The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:TinyBubbles just committed another drive by vote...

How is this acceptable? If she's a civilian at this point then she's clearly a liability, unwilling to even post her suspicions as she votes for them. Hopefully she's just a lazy mafia.

She gets my vote. Just popping in before teaching, so apologies in advance for my absence today. Long day ahead of me

Made wrote:To further elaborate on Ice Bear's "reads" game, as Ice Bear see it, Either Elo is mafia or Boo is mafia, but not both. This of course means that at least one player is currently fooling Ice Bear.
Further thinking required.

FZ. wrote:I just feel that a baddie would be a lot more conscious of what they're doing than a civvie would. I wouldn't be caught dead with a drive by vote. In contrast, Eloh keeps trying to explain her actions with defence, which comes off as really fishy. But it seems like she's trying and it doesn't seem genuine.

linki:

Russtifinko wrote:

FZ. wrote:I just feel that a baddie would be a lot more conscious of what they're doing than a civvie would. I wouldn't be caught dead with a drive by vote. In contrast, Eloh keeps trying to explain her actions with defence, which comes off as really fishy. But it seems like she's trying and it doesn't seem genuine.

linki:

Yeah, this makes sense to me. It's just tough haha. I feel like either COULD be genuine, but that at least one of the two probably isn't. My guess would be that it's Tiny, so I'mma vote for her.

FZ. wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Hmmm, I see there are only 5 votes left to be cast.

FZ., if we were to assume Elo were civvie, just for the sake of argument, where else could you have seen your vote going?

Also, as a more general question, why did everyone seem to get LESS suspicious of me when I stopped talking? I mean, I'll take it, it just seems weird.

First of all, Fingersplints latest posts come off as more genuine. Her first day pinge was mostly because one post which when she replied to back then, didn't do anything to change my mind. The second day, it was between llama and Daisy for me, but then when forced to put my gut to the test by MP's game, I decided I wasn't ready to vote for neither of them, so I went back to Splints. It wasn't a good vote, but it was 3 am for me, and I was all over the place with confusion. So based on the last day and the fact that many people were saying she was bad, yet none of those people are dead, I'd say I'm feeling a lot better about her.

If Eloh is civ, she's playing one crappy civ game, no offence. So my vote is on her. I am very interested in hearing llama, because he's one I don't trust at the moment, though with circumstances being the way they are, I can see him doing what he did as a civ.
Lorab's actions have bothered me this day. It feels like she's not genuine. So maybe my vote would go there.

And I can't answer for others, but for me, I can't see you being such a lazy mafia. I guess I expect more from you either way, but when others depend on you for their win, I can't see you not being here that much.

Russtifinko wrote:Sorry for the Wall O' Text, there.

LoRab, if fingers and/or Tiny were to flip good, would you then be after Lacey? I'm reading her as your #3 suspect right now.

FZ. wrote:
Eloh- She's the obvious choice for a vote to me. She's busy defending herself instead of looking for baddies. Her choices for voting are horrible, and she does voice suspicion, it's for the easiest target in the game. The only thing that's making me question myself is that maybe she's doing too bad to actually be bad. But she's an option at the moment.
*Snip*
MP- Hmm. I don't know whether to trust my initial instincts that this is just civ MP doing what I expect him to do, or if he's trying to throw some reverse psychology at us with his self vote on the first day, and how he was surprised not more people thought he was suspicious. I'm also surprised by the TB vote. I know she deserves it as a player, but does he really think that she's just a lazy mafia? I've seen civ MP use this sort of logic to justify a vote I thought was wrong, but I expect more from him. So not sure about him.

FZ. wrote:. I just wish people's reasoning for voting would be based on more than what I've seen so far. I feel like ever since my voiced suspicion on Splints, she's become a bandwagon easy to hop on.
Here, she just contributed something. Does that change anything for you? And how about all other people who haven't contributed anything, like Eloh, Russ, TB and anyone else. Why didn't you vote for them?

Russtifinko wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:TinyBubbles just committed another drive by vote...

How is this acceptable? If she's a civilian at this point then she's clearly a liability, unwilling to even post her suspicions as she votes for them. Hopefully she's just a lazy mafia.

She gets my vote. Just popping in before teaching, so apologies in advance for my absence today. Long day ahead of me

This is a bit hypocritical, Mr. Double Self-Voter. lol

FZ. wrote:RIP Boo Even though I wasn't 100% sure you were a civ, you are definitely a loss for the game.

I'm not sure I agree with voting for Bubbles. Even though her drive by votes are seriously annoying, I don't think it's enough to make me vote for her. If she's a lazy mafia, like MP thinks, then I'd rather find a different mafia. In my book, if you lose to a non participant baddie, it's like you win, because that's just lame. It's bad when you're a civvie too, but non participant players help the baddies, and not the other way around. Just my two cents on the matter. If she ends up being bad, we've taken another civvie down.


Now, can we just once make a thought out lynch?

I'm going to go over the players again.

FZ. wrote:Elo's suspicion is so convenient. But I'm going to look at others as well.

LoRab wrote:Hopping in to say hi. In the midst of a summer cold, which is no fun at all. And awake moments are ability to think are both fairly low right now. Not sure where my vote will go. Splints is possible--other than agreeing on MM and then saying she wasn't being blendy, she hasn't said much. Which sounds more like baddie splints than civie splints. Tiny Bubbles seems like an easy set up because of the drive by votes, but also that is suspicious--and folks have made a good point about non-participation. Elo, I have no idea--need to try to reread her posts. Lacey, still unsure about. She's pinged me, for sure, but it could just be newness.

Russtifinko wrote:Blooper's non-matching number of mafia feels civ-isn to me in and of itself. I actually find it slightly suspicious that Made (it was Made, right?) had exactly 4 baddie hunches. That feels calculated, like it's something a baddie would think about during the game to avoid looking weird, while a civ might not care so much. MP, can you elaborate on whether anything like that has helped in The Game before? And in general on what results you've seen from it? Is it generally used for immediate results, or do you let things play out a few days to see where a baddie might be bussing or buddying or whatever?

lipsticklacey wrote:I apologize for missing the vote. Our cable/internet went out around four, and we just got it back. Will catch up on everyone's posts.

RIP, TinyBubbles

FZ. wrote: I can't really say I'm surprised. I believe we've lost 4 civvies already. And once again, the reason for voting TB sucked. I'm suspicious of everyone who voted for her. Heck, I'm suspicious of everyone.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote: I can't really say I'm surprised. I believe we've lost 4 civvies already. And once again, the reason for voting TB sucked. I'm suspicious of everyone who voted for her. Heck, I'm suspicious of everyone.

I know the feel... many players, myself included, have been acting objectively suspiciously this game.

I'm very sad about the result, but I do think D3 gave us some valuable information.

Do you want to talk out some suspicions? It's possible one of us will die tonight, seeing as though we're the most talkative players left.

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote: I can't really say I'm surprised. I believe we've lost 4 civvies already. And once again, the reason for voting TB sucked. I'm suspicious of everyone who voted for her. Heck, I'm suspicious of everyone.

I know the feel... many players, myself included, have been acting objectively suspiciously this game.

I'm very sad about the result, but I do think D3 gave us some valuable information.

Do you want to talk out some suspicions? It's possible one of us will die tonight, seeing as though we're the most talkative players left.

Sure, let's talk. What valuable information do you think it gave us?


MM, why do you think it makes llama look better?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Bye TinyBubbles, see you next game.

I think we should lynch fingersplints tomorrow. I imagine llama will make a reappearance too. TinyBubbles flipping civilian makes him look better, I think.

Elohcin wrote: I thought you were joking when you brought up me possibly being bad b/c I am Simon's mom. Honestly, whenever Simon or Epi hosts, I get to pick my role. Whenever I host, Epi picks his. So, now the question is....what role did Eloh pick? You could get really into it and go look back at all the games Epi has hosted and see who I was in each game. But you really don't need to. I pick civ sometimes, I pick baddie sometimes. I am not partial either way. I usually pick by looking at the role descriptions. I won't go into specifics of what kinds of roles I like and don't like. I wouldn't want to be accused of outing myself. But, I have divulged this information before. Also, I probably don't pick roles that you would guess. In fact, in my last game that I played, I picked what Epi said was his least favorite role. He was surprised I picked it All this to say, :P shame on you if you try to make a case for me being baddie b/c I am the hosts mom. If you can't come up with anything better than that, you must not be a very good mafia player.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote: I can't really say I'm surprised. I believe we've lost 4 civvies already. And once again, the reason for voting TB sucked. I'm suspicious of everyone who voted for her. Heck, I'm suspicious of everyone.

I know the feel... many players, myself included, have been acting objectively suspiciously this game.

I'm very sad about the result, but I do think D3 gave us some valuable information.

Do you want to talk out some suspicions? It's possible one of us will die tonight, seeing as though we're the most talkative players left.

Sure, let's talk. What valuable information do you think it gave us?


MM, why do you think it makes llama look better?

It told us that Made is bad.

Look at this here. During the game, Made was one of only two players to say TinyBubbles was civilian. Yet he jumped on the wagon yesterday despite elaborating thoroughly that he heavily suspects me and you.

I also find it noteworthy that Made said one of either Elo or boo has to be bad. boo died N2. But has Made said anything else about Elo? Conveniently, no, especially when Elo very well could have died yesterday during D3.

Then think of the fact that LoRab kept making statements during yesterday's lynch about how she had no idea about Elo, and consider that LoRab was really quick to turn on Lacey earlier when I mentioned I strongly thought Lacey was bad. Has LoRab pursued those thoughts any further, despite the fact that her exception expired during D3? No.

Yes, we may have lynched TinyBubbles thanks to my push that way, but we also uncovered contradictory intentions from Made and LoRab. I also firmly believe that TinyBubbles was sacrificed to save Elo, and that Elo's behavior has had the classic mafia element of overexplanation. Her behavior has been the very definition of opportunistic, yet the mafia took advantage of the fact that TinyBubbles kept being compared to Elo by me.

I feel very strongly that Elo is mafia; by extension, Made and LoRab are also incredibly likely teammates.

thellama73 wrote:RIP MP

That's a lame kill. He was contributing a lot. Clearly the baddies are scared that he was onto something.

Elohcin wrote:RIP MP.

I don't think the baddies would be that stupid...to kill someone who was calling them out.

Elohcin wrote:RIP MP.

I don't think the baddies would be that stupid...to kill someone who was calling them out.

Boomslang wrote:Man, I don't feel right about lynching any of the suspects today. I'm going to keep on my llama vote, then, because he didn't address my concerns on the driveby and hasn't posted at all today.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

FZ. wrote: I can't really say I'm surprised. I believe we've lost 4 civvies already. And once again, the reason for voting TB sucked. I'm suspicious of everyone who voted for her. Heck, I'm suspicious of everyone.

I know the feel... many players, myself included, have been acting objectively suspiciously this game.

I'm very sad about the result, but I do think D3 gave us some valuable information.

Do you want to talk out some suspicions? It's possible one of us will die tonight, seeing as though we're the most talkative players left.

Sure, let's talk. What valuable information do you think it gave us?


MM, why do you think it makes llama look better?

It told us that Made is bad.

Look at this here. During the game, Made was one of only two players to say TinyBubbles was civilian. Yet he jumped on the wagon yesterday despite elaborating thoroughly that he heavily suspects me and you.

I also find it noteworthy that Made said one of either Elo or boo has to be bad. boo died N2. But has Made said anything else about Elo? Conveniently, no, especially when Elo very well could have died yesterday during D3.

Then think of the fact that LoRab kept making statements during yesterday's lynch about how she had no idea about Elo, and consider that LoRab was really quick to turn on Lacey earlier when I mentioned I strongly thought Lacey was bad. Has LoRab pursued those thoughts any further, despite the fact that her exception expired during D3? No.

Yes, we may have lynched TinyBubbles thanks to my push that way, but we also uncovered contradictory intentions from Made and LoRab. I also firmly believe that TinyBubbles was sacrificed to save Elo, and that Elo's behavior has had the classic mafia element of overexplanation. Her behavior has been the very definition of opportunistic, yet the mafia took advantage of the fact that TinyBubbles kept being compared to Elo by me.

I feel very strongly that Elo is mafia; by extension, Made and LoRab are also incredibly likely teammates.

MovingPictures07 wrote:If I had to guess on the 4th teammate, I'd say it's Russ (1st guess) or DFaraday (2nd guess). Russ defended Elo incredibly heavily against me in Watchmen. During D3, when Elo was being discussed, he seemed more open-minded, and super wishywashy on her one way or the other when you illustrated excellent points against her. His tone was also distinctly different, more nonchalant (with the "haha") than it was in Watchmen (very indignant and defensive of the fact that Elo is an easy target). DFaraday is my 2nd guess mostly by process of elimination and due to the fact that his votes on Elo would nearly exonerate him from being a teammate (again, assuming Elo flips mafia) by normal circumstances. DFaraday's behavior has been very firm and decisive this game, even almost thread-leader esque, which is a stark contrast from years of games I've played with him. Note also that during The Game, DFaraday was identified as having a lot of civilian cred, as all 5 players noted that they find him civilian. Which teammate therefore would be the best one to vote Elo early on D3? DFaraday.

thellama73 wrote:I read through all of Eloh's posts, since MP said she is bad. I don't think she is. This posts doesn't read like something baddie Eloh would write. It would be too tricksy by half.

Elohcin wrote: I thought you were joking when you brought up me possibly being bad b/c I am Simon's mom. Honestly, whenever Simon or Epi hosts, I get to pick my role. Whenever I host, Epi picks his. So, now the question is....what role did Eloh pick? You could get really into it and go look back at all the games Epi has hosted and see who I was in each game. But you really don't need to. I pick civ sometimes, I pick baddie sometimes. I am not partial either way. I usually pick by looking at the role descriptions. I won't go into specifics of what kinds of roles I like and don't like. I wouldn't want to be accused of outing myself. But, I have divulged this information before. Also, I probably don't pick roles that you would guess. In fact, in my last game that I played, I picked what Epi said was his least favorite role. He was surprised I picked it All this to say, :P shame on you if you try to make a case for me being baddie b/c I am the hosts mom. If you can't come up with anything better than that, you must not be a very good mafia player.