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Yeah that's fair. At this early stage of the game I tend to wait to push worlds until parts of those worlds have been confirmed.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:34 pm That's fair. For the record I don't think it's worth to shoot dunya before we get a scum flip on Lime.
I just wanted to throw that into the topic before I die without saying it.
I don’t find dunya particularly wolfy.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:33 pmMaybe. It's hard imo to tell the difference between a wrong townie defending a wolf (if Lime is a wolf) and a wolf defending a wolf. My read on dunya independently was pretty much "solvy and inquisitive enough to get a town lean d1"Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:22 pm These are teammates.
She first acknowledges Lime's existance when I accuse him. And she does by defending him, but pointing out he is "wishy-washy" about a different post. So that's some fence sitting.
Then she questions Lime about his falcon suspicion, but when he replies, she moves on to collaborate with Lime on getting falcon killed.
And after I reply to the first of dunya's quotes, she once again reaffirms that she suspects Lime for being wishy-washy on Wisdom, while still defending him on the Roxy post and justifying that she "wants to be right".
I originally thought Lime was pocketing dunya, but maybe it's not pocketing. It's teamwork.
He had a bit of a grumpy, content-less entrance in the back half of D1 too, which inspired me to want to drink Pepsi productsThunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:27 pm Wisdom isn't my main push because I have another push I think is a hit more often.
[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
I reexamined him and I think his agreeableness with immediately retracting his scum vibes on Falcon is a bad look for him, especially because Falcon flipped town.
I also don't think town Brad has me in his strong towns immediately. When we turbo together he has me in his town leans at most unless I've cleared myself because he's paranoid of me.
also killed dumbledore
I agree with everything here, except I’m not so gung-ho about SVS. She’s a very light scumread, but it’s very light. Could use more thoughts, as it’s a bit blendy.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:14 pm imma throw a salad cuz falcon is dead so I guess I don't need to fear Salad Police anymore.
Thunal is town-ish. She's solving, though I don't feel her super town yet.
Wisdom feels pretty town after EoD1, as I thought her anxiety was legit.
Scotty is not towning as hard as he was last game I played wth him, but he's fine enough.
SVS is not going to jail this time either.
dunya is meh. Could be worse depending on Lime flip.
Daisy feels good, though her content has been pretty small.
Roxy feels ok.
Lime is bad.
The 4 people I pinged need to start posting or we'll have to start shooting them.
The rest I have no idea about.
Um....gottem?
About that, I often post little in any game I play, and when I do post I either put nothing on the table, I cause confusion on what I mean, or I end up sounding phoney.
Never knew this before know but, pinging me barely does anything for me to be notified.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:14 pm The 4 people I pinged need to start posting or we'll have to start shooting them.
The rest I have no idea about.
Im glad you said this. This is the longest I think you've ever went before you started coming for me, i was beginning to get worried about you.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:26 pm I agree with everything here, except I’m not so gung-ho about SVS. She’s a very light scumread, but it’s very light. Could use more thoughts, as it’s a bit blendy.
And wisdom is someone I haven’t made my mind up yet on. I probably have a bit of a lingering bias from D1 coloring my judgment
Is agreement your criteria?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:17 pmI guess I'll go with it. You're making me feel better about you based on your posts today but I don't really have a concrete reason beyond feeling towny and some mindmelds on Wisdom.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:10 pmYou missed the part where I am having acute insanity
It's cool, but my point is that you shouldn't wait to be pinged to say something.motobot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:13 pmNever knew this before know but, pinging me barely does anything for me to be notified.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:14 pm The 4 people I pinged need to start posting or we'll have to start shooting them.
The rest I have no idea about.
I will see if I can set it up to where I will get notification outside of the site. Overall though, this is on me and I should check in with the thread more often.
This is interesting. I hadn't read this far when i formed my opinions. This is a - points for Lime. Maybe her too, I felt pretty towny re her, but imma reread, maybe find that last game, and read some of that.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:22 pm So guys, as I have already estabilished through solid observation and logical reasoning, Lime is mafia.
But allow me to entertain another thought:
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:00 amLC has given quite a few more reads beyond me, like why he trusts thunal and svs. he makes more town reads than mafia reads in general, i feel. i like that he gave credit to his svs read more than me cos he's played more with her recently too. i feel he would have pocketed me harder if he was mafia.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:02 am I was gonna stay parked on Roxy for most of the day but someone posted a quasi-angle shooty reason for why Roxy's inactive hunt post makes sense coming from here so I gotta leave before this wagon grows.
I was already feeling LC was blendy before his awkward attempt to pocket dunya, now I just wanna yeet here.
[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
the only thing i didn't like from LC was his wisdom read maybe felt wishy washy and like a cute cushion backfall if he had to swap from roxy and wisdom yeet was bac into steam.
i would say it's likely LC isn't w/w with roxy or wisdom for those reasons.dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:19 ami iso'd him too and don't feel like falcon has contributed nothing like some players, but i also don't feel like he contributed much especially in the way of follow up after asking people questions.Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:08 amYou know I went into his iso after you asked me this because I was going to mention one of his posts was a vote with reasoning of nothing in the game but it was literally a joke post so that is gone.
I might not actually be as confident in him being mafia the only reason I'd think of voting him is basically a situation of the CW being a townread of mine.These are teammates.dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:02 amoh i dont know if cushion is any mafia lingo. it was just a bit of a backfall in the same way i felt his stance on wisdom was wishy washy and a good cushion so he can vote wisdom at any moment later on if traction went back without being out of place. so maybe we're talking about the same things, albeit about different people.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:56 amI'm not up to date with 2025 mafia lingo, but I didnt like the way he went... "I think dunya leans town, and she might be on to something with Roxy, so I dunno, I might vote there later (if it becomes a wagon to save a teammate)"
I tend to get suspicious when people approach the leading wagons of the day with wishy-washy posts like that. Leading wagons kill people, you should be resaponsible about them.
i see when you called him out on roxy he immediately placed his vote there, but i understand what you're saying i'm just not sure i felt that irked about his roxy post in specific at the time since obviously it's my hunch and i want to be right lol.
She first acknowledges Lime's existance when I accuse him. And she does by defending him, but pointing out he is "wishy-washy" about a different post. So that's some fence sitting.
Then she questions Lime about his falcon suspicion, but when he replies, she moves on to collaborate with Lime on getting falcon killed.
And after I reply to the first of dunya's quotes, she once again reaffirms that she suspects Lime for being wishy-washy on Wisdom, while still defending him on the Roxy post and justifying that she "wants to be right".
I originally thought Lime was pocketing dunya, but maybe it's not pocketing. It's teamwork.
At work, Spotify is blocked but for some weird reason YouTube isn't, so I listen to music on that. But it also has tons, like tons, of "SPOILER BREAKDOWN OF EPISODE X YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE IT" videos. Ugh. So after actively avoiding all this all day, I had no choice but to watch it ASAP after checking to see who died. And thanks, but I already knew about
He reads me a hell of a lot better than I read him. And I'm pretty pocketable. Hrm.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:27 pm Wisdom isn't my main push because I have another push I think is a hit more often.
[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
I reexamined him and I think his agreeableness with immediately retracting his scum vibes on Falcon is a bad look for him, especially because Falcon flipped town.
I also don't think town Brad has me in his strong towns immediately. When we turbo together he has me in his town leans at most unless I've cleared myself because he's paranoid of me.
EBWOPSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:57 pm Ok, I have loads of work to do tonight, so in the interest of transparency and game solving, I'm just going to give you all my thoughts at EoD.
there was one vote on Long Con and I actively suspected him, despite feeling like I trusted the people on the falcon wagon more than others, just vibe wise. Then DDL said if I voted there, he would join me. I looked at the math and thought, that would tie up falcon and Long Con and the final decision would be made by a civ, even if it's an uninformed civ, I've prefer that to manipulated wagon. So I dropped a vote on Long Con, then DDL followed suit as he said he would. I think it was DDL anyway, I'll have to recheck that.
The question I have is who voted falcon after us? Because that vote put him back in the lead.
Regarding falcon's fake outting himself as a wolf. I don't know why he did that, but in the moment I had to decide what to do with that. I could jump over to falcon, under the assumption he is telling the truth. But I asked myself, if it is the truth, why would he do that? The only thing I could come up with is to help protect someone else, and the only other one at risk was Long Con, so I stayed. Either that or just sowing confusion, in which case it's better to ignore anyway. So again, staying where I was seemed the logical choice.
Now we know that falcon was town, so who dropped that last vote on him? I don't have time to look tonight, I'll have to do it tomorrow night maybe. Regardless, I think discussion there is warranted. I think discussion of Long Con is warranted as well.
What was that about dunya conspiring to kill falcon? Her vote was on Long Con with me. Not saying she is good, because I haven't formed an opinion and that's part of why I wavered about voting Long Con or falcon. I have no read there, and it's a little worrisome.
I'll try to go back and look at SVS's case on Wisdom. I don't understand it and I've not had any bad vibes from Wisdom either so far. It's weird she actively wants to avoid yeeting someone, but if she was wolf, why tell us that? Possible, but at the moment I'm not sure I see it. Same as my feelings on some of the weird stuff that DDL said that seemed preoccupied with the optics of where his vote was and when.
Though, if Long Con is town, it would be easy for DDL to have just sheeped me over to him from falcon and keep his hands clean, knowing that a town was likely to die either way. Something to consider I suppose.
Back to work I go.
Timing! I just read all of your posts and felt that your progression on your vote felt natural.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:57 pm Ok, I have loads of work to do tonight, so in the interest of transparency and game solving, I'm just going to give you all my thoughts at EoD.
there was one vote on Long Con and I actively suspected him, despite feeling like I trusted the people on the falcon wagon more than others, just vibe wise. Then DDL said if I voted there, he would join me. I looked at the math and thought, that would tie up falcon and Long Con and the final decision would be made by a civ, even if it's an uninformed civ, I've prefer that to manipulated wagon. So I dropped a vote on Long Con, then DDL followed suit as he said he would. I think it was DDL anyway, I'll have to recheck that.
The question I have is who voted falcon after us? Because that vote put him back in the lead.
Regarding falcon's fake outting himself as a wolf. I don't know why he did that, but in the moment I had to decide what to do with that. I could jump over to falcon, under the assumption he is telling the truth. But I asked myself, if it is the truth, why would he do that? The only thing I could come up with is to help protect someone else, and the only other one at risk was Long Con, so I stayed. Either that or just sowing confusion, in which case it's better to ignore anyway. So again, staying where I was seemed the logical choice.
Now we know that falcon was town, so we dropped that last vote on him? I don't have time to look tonight, I'll have to do it tomorrow night maybe. Regardless, I think discussion there is warranted. I think discussion of Long Con is warranted as well.
What was that about dunya conspiring to kill falcon? Her vote was on Long Con with me. Not saying she is good, because I haven't formed an opinion and that's part of why I wavered about voting Long Con or falcon. I have no read there, and it's a little worrisome.
I'll try to go back and look at SVS's case on Wisdom. I don't understand it and I've not had any bad vibes from Wisdom either so far. It's weird she actively wants to avoid yeeting someone, but if she was wolf, why tell us that? Possible, but at the moment I'm not sure I see it. Same as my feelings on some of the weird stuff that DDL said that seemed preoccupied with the optics of where his vote was and when.
Though, if Long Con is town, it would be easy for DDL to have just sheeped me over to him from falcon and keep his hands clean, knowing that a town was likely to die either way. Something to consider I suppose.
Back to work I go.
All i can add to the Falcon vote order is Wisdom was first, I was second. Times are US East Coast time. I voted 6 AM. Wisdom pulled off at some point. Scotty voted Falcon a few hours later, about 9, but pulled off later.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:57 pm
Now we know that falcon was town, so we dropped that last vote on him? I don't have time to look tonight, I'll have to do it tomorrow night maybe. Regardless, I think discussion there is warranted. I think discussion of Long Con is warranted as well.
I am on it. Gimme a couple of adjectives. Mac gave me something like "sexy, god of mafia, powerful" and I produced this, which may be a contender for best of all time:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:46 am @Long Con
Yeah make me an avatar. Idk what of but I trust you
Why would you vote for her if she overexplained something?
Well you'll be delighted to learn we're rolling out Syndicate beepers soon for those too hip to be squaremotobot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:13 pmNever knew this before know but, pinging me barely does anything for me to be notified.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:14 pm The 4 people I pinged need to start posting or we'll have to start shooting them.
The rest I have no idea about.
I will see if I can set it up to where I will get notification outside of the site. Overall though, this is on me and I should check in with the thread more often.
I don't think I've ever seen such a deep dive on a player that hasn't posted before lolS~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:28 pm I took longer than I thought since kitty was so comfy, I hated to get him up.
Im glad you said this. This is the longest I think you've ever went before you started coming for me, i was beginning to get worried about you.Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:26 pm I agree with everything here, except I’m not so gung-ho about SVS. She’s a very light scumread, but it’s very light. Could use more thoughts, as it’s a bit blendy.
And wisdom is someone I haven’t made my mind up yet on. I probably have a bit of a lingering bias from D1 coloring my judgment
OK, I have this habit of getting a fairly strong gut read, and generally I stick with it, even if sometimes people view that as a bad thing (Thunal said something before about me pushing something through). Sometimes that comes across as tunnelling. I'm wrong sometimes (sorry @Jackofhearts2005) but I reread today and I still think I'm right about Wisdom. [VOTE: Wisdom] aubergine
Other thoughts.
LPP; I see some suspish forming. The last game I played with them, they were super active, and they were participating, involved and impressively manipulative and played such a perfect ... baddie game. The person i see here is not that person, I don't see any person at all since they haven't posted, although it doesn't preclude TPP from being bad. But other than quiet, meh. They haven't posted even one time. That's a back burner.
People I feel as safe trusting as I would do in a Mafia game~
DDL, Syn, probs Dunya I think are town. I'd be surprised if not.
People I might put in that category, but will never fully "trust" ever again~
Thunal, Scotty , Roxy
Thunal has had a few moments of what felt like skillful web weaving that she does when bad so well, but nothing out of her town vibe. Scotty came in strong, was on some of the same pages as me, and didn't accuse me once, so like I said ^^ I was beginning to worry about him. Especially when he came in today and talked himself into and out of sussing Wisdom. But again, nothing town Scotty wouldn't do, and he eventually pointed a finger at me, which makes me feel better about him. Roxy; either I've gotten worse at reading her or she's gotten better at tricking me, or both. Her posts sound sincere.
Null (a big group i hope to see pared down by isoing)~
**Mainly a bit towny side of null~Daisy and Jack a tad towny. That's prolly my fault not theirs. I'm looking at things I sus rather than those that i don't.
**Null~ LPP, Jibay and Nook. Jibay is a nub, bantered some, no real content, LPP no content at all, Nook posted a few posts like "ha ha I'm playing mafia". Also Lime; he feels more towny than not to me, but in recent games i read him that way, and he was bad. I don't think my opinion of him has much value, tbh.
People i could vote for~
Wisdom, I already voted for them. Motobot, I didn't like his vote, he had zero to say about Rox before voting, he IS a young man, but not a kid and has played before. Not sure if I'm believing his "I'm afraid to say the wrong thing" defense.
and finally "I DUNNO" LC does not feel towny to me, but he also does not feel bad to me. That one post he made about figuring out how to use powers for town, that felt like old timey town LC. But then trying to blame his Roxy vote on me like a made a big case when i said one line, that struck me as a bit terrifying. so again I DUNNO.
I don't really feel like going digging for moto meta (lol) from past games, but at surface level, someone saying they don't want to say the wrong thing makes me feel like that person is woefully nervous of dying. Either that's a wolf move or a town PR move. Either way it doesn't inspire confidenceDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:41 pmIt's cool, but my point is that you shouldn't wait to be pinged to say something.motobot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:13 pmNever knew this before know but, pinging me barely does anything for me to be notified.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:14 pm The 4 people I pinged need to start posting or we'll have to start shooting them.
The rest I have no idea about.
I will see if I can set it up to where I will get notification outside of the site. Overall though, this is on me and I should check in with the thread more often.
Talk to people. You don't have to solve the game and figure out who is bad by yourself. Just interact with us, that will make it easy for everyone (including you) to sort things out.
S~V~S, this is insane, it's amped up, it's hyperbolically overwrought.S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:28 pmLC does not feel towny to me, but he also does not feel bad to me. That one post he made about figuring out how to use powers for town, that felt like old timey town LC. But then trying to blame his Roxy vote on me like a made a big case when i said one line, that struck me as a bit terrifying. so again I DUNNO.
then you'll love the fact that in Episode 2 of this seasonS~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:51 pmAt work, Spotify is blocked but for some weird reason YouTube isn't, so I listen to music on that. But it also has tons, like tons, of "SPOILER BREAKDOWN OF EPISODE X YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE IT" videos. Ugh. So after actively avoiding all this all day, I had no choice but to watch it ASAP after checking to see who died. And thanks, but I already knew aboutSpoiler: show
I joined you on LC, and didn't ever leave.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:57 pm Ok, I have loads of work to do tonight, so in the interest of transparency and game solving, I'm just going to give you all my thoughts at EoD.
there was one vote on Long Con and I actively suspected him, despite feeling like I trusted the people on the falcon wagon more than others, just vibe wise. Then DDL said if I voted there, he would join me. I looked at the math and thought, that would tie up falcon and Long Con and the final decision would be made by a civ, even if it's an uninformed civ, I've prefer that to manipulated wagon. So I dropped a vote on Long Con, then DDL followed suit as he said he would. I think it was DDL anyway, I'll have to recheck that.
The question I have is who voted falcon after us? Because that vote put him back in the lead.
Regarding falcon's fake outting himself as a wolf. I don't know why he did that, but in the moment I had to decide what to do with that. I could jump over to falcon, under the assumption he is telling the truth. But I asked myself, if it is the truth, why would he do that? The only thing I could come up with is to help protect someone else, and the only other one at risk was Long Con, so I stayed. Either that or just sowing confusion, in which case it's better to ignore anyway. So again, staying where I was seemed the logical choice.
Now we know that falcon was town, so we dropped that last vote on him? I don't have time to look tonight, I'll have to do it tomorrow night maybe. Regardless, I think discussion there is warranted. I think discussion of Long Con is warranted as well.
What was that about dunya conspiring to kill falcon? Her vote was on Long Con with me. Not saying she is good, because I haven't formed an opinion and that's part of why I wavered about voting Long Con or falcon. I have no read there, and it's a little worrisome.
I'll try to go back and look at SVS's case on Wisdom. I don't understand it and I've not had any bad vibes from Wisdom either so far. It's weird she actively wants to avoid yeeting someone, but if she was wolf, why tell us that? Possible, but at the moment I'm not sure I see it. Same as my feelings on some of the weird stuff that DDL said that seemed preoccupied with the optics of where his vote was and when.
Though, if Long Con is town, it would be easy for DDL to have just sheeped me over to him from falcon and keep his hands clean, knowing that a town was likely to die either way. Something to consider I suppose.
Back to work I go.
I think SVS made a typo-
I think she meant 'blame his Roxy vote on me like >I< made a big case'S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:28 pmLC does not feel towny to me, but he also does not feel bad to me. That one post he made about figuring out how to use powers for town, that felt like old timey town LC. But then trying to blame his Roxy vote on me like a made a big case when i said one line, that struck me as a bit terrifying. so again I DUNNO.