Re: The Flash: Battle for the Gem Cities (Day 1)
Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:17 pm
For the record, Elohcin was a baddie without BTSC in Death Note, but she posted quite a bit (for her) in that game.
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AceofSpaces wrote:Hello everyone! I wanted to come in and post yesterday but I got distracted by Bloodborne. Damn that game is fun.
My thoughts as they stand:
1. I'm not convinced that Epi is right about Elo. The pool of post he's drawn his conclusion from is too small. I'd need more time and more from Elo to make up my mind. That being said, I don't think Epi is bad.
2. I'm inclined to agree with DH on llama. If I didn't already have a strong suspect for today, I might have voted for him.
3. I think S~V~S is a baddie. Here's one reason.
Like...you did?S~V~S wrote:I am sure that at some point he will say it's a ploy to see who jumped on his vote/suspicion or something like that yadda yadda yadda.
That is a quote she made about Epi and his suspicion of Elo, in case anyone needed context. I think this post was made as a way for S~V~S to get ahead of things in case Epi does go that route. She intentionally downplays the possibility, because she's only just now realizing how seriously bad it would make her look if that is what Epi did come out and say. This combined with the, as Epi put it, 'loaded questions' and misrepresentation she's put on Epi's post makes me think she is a baddie.
The Same.Metalmarsh89 wrote:DH, how do you feel about llama now?
Linki: I stand corrected.
Let me finish my read back and I will go get some quotes for you.birdwithteeth11 wrote:To be fair, he spent most of his Day 0 talking about monkeys and in OT banter about the game's theme in a joking manner. Like most people did.DharmaHelper wrote:I don't think he's a civvie. I don't like his whole Day 0 schtick, it got annoying very quickly. Also, I noticed he didn't berate anyone for any logical fallacies throughout the entire duration of Day 0. People were jumping to conclusions all over the place and Llama did not voice any opposition to it.Spacedaisy wrote:Did you want to?
Which logical fallacies are you referring to?
Mostly the speculation on the meaning of the letters, like the above. I expected llama to jump in and beat the shit out of the speculation like it owed him money. He didn't. That's suspect.blindfaeth wrote:Hello!Made wrote:Hello friend, I don't think we've met before!blindfaeth wrote:We can do stuff now. Namely, day 0 is a period of time we can use to get a feel for players before day 1 so were less likely to mislynch. You're not trying to hide are you?ika wrote:Picked mine, tell me when day 1 begins and we can actually do stuff.![]()
Regardless, welcome to our forum. Did you have a reason for voting L?
Oh, Comic nerd people, any clue what the letters might mean? How many Gems are there? 5? could that possibly be what the poll determines?
Personally, I like the inferred theory from LC that the voted letter may be revealed to us from the secrets in roles. Ie, if you believe that theory, you don't want to vote for the less commonly occurring letters in the alphabet.
Also, did you see anything interesting in the roles to point out, since that was your self-assigned task from your first post?
SVS has played on KSite. On that site they do rvs's and changable votes. So I think she may already know this. Maybe she just did not put 2 and 2 together. It has been awhile since she played there.blindfaeth wrote:Also @svs, I think I know why ikr voted for you lol. I'm playing mafia on this new site, they call day one early votes the RVS or random voting stage. Ika typed your name as rvs. Just thought I'd point it out, since I noticed
I definitely don't think you have BTSC with Epi, because if you did he would be telling you to ramp down your defensiveness.Bullzeye wrote:I said people are taking jokes too seriously. You seemingly saw that as "BF is a baddie because he's questioning Epi" and then said "Oh, are you and Epi teammates again then?". That to me looks like a pre-emptive NO U just in case I decided to build a case against you later on. Which I still don't plan on doing, just in case you're worried.blindfaeth wrote:I didn't need to defend, I was on the attack. You're being nonsensical. How did I do a no u? I pointed out something suspicious you did and suspected you for it. The very definition of a no u is that you suspected me first.
Get on the offensive, don't stay on the defensive. lolthellama73 wrote:I definitely don't think you have BTSC with Epi, because if you did he would be telling you to ramp down your defensiveness.Bullzeye wrote:I said people are taking jokes too seriously. You seemingly saw that as "BF is a baddie because he's questioning Epi" and then said "Oh, are you and Epi teammates again then?". That to me looks like a pre-emptive NO U just in case I decided to build a case against you later on. Which I still don't plan on doing, just in case you're worried.blindfaeth wrote:I didn't need to defend, I was on the attack. You're being nonsensical. How did I do a no u? I pointed out something suspicious you did and suspected you for it. The very definition of a no u is that you suspected me first.
I'm always defensive. Especially when faced with incredibly ridiculous accusations.thellama73 wrote:I definitely don't think you have BTSC with Epi, because if you did he would be telling you to ramp down your defensiveness.Bullzeye wrote:I said people are taking jokes too seriously. You seemingly saw that as "BF is a baddie because he's questioning Epi" and then said "Oh, are you and Epi teammates again then?". That to me looks like a pre-emptive NO U just in case I decided to build a case against you later on. Which I still don't plan on doing, just in case you're worried.blindfaeth wrote:I didn't need to defend, I was on the attack. You're being nonsensical. How did I do a no u? I pointed out something suspicious you did and suspected you for it. The very definition of a no u is that you suspected me first.
So are you saying you do have BTSC with Epi?Bullzeye wrote:I'm always defensive. Especially when faced with incredibly ridiculous accusations.thellama73 wrote:I definitely don't think you have BTSC with Epi, because if you did he would be telling you to ramp down your defensiveness.Bullzeye wrote:I said people are taking jokes too seriously. You seemingly saw that as "BF is a baddie because he's questioning Epi" and then said "Oh, are you and Epi teammates again then?". That to me looks like a pre-emptive NO U just in case I decided to build a case against you later on. Which I still don't plan on doing, just in case you're worried.blindfaeth wrote:I didn't need to defend, I was on the attack. You're being nonsensical. How did I do a no u? I pointed out something suspicious you did and suspected you for it. The very definition of a no u is that you suspected me first.
Who would you prefer me to suspect and why?rabbit8 wrote:lol, you guys are ridiculous. Do you say the same things over and over ad nauseam every day 1 and suspect the same people every day 1for the same things just to annoy me?????????????
FZ. wrote: Next up, llama
He's claiming that he couldn't fall asleep because he was thinking about one post from Bullz that wouldn't leave him alone. llama, a regular Sherlock Homes losing sleep over a case. Something is bothering him about one sentence and he can't let go, until he solves the great mystery.thellama73 wrote:I was trying to go to sleep, but this post kept gnawing away at my brain until I finally realized why. Why does Bullz word his response in this way? Why does he say "I always play my baddie game"? Why not "I always play my civvie game" or "My baddie game and my civvie game look just alike"?Bullzeye wrote: Did you see the part in btsc where I said I always play my baddie game because it's the only game I know? Did you see the part in this game where I've been helpful and nice and given everyone the benefit of the doubt? All I've said this entire game amounts to "sometimes a joke is just a joke". What do you mean looking for people who know they are bad? Everyone knows their role. Everyone knows if they're good or bad as far as I can tell.
If he always plays his baddie game, that means he is playing it now. Why would anyone admit to playing their baddie game? Keeping my psychologist hat on for a moment, I think Bullz is being betrayed by his subconscious. Maybe even, on some deep level, he wants to get caught.
I'm going to go ahead and place my vote on him for now.
S~V~S wrote:Yup we practiced for years and perfected our routine knowing you would show up, just waiting to be annoyed.
thellama73 wrote:Who would you prefer me to suspect and why?rabbit8 wrote:lol, you guys are ridiculous. Do you say the same things over and over ad nauseam every day 1 and suspect the same people every day 1for the same things just to annoy me?????????????
Mr. Bullzeye, you are trying to seduce me, aren't you?Bullzeye wrote:Very subtle. I didn't mention either of you by name and was referring to other events as well. Seriously, that comment is having so much read into it it's like being in the main forums back on LP. It wasn't meant to downplay, defend, protect, squash discussion, offend, seduce, or defame. It was simply my only worthwhile thought after catching up on the events of day zero so far.blindfaeth wrote:No. I saw it as "Bullzeye is a baddie subtly downplaying my assertion and protecting epi"Bullzeye wrote:I said people are taking jokes too seriously. You seemingly saw that as "BF is a baddie because he's questioning Epi" and then said "Oh, are you and Epi teammates again then?". That to me looks like a pre-emptive NO U just in case I decided to build a case against you later on. Which I still don't plan on doing, just in case you're worried.blindfaeth wrote:I didn't need to defend, I was on the attack. You're being nonsensical. How did I do a no u? I pointed out something suspicious you did and suspected you for it. The very definition of a no u is that you suspected me first.
I said you're "supposed" to be narrow minded because that's how you go after people when you're a civvie. I've learned first handthellama73 wrote:FZ, how is my suspicion of Bullz "narrow minded"? Am I supposed to throw out four or five names I find suspicious? I don't have that many pings yet. Is everyone else who has already voted equally narrow minded? Am I supposed to have changed my mind on Bullz based on his response? If you recall, I predicted exactly what his response would be in my initial post, so why would he saying what I knew he would say change my opinion?
I believe you. But it is still true that blindfaeth dropped some of the information about the will before Day 0 had ended, so all I'm trying to say is that something happened on a Day 0.Black Rock wrote:Get on the offensive, don't stay on the defensive. lolthellama73 wrote:I definitely don't think you have BTSC with Epi, because if you did he would be telling you to ramp down your defensiveness.Bullzeye wrote:I said people are taking jokes too seriously. You seemingly saw that as "BF is a baddie because he's questioning Epi" and then said "Oh, are you and Epi teammates again then?". That to me looks like a pre-emptive NO U just in case I decided to build a case against you later on. Which I still don't plan on doing, just in case you're worried.blindfaeth wrote:I didn't need to defend, I was on the attack. You're being nonsensical. How did I do a no u? I pointed out something suspicious you did and suspected you for it. The very definition of a no u is that you suspected me first.
MM - I did not receive my item until the end of day 0 in that game.
Right now I am mostly looking at Bullz.
What would having BTSC with Epignosis prove?thellama73 wrote:So are you saying you do have BTSC with Epi?Bullzeye wrote:I'm always defensive. Especially when faced with incredibly ridiculous accusations.thellama73 wrote:I definitely don't think you have BTSC with Epi, because if you did he would be telling you to ramp down your defensiveness.Bullzeye wrote:I said people are taking jokes too seriously. You seemingly saw that as "BF is a baddie because he's questioning Epi" and then said "Oh, are you and Epi teammates again then?". That to me looks like a pre-emptive NO U just in case I decided to build a case against you later on. Which I still don't plan on doing, just in case you're worried.blindfaeth wrote:I didn't need to defend, I was on the attack. You're being nonsensical. How did I do a no u? I pointed out something suspicious you did and suspected you for it. The very definition of a no u is that you suspected me first.
I don't suspect you.rabbit8 wrote:S~V~S wrote:Yup we practiced for years and perfected our routine knowing you would show up, just waiting to be annoyed.![]()
thellama73 wrote:Who would you prefer me to suspect and why?rabbit8 wrote:lol, you guys are ridiculous. Do you say the same things over and over ad nauseam every day 1 and suspect the same people every day 1for the same things just to annoy me?????????????
Everyone except me.
It would prove that they both have roles that have BTSC, which narrows things down considerably.Metalmarsh89 wrote: What would having BTSC with Epignosis prove?
Not necessarily.FZ. wrote: I didn't say this is what you're doing now, but rather that you're trying to look like you are. Still, for what it's worth, if you tell someone this is how they are going to react, and they are bad, wouldn't they try to do something else to make you rethink?
And to add to this note, Elohcin did have potential for BTSC in Death Note.Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record, Elohcin was a baddie without BTSC in Death Note, but she posted quite a bit (for her) in that game.
Elohcin had BTSC in Death Note. She outed herself to her enemy.Metalmarsh89 wrote:And to add to this note, Elohcin did have potential for BTSC in Death Note.Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record, Elohcin was a baddie without BTSC in Death Note, but she posted quite a bit (for her) in that game.
I've said that I don't think she's read any of the role descriptions but her own.Long Con wrote:Did Epig speak about Eloh's likely behaviour when she has potential for BTSC? My recollection is that he's really pushing how unlikely it is that she's one of those Old Rogues, while simultaneously pushing the idea that she's a New Rogue... but those roles have a very similar potential for BTSC.
And there seems to be seven roles that have no potential for BTSC, and four of them are ones we don't want to lynch.
And it's probably not worth mentioning that EVERYONE has potential for BTSC via the Map, since that's kind of random and fleeting for the most part.
I stillEpignosis wrote:Elohcin had BTSC in Death Note. She outed herself to her enemy.Metalmarsh89 wrote:And to add to this note, Elohcin did have potential for BTSC in Death Note.Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record, Elohcin was a baddie without BTSC in Death Note, but she posted quite a bit (for her) in that game.
Touche.Epignosis wrote:Elohcin had BTSC in Death Note. She outed herself to her enemy.Metalmarsh89 wrote:And to add to this note, Elohcin did have potential for BTSC in Death Note.Metalmarsh89 wrote:For the record, Elohcin was a baddie without BTSC in Death Note, but she posted quite a bit (for her) in that game.
First of all, I love this guy already, because of the "I believe in me!" text in his picture.Mister Rearranger wrote:Rainbow Raider – He targets a player each night to fire a beam of colored light at. If the beam hits an Old or Independent Rogue whose signature color matches the beam, ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~S~ ~~~ ~ ~~~. If these conditions are not met, ~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~s~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~.
I agree, I think this is an awesome analysis and Blue seems like a good bet; blue is supposed to be the most popular color in the world, and it would seem that that is the case for superheroes, too.Long Con wrote:First of all, I love this guy already, because of the "I believe in me!" text in his picture.Mister Rearranger wrote:Rainbow Raider – He targets a player each night to fire a beam of colored light at. If the beam hits an Old or Independent Rogue whose signature color matches the beam, ~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~S~ ~~~ ~ ~~~. If these conditions are not met, ~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~s~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~ ~~~.
Here's my solution for the first part of his tildes: "If the beam hits an Old or Independent Rogue whose signature color matches the beam, the two will gain BTSC for a day."
So, I thought it might be helpful to the Rainbow Raider if we talk about who has what signature colour. To preface, the colours of the rainbow are red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. Indigo, despite being, like, the best colour, is often left out. And violet is also called purple in the Common tongue.
Here's my analysis:
Captain Cold: Blue (even though his coat looks greenish in the pic... cold is blue, seems logical)
Heat Wave: Orange or yellow?
Mirror Master: Looks like orange, secondary colour is green.
Weather Wizard: Green, secondary yellow.
Trickster: Most likely blue, secondary yellow.
Golden Glider: Gold... but probably yellow.
Captain Boomerang - Blue
Abra Kadabra - Blue?
Dr Alchemy - Green, secondary blue
Magenta - Violet
Folded Man - Blue
So... my conclusion is that it would be most beneficial to Rainbow Raider and the Old/Independent Rogues if he sticks with blue as his main beam choice, because it seems like it's the most common "signature colour". That should result in the greatest likelihood of BTSC that will narrow down the baddies. And we don't need to worry about Heat Wave, because hooking up with Captain Cold would be just as good since they have BTSC by nature.
I don't know how much the Rainbow Raider knows about the colour beams he can choose. Maybe he's allowed to choose colours like brown, fuchsia, black, silver, and pale greenish-yellow.Maybe the signature colours are different - maybe Abra Kadabra's is black, and just looks blue due to the highlights on his costume.
Dammit, this is what happens when you lose a post. I lost the first version of this post, and had to rewrite it. EBWOPLong Con wrote:My vote is going to Llama, not that it will matter much for now, for playing the "just like Civvie Llama in X-Men" card too hard. I also thought that the post about other ways Llama is "acting too Civvie-Llama" was a good read.
Long Con wrote:My vote is going to Llama, not that it will matter much for now, for playing the "just like Civvie Llama in X-Men" too hard. I also thought that the post about other ways Llama is "acting too Civvie-Llama" was a good read.
blindfaeth wrote:Long Con wrote:My vote is going to Llama, not that it will matter much for now, for playing the "just like Civvie Llama in X-Men" too hard. I also thought that the post about other ways Llama is "acting too Civvie-Llama" was a good read.
I nearly spat out my drink on this one.S~V~S wrote:Yup we practiced for years and perfected our routine knowing you would show up, just waiting to be annoyed.
Black Rock wrote:I nearly spat out my drink on this one.S~V~S wrote:Yup we practiced for years and perfected our routine knowing you would show up, just waiting to be annoyed.
Epignosis wrote:I've said that I don't think she's read any of the role descriptions but her own.Long Con wrote:Did Epig speak about Eloh's likely behaviour when she has potential for BTSC? My recollection is that he's really pushing how unlikely it is that she's one of those Old Rogues, while simultaneously pushing the idea that she's a New Rogue... but those roles have a very similar potential for BTSC.
And there seems to be seven roles that have no potential for BTSC, and four of them are ones we don't want to lynch.
And it's probably not worth mentioning that EVERYONE has potential for BTSC via the Map, since that's kind of random and fleeting for the most part.
blindfaeth wrote:Long Con wrote:My vote is going to Llama, not that it will matter much for now, for playing the "just like Civvie Llama in X-Men" too hard. I also thought that the post about other ways Llama is "acting too Civvie-Llama" was a good read.
Long Con wrote:blindfaeth wrote:Long Con wrote:My vote is going to Llama, not that it will matter much for now, for playing the "just like Civvie Llama in X-Men" too hard. I also thought that the post about other ways Llama is "acting too Civvie-Llama" was a good read.
Would either of you like to explain this interaction?blindfaeth wrote:
There's always something about Eloh that catches my eye. I'd not have married her otherwise.Turnip Head wrote:Epi, has anything other than Elo caught your eye so far?
Black Rock wrote:Epignosis wrote:I've said that I don't think she's read any of the role descriptions but her own.Long Con wrote:Did Epig speak about Eloh's likely behaviour when she has potential for BTSC? My recollection is that he's really pushing how unlikely it is that she's one of those Old Rogues, while simultaneously pushing the idea that she's a New Rogue... but those roles have a very similar potential for BTSC.
And there seems to be seven roles that have no potential for BTSC, and four of them are ones we don't want to lynch.
And it's probably not worth mentioning that EVERYONE has potential for BTSC via the Map, since that's kind of random and fleeting for the most part.
As a fellow Mafia wife I don't like your assumptions here. Maybe she's playing it cool. LC can't always read me and certainly couldn't make assumptions this early in a game. Quite possibly she's out playing you here.
For future reference, I am not defending Eloh here, I'm just sticking it to the man.