The Syndicate

Golden wrote:I'm feeling pretty good about zebra 2.0

@sig - you have said your item can't kill, but are you able to confirm whether your item has any benefit to you at all? Can you confirm whether or not you if BR got the same outcome you did?

It could be, but it could also not be. It really depends on how I use it.

Know really can't do much to defend myself at this point, as there isn't much to go on but I'm slightly suspicious of Golden and Mac. Zebra 2.0 is leaning civ.

I don't find bea's self lynch strange but I believe her excuse. Know Floyd I'm more suspicious of I don't like his explanation for his vote

I'm also reading Mac as civ lean right know. I've liked his response to me and his suspicion of me seems genuine.

Draconus wrote:Dropping a vote now on Sig. I have an appointment immediately after work, and he's my only ping right now. It's a really weak ping at that. Sorry bud.

What was that ping?

So my top two suspicions right know are Floyd and Golden,

sig wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm feeling pretty good about zebra 2.0

@sig - you have said your item can't kill, but are you able to confirm whether your item has any benefit to you at all? Can you confirm whether or not you if BR got the same outcome you did?

It could be, but it could also not be. It really depends on how I use it.

Know really can't do much to defend myself at this point, as there isn't much to go on but I'm slightly suspicious of Golden and Mac. Zebra 2.0 is leaning civ.

I don't find bea's self lynch strange but I believe her excuse. Know Floyd I'm more suspicious of I don't like his explanation for his vote

I'm also reading Mac as civ lean right know. I've liked his response to me and his suspicion of me seems genuine.

Draconus wrote:Dropping a vote now on Sig. I have an appointment immediately after work, and he's my only ping right now. It's a really weak ping at that. Sorry bud.

What was that ping?

So my top two suspicions right know are Floyd and Golden,

My initial thought when BR was killed was "set up" so I was looking at suspicion of you through a glass tinted with that thought. But this post interested me.

I'm slightly suspicious of Golden and Mac.

I'm also reading Mac as civ lean right know.

Which is it?

Right know I'm civ leaning on Mac earlier I was suspicious of him. I do stand by my thoughts on Golden though.

I'm sorry to bring this up again, but I just want to know, for the record, what Zebra 2.0's opinion of Golden is.

Good or bad???

Before, I asked you Zebra what the point of making any cases was, if you genuinely felt peeps weren't reading your posts. Remember, that seemed to be the reason why you would no longer go after Golden. After that question, you posted apologizing for your previous harsh post, but didn't answer.

Sorry again, but I'm just feeling really weird about you not wanting to go after Golden (despite you thinking he's bad...I think?) and now Golden is all "Zebra 2.0 looks good to me!!" (paraphrasing)

Hi, not really in the mood to play mafia today. Might come back later. Sorry

Matt F wrote:I'm sorry to bring this up again, but I just want to know, for the record, what Zebra 2.0's opinion of Golden is.

Good or bad???

Before, I asked you Zebra what the point of making any cases was, if you genuinely felt peeps weren't reading your posts. Remember, that seemed to be the reason why you would no longer go after Golden. After that question, you posted apologizing for your previous harsh post, but didn't answer.

Sorry again, but I'm just feeling really weird about you not wanting to go after Golden (despite you thinking he's bad...I think?) and now Golden is all "Zebra 2.0 looks good to me!!" (paraphrasing)

Are you asking zebra or everyone else?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Matt F wrote:I'm sorry to bring this up again, but I just want to know, for the record, what Zebra 2.0's opinion of Golden is.

Good or bad???

Before, I asked you Zebra what the point of making any cases was, if you genuinely felt peeps weren't reading your posts. Remember, that seemed to be the reason why you would no longer go after Golden. After that question, you posted apologizing for your previous harsh post, but didn't answer.

Sorry again, but I'm just feeling really weird about you not wanting to go after Golden (despite you thinking he's bad...I think?) and now Golden is all "Zebra 2.0 looks good to me!!" (paraphrasing)

Are you asking zebra or everyone else?

I was specifically asking Zebra 2.0 what her official stance on Golden is, but feel free to give your own thoughts as to whether there's something weird here or if I'm just outta my mind!

sig wrote:Right know I'm civ leaning on Mac earlier I was suspicious of him. I do stand by my thoughts on Golden though.

There is one sentence between these thoughts; you changed your mind while writing this paragraph?

sig wrote:It could be, but it could also not be. It really depends on how I use it.

Know really can't do much to defend myself at this point, as there isn't much to go on but I'm slightly suspicious of Golden and Mac. Zebra 2.0 is leaning civ.

I don't find bea's self lynch strange but I believe her excuse. Know Floyd I'm more suspicious of I don't like his explanation for his vote

I'm also reading Mac as civ lean right know. I've liked his response to me and his suspicion of me seems genuine.

Matt F wrote:I'm sorry to bring this up again, but I just want to know, for the record, what Zebra 2.0's opinion of Golden is.

Good or bad???

Before, I asked you Zebra what the point of making any cases was, if you genuinely felt peeps weren't reading your posts. Remember, that seemed to be the reason why you would no longer go after Golden. After that question, you posted apologizing for your previous harsh post, but didn't answer.

Sorry again, but I'm just feeling really weird about you not wanting to go after Golden (despite you thinking he's bad...I think?) and now Golden is all "Zebra 2.0 looks good to me!!" (paraphrasing)

How in the name of fuck does Golden's opinion of my alignment effect my opinion of his alignment? Also, I did not apologize for my previous harsh post, I clarified who it was intended for.

I'm having a difficult time deciding whether you are just misunderstanding every single point I have to make, or whether you are doing so on purpose to form a narrative. I thought that it goes without saying that when I'm talking about people not reading my posts I am referring specifically to the conflict that everyone, myself included was sick of. Oh wait, I must not have thought that it went without saying after all, because I made that clear in the same post that you're taking issue with. If I thought people weren't reading my posts at all, I wouldn't still be playing this game or any other. Is that really so hard to interpret? You want my opinion of Golden for the record?

CHECK THE RECORD.

S~V~S wrote:

sig wrote:Right know I'm civ leaning on Mac earlier I was suspicious of him. I do stand by my thoughts on Golden though.

There is one sentence between these thoughts; you changed your mind while writing this paragraph?

sig wrote:It could be, but it could also not be. It really depends on how I use it.

Know really can't do much to defend myself at this point, as there isn't much to go on but I'm slightly suspicious of Golden and Mac. Zebra 2.0 is leaning civ.

I don't find bea's self lynch strange but I believe her excuse. Know Floyd I'm more suspicious of I don't like his explanation for his vote

I'm also reading Mac as civ lean right know. I've liked his response to me and his suspicion of me seems genuine.

He must be lynched for this imo.

I have a few minutes before I go to bed.

RIP BR

I would also like to hear Sig's response to this change of opinion regarding Mac. I tend to believe baddies go over their posts more than civvies, but he's changed his mind very fast, which is just weird. In addition, Sig, Epi said we can talk about the night 0 (or is it 1) items. Since BR said she voted for you because of that item, can you honestly say you have no idea why she would do that? Why didn't you question her during the night before she died?


Regarding Floyd, if he is bad, he's playing an awful game (no offence). My only question is, how many "slips" can someone make as a baddie, knowing this is his second baddie game in a row. I would have thought that if he's bad, he'd be more careful this time. So I'm still thinking about this.

Luke and Banana, any thoughts on the game and the players so far?

Zebra I tend to write while I read and rarely use linki sorry for the confusion, but my opinion of Mac has changed,

Well my item won't work anymore, I had the ability to take a players item during any night phase. That doesn't seem like an item worth voting me over but she did. I am taking into consideration the mafia killed her based around her item they were unaware of what it was and could have thought it had some sort of killing ability. With her killed night 1 and if I'm lynched today nobody would posses these items. This could be a mafia move to get these items out of play especially if as some thought these had to do with killing.

Matt do you think Golden/Zebra 2.0 could be on a team and that is the sudden change of heart orwhat?

It must be hard being scum in two games.

sig wrote:Matt do you think Golden/Zebra 2.0 could be on a team and that is the sudden change of heart orwhat?

READ.
MY.
MOTHERGOBSMACKING.
POSTS.

Unless of course you're mafia, in which case feel free to continue leaving yourself open to accusations of opportunistic halfassery.

Zebra I'm trying to understand Matt's post, I read your response and while I don't believe your own a team I'm wondering if that is what he was saying.

Yes, that is what he was saying. Great, I have now appointed myself the translator of mediocre-at-best logic.

Sig you should post more. It really helps the game.

a2thezebra wrote:Yes, that is what he was saying. Great, I have now appointed myself the translator of mediocre-at-best logic.

Yes, that it was I was implying, and your continued "LET ME BLOW UP WITH ALL CAPS CUZ THAT'S HOW TO SHOW HOW SERIOUS I AM" isn't impressive. Originally, all I wanted was to know was your current position on Golden, because I have not been sure on what it is, yet you continue to evade and tell me to look at your old posts.

Looking at your old posts, this is what I see. You come back in the game. You tell everyone you will not pursue Golden, even though you think he is bad, "for the sake of the town". This doesn't make any sense.

I'll tell ya what. I've been pinged on Golden ever since he was sure as shit that you were bad, but then started to say stuff like "I won't pursue this if it doesn't happen today." So if you think he is bad still, I'll help ya vote for him today, whattaya say? Put your money where your mouth is?

Good point Mattology. Reckon Zebs came back scum and Golden is a scumbud? Nice bruva.

MacDougall wrote:Good point Mattology.

I am not bad, I have never been bad, I do not have btsc with zebra.

Basically, the case against me comes down to 'golden is displying civilian behaviour, because he is not going to tunnel zebra forever.' Thats insane. I'm trying not to be the golden who goes blindly on tunneling all game. I'd like to be a good citizen of the town.

By the way, my normal civilian meta would support me tunneling zebra and never letting up. No-one would think twice about it. They'd just say 'thats golden'. I'll say what I said to SVS in recruitment mafia... take the blinkers off that you think you have a good theory, and actually think about what is a good civilian thing to do from my perspective, and ask yourself 'why, if golden is mafia, would he put himself out like that'. There was literally no purpose for me to do it if I was bad. I explained why I was doing it very clearly.

I'm always getting lynched as civilian for being honest and saying what my plan is to do. And yet, I'm always civilian when I do this. If I'm bad, I'm not going to be so honest. I'll set up my vote, and I'll just stick with it.

I think it is pretty clear zebra intends to continue pursuing my lynch until he dies and I have absolutely no doubt he'll be happy to pile on if you pursue this theory, but I really don't want to be your lab rat.

Also

Matt F wrote:Iand now Golden is all "Zebra 2.0 looks good to me!!" (paraphrasing)

He does. I have no interest in voting zebra 2.0, no matter how much interest he shows in voting for me. You aren't paraphrasing. I have a civ read on him. I'm not going to shy away from that because it is inconvenient (which it kind of is).

I have a civ read on you, too, Matt, but you are barking up the wrong tree.

@SVS and Mac, I can't see how I couldn't vote Sig based on that. Not even knowing who you actually think is good and bad is a pretty good sign of someone who is manufacturing reads.

Golden wrote:@sig - you have said your item can't kill, but are you able to confirm whether your item has any benefit to you at all? Can you confirm whether or not you if BR got the same outcome you did?

Also, sig...

How about answering the questions?

Golden - Let's take you out of the equation.

Player A and Player B go at it on Day 1. Player A successfully leads a lynch on Player B. Player B dies.

Player B replaces back into the game. Player B says "I think Player A is bad but I will not pursue their lynch for the sake of the town." (technically, I believe that's what she was saying, but I've YET to get a straight answer)

Do you not find that, in the least, suspicious? I'm guessing you don't because (multiple times now) you have claimed Zebra 2.0 as civvie.

Furthermore, multiple times I've asked what I thought was a simple question, because I was never quite sure on the answer. Does Zebra 2.0 believe Golden is bad?

Instead of getting a straight answer, I've received ALL CAPS LARGE TEXT RESPONSES that tell me just to reread her posts if I really want an answer to that question. I don't know why she couldn't just say "Yeah I do think he's a baddie mcbadderton".

I think it's curious that you are able to call Zebra 2.0 "civvie civvie civvie" despite her being vague and evasive on her stance towards you.

Also Golden, I know we both tunnel, but from what I remember in the past, you play a super civvie that may get it wrong sometimes, but has also caught his fair share of baddies, so I wonder why you would even want to change your game up?

Anyway, let's see if Zebes is willing to vote your way if she has back up. I'm curious to know her answer on that.

RIP BR.

I'm late again to the party, but will chunk my thoughts in as I read along....sorry for all the posts coming your way...

Matt F wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Matt F wrote:I'm sorry to bring this up again, but I just want to know, for the record, what Zebra 2.0's opinion of Golden is.

Good or bad???

Before, I asked you Zebra what the point of making any cases was, if you genuinely felt peeps weren't reading your posts. Remember, that seemed to be the reason why you would no longer go after Golden. After that question, you posted apologizing for your previous harsh post, but didn't answer.

Sorry again, but I'm just feeling really weird about you not wanting to go after Golden (despite you thinking he's bad...I think?) and now Golden is all "Zebra 2.0 looks good to me!!" (paraphrasing)

Are you asking zebra or everyone else?

I was specifically asking Zebra 2.0 what her official stance on Golden is, but feel free to give your own thoughts as to whether there's something weird here or if I'm just outta my mind!

Yes. you are out of your mind.

But....you could be on to something. I don't know yet. I'm not ready to jump down the rabbit hole with you so to speak, but it could be a possibility. Or they both could see how their D1 argument lead to a civ lynch and they could both still be civ and reading each other that way. Or one of them could be bad and one of them could be good. I doubt anyone's taking their eyes off zebra and golden anytime soon.

@Matt - I try not to do it because I want to find balance in that aspect of my game. It's not fun for people when I tunnel too hard. I don't like raining on other people's fun. On the other hand, I recognise it can be effective. I have to find a balance.

I don't think the civilian cause is aided by me ramming the same point down people's throats over and over again. I try to trust that they already have the point. That's where the balance lies for me.

And sometimes I just can't contain myself, and for all I know if zebra didn't die and kept coming hard at me, I would have kept coming hard at her. But I wanted people to KNOW my plan... so that they would know that if I backed off it wasn't because I wasn't suspicious of zebra, but just that I didn't want to keep harping on about it. If I didn't say it, I felt people would think I'd just dropped the suspicion. It's not even to say I would not have voted zebra. I just would have dropped the intensity and the attempt to convince people to follow me into the lynch.

S~V~S wrote:

sig wrote:Right know I'm civ leaning on Mac earlier I was suspicious of him. I do stand by my thoughts on Golden though.

There is one sentence between these thoughts; you changed your mind while writing this paragraph?

sig wrote:It could be, but it could also not be. It really depends on how I use it.

Know really can't do much to defend myself at this point, as there isn't much to go on but I'm slightly suspicious of Golden and Mac. Zebra 2.0 is leaning civ.

I don't find bea's self lynch strange but I believe her excuse. Know Floyd I'm more suspicious of I don't like his explanation for his vote

I'm also reading Mac as civ lean right know. I've liked his response to me and his suspicion of me seems genuine.

This is a fair point. I like this post.

I knew something about that sig post bothered me. I thought he'd listed golden as a slight suspish and floyed as a stronger suspish but ordered them backwards in the inital post and I quoted it to point it out, but I was wrong. He did list floyd first. I'm glad the post caught my eye as well even if it was intitally for the wrong reason.

As for zebras all caps responses etc... I can't account for her posting but it's nothing to do with being my teammate. I don't know why she won't give you a straight answer, but I will give you a straight answer. I think Zebra has been completely and utterly clear that her number one preference is far and away to see me lynched today. She has been tunneling on me all game and hasn't stopped. She just said she wanted other people to make the case because no-one was listening to her.

I also don't think she is 'civvie civvie civvie'. Mac, I think is 'civvie civvie civvie'. On zebra, I just lean slightly town, and that's because I don't think she had any reason to say this if bad:

a2thezebra wrote:Also, your suspicion of Golden is apparently because you think that he flip-flopped on you, yet your flip-flop on him is much more apparent and much less warranted. Are his hypocritical "pings" rubbing off on you?

For someone who has been tunneling badly on me, and said she wanted others to make a case on me...

The first person who actually did, zebra called out as being a clearly apparent flip-flop.

If zebra was actually bad, I don't see any reason for her to do that. She could have just kept pushing for my lynch.

(Yes, I recognise that doesn't help with your 'we are both bad' theory. But that's why I, knowing that I am civ, think zebra is civ. If you put yourself in a 'golden is civ' headspace, can you see why that makes sense?)

a2thezebra wrote:

Matt F wrote:I'm sorry to bring this up again, but I just want to know, for the record, what Zebra 2.0's opinion of Golden is.

Good or bad???

Before, I asked you Zebra what the point of making any cases was, if you genuinely felt peeps weren't reading your posts. Remember, that seemed to be the reason why you would no longer go after Golden. After that question, you posted apologizing for your previous harsh post, but didn't answer.

Sorry again, but I'm just feeling really weird about you not wanting to go after Golden (despite you thinking he's bad...I think?) and now Golden is all "Zebra 2.0 looks good to me!!" (paraphrasing)

How in the name of fuck does Golden's opinion of my alignment effect my opinion of his alignment? Also, I did not apologize for my previous harsh post, I clarified who it was intended for.

I'm having a difficult time deciding whether you are just misunderstanding every single point I have to make, or whether you are doing so on purpose to form a narrative. I thought that it goes without saying that when I'm talking about people not reading my posts I am referring specifically to the conflict that everyone, myself included was sick of. Oh wait, I must not have thought that it went without saying after all, because I made that clear in the same post that you're taking issue with. If I thought people weren't reading my posts at all, I wouldn't still be playing this game or any other. Is that really so hard to interpret? You want my opinion of Golden for the record?

CHECK THE RECORD.

FTR, I did read the beginning parts of the argument. But when I shut you out, I shut golden out too. My brain can only handle so many circles and quotes and and I just loose track of the argument at a point. This is a fault of mine for sure, not a fault of you or golden. Please know I do value your opinion (and golden's as well and everyones.) I try very hard to read everything, sometimes the thread just gets away from me. Please know it wasn't personal from my end at all. linki - oh my. I'm lost. I promise I'll catch up soon golden!

Golden wrote:

Golden wrote:@sig - you have said your item can't kill, but are you able to confirm whether your item has any benefit to you at all? Can you confirm whether or not you if BR got the same outcome you did?

Also, sig...

How about answering the questions?

sig wrote:]
Well my item won't work anymore, I had the ability to take a players item during any night phase. That doesn't seem like an item worth voting me over but she did. I am taking into consideration the mafia killed her based around her item they were unaware of what it was and could have thought it had some sort of killing ability. With her killed night 1 and if I'm lynched today nobody would posses these items. This could be a mafia move to get these items out of play especially if as some thought these had to do with killing.

I answered someone with the above already but I will answer yours as well. I would say it has the potential to be beneficial from what people in game has hinted about the spice it doesn't sound very helpful so it all depends on what item you choose to take. I don't quite understand the second question. I'd assume BK got to use her item but it didn't help her since she was NK'd, thus she didn't actually have time to use her new item she just got one. If that was your question if not I'm not understanding it.

What do youthink about my theory of the mafia trying to get ride of us since they suspected our items could kill and were worried about one of us shooting them? They would have Nk'd Bk first since she is more skilled then me. This is just guesswork on my part. I personal think the BK kill was done since there is no way to trace it back to the killers, but my other theory could play into it. I would say it all depends how serious the mafia team takes the items and how much the items affects the game.

That's cos I missed the word 'know'. I meant to say 'can you confirm if you KNOW whether BR got the same outcome.' I take it from your answer that you don't know? It looked like BR was implying she did know what outcome you got.

Honestly, I think the likely answer for mafia killing BR is one of these two.

1) You are mafia, and didn't want her to say anything more about the item, or...
2) You are not mafia, and the mafia killed BR to get us talking about you.

I mean, it's always possible you are right or there are other reasons eg because she picked the lasgun and while the spice people know their thing is useless, other items we don't know. If you are civ, maybe your idea is correct.

that catch up was relatively quick!

Ya'll have me trained to think I have hours and pages of work to do.

Sig - thanks for answering questions. How did your opinion of mac being slightly suspish to being civ change for you? I missed that if you did answer it. Link me back if you did.

What makes you think BR used her item before she died?

I don't btw necessarily think the mafia took out BR because she had the lasgun. I think they took her out because she is not on their team and civ BR could be intimidating to some. Why do you think the kill would be untraceable?

Please don't think I'm harping, I am trying to understand. I like understanding.

linki - golden. That's a fair point. We assume that everyone who voted one option got the same thing, but I guess nothing like that should be assumed in a close set up.

Oh lovely host with the most - does everyone who voted the same option on day 0 get the same outcome? (I know this is futile btw, but it never hurts to try.... also I think I might want to be aapje when I grow up.

I see okay so her item did the same as mine, but our outcome could vary since we could take any item. I would assume she took someones item as well. I'm not sure how that would work since she was NK but from the way it seems to me if she put in the action to take an item then yeah she got one before she was NK'd and when I say an item I mean one from the warehouse.

So she didn't know the outcome but she new the ability perhaps she tried to lynch me since she wanted to be the only one with the item and didn't want me to mention it. Or perhaps she honestly thought it was best for nobody else to have it. While the item was neat I find it strange she voted for me based on it since it doesn't seem that powerful.

linki: Okay so we had the same results then that only means we could each choose an item and would receive it still doesn't clear up why that caused her to vote for me. Since I said my itemmaybe you would like to tell me what yours does Golden?

@Bea let me check and see if I answered it if not I'll do so.

Since you know I tunnel like a mofo (and aren't half the grandmasta you are at catchin' baddies), I sincerely hope you find your balance and make yourself a better player. It's definitely something I have trouble with. I've been trying hard not to push so much this game, but in the case of Zebra, it's been really hard since I haven't gotten a straight answer out of her. But as you said, and as I've guessed, she does think you're bad. I just don't know why she couldn't say it. It really seemed like she blew her top, as well, because I was simply asking her what her stance was on you.

Anyway, if anyone else would like to chime in, that'd be fantastic. If not, I guess the town will go another way (I think sig is on the chopping block currently?)

I will also be looking forward to when Zebra decides to actually pursue who she believes to be scum as opposed to saying "For the town's sake...naaah".

^-----That was addressed to Golden

sig wrote:
I'm also reading Mac as civ lean right know. I've liked his response to me and his suspicion of me seems genuine.

Draconus wrote:Dropping a vote now on Sig. I have an appointment immediately after work, and he's my only ping right now. It's a really weak ping at that. Sorry bud.

What was that ping?

So my top two suspicions right know are Floyd and Golden,

This would be the post I civ lean on MAc this is the same post were early in it I said Mac seemed scummy. The main reason I changed my opinion on Mac is based around a tone read and that he said I was one of the ones he found suspicious. He wasn't attempting to get me lynched just mentioned his thoughts on me as well as others. He remained consistent with his opinion of Draconus.
It is mostly based around the fact how he mentioned he was suspicious of me, know if he starts picking apart my posts and bandwagons me my opinion will no doubt change, but from his post of four suspects and his tone right know I have him as a civ lean.

I originally put him as scumish since he voted for matt and then zebra defended him. When Zebra gained some votes and closer to the end of the day Mac said he liked Golden's case and would vote for zebra but he didn't as he already voted. This seemed to me like a scums way of trying to distance himself from a teammate with zebra flipping civ this was proven false. Which also helped with civ lean of him.

What is everyone thoughts on Draconus this game? His fly by vote on me seems strange but that partly seems strange since it was on me. With only getting me to two it didn't save a teammate, so I find it very weird.

linki: Chime in on zebra 2.0 or Golden?

Epignosis wrote:Identical items had identical results.

You're just fucking with me now aren't you epi? All answering when I don't think you are going to and junk...
Also - thanks!

So - now it comes down to, as far as the prize of the lazgun goes, believing sig or not if the stealing items thing was what he got. That's cool. I can dig that. I can also see why BR would consider that as a civ.

*channels BR*

I can completely see why given that prize she would be suspish of sig. A smart mafia team would split their day 0 vote to maximize the number of prizes they could potential win to benifit their team. There were only 2 lasguns and she knew she was a civ. I'm guessing her working theory was something along the lines of what I just said.

Much like I know I'm a civ, it's gonna make me be careful with Matt. Because there were only 2 of our item too if I recall correctly and I know I'm civ.

But, fwiw, I don't currently think Matt is bad. Maybe we got lucky and both of us are civ? Maybe sig and BR were both civ and the mafia didn't have enough time/involvement to coordinate enough to split their vote.

Do I make sense or am I the one off my rocker right now?

linki - sig - Ok - I can see what you are saying about mac now. Thank you.

I'm not sure about Dracdev right now. He's a hard read for me. He and bullz are similiar in that I find them scummy when they aren't around and then they post and I'm all "oh, ok that makes sense." I've miss read him more times than I can count. My hubby on the other hand, adores him. I believe "Devin is my mafia soul mate" was spoke by him at one point. True story. (that said I'm sure that mostly about "sticking it to the man." - which at the time was sockadillydandy. lol.)

people I hope to hear more from:

Luke
bannannabobnnakins
dracdev
eloh
sorsha
marshynewtmarromt.
bloperkins
floyd. COME PLAY FLOYD!!! Tell us what you think about what you read. Play the game boy!!

MattF, your contributions today are pretty much exactly what I expected from you and it doesn't make me feel good about you. All of your discussion has been centered around Zebra and Golden. After the Day 1 we had, you have to practically be forcing yourself to tunnel that hard. I think you are trying to take advantage of the Day 1 mislynch on Zebra, and I think that's exactly what you were planning to do when you took yourself out of the Day 1 conversation after Mac called you out early on.

Your husband plays on TS as well, who is it?


That makes sense I can see why she would be willing to vote for me then. Looking back you and BWT know Zebra 2.0 I believe got the windtrap is that helpful to you? Also do you think the mafia could have made their day 1 kill based on items?

sig wrote:linki: Okay so we had the same results then that only means we could each choose an item and would receive it still doesn't clear up why that caused her to vote for me. Since I said my itemmaybe you would like to tell me what yours does Golden?

Mine did nothing at all. It was of no benefit (and I'm not afraid of, say, House Harkonnen getting it - no benefit to the mafia either). I don't know anything about a 'warehouse', though, unless that was just part of the original poll/story I missed.

It was were we got the items from, the guild warehouse it was the header for the day 0 poll.

Turnip Head wrote:MattF, your contributions today are pretty much exactly what I expected from you and it doesn't make me feel good about you. All of your discussion has been centered around Zebra and Golden. After the Day 1 we had, you have to practically be forcing yourself to tunnel that hard. I think you are trying to take advantage of the Day 1 mislynch on Zebra, and I think that's exactly what you were planning to do when you took yourself out of the Day 1 conversation after Mac called you out early on.

That is a fair point too.

sig wrote:Your husband plays on TS as well, who is it?


That makes sense I can see why she would be willing to vote for me then. Looking back you and BWT know Zebra 2.0 I believe got the windtrap is that helpful to you? Also do you think the mafia could have made their day 1 kill based on items?

He is BigDamnHero on this site. He used to mafia back in the day but hasn't for a really long time. I dragged him out of retirment a couple years ago for Daisy's homestar runner game. He won that for our baddie team - and then played the first years championship game. Hasn't played since. I've resolved never to ask him to play another mafia game. We have a place holder on the Parks and Rec mafia as co-hosts as that is something we might have fun doing, but honestly we have little time for planning it. It's our pet dream mafia project. He's mosty found in the Fantasy Football thread tbh. That's his real love.

Oh snap! good call sig. It was me and teefies not me and Matt. IDK how I messed that up?

I don't currently understand enough about the game mechanics to understand what I've won and the host was vauge and not as helpful as his post to the thread when I asked him.

Golden wrote:

sig wrote:linki: Okay so we had the same results then that only means we could each choose an item and would receive it still doesn't clear up why that caused her to vote for me. Since I said my itemmaybe you would like to tell me what yours does Golden?

Mine did nothing at all. It was of no benefit (and I'm not afraid of, say, House Harkonnen getting it - no benefit to the mafia either). I don't know anything about a 'warehouse', though, unless that was just part of the original poll/story I missed.

unless you all are jointly lying....that kinda cracks me up from a meta standpoint.

nice one epi.

bea wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:MattF, your contributions today are pretty much exactly what I expected from you and it doesn't make me feel good about you. All of your discussion has been centered around Zebra and Golden. After the Day 1 we had, you have to practically be forcing yourself to tunnel that hard. I think you are trying to take advantage of the Day 1 mislynch on Zebra, and I think that's exactly what you were planning to do when you took yourself out of the Day 1 conversation after Mac called you out early on.

That is a fair point too.

Fair enough for you to vote on?

bea wrote:Much like I know I'm a civ, it's gonna make me be careful with Matt. Because there were only 2 of our item too if I recall correctly and I know I'm civ.

Are you talking about me or is there another player named Matt? I picked water, which had four options. And as far as I can tell, it was a worthless pick.

Turnip Head wrote:MattF, your contributions today are pretty much exactly what I expected from you and it doesn't make me feel good about you. All of your discussion has been centered around Zebra and Golden. After the Day 1 we had, you have to practically be forcing yourself to tunnel that hard. I think you are trying to take advantage of the Day 1 mislynch on Zebra, and I think that's exactly what you were planning to do when you took yourself out of the Day 1 conversation after Mac called you out early on.

Turnip, I believe we've already gone over this (though it could've been in the other game), but again...

Day 1, I was taken aback by Mac's Policy Lynch idea, felt rather embarrassed really, and didn't feel like contributing much. As it were, after getting scolded by Epig in TH, I've also been more hesitant to go balls to the wall against all of my pings. It's his game so I've been trying my damnedest to try and stay focused, work one "case" at a time. Sorry I had to admit to that, but I keep gettin' questioned on why I'm "quieter" in this game then the other, so there you go.

HOWEVER, I know Golden and Zebra aren't the only ones I've mentioned in this day phase...

Matt F wrote:

Golden wrote:The obvious answer is sig.

The obvious question is... is it too obvious?

What do you think of Drac and Turnip? Just like, in general and stuff.

And if sig gets lynched today and flips civ, I will most definitely expand on why I asked Golden specifically about you and Drac.

But while you're here, Turnip, how do you feel about Zebra not wanting to pursue a player she thinks is bad "for the sake of the town" ?

Linki - Yo Turnip, let me respond to you before you start asking other players to vote for me, eh?

sig wrote:Your husband plays on TS as well, who is it?


That makes sense I can see why she would be willing to vote for me then. Looking back you and BWT know Zebra 2.0 I believe got the windtrap is that helpful to you? Also do you think the mafia could have made their day 1 kill based on items?

also - if you can steal items why would I tell you if mine was useful or not? I mean, I honestly don't effing know because like I said, I don't understand the closed set up rules enough to know what's going on, but really - that's a silly question to ask regardless when you said you can steal my potentially good or useless thing.

linki - maybe TH - I'd like to go back and read it to make sure. And maybe be sober when I do it. And a sober reread is honestly pretty unlikely given my schedule - But atm, all signs point to yea....it feels more solid than anything else we have to go on atm.

I'm willing to give sig the BOTD after our interactions. Even if he did want me to spill details I don't know about what I won so he could steal them.

linki again with matt - you read that but missed where I said oh snap sig! you got that right it was teefies now zebera2.0 not matt that got that with me. Sorry I did really think you voted it. I am if nothing, usually messing something up.

THAT said, yea - knowing zebra is the other person changes things a bit. Again, we still could have been lucky the mafia could not have been that coordinated we both still could be civ.

I know you asked TH and not me but I'm drfunk enough to chime in anyway: re: zebra. Look, I'm not going back an rereading. At this moment, I think she feels a scum read on golden as residual from her 1.0 self. I know. I've been there. I replaced in as a lynched civ *into another civ role* and it was really really hard to shake those feelings about those who lynhed me. I think that regardless of allignment we should maybe quit pestering her this cycle and let her develop her own reads? Maybe when she said she still thinks golden is scummy but she won't persue it - she was - trying to put the town ahead of her own thoughs? I'm again - willing to give her time and space to branch out.

I don't think she can do that if she thinks she's got to be in super defense mode. You may be on to something - you might not. Matt, just hang a bit on it and watch them and see what shakes out.

Out side of them - who are you looking at? Quit tunneling and widen your scope? what stands out to you this day that's NOT zebra and golden?