The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:12 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:11 pm let’s just kill a zero poster and move on

We should vote people off in alphabetical order.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:15 pm I think I did this right

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:22 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:06 am I'll also add that being an outed guard isn't that much better than being dead in this setup. If the assassins know not to shoot you, that's one person they can eliminate from their pool for the rest of the game. I think it's a little better than being dead because you can still help town with your vote and the assassins can still tinfoil you, but it sure isn't good.

How could a Guard get outed, though? I guess by leading a strong elimination against an Assassin. Probably one or two players could get cleared once that happens, but nothing is rock-solid, right?

For you and @Foxy

By outed guard, I meant outed as not the King. If you are taken out of the pool of people the assassins could shoot, it doesn't matter that much if you're taken out because you're dead or taken out because you were outed as not the King. You're still one fewer person that could be King.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:40 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:18 am I'm not going to defend myself but I do like explaining game theory and strategy, so I'll do that and selectively respond to this case.

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

I take this post very seriously simply because it gives off "I don't know King" vibes. Because if you knew the King you'd also know that others know the King and as such, it's impossible to vote him out. King may very well be invincible here. This post alone deserves serious consideration on getting voted out.

The problem with defending yourself a lot is that it outs you as not the King. If you get piled on, make a ton of posts defending yourself, and everyone switched to another wagon then you'd just be outed as not the King because you had all that pressure on you and reacted to it like you thought you were going to die. So I'm actually posting that for guards, not the King.

Ok but see my point I was after was that if enough people treat it as the WIFOM game that it is, we can do anything we want!

We can HAVE ketchup in our vanilla ice cream.
We CAN step on a crack and save our mother’s back.

Because everything you’ve stated there can be just as likely.

Like my general philosophy when playing regular mafia is to emulate every game as my town game. Which we all should. But I tend to operate as scum with a distinct type of compartmentalization where I forget that I’m actually scum. Oops! Got lost in the game. Oh baby baby.

I guess it all boils down to how good the king is at also playing the WIFOM game. If they don’t drink wine, for instance, we’re probably hosed

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:04 am Okay so, I saw someone wanting Michelle, Dai, and leetic out. Honest to God I forgot for all three why but I remember them leaning on town side in my head so let's not go there today kay?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:58 am

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 4:46 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:06 am I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

You're not helping your case here

Where is the case?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:00 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:17 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 6:14 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:58 pm Unless nobody can make it here for EoD, I'm not sure what the point of focusing so much on consolidating the vote is?

The king can die in a tie. Consolidation eliminates that possibility. Also if town has multiple serious wagons and cases, that helps pinpoint for the Assassins who the King is NOT.

It's another way of getting info into the thread that can help baddies.

1. This is pinging me to a small degree
2. You are probs overthinking it as either alignment

Hi Foxy, my name is "Overthinks Everything", nice to meet you.

And no I don't think I am.

Lets say you're one of the assassins (for the purposes of this example, this is not an accusation). You know 11 players are NOT assassins, therefore town.

Player A makes a hard case of Player R
Player B makes a hard case on player S
Player C makes a hard case of player T

You know all of these people are town, so they all know who the king is. R, S and T all get votes, these were pretty good cases.

S is yeeted, and flips Guard.

You, the assassins, now know R & T are also guards, and NOT the King. Cause A and C are unlikely to have made a hard case, a case they obvs believed, on their king.

So now your target pool is reduced by 3 people, not just 1.

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 7:27 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 11:12 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine for having like the most middling ISO ever. And of course I am (or was) the most voted person

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:19 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:25 am

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:34 am Okay, preliminary thoughts:

Town: Scotty, Nutella, leetic
Just a bit towny: Daisuke (OMGUS reasons cuz she should have most meta on me...), falcon45aa,
NULL: whoever I didn't mention. Work hard or you'll naturally enter my scum leans.
scum leans: Thunal33, SVS.

Need to reread: Longcon

I feel like keeping you alive for as long as possible is best for town’s interest

Foxy alive, eh...? All right then, you seem like a good chap. I'll sheep you, sir. [VOTE: michelle] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:06 am I was too busy to read everything and I wanted to reach the reason of the votes on me to talk about them.
I still couldn't read that part but I saw Leetic voted me in bad faith and as a good Omguser I will
[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

The two ppl on your wagon both have dumb reasons for voting you. At least Leetic's seems more reasonable. Why are you not voting LC, toDay?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:14 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:07 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:14 am Yeah, 12 vs 3 was the standard when I first started many centuries ago so 11 vs 2 does seem pretty townsided.

Why is Jack always rolling scum?

Oh you missed a semi fake meltdown about this in the last game. It should not have given me a win but it arguably did.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:37 pm Holy wow, I'm the 5th vote on Dai! I guess that's our consolidation?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:24 pm

daisukenowaifuke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:57 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:51 am That doesn’t scan, the meter is more important than the rhyme

I don't know how meter works.
I only know enough words,
to make my rhymes twerk.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:40 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:18 am I'm not going to defend myself but I do like explaining game theory and strategy, so I'll do that and selectively respond to this case.

Foxy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:46 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:08 pm And that means if you are voted, just accept it instead of trying to defend yourself or convincing anyone not to vote you. Don't try to start a counterwagon for self pres either.

I take this post very seriously simply because it gives off "I don't know King" vibes. Because if you knew the King you'd also know that others know the King and as such, it's impossible to vote him out. King may very well be invincible here. This post alone deserves serious consideration on getting voted out.

The problem with defending yourself a lot is that it outs you as not the King. If you get piled on, make a ton of posts defending yourself, and everyone switched to another wagon then you'd just be outed as not the King because you had all that pressure on you and reacted to it like you thought you were going to die. So I'm actually posting that for guards, not the King.

Ok but see my point I was after was that if enough people treat it as the WIFOM game that it is, we can do anything we want!

We can HAVE ketchup in our vanilla ice cream.
We CAN step on a crack and save our mother’s back.

Because everything you’ve stated there can be just as likely.

Like my general philosophy when playing regular mafia is to emulate every game as my town game. Which we all should. But I tend to operate as scum with a distinct type of compartmentalization where I forget that I’m actually scum. Oops! Got lost in the game. Oh baby baby.

I guess it all boils down to how good the king is at also playing the WIFOM game. If they don’t drink wine, for instance, we’re probably hosed

Stepping on a crack breaks your mother's back yo

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 3:24 pm

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:23 pm Guys, I don't like this tie at all and you should know why. May you please change your votes as it's only half an hour before EOD?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:28 pm Foxy did you answer my question?
It was something about your read on Leetic iirc

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:29 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:28 pm Foxy did you answer my question?
It was something about your read on Leetic iirc

I forgot. I did read his 9 posts just moments before now and I think that he is more likely to be town that scum

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:27 pm I am going to sleep but I remembered this game.
When is Eod and what happened until now?

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:29 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:28 pm Foxy did you answer my question?
It was something about your read on Leetic iirc

I forgot. I did read his 9 posts just moments before now and I think that he is more likely to be town that scum

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:38 pm

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:29 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:28 pm Foxy did you answer my question?
It was something about your read on Leetic iirc

I forgot. I did read his 9 posts just moments before now and I think that he is more likely to be town that scum

You think that about everyone but me and Thunal, lol. Whenever someone starts to have a wagon, you pop in and say vague things about how you just read them and now you think they're town.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:08 pm Won't have time to be fully present EoD but I shall check in from time to time. Why am I top wagon here?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:39 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:38 pm

Foxy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:29 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Feb 20, 2025 5:28 pm Foxy did you answer my question?
It was something about your read on Leetic iirc

I forgot. I did read his 9 posts just moments before now and I think that he is more likely to be town that scum

You think that about everyone but me and Thunal, lol. Whenever someone starts to have a wagon, you pop in and say vague things about how you just read them and now you think they're town.

I don't want to suspect Foxy, but this isn't this first time I have been pinged.