The Syndicate

Matt wrote:A few notes...

Glorfindel wrote:All I can say is that I've been on both sides of the coin in the two games I've played here at The Syndicate before this one.

Was this a coincidence or was this a Two Face hint/claim? Not a bad one, considering you're sussed of being Mafia and claiming Two-Face would make you half civ.

Matt wrote:I think you and Bullz have a nice theory on Riddler, but for some reason I can't explain, I think you may be wrong and on top of that, I think Riddler may have been iced by either Harvey Bullock or the Falcone family. Derp a derp.

Scotty wrote:Hypothetically, would it ruin the game if you were to come out with this perceived breadcrumb? Because most of us simply don't have time to comb through Mac's finely-braided mane of posts looking for something we may or may not recognize as a breadcrumb. Like, I went through 5 pages of his posts before I realized that I wouldn't even know I was looking at a rolehint if I tried.

Turnip Head wrote:

Matt wrote:Btw Turnip, Glorfindel obviously claimed Two-Face so I guess we should just take him at his word and stop sussing him now, right?

I cun tell yuoo steell hefe-a nut fuoond Mec's breedcroomb becoose-a iff yuoo deed yuoo vuooldn't be-a mekeeng thees surt ooff nunsenseecel cumment. Um de hur de hur de hur. Mec's croomb is cumpletely deefffferent thun yuoo cleeeming Tvu-Fece-a oon Glurffeendel's behelff. Zeere-a is reesun tu beleeefe-a hees heent is genooeene-a.

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:Hypothetically, would it ruin the game if you were to come out with this perceived breadcrumb? Because most of us simply don't have time to comb through Mac's finely-braided mane of posts looking for something we may or may not recognize as a breadcrumb. Like, I went through 5 pages of his posts before I realized that I wouldn't even know I was looking at a rolehint if I tried.

I'm nut cumeeng oooot veet unytheeng, su yuoor oonly oopshuns ere-a tu seerch hees pusts cereffoolly oor soospect heem unyvey. Bork bork bork! Ere-a yuoo luukeeng tu fute-a fur Mec? Iff nut, vhy dues it metter?

In zee ifent yuoo ere-a zee rule-a thet Mec hes breedcroombed, I troost it vuoold be-a iesy inuoogh fur yuoo tu feend. Bork bork bork!

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:Hypothetically, would it ruin the game if you were to come out with this perceived breadcrumb? Because most of us simply don't have time to comb through Mac's finely-braided mane of posts looking for something we may or may not recognize as a breadcrumb. Like, I went through 5 pages of his posts before I realized that I wouldn't even know I was looking at a rolehint if I tried.

I'm nut cumeeng oooot veet unytheeng, su yuoor oonly oopshuns ere-a tu seerch hees pusts cereffoolly oor soospect heem unyvey. Bork bork bork! Ere-a yuoo luukeeng tu fute-a fur Mec? Iff nut, vhy dues it metter?

In zee ifent yuoo ere-a zee rule-a thet Mec hes breedcroombed, I troost it vuoold be-a iesy inuoogh fur yuoo tu feend. Bork bork bork!

I don't know if I'm voting for Mac or not. I hadn't really suspected him, but also I am open to any vote today.
I just feel like you're hyping it up to oblivion, and if it comes out, it's going to be like the Star Wars prequels.

juliets wrote:Dom I'm trying to get a handle on this Glorfindel suspicion (more than just you). You say that what tripped you over the edge was his comment of being incompetent. What was it about that comment that caused your reaction? He seems to be self deprecating as his nature so that's why I'm asking for you to be more explicit.

Glorfindel wrote:

Matt wrote:Anyone iso Daisy? To whom it may concern, of course Daisy protecting Glorfindel doesn't mean they're teamies. However it's possible Daisy is mafioso and happens to know Glorfindel is good, hence the "let's protect the civvie" card. Therefore suspish. Especially since she was willing to lynch Simon of all people. I dunno, doesn't add up.

There is a chance you could very well be right there Matt but I'm sufficiently confident in my instincts and ability to read people to stand by what I have said already on the public record about Spacedaisy.

Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Turnip Head wrote:

Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Yuoo ere-a a strunge-a leettle-a mun. I cun cunffurm yuoo ere-a 100% vrung ebuoot thees. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

Turnip Head wrote:

Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Yuoo ere-a a strunge-a leettle-a mun. I cun cunffurm yuoo ere-a 100% vrung ebuoot thees. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

juliets wrote:

Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Why couldnt it be the Penguin?

Matt wrote:

juliets wrote:

Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Why couldnt it be the Penguin?

I considered that, but nobody has voted Turnip since Day 1.

Matt wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Yuoo ere-a a strunge-a leettle-a mun. I cun cunffurm yuoo ere-a 100% vrung ebuoot thees. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

I don't think I am. Otherwise, I might've gotten the urge to quote some Foghat lyrics today or some such.

So do us a favor and quote the Mac hint. Mac said he'd most certainly be mod-killed so he can't do it, and if nobody is interested in lynching Mac anymore because he's some sort of super civvie, then he'll most assuredly be NK'd anyway, so please let the town know what's up.

juliets wrote:Dom I'm trying to get a handle on this Glorfindel suspicion (more than just you). You say that what tripped you over the edge was his comment of being incompetent. What was it about that comment that caused your reaction? He seems to be self deprecating as his nature so that's why I'm asking for you to be more explicit.

Mac, was it the dawn comments about sig that made you suspicious or something else, or more than that?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Dom wrote:Why would the baddies NK someone they suspect is baddie? Why wouldn't they lynch them?

Weren't you NK'd in the GoC for that exact reason?

I was civvie in the GoC.
So, I'm kind of confused? If you have very good reason to think someone is a baddie, why wouldn't you try and lynch them? That's different than just being suspicious of someone.

Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Matt wrote: So do us a favor and quote the Mac hint. Mac said he'd most certainly be mod-killed so he can't do it, and if nobody is interested in lynching Mac anymore because he's some sort of super civvie, then he'll most assuredly be NK'd anyway, so please let the town know what's up.

Scotty wrote:@HOSTS
If the Scarecrow targets their own role (i.e. Penguin must kill himself) how the hell does that work?

Also, what if MP is trying to kill himself because he needs himself dead to win?

Matt wrote:And I am telling you that you're wrong. There is no way I see the Riddler still being alive.

Matt wrote: Linki - Bullz, it's hard to answer that w/o full on dumping. And just so Epi doesn't blow a gasket, I could totally be a liar and maybe I'm the Riddler trying to throw everyone off derp a derp.

Turnip Head wrote:

Matt wrote:And I am telling you that you're wrong. There is no way I see the Riddler still being alive.

Und I em telleeng yuoo thet yuoo ere-a vrung su I gooess ve'fe-a reeched a stelemete-a.

Turnip Head wrote:Reeddler deedn't du thees sheet tu me-a unyveys su yuoo ere-a su ooffff bese-a it's reedicooluoos. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Yuoo shuoold stup tryeeng tu specoolete-a ebuoot sooch theengs in a geme-a fooll ooff secrets. Um gesh dee bork, bork! It is cleer tu me-a thet yuoo hefe-a nu idea vhet's gueeng oon. Bork bork bork!

Turnip Head wrote:I incuoorege-a iferyune-a tu essoome-a thet Mett hes nu idea vhet he's telkeeng ebuoot.

Bullzeye wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I incuoorege-a iferyune-a tu essoome-a thet Mett hes nu idea vhet he's telkeeng ebuoot.

This has been my standard operating procedure for nearly half a decade now.

Matt wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I incuoorege-a iferyune-a tu essoome-a thet Mett hes nu idea vhet he's telkeeng ebuoot.

This has been my standard operating procedure for nearly half a decade now.

For real, I know sometimes I have oddball theories, but I'm also capable of reasonable theories. This is the latter.

Matt wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Reeddler deedn't du thees sheet tu me-a unyveys su yuoo ere-a su ooffff bese-a it's reedicooluoos. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Yuoo shuoold stup tryeeng tu specoolete-a ebuoot sooch theengs in a geme-a fooll ooff secrets. Um gesh dee bork, bork! It is cleer tu me-a thet yuoo hefe-a nu idea vhet's gueeng oon. Bork bork bork!

Riddler didn't do this to you now?

Okay, please speculate on who did this to you then.

Can't be Joker, unless you targeted dead Black Rock last night.

Can't be Penguin, unless he invisibly voted for you yesterday.

What you got?

Scotty wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Scotty wrote:RIP sig. I honestly think you were good, or at least town-centric.

So glorf. You have used the argument "I don't know why anyone would view me as bad because I'm obviously good" twice now. That's like walking into McDonalds, standing in the line for 10 minutes without saying anything, tapping your foot and going, "Well? Why is my food not out yet?"

What makes you so obviously civ, Glorf?

This is a rhetorical question, btw Glorf. Because you're no more obviously civ than I am.

I just cringe when I hear that as an argument, and it doesn't make you seem any more civ than I you make yourself out to be.
Now that sig is gone and out of your hair, any better suspicions?

Yes, Scotty - I understand that it was a rhetorical question - hence why you didn't get an answer And with reference to your analogy, yes - and may I have fries with that?

And yeah, I know - you've got absolutely no reason to believe a word I say - I completely understand that too. All I can say is that I've been on both sides of the coin in the two games I've played here at The Syndicate before this one. Now I don't know how it looked to anyone else, but I certainly felt the difference from this side. I don't know how that presents to you but I have to think that it must surely be very obvious

Thanks for patently ignoring my last question there, Glorf.

Turnip Head wrote:

Matt wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Reeddler deedn't du thees sheet tu me-a unyveys su yuoo ere-a su ooffff bese-a it's reedicooluoos. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Yuoo shuoold stup tryeeng tu specoolete-a ebuoot sooch theengs in a geme-a fooll ooff secrets. Um gesh dee bork, bork! It is cleer tu me-a thet yuoo hefe-a nu idea vhet's gueeng oon. Bork bork bork!

Riddler didn't do this to you now?

Okay, please speculate on who did this to you then.

Can't be Joker, unless you targeted dead Black Rock last night.

Can't be Penguin, unless he invisibly voted for you yesterday.

What you got?

Seyeeng thet zee Reeddler deedn't meke-a me-a pust leeke-a zee Svedeesh Cheff is nut egeeenst zee rooles. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Unsvereeng yuoor qooesshuns meeght be-a.

I em gueeng tu ignure-a ell qooesshuns ebuoot thees. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Fute-a me-a iff yuoo theenk I'm lyeeng, I dun't cere-a vhet yuoo du becoose-a yuoo'fe-a lust ell credeebility in my iyes. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

Matt wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Reeddler deedn't du thees sheet tu me-a unyveys su yuoo ere-a su ooffff bese-a it's reedicooluoos. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Yuoo shuoold stup tryeeng tu specoolete-a ebuoot sooch theengs in a geme-a fooll ooff secrets. Um gesh dee bork, bork! It is cleer tu me-a thet yuoo hefe-a nu idea vhet's gueeng oon. Bork bork bork!

Riddler didn't do this to you now?

Okay, please speculate on who did this to you then.

Can't be Joker, unless you targeted dead Black Rock last night.

Can't be Penguin, unless he invisibly voted for you yesterday.

What you got?

Matt wrote:A few notes...

Glorfindel wrote:All I can say is that I've been on both sides of the coin in the two games I've played here at The Syndicate before this one.

Was this a coincidence or was this a Two Face hint/claim? Not a bad one, considering you're sussed of being Mafia and claiming Two-Face would make you half civ.

DharmaHelper wrote:I liked Matt better when he was cursed.

Enrique wrote:Matt why are you saying the Riddler is dead?

Enrique wrote:Because you're not cursed... there's nothing clear about that.

Glorfindel wrote:

bea wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Glorfindel.... any thoughts on which player might have wanted to silence you? You don't have to speculate in the thread, I just want you to think about it.

I've actually been thinking about that a lot and not only who but their possible motives... And no clue yet... I'm actually at work right now which will severely hamper my capacity to post for the next few hours... Sorry!

I'm curious as to whether or not you saw anything from the last phase as a result of being silenced. I'm sorry if someone else already asked you and I've not gotten there yet. It's just sometimes silencing can be a good thing. It's a different experience to read along as things happen but not have to talk. I was curious as to whether or not you saw something the rest of us might have missed.

Hey, bea I'm very pleased to make your acquaintance That's a good point, but no. To be honest, I was more relieved than anything when I found out I was silenced. Do we know who is silenced today? Is everyone accounted for so far?

As far as my suspicions right now, I don't have a lot. The whole Sig situation has shaken my confidence to the core. Typhoony seems rather strange to me this game for reasons I can't quite put my finger on but looking back to Pikmin Mafia, he was Captain Charlie and his identity was revealed only to me. The funny thing was, even though he was Town, had I not know he was, I think I could've been forgiven to think he wasn't. MP is kinda interesting - I was Mafia with him in Star Wars and as a consequence, I have the greatest admiration and respect for his ability. From conversations I've had with him, I honestly can't seem him as one of those 'Self-lynching' types - I think he's too proud for that despite what pressure he may feel from his real life circumstances. We've got a long way to go this Day phase but I have to say I can't see myself voting for him at this stage...

Matt wrote:

Enrique wrote:Because you're not cursed... there's nothing clear about that.

Then simply don't trust me on this, that's fine with me. I figured I'd catch a bad guy red handed in Turnip today, but nobody wants to hear it.

Matt wrote:Anyway, I'm gonna go check out some B:TAS (I've been watching since game started, love this show!). If anyone wants a bad guy or two lynched, look no further then fake cursed Turnip or his new best friend Mac.

Scotty wrote:

Matt wrote:Anyway, I'm gonna go check out some B:TAS (I've been watching since game started, love this show!). If anyone wants a bad guy or two lynched, look no further then fake cursed Turnip or his new best friend Mac.

Matt, did you ever think Poison Ivy could be responsible?

I have a theory that MP was cured from his poison if he was made to vote for sig.
Maybe TH could be cured from poison if he talks like this for a phase. Plus who knows what Bane does.

I'm just saying that it may not be the Riddler at all, if your theory of zebra = riddler is true.

Matt wrote:

Enrique wrote:Because you're not cursed... there's nothing clear about that.

Then simply don't trust me on this, that's fine with me. I figured I'd catch a bad guy red handed in Turnip today, but nobody wants to hear it.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matt wrote:

Enrique wrote:Because you're not cursed... there's nothing clear about that.

Then simply don't trust me on this, that's fine with me. I figured I'd catch a bad guy red handed in Turnip today, but nobody wants to hear it.

I have two relatively strong cases on Typhoony and MP, but nobody wants to hear those either so there you go.