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Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:22 pm
by Sloonei
tedxtr wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:20 pm Super killed sounds like strongman to me
this was my first guess.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:23 pm
by Alison
You know what there clearly isn't a soupkill because some people are blocked from claiming and Oddmerta wasn't shot in the night. I suspect I am next on the list for the mafia shot so I have half a mind to just full claim on the spot.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:23 pm
by Esooa
I used an ability on Alison which role blocked everyone who targeted her btw

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:24 pm
by staypositivefriend
novaselinenever wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:19 pm A message to the people of Fargo,

My fellow Americans,

Today is a day to rejoice, but also to look ahead. We have eliminated the first threat to our great democracy, but there is still a long road ahead of us. In celebration of our early achievements, I am excited to announce an avocado stimulus. Every American household will receive 1 avocado in the coming weeks. Without the Kansas City Mafia's tight control over our avocado imports, we are free to share our surplus with the hard working American people.
But this is not the end of our agenda. Tonight, we will also be targeting domestic issues that threaten us from within. I wish that I could report more at this time, but it is not in the best interests of our beautiful country for me to do so.

Thank you, stay vigilant, and may God Bless America.
Spoiler: show
@Oddmerta @Alison @Sloonei @Long Con @tedxtr @KZA @AL_sama @Strawhenge @Justplayingitcool @fingersplints @staypositivefriend @Hally @Dom @BoKnows @Esooa @falcon45ca @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Michelle @TonyStarkPrime
capitalism is fixed

Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:24 pm
by Sloonei
Hally wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:20 pm here is what i will say:
Hally wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:29 pm Proclick

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... gonly&ch=0

Search keyword marmot

Ez wolf pelt
yeah ted is an obvious wolf
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:38 pm ed and peggy smh
tony posted this right after i agreed with mac. at the very least he clearly theorized (either correctly or incorrectly) that mac and i were masons/lovers or mechanically linked in some way, which would give him incentive to shoot mac. that being said, this is not the only reason one might shoot mac so it doesn’t make tsp a wolf. but i think based on mac’s flip tony was clearly fishing for something here
I could see Mac being killed simply because he is MacDougall and was universal town read.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:24 pm
by Alison
I'm going to go have dinner. If there are no good reasons to object to me fullclaiming today I'm going to do it. Mafia already know I am a PR, mafia already know I am powertowning. I have evidence that there's no soupkill.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:24 pm
by Alison
Esooa wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:23 pm I used an ability on Alison which role blocked everyone who targeted her btw
Interesting. That is pretty pro town.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:25 pm
by falcon45ca
My updated list of 9 POE


Al Sam, nanook, LC, ted, Michelle, TSP, Dom, finger, JPIC

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:25 pm
by Justplayingitcool
Alison wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:23 pm You know what there clearly isn't a soupkill because some people are blocked from claiming and Oddmerta wasn't shot in the night. I suspect I am next on the list for the mafia shot so I have half a mind to just full claim on the spot.
Weren’t people blocked from claiming in radiohead and mafia had a soup kill as well?

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:26 pm
by tedxtr
why do people have a hard on for claiming anything related to their role on D2

Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:26 pm
by Hally
Sloonei wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:24 pm
Hally wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:20 pm here is what i will say:
Hally wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:29 pm Proclick

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... gonly&ch=0

Search keyword marmot

Ez wolf pelt
yeah ted is an obvious wolf
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:38 pm ed and peggy smh
tony posted this right after i agreed with mac. at the very least he clearly theorized (either correctly or incorrectly) that mac and i were masons/lovers or mechanically linked in some way, which would give him incentive to shoot mac. that being said, this is not the only reason one might shoot mac so it doesn’t make tsp a wolf. but i think based on mac’s flip tony was clearly fishing for something here
I could see Mac being killed simply because he is MacDougall and was universal town read.
so could i. i still believe tony was role fishing though. alison said that tony’s wolf meta is fishing for info. he seemed like he was trying to do that with alison and i think he was trying to do that with mac

maybe it’s wrong though. it’s just a theory

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:27 pm
by Esooa
tedxtr wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:26 pm why do people have a hard on for claiming anything related to their role on D2
I think what I said was useful to out

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:27 pm
by Sloonei
Justplayingitcool wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:25 pm
Alison wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:23 pm You know what there clearly isn't a soupkill because some people are blocked from claiming and Oddmerta wasn't shot in the night. I suspect I am next on the list for the mafia shot so I have half a mind to just full claim on the spot.
Weren’t people blocked from claiming in radiohead and mafia had a soup kill as well?
4 total roles were restricted from claiming and you guys had a pseudo-soup kill.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:28 pm
by Alison
Justplayingitcool wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:25 pm
Alison wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:23 pm You know what there clearly isn't a soupkill because some people are blocked from claiming and Oddmerta wasn't shot in the night. I suspect I am next on the list for the mafia shot so I have half a mind to just full claim on the spot.
Weren’t people blocked from claiming in radiohead and mafia had a soup kill as well?
That was different. People were blocked from claiming their mechanical roles, and mafia's soup kill was based on flavor. In other words the mafia soup kill was meant to "block" flavor claiming. Here people are being blocked from claiming either mech or flavor. If there's a flavor soupkill Oddmerta would have died. If there's a mech soupkill why would nova stop Peggy from claiming?

Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:29 pm
by Hally
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:54 pm Town pile
Alison*
Esooa
falcon45ca
MacDougall
Oddmerta*
Sloonei
Strawhenge
*reassess this interplay if and only if there is no appropriate explanation for future life, let them sort themselves

Close enough pile
BoKnows
staypositivefriend
Hally/tutuu

Backup POE pool
fingersplints
Justplayingitcool
Michelle

POE pool
Dom
KZA
Long Con
Nanook
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:59 pm AL_sama
i suggest we sheep this

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:29 pm
by Alison
tedxtr wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:26 pm why do people have a hard on for claiming anything related to their role on D2
In this case I have a strong reason to believe I won't survive the night and it is more productive to have info out early rather than late.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:29 pm
by tedxtr
To be honest idk how soup kills would work in multiball

Re: Fargo Mafia [NIGHT 1]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:29 pm
by Alison
Hally wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:29 pm i suggest we sheep this
I agree. It is what I am currently doing.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:30 pm
by tedxtr
Alison wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:29 pm
tedxtr wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:26 pm why do people have a hard on for claiming anything related to their role on D2
In this case I have a strong reason to believe I won't survive the night and it is more productive to have info out early rather than late.
was moreso talking about the roleblock thing

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:30 pm
by Sloonei
tedxtr wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:29 pm To be honest idk how soup kills would work in multiball
Hm yeah a soupkill in multiball seems impossible to balance at first glance

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:31 pm
by Sloonei
I’ll be diving back into the Marmot ISO work once I’m settled in for the evening. If I know me, I’ll draw similar conclusions to Jay’s.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:32 pm
by falcon45ca
Alison wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:24 pm I'm going to go have dinner. If there are no good reasons to object to me fullclaiming today I'm going to do it. Mafia already know I am a PR, mafia already know I am powertowning. I have evidence that there's no soupkill.
Post pics plz. I am getting hungry, and would like to see pics of other people's food

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:34 pm
by Alison
Alright, here goes nothing. If I get daykilled I apologize for being a dumbass.

I am Captain Jeb Cheney. I have two day actions. One is to give two players access to a private chat for the night. Sort of like a temporary neighborizer. I can neighborize myself. The other is a little complicated. There are four trooper roles in the game, I know their flavor (role name) and abilities which I feel no need to disclose at this point. Trooper Milch is one of them which is how I cleared Oddmerta. Technically it isn't stated that they're confirmed town but it is heavily implied that they are and in terms of flavor I think it doesn't make sense for them to be evil. Anyway, as a day action I can order one trooper to do something with their night action. Basically I control their night action. They can choose to accept or refuse my order. If they accept, they do the night action the way I ordered them to. If they refuse, I get to strip them of their abilities and gift those abilities to someone else.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:36 pm
by Hally
interesting

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:36 pm
by Alison
It's a provable PR because I know of the existence of the 4 troopers and can give them orders to confirm my identity. In this case I can confirm that Trooper Milch is not a safe claim and is Oddmerta's real flavor and it makes him town. So there.

I submitted my day actions to nova last night but he said they were submitted too late so boo. Didnt' get to do anything. Oh well.

Everything else I softed about my role (how it's the most busted role on planet earth etc, how it could flip consecutive mafiosos, etc.) was just blowing smoke up mafia asses to make their nightkill decisions difficult.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:37 pm
by Sloonei
Alison wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:34 pm Alright, here goes nothing. If I get daykilled I apologize for being a dumbass.

I am Captain Jeb Cheney. I have two day actions. One is to give two players access to a private chat for the night. Sort of like a temporary neighborizer. I can neighborize myself. The other is a little complicated. There are four trooper roles in the game, I know their flavor (role name) and abilities which I feel no need to disclose at this point. Trooper Milch is one of them which is how I cleared Oddmerta. Technically it isn't stated that they're confirmed town but it is heavily implied that they are and in terms of flavor I think it doesn't make sense for them to be evil. Anyway, as a day action I can order one trooper to do something with their night action. Basically I control their night action. They can choose to accept or refuse my order. If they accept, they do the night action the way I ordered them to. If they refuse, I get to strip them of their abilities and gift those abilities to someone else.
This second ability is similar to a role Nova included in The Wire.

In case anyone needs alison's role to be vouched for.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:37 pm
by Alison
Troopers do try not to spew your roles too hard when reacting to this claim.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:37 pm
by Esooa
Alison wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:36 pm It's a provable PR because I know of the existence of the 4 troopers and can give them orders to confirm my identity. In this case I can confirm that Trooper Milch is not a safe claim and is Oddmerta's real flavor and it makes him town. So there.

I submitted my day actions to nova last night but he said they were submitted too late so boo. Didnt' get to do anything. Oh well.

Everything else I softed about my role (how it's the most busted role on planet earth etc, how it could flip consecutive mafiosos, etc.) was just blowing smoke up mafia asses to make their nightkill decisions difficult.
oh so I'm the only one with a role like that?

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:38 pm
by Hally
i’m confused. what is stopping the other three troopers from coming forward and becoming confirmed like odd? it seems broken if they’re all villagers, no?

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:38 pm
by Sloonei
Alison wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:36 pm It's a provable PR because I know of the existence of the 4 troopers and can give them orders to confirm my identity. In this case I can confirm that Trooper Milch is not a safe claim and is Oddmerta's real flavor and it makes him town. So there.

I submitted my day actions to nova last night but he said they were submitted too late so boo. Didnt' get to do anything. Oh well.

Everything else I softed about my role (how it's the most busted role on planet earth etc, how it could flip consecutive mafiosos, etc.) was just blowing smoke up mafia asses to make their nightkill decisions difficult.
I believe every word of this post.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:39 pm
by Strawhenge
Hally wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:38 pm i’m confused. what is stopping the other three troopers from coming forward and becoming confirmed like odd? it seems broken if they’re all villagers, no?
That's my question too. That essentially makes a potential 4-person confirmed town team. Does that make sense in a multiball?

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:39 pm
by Justplayingitcool
How does this fit into marmots fake claim? That was kinda officer related

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:39 pm
by Hally
if all the troopers are really villagers alison effectively has four N0 flavor clears. that seems ridiculous on its face if they can all claim freely

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:40 pm
by Esooa
Hally wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:39 pm if all the troopers are really villagers alison effectively has four N0 flavor clears. that seems ridiculous on its face if they can all claim freely
yeah I agree with is why I don't think they all are

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:41 pm
by Alison
I thought soup kept them in check at first but signs point to no soup. Could be a rat in there. If so I doubt it's Oddmerta based on the way he handled the claim.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:41 pm
by KZA
Alison wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:34 pm Alright, here goes nothing. If I get daykilled I apologize for being a dumbass.

I am Captain Jeb Cheney. I have two day actions. One is to give two players access to a private chat for the night. Sort of like a temporary neighborizer. I can neighborize myself. The other is a little complicated. There are four trooper roles in the game, I know their flavor (role name) and abilities which I feel no need to disclose at this point. Trooper Milch is one of them which is how I cleared Oddmerta. Technically it isn't stated that they're confirmed town but it is heavily implied that they are and in terms of flavor I think it doesn't make sense for them to be evil. Anyway, as a day action I can order one trooper to do something with their night action. Basically I control their night action. They can choose to accept or refuse my order. If they accept, they do the night action the way I ordered them to. If they refuse, I get to strip them of their abilities and gift those abilities to someone else.
Do you know what the troopers powers are or do you just have to order them and hope lol

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:43 pm
by Hally
if alison’s troopers are all villagers then we already know there is AT LEAST

alison’s provable role
trooper 1
trooper 2
trooper 3
trooper 4
mason 1
mason 2

as confirmed or semi confirmed villagers. and that’s just what we know already. that seems ridiculous

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:43 pm
by Alison
I know what the trooper powers are but I won't tell you. None of them seem blatantly anti town.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:44 pm
by Hally
should the other troopers claim?

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:45 pm
by Justplayingitcool
What if there are no other troopers and host lied to alison

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:47 pm
by Alison
I checked their ability list. Two troopers have an ability which would be absurd to give to a mafia member in a normal game. Even in multiball it would still be violating "expectations" of what kind of roles go to what kind of alignments. One is slightly townie but I could easily see going to mafia especially in multiball. The last is the scummiest and could easily be mafia. But that is Milch's ability and Oddmerta is townie af.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:47 pm
by Hally
i reeeeeally doubt they’re all villagers. there’s no way there’s a village role itg that has role/flavor peeks on four other villagers who can all freely claim. 0% chance there’s not some catch. either some 3P that has an anticlaim mech or wolves in the troopers or something. i really would be baffled otherwise. seems broken

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:49 pm
by KZA
I believe Alison and will provide Backup against the tinfoil demons

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:50 pm
by Esooa
KZA wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:49 pm I believe Alison and will provide Backup against the tinfoil demons
nice soft

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:52 pm
by Hally
how does it make sense to have a village role that directs other villagers but no wolves? don’t you just assume the villagers will use their actions in a pro-village way? why would they need to be directed?

also roles are clearly multifaceted in this game. every role flipped so far had more than one ability. just because alison knows one of each troopers abilities and can direct that ability doesn’t mean she knows their full role, correct?

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:52 pm
by KZA
Esooa wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:50 pm nice soft
I'm a soft person. Hopefully a smart person too.

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:53 pm
by Oddmerta
I only have the one ability

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:53 pm
by Hally
KZA wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:49 pm I believe Alison and will provide Backup against the tinfoil demons
oh, i believe alison. she’s clearly a villager and isn’t lying. i’m not arguing against that. i’m arguing her role as she seems to be understanding it is broken and that she’s misinterpreted the information she’s been given

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:53 pm
by Alison
Hally wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:52 pm how does it make sense to have a village role that directs other villagers but no wolves? don’t you just assume the villagers will use their actions in a pro-village way? why would they need to be directed?

also roles are clearly multifaceted in this game. every role flipped so far had more than one ability. just because alison knows one of each troopers abilities and can direct that ability doesn’t mean she knows their full role, correct?
Correct, I have their abilities but not their role cards.

What do you think about having all four troopers out and we hunt in those four? If only three claim we treat them as ICs?

Re: Fargo Mafia [DAY 2]

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:54 pm
by Sloonei
Yeah I think it is unsafe to assume that all of the troopers are town. Plus having a crooked cop on the force seems like something that would make sense in a show like Fargo.