same as nook
nanook doesn't do that lol
in principle he does

we both come from insulated communities with lots of meta, therefore we design our play to be immune to meta, us doing it differently is something you guys will have to live with one way or another
Very well. I will execute you this game because I do not believe your excuses. If you flip town I will admit that this is the way you genuinely play as all alignments and refrain from scumreading you for it in the future. Right now I only have your word for it.

fine by me

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:36 am**

@Sabiplz there's 0 chance in hell I'm obv after d2, you have conf biased yourself bc you knew my alignment when reading that game

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:39 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:36 am @Sabiplz there's 0 chance in hell I'm obv after d2, you have conf biased yourself bc you knew my alignment when reading that game

I was reading that game before your flip because Brad was in the game and I read most of brad's game because I have no life.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:40 am**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:39 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:36 am @Sabiplz there's 0 chance in hell I'm obv after d2, you have conf biased yourself bc you knew my alignment when reading that game
I was reading that game before your flip because Brad was in the game and I read most of brad's game because I have no life.

hope you liked the holstering of that poison n1 as a wolf poisoner on the counter wagon

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:41 am**

had to actually ate to save myself there cause I had to live, which I disliked

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:42 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:40 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:39 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:36 am @Sabiplz there's 0 chance in hell I'm obv after d2, you have conf biased yourself bc you knew my alignment when reading that game
I was reading that game before your flip because Brad was in the game and I read most of brad's game because I have no life.
hope you liked the holstering of that poison n1 as a wolf poisoner on the counter wagon

It was surprising. But yea I read a lot of mafia games ever since I quit my job lol I have nothing else to do in this depression funk besides read

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:44 am**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:42 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:40 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:39 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:36 am @Sabiplz there's 0 chance in hell I'm obv after d2, you have conf biased yourself bc you knew my alignment when reading that game
I was reading that game before your flip because Brad was in the game and I read most of brad's game because I have no life.
hope you liked the holstering of that poison n1 as a wolf poisoner on the counter wagon
It was surprising. But yea I read a lot of mafia games ever since I quit my job lol I have nothing else to do in this depression funk besides read

sorry about that

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:45 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:41 am had to actually ate to save myself there cause I had to live, which I disliked

doesn't seem NAI to me then

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:46 am**

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:45 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:41 am had to actually ate to save myself there cause I had to live, which I disliked
doesn't seem NAI to me then

had to make an exception, it decided the game didn't it?

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:47 am**

first and foremost I'm a strategic player

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:53 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:46 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:45 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:41 am had to actually ate to save myself there cause I had to live, which I disliked
doesn't seem NAI to me then
had to make an exception, it decided the game didn't it?

oh, so not everything you do day 1 is NAI and having exactly the same metas isn't even good? So the entire two last pages was.. you lying? I guess we should vote you out

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:54 am**

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:53 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:46 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:45 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:41 am had to actually ate to save myself there cause I had to live, which I disliked
doesn't seem NAI to me then
had to make an exception, it decided the game didn't it?
oh, so not everything you do day 1 is NAI and having exactly the same metas isn't even good? So the entire two last pages was.. you lying? I guess we should vote you out

yes if I have the game deciding wolf pr I will break meta to win, ur argument is bad faith and unreasonable

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:58 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:54 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:53 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:46 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:45 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:41 am had to actually ate to save myself there cause I had to live, which I disliked
doesn't seem NAI to me then
had to make an exception, it decided the game didn't it?
oh, so not everything you do day 1 is NAI and having exactly the same metas isn't even good? So the entire two last pages was.. you lying? I guess we should vote you out
yes if I have the game deciding wolf pr I will break meta to win, ur argument is bad faith and unreasonable

Sorry, I make bad faith and unreasonable arguments only as town, though, so at least you know that

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:58 am**

Not sure this is a useful conversation for anyone involved.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:59 am**

Hi Visor do you have any reads beside Sparkles wolf?

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:03 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:59 am Hi Visor do you have any reads beside Sparkles wolf?

Well he also said Falcon that you conviently neglected to include.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:03 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:59 am Hi Visor do you have any reads beside Sparkles wolf?

Not seriously, no.

Didn't really like falcons push on lucy.

You're doing Alison things, which seems fine enough for today.

Sparkles just the person who sticks out most to me.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:03 am**

alison/wilgy/falcon/sabi/probably marmot town

there

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:05 am**

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:03 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:59 am Hi Visor do you have any reads beside Sparkles wolf?
Well he also said Falcon that you conviently neglected to include.

How am I convenienced by neglecting to include it?

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:06 am**

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:03 am alison/wilgy/falcon/sabi/probably marmot town

there

Why Marmot?

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:07 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:06 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:03 am alison/wilgy/falcon/sabi/probably marmot town

there
Why Marmot?

I have to keep reminding myself he's probably town so I don't push him when he makes reads on really weird things like I do every time he's town

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am**

do u believe I'm scum @Esooa

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am do u believe I'm scum @Esooa

I believe you're impossible to read so we should vote you while we have the chance

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:12 am**

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am do u believe I'm scum @Esooa
I believe you're impossible to read so we should vote you while we have the chance

thoughts? @Alison

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:20 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:12 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am do u believe I'm scum @Esooa
I believe you're impossible to read so we should vote you while we have the chance
thoughts? @Alison

I don't think you're impossible to read, I think you've been wolfy and so we should vote you for being wolf.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:22 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:20 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:12 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am do u believe I'm scum @Esooa
I believe you're impossible to read so we should vote you while we have the chance
thoughts? @Alison
I don't think you're impossible to read, I think you've been wolfy and so we should vote you for being wolf.

esooa has wolfed with me, u haven't, she knows a bit better here
but I want ur opinion on the validity of her stance, voting me off pure paranoia and against the statistics

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:25 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:22 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:20 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:12 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:10 am do u believe I'm scum @Esooa
I believe you're impossible to read so we should vote you while we have the chance
thoughts? @Alison
I don't think you're impossible to read, I think you've been wolfy and so we should vote you for being wolf.
esooa has wolfed with me, u haven't, she knows a bit better here
but I want ur opinion on the validity of her stance, voting me off pure paranoia and against the statistics

well, I have a lot of town reads, and statistically I'm one away from winning the game if they're all right

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:26 am**

she believes I am impossible to read, and that I'm best left to die now, even if I'm town

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 am**

u believe I'm wolf and should die bc a SR, very big distinction

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 am**

@Sabiplz please indicate for clarity whether you wish to veto a lucy chop because you town read her or because you want to wait and see

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 am**

I can't be the least useful towny this game, I've let myself down. Might as well give up now and contribute

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:26 am she believes I am impossible to read, and that I'm best left to die now, even if I'm town

Are you suggesting that this is a suspicious thing for Esooa to do?

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:35 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:26 am she believes I am impossible to read, and that I'm best left to die now, even if I'm town
Are you suggesting that this is a suspicious thing for Esooa to do?

not after the vulture game, I'm just thinking out loud

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:36 am**

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:35 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:26 am she believes I am impossible to read, and that I'm best left to die now, even if I'm town
Are you suggesting that this is a suspicious thing for Esooa to do?
not after the vulture game, I'm just thinking out loud

What happened in the vulture game? Please answer only briefly, I don’t need a big synopsis

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:37 am**

I have thoughts but will refrain until Alison can answer lucy’s prompt.

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:38 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:36 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:35 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:26 am she believes I am impossible to read, and that I'm best left to die now, even if I'm town
Are you suggesting that this is a suspicious thing for Esooa to do?
not after the vulture game, I'm just thinking out loud
What happened in the vulture game? Please answer only briefly, I don’t need a big synopsis

I was wolf, almost lynched d1 as poisoner in a poisoner game
and I end gamed successfully while esooa misread me entire game

Posted: **Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:38 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:33 am @Sabiplz please indicate for clarity whether you wish to veto a lucy chop because you town read her or because you want to wait and see

she said the latter, because I was easy to read after d2

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