The Syndicate

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:48 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 1:47 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:00 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:49 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:39 am
He didn't say that though

It's called paraphrasing.

So what he said is translated in what you said?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:09 am

Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:48 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:40 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:39 am

You seem to be flip-flopping weirdly between having voted facon for self-press and actually coming up with a reason for it. Not sure if I dig it.

They are both things that passed through my mind at Eod. What's there to dig?

I wanted to stay away from the game at one moment.
The feeling of 'fuck it, why should I cry for it?' vanished after a while and I was curious to see what everyone says, since I stayed counting sheeps on the ceiling (imaginary, of course) and I still have that joy to solve the game that made me play it for more than 5 years, and I didn't want to vote Jack because of dead air dead villager state of game.

Now explain me why flip flopping is bad/wolfy

It can go both ways for sure
I don’t know if I would consider this flip flopping in context. It’s revisionist in the same paragraph. But both can exist, I suppose

Not quite

It's like Scotty said, feels like you are throwing every excuse on the wall at once to see what sticks.

Not that post. This post:

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:39 am You seem to be flip-flopping weirdly between having voted facon for self-press and actually coming up with a reason for it. Not sure if I dig it.

mmm I do agree with this. Two different angles in the same breath, like she can’t make up her mind on what sounds the most defensible so she just says both

I'm pretty sure the two sentences have the same meaning, yes.

What is the point of this argument, anyway? It's one thing to discuss on whether flip-flopping makes you scummy, but now you are nitpicking whether my usage of "paraphrasing" applies or not. This is a waste of time.

And it's only making you feel more manipulative to me since you are skipping posts that don't contribute to your nitpicking, while trying to make me look bad for something unrelated to the game.

tbf, using wilgy agreeing with what you said to then use against someone like "well scotty said x" yes but scotty said it after already agreeing with you, so it feels like you're just ganging up on michelle by throwing around the opinion of someone who is mostly townread as a threat

this all feels really nitpicky, at best its unproductive at worst you're using the "town leader" to throw around power instead of your own power

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:50 pm Michelle

Cw Roxy ?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:51 pm Michelle
4
36%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Dragon D. Luffy, Jackofhearts2005, S~V~S

If lily is a wolf like I think, who wants to save her??

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:49 pm You really don't have a sense of when you stop.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 2:36 pm One thing that may be important.

This is either matrix 3 or 5.

If it's 5, and mafia didn't holster their kill (which I think I'll stop bringing up because it's incredibly unlikely), then mafia now knows who the SK is.

If we catch a mafia, we need to ISO their posts for who they might know the SK is.

For instance, if I'm mafia and I know the SK, I'll likely leave them alone, maybe even protect them, because mafia can win with the SK.

I mean real talk, I’m almost certain mafia shot Scotty and Scotty is the serial killer.

He’s the most obviously townread player D1 and somebody said something about him caring more about appearing townie than who was actually yeeted and that tracks.

If it was a jailkeeper, they’d just say something, right?

Idk if we have to yeet the sk to win tho.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:51 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:48 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 1:47 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 11:00 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:49 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:39 am
He didn't say that though

It's called paraphrasing.

So what he said is translated in what you said?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 9:09 am

Spoiler: show

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:48 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:40 am
They are both things that passed through my mind at Eod. What's there to dig?

I wanted to stay away from the game at one moment.
The feeling of 'fuck it, why should I cry for it?' vanished after a while and I was curious to see what everyone says, since I stayed counting sheeps on the ceiling (imaginary, of course) and I still have that joy to solve the game that made me play it for more than 5 years, and I didn't want to vote Jack because of dead air dead villager state of game.

Now explain me why flip flopping is bad/wolfy

It can go both ways for sure
I don’t know if I would consider this flip flopping in context. It’s revisionist in the same paragraph. But both can exist, I suppose

Not quite

It's like Scotty said, feels like you are throwing every excuse on the wall at once to see what sticks.

Not that post. This post:

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 8:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 6:39 am You seem to be flip-flopping weirdly between having voted facon for self-press and actually coming up with a reason for it. Not sure if I dig it.

mmm I do agree with this. Two different angles in the same breath, like she can’t make up her mind on what sounds the most defensible so she just says both

I'm pretty sure the two sentences have the same meaning, yes.

What is the point of this argument, anyway? It's one thing to discuss on whether flip-flopping makes you scummy, but now you are nitpicking whether my usage of "paraphrasing" applies or not. This is a waste of time.

And it's only making you feel more manipulative to me since you are skipping posts that don't contribute to your nitpicking, while trying to make me look bad for something unrelated to the game.

tbf, using wilgy agreeing with what you said to then use against someone like "well scotty said x" yes but scotty said it after already agreeing with you, so it feels like you're just ganging up on michelle by throwing around the opinion of someone who is mostly townread as a threat

this all feels really nitpicky, at best its unproductive at worst you're using the "town leader" to throw around power instead of your own power

At this point it's no longer about the original point I was making and more about the fact Michelle keeps doing olympic gymnastics to avoid the point I was making.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:54 pm DDL you have no point

You misinterpreted what Scotty said from my pov.

I don't care about your opinion more than that.

It's about MY opinion.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:54 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:49 pm You really don't have a sense of when you stop.

Stopping is for people who lack confidence.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:55 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:54 pm DDL you have no point

You misinterpreted what Scotty said from my pov.

I don't care about your opinion more than that.

It's about MY opinion.

You continue not to even address the post that I was originally quoting. Not even when I quote it again and beg that you address it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:55 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:54 pm DDL you have no point

You misinterpreted what Scotty said from my pov.

I don't care about your opinion more than that.

It's about MY opinion.

You continue not to even address the post that I was originally quoting. Not even when I quote it again and beg that you address it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:56 pm [VOTE: Lily] aubergine

Godanmit.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:58 pm I tr the girlies ddl pls vote roxy

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:59 pm why does town commit crimes against each other

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:59 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:58 pm I tr the girlies ddl pls vote roxy

Theres no wagon.

Michelle has been killed, they were Vanilla Town.

Long Con has been killed, they were Vanilla Town.

Long Con has been killed, they were town 2 shot Motion Detector.

The post above is lying. The post below is telling the truth.

Long Con has died. He was the glue that held us all together.

No one has died. It is now Day3

Porscha is a good egg mmm
Waffles

Long Con has been killed, they were Vanilla Town.

TonyStarkPrime is a two-shot jailkeeper

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 5:15 pm 4 posts about LC's death? I know one is the host's, I figure mafia made another 2, but it 's a big coincindence to have another one.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 5:33 pm Another possibility is that the SK and the mafia double shot LC.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:05 pm that said wolf jack is pretty agenda-y

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:38 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 5:19 pm Gonna get host clarification on if the sk winning means they leave the game or they end the game.

If they leave, it’s arguably not worth yeeting them. If they win, we absolutely must.

Host message inconclusive.

Suppose the serial killer ends the game if he wins. It is good for the serial killer to not confirm this. Largely bad for the town and wolves because they could have their win stolen by EON2. In fact, if the town is dumb and allows themselves to be sniped by the sk, that would be unfair to the wolfteam to lose this way, having not been caught or having had the ability to prevent the silly sk from making their kills.

Suppose the serial killer leaves the game if he wins. It is bad for the serial killer to not confirm this. It prevents the town from seeing a serial killer that has one kill (granted, harder without knowing if the vigilante exists but eventually we know one way or the other) and saying that letting the serial killer get another kill = one town kill and yeeting the serial killer = giving up a day = one town kill (from the wolf nk) so why fucking bother hunting for or yeeting the sk?

Overall, I think we're more likely to be looking at a serial killer who leaves the game when and if they make their wincon. However, the serial killer is basically anticlaim and anticlaim. It'd be nice to remove that. I'm also against 3Ps that can skate to victory because the town shrugs but that's more of a game theory hosting kinda dislike. In game, I'm going to pursue my wincon and not yeet a 3P that I think it isn't in the town's best interest to eliminate just because I think games generally should motivate me to do so.

I'd be more likely to just shrugyeet Scotty if we didn't have better options. As is, I townread less than half the game and I'd feel super stupid if I was wrong about this and we yeeted Scotty and even if I'm right about this, there's a fair chance we just like...don't let Scotty get kills. He doesn't know who the mafia is. He can't purposely lead us astray. He may help find wolves by accident or in an attempt to convince us he's not the serial killer. Or you know because he's actually a townie and looking for wolves. wowee.jpg

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 1:55 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:10 am Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

But that's exactly what I mean. Scotty is acting like the serial killer. The serial killer must not get yeeted and wait for town to claim or be obvious from their messages. That is their only goal. Seem too townie? They draw the mafia nk and that doesn't matter to them because they don't care if they lose their vest 99 times out of 100 and they don't care if the wolves miss their kill because the chances of winning via parity vs just getting two kills in.

So Scotty is not actually pushing anyone but me, a known skilled wolfplayer and difficult to misyeet townplayer and his push on me is limp and unthreatening. He's not in danger of wolfJack or wolfanybody feeling threatened and killing him. He's not in danger of misyeeting me and looking bad for it. It's treading water. Scotty didn't get nked because wolves felt threatened. He got nked because much of the playerbase was inactive and like five ppl went "Yeah, Scotty is townie," which is well more than anybody else. Pretty sure every other active player besides Scotty and DDL got some kind of suspicion leveled against them and since this game is based on the idea that DDL is playing mafia for the first time in forever, I don't think the wolves shoot DDL N1. Ergo, they shoot Scotty.

I realize I'm arguing that Scotty got nked for being townie and is not town for not being townie at the same time but you gotta look at the nuance.

Anyway, enough of that because I wanna yeet a wolf and I've spent too much time looking at a player I don't want to yeet.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 5:42 pm There's a penalty, it's in the rules post.

The reason I think a double shot is likely is that otherwise, a player who did not participate in LC's death decided to send a message with a fake LC death post, on the SAME NIGHT LC died.

Seems very unlikely. What is more likely is that the two wolf factions shot him, and all 3 of them faked LC death posts as a strategy to muddle the night post. And the 4th one is the actual LC death post.