The Syndicate

yayayayay congrats epi and roxy

I knew you were bad, Roxy. Rob surprised me.

fingersplints wrote:I protect you Rox you jerk

protected even

I'm not sure why it's over. That was definitely not the combo I was expecting though good game guys

fingersplints wrote:I protect you Rox you jerk

<3 I lub u tho

thellama73 wrote:I knew you were bad, Roxy. Rob surprised me.

Mine is the other way around I thought it was juliets and Epi. but I wasn't good at picking the baddies this game. that first round threw me off

Ok, SVS, really tho, Game mechanics on a new game gets me lynched???

Sorry I was wrong about you Juliet's but I am pleased I was right about Epi.

fingersplints wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I knew you were bad, Roxy. Rob surprised me.

Mine is the other way around I thought it was juliets and Epi. but I wasn't good at picking the baddies this game. that first round threw me off

Oh, I was absolutely terrible. It wasn't until after I had died that I realized about Roxy.

I think these sort of lightning games are REALLY hard for the civs, since there is so little to go on.

i protected you SVS the first night

thellama73 wrote:I knew you were bad, Roxy. Rob surprised me.

jk were you not mentioning it to help the civ's?

Made wrote:Ok, SVS, really tho, Game mechanics on a new game gets me lynched???

For a day one vote I thought it was better than random

Roxy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I knew you were bad, Roxy. Rob surprised me.

jk were you not mentioning it to help the civ's?

I realized it immediately after I died. :P

thellama73 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I knew you were bad, Roxy. Rob surprised me.

Mine is the other way around I thought it was juliets and Epi. but I wasn't good at picking the baddies this game. that first round threw me off

Oh, I was absolutely terrible. It wasn't until after I had died that I realized about Roxy.

I think these sort of lightning games are REALLY hard for the civs, since there is so little to go on.

For future games, I think the Meta will require Civvies to ignore arguments that come at the last 10 minutes, as it seems things said towards the end get votes consistently.

thellama73 wrote:Do tied lynches no result in a death?

No, they would be decided randomly.

But this is a mafia background that I'm used to. If there are equal number mafia and civs at the start of a day phase, then mafia wins. Even if it was a no death, the civs have 0 chance at that point.

sorry I always wanted to use that vid clip for something llama

Made wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I knew you were bad, Roxy. Rob surprised me.

Mine is the other way around I thought it was juliets and Epi. but I wasn't good at picking the baddies this game. that first round threw me off

Oh, I was absolutely terrible. It wasn't until after I had died that I realized about Roxy.

I think these sort of lightning games are REALLY hard for the civs, since there is so little to go on.

For future games, I think the Meta will require Civvies to ignore arguments that come at the last 10 minutes, as it seems things said towards the end get votes consistently.

One thing I hate is the way everone piles on. The first two people to get votes are almost always the top vote getters. Come up with your own opinions, people!

thellama73 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I knew you were bad, Roxy. Rob surprised me.

Mine is the other way around I thought it was juliets and Epi. but I wasn't good at picking the baddies this game. that first round threw me off

Oh, I was absolutely terrible. It wasn't until after I had died that I realized about Roxy.

I think these sort of lightning games are REALLY hard for the civs, since there is so little to go on.

I think not having any abilities at first hindered us too. Not that that is MM's fault. Just something to keep in mind for the next one.
I hate being a vanilla civvie And that whole first night we had no block/protect/check anything so really nothing to help us but our bad lynches.

oh, and btw, the day after thanksgiving doesn't work for me, black friday shoping, plus it's always the day we put up the chirstmas tree.

Also I think i would prefer to have had the linkitis feature. It took me longer to scroll back up and figure out where I had left off then it would have to reviewed what was posted quick.

Civilians

fingersplints
juliets
Made
MovingPictures
SVS
thellama

Baddies

Epignosis
Roxy



Night 1

MP blocked fingers
juliets protected SVS
Epi killed MP (taking the roleblock with him)

Night 2

fingersplints protected Roxy
Epi killed juliets



And that was that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Do tied lynches no result in a death?

No, they would be decided randomly.

But this is a mafia background that I'm used to. If there are equal number mafia and civs at the start of a day phase, then mafia wins. Even if it was a no death, the civs have 0 chance at that point.

Flase. If SVS and Splints voted for Roxy and Rox and Epig voted for SVS, and the ranomizer picked Rox, the night phase would have started 2 civs, 1 baddie. The civs could have been protected or the baddies could have ben blocked, and even if not, the following day lynch would have been a 1 v. 1 tie, which could have gone to the civs. Unlikely, but greater than 0 by a wide margin.

oh there were some abilities night 1 just not many :/

fingersplints wrote:Also I think i would prefer to have had the linkitis feature. It took me longer to scroll back up and figure out where I had left off then it would have to reviewed what was posted quick.

Agreed.

When I first heard of it, I didn't think this model would be very fun. I had a ball, MM. Thanks for hosting and asking me to play.

If MP had the role block, why did he flip vanilla?

(sorry if it sounds like I'm nit picking. I had a great, great time. Just curious.)

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Civilians

fingersplints
juliets
Made
MovingPictures
SVS
thellama

Baddies

Epignosis
Roxy



Night 1

MP blocked fingers
juliets protected SVS
Epi killed MP (taking the roleblock with him)

Night 2

fingersplints protected Roxy
Epi killed juliets



And that was that.

I could not help but win being a civ and a baddie

thellama73 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Also I think i would prefer to have had the linkitis feature. It took me longer to scroll back up and figure out where I had left off then it would have to reviewed what was posted quick.

Agreed.

thirded

lol Rox that is the greatest.

personally, I prefer scrolling up to being stuck in linki hell, but that's just me.

fingersplints wrote:I think not having any abilities at first hindered us too. Not that that is MM's fault. Just something to keep in mind for the next one.
I hate being a vanilla civvie And that whole first night we had no block/protect/check anything so really nothing to help us but our bad lynches.

This is as basic as mafia can get, though the rotating roles were an extra flavor SVS had suggested.

Normally, 7 civilians would be ideal, because you then at least get a Day 3 (assuming you don't lynch 2 baddies before that) With this setup, it is almost an equal chance of victory for either side.

With how rapid the game progressed, reading players is difficult. Often you have to resort to gut, because you're too busy reading posts and responding to do any effective scumhunting. But again, finding a good strategy to find baddies like this would work too. These are my thoughts anyway.

Roxy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Civilians

fingersplints
juliets
Made
MovingPictures
SVS
thellama

Baddies

Epignosis
Roxy



Night 1

MP blocked fingers
juliets protected SVS
Epi killed MP (taking the roleblock with him)

Night 2

fingersplints protected Roxy
Epi killed juliets



And that was that.

I could not help but win being a civ and a baddie

I waved my magic wand and now you look crazy!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I think not having any abilities at first hindered us too. Not that that is MM's fault. Just something to keep in mind for the next one.
I hate being a vanilla civvie And that whole first night we had no block/protect/check anything so really nothing to help us but our bad lynches.

This is as basic as mafia can get, though the rotating roles were an extra flavor SVS had suggested.

Normally, 7 civilians would be ideal, because you then at least get a Day 3 (assuming you don't lynch 2 baddies before that) With this setup, it is almost an equal chance of victory for either side.

With how rapid the game progressed, reading players is difficult. Often you have to resort to gut, because you're too busy reading posts and responding to do any effective scumhunting. But again, finding a good strategy to find baddies like this would work too. These are my thoughts anyway.

I just hate not having an ability. I already don't like being a civvie and than I see vanilla

It happens. If we had lucked into finding a mafia day 1 it all would have been different. We should have stuck to the lynching Boogs scheme

thellama73 wrote:If MP had the role block, why did he flip vanilla?

(sorry if it sounds like I'm nit picking. I had a great, great time. Just curious.)

MP didn't flip as anything. But he was an obvious civvie since he was NK'd.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:If MP had the role block, why did he flip vanilla?

(sorry if it sounds like I'm nit picking. I had a great, great time. Just curious.)

MP didn't flip as anything. But he was an obvious civvie since he was NK'd.

Good point. Now get to my other obnoxious post about endgame possibilities.

fingersplints wrote:I already don't like being a civvie and than I see vanilla

You just love the btsc


oh and ofc the bloodletting always pleases you

I actually don't mind vanilla. Gives me less to keep track of.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:If MP had the role block, why did he flip vanilla?

(sorry if it sounds like I'm nit picking. I had a great, great time. Just curious.)

MP didn't flip as anything. But he was an obvious civvie since he was NK'd.

Good point. Now get to my other obnoxious post about endgame possibilities.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Do tied lynches no result in a death?

No, they would be decided randomly.

But this is a mafia background that I'm used to. If there are equal number mafia and civs at the start of a day phase, then mafia wins. Even if it was a no death, the civs have 0 chance at that point.

Flase. If SVS and Splints voted for Roxy and Rox and Epig voted for SVS, and the ranomizer picked Rox, the night phase would have started 2 civs, 1 baddie. The civs could have been protected or the baddies could have ben blocked, and even if not, the following day lynch would have been a 1 v. 1 tie, which could have gone to the civs. Unlikely, but greater than 0 by a wide margin.

I know, but being that the mafia reduced the civs numbers down to equal their own, it would be most unfortunate for the baddies to have almost certain victory snatched from them by chance, considering they played the better game up to the point. They played the game better, so they get the win. This is the reasoning I am accustomed to. I am open to change, such as no lynches for a tie, or even a no lynch option. But that would be for a later game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Civilians

fingersplints
juliets
Made
MovingPictures
SVS
thellama

Baddies

Epignosis
Roxy



Night 1

MP blocked fingers
juliets protected SVS
Epi killed MP (taking the roleblock with him)

Night 2

fingersplints protected Roxy
Epi killed juliets



And that was that.

I could not help but win being a civ and a baddie

I waved my magic wand and now you look crazy!

Your a Newt now who is crazy?

Roxy wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I already don't like being a civvie and than I see vanilla

You just love the btsc


oh and ofc the bloodletting always pleases you

I think I am just a natural baddie. Being a civvie is too stressful to me and no one believes me. When I am bad I get suspected much less

Well, this was fun! Sorry splints, guess we were wrong!

thellama73 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Also I think i would prefer to have had the linkitis feature. It took me longer to scroll back up and figure out where I had left off then it would have to reviewed what was posted quick.

Agreed.

Made wrote:personally, I prefer scrolling up to being stuck in linki hell, but that's just me.

Duly noted.

fingersplints wrote:

Roxy wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I already don't like being a civvie and than I see vanilla

You just love the btsc


oh and ofc the bloodletting always pleases you

I think I am just a natural baddie. Being a civvie is too stressful to me and no one believes me. When I am bad I get suspected much less

I just knew you were civ this game ----

I kind of had a feeling Rox was bad once I died but even if I had lived I'm not sure how I would have expounded on it.

And thanks much for hosting, MM!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Do tied lynches no result in a death?

No, they would be decided randomly.

But this is a mafia background that I'm used to. If there are equal number mafia and civs at the start of a day phase, then mafia wins. Even if it was a no death, the civs have 0 chance at that point.

Flase. If SVS and Splints voted for Roxy and Rox and Epig voted for SVS, and the ranomizer picked Rox, the night phase would have started 2 civs, 1 baddie. The civs could have been protected or the baddies could have ben blocked, and even if not, the following day lynch would have been a 1 v. 1 tie, which could have gone to the civs. Unlikely, but greater than 0 by a wide margin.

I know, but being that the mafia reduced the civs numbers down to equal their own, it would be most unfortunate for the baddies to have almost certain victory snatched from them by chance, considering they played the better game up to the point. They played the game better, so they get the win. This is the reasoning I am accustomed to. I am open to change, such as no lynches for a tie, or even a no lynch option. But that would be for a later game.

Well, I disagree. I think the game should continue as long as there's a chance for either team to win, especially given the significant handicap imposed on civs by the tight time limit (what is chance? Isn't it chance that we didn't correctly guess who the baddies were and lynch them, to a certain extent?) But your game, your rules.

fingersplints wrote:I just hate not having an ability. I already don't like being a civvie and than I see vanilla

It happens. If we had lucked into finding a mafia day 1 it all would have been different. We should have stuck to the lynching Boogs scheme

In my honest opinion though, I understand 15 minutes is not much time to decide who to use your night action on. Now imagine having to coordinate 6 civvies and 2 baddies night actions in that same 15 minute period by yourself.

SVS suggested the idea of cycling the power roles for civs. I incorporated that idea, so if you didn't get a power the first day, you still might the second day.

Thanks for voicing your opinion though. I thought the speed of the game would make up for getting a plain role. I was wrong. So we will come up with some other ideas for next time for sure.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Do tied lynches no result in a death?

No, they would be decided randomly.

But this is a mafia background that I'm used to. If there are equal number mafia and civs at the start of a day phase, then mafia wins. Even if it was a no death, the civs have 0 chance at that point.

Flase. If SVS and Splints voted for Roxy and Rox and Epig voted for SVS, and the ranomizer picked Rox, the night phase would have started 2 civs, 1 baddie. The civs could have been protected or the baddies could have ben blocked, and even if not, the following day lynch would have been a 1 v. 1 tie, which could have gone to the civs. Unlikely, but greater than 0 by a wide margin.

I know, but being that the mafia reduced the civs numbers down to equal their own, it would be most unfortunate for the baddies to have almost certain victory snatched from them by chance, considering they played the better game up to the point. They played the game better, so they get the win. This is the reasoning I am accustomed to. I am open to change, such as no lynches for a tie, or even a no lynch option. But that would be for a later game.

We generally let it go down to the wire, or until outnumbered. Like with the block dead with MP, I would have let it go one more cycle. Had we lynched a civ, I would have ended it then.

I can't wait for the next one - what will it be 2 turkeys against the pilgrims?

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Thanks for voicing your opinion though. I thought the speed of the game would make up for getting a plain role. I was wrong. So we will come up with some other ideas for next time for sure.

I don't agree with splintsy on this. I think the vanilla roles were fine and appropriate.