The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:See,I disagree,Epi. I think JJJ is stone cold civvie, and I don't get the suspish there, either.

Linki,me too. I want to hear it.

Linki, so it is about LC? I think he ia a bad human who is a danger to us all.

No SVS. Thanks for trying to make me THAT girl. I love my husband in real life, it's true. I am talking about my own win conditions. Not his. Also about the show. Epig has the only Cylon role that I trust, and you are worried about the other Cylons that committed human genocide. Besides thinking LC is Cain, explain why you trust Cylons over her. I mean listed Cylons, the ones that killed 12 colonies. LoRab was one of those Cylons. I'm not sad about her death. Unless your win condition features some human death, I am confused about your focus.

I don't trust cylons over her, I don't trust any of them. I think she is just as dangerous to sometown people as the cylons. I am also worried about human roles like Helo & Baltar whose win cons may well be related to cylons. I am worried about Adama, based on the reading I have done. President Roslin. We have no clue what Cain can do but I am sure it is not good.

I just think she is as anti town as the cylons. She declared Martial law, and took the fleet way from Adama.

And I think we know who she is, so yeah, I would love to lynch Cain. I think she is anti town, 100%, human or not. But we have 2 days to vote,I am willing to listen to LC, and see what else happens.

Linki @ BR, but not PRO TOWN. This game is not as simple as that. I think Cain is not protown. Cain is pro faction, and faction =/= town.

Now really, good night

Nope SVS. Not that easy. I think you are trying to separate the two but the more I play this game (and the more I understood my role), the more I understand that faction is where we should be unless we're traitors. So are you Cylon or human traitor? They both exist.

Long Con wrote:I believe Cain needs to kill all Cylons. I don't think, and didn't think back then, that this game is a simple civ vs bad. I think Cain upsets certain factions, and that the Cylons that most humans need dead are the biggest likely voice of those factions. It just makes logical sense.

Back then, however, you used "BAD", "GOOD", and "INDY/NEUTRAL" in bright colors to describe all the characters. I'm guessing that you just don't want to do this with Cain.

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dex wrote:LC, you once posted a list of the roles and guessed their alignment. Now that we know who the secret role is, what is your call on Cain?

I believe Cain needs to kill all Cylons. I don't think, and didn't think back then, that this game is a simple civ vs bad. I think Cain upsets certain factions, and that the Cylons that most humans need dead are the biggest likely voice of those factions. It just makes logical sense.

So I think you're bad news for the town and now I'm a cylon?

I am not a cylon. I don't like dictators and martial law can't be good. Te other shoe has not dropped yet. And it will.

Aw sigh. I just don't...


And at this point I don't care if I have to be LC's wife (which actually really irritates me).. but sigh SVS. I don'[t understand you at all this game.

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dex wrote:LC, you once posted a list of the roles and guessed their alignment. Now that we know who the secret role is, what is your call on Cain?

I believe Cain needs to kill all Cylons. I don't think, and didn't think back then, that this game is a simple civ vs bad. I think Cain upsets certain factions, and that the Cylons that most humans need dead are the biggest likely voice of those factions. It just makes logical sense.

So I think you're bad news for the town and now I'm a cylon?

I am not a cylon. I don't like dictators and martial law can't be good. Te other shoe has not dropped yet. And it will.

Your opinion is noted. That is one conjecture that is possible. You have nothing to support that idea. As opposed to the straightforward idea that you are one of those Cylons, which your entire goal of killing Cain supports.

Dex wrote:

Long Con wrote:I believe Cain needs to kill all Cylons. I don't think, and didn't think back then, that this game is a simple civ vs bad. I think Cain upsets certain factions, and that the Cylons that most humans need dead are the biggest likely voice of those factions. It just makes logical sense.

Back then, however, you used "BAD", "GOOD", and "INDY/NEUTRAL" in bright colors to describe all the characters. I'm guessing that you just don't want to do this with Cain.

Oh, cool, you wanted a simpler answer. Indy.

Black Rock wrote:Nope SVS. Not that easy. I think you are trying to separate the two but the more I play this game (and the more I understood my role), the more I understand that faction is where we should be unless we're traitors. So are you Cylon or human traitor? They both exist.

Well, President Roslin passed the Cylon Amnesty Act. Is she Cylon or human traitor?

Dex wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Nope SVS. Not that easy. I think you are trying to separate the two but the more I play this game (and the more I understood my role), the more I understand that faction is where we should be unless we're traitors. So are you Cylon or human traitor? They both exist.

Well, President Roslin passed the Cylon Amnesty Act. Is she Cylon or human traitor?

Human traitor, final answer. And I am not talking about anyones win conditions, Roslin is a role that is 100% "civ", if such a thing exists... but that law only helps the bad guys from what I can see.

Polo wrote:"Paranoid Android", by Radiohead.

"What's that"

Black Rock wrote:Do you really think our host is so black and white?

No...I always assumed he was...golden.

Dex wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Nope SVS. Not that easy. I think you are trying to separate the two but the more I play this game (and the more I understood my role), the more I understand that faction is where we should be unless we're traitors. So are you Cylon or human traitor? They both exist.

Well, President Roslin passed the Cylon Amnesty Act. Is she Cylon or human traitor?

In the show, Roslin would never pass such a law. So who ever is playing this role is a human traitor. Roslin was never a huge Cylo9n sympathizer. They killed the human race o9n whole. Epig really does have the best Cylon role.

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:"Paranoid Android", by Radiohead.

"What's that"

Adjective
paranoid ‎(comparative more paranoid, superlative most paranoid)

Of, related to, or suffering from paranoia
Exhibiting extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others

Noun
android ‎(plural androids)

A robot that is designed to look and act like a human (not rarely male)

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:Epi: is my enthusiasm really counterfeit when someone replies with a complete and utter distortion of what I have been saying since the Cylon Amnesty Act was enacted?

Could be. Might be. Definitely is a toss up.

I applaud your paranoia.

There are only two instances when I get paranoid, and you don't know me well enough to know when those are.

This sounds cool, you have to follow up, what are they?

If you don't know them, then I'm not talking.

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Do you really think our host is so black and white?

No...I always assumed he was...golden.

That's why I love you!

Polo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:"Paranoid Android", by Radiohead.

"What's that"

Adjective
paranoid ‎(comparative more paranoid, superlative most paranoid)

Of, related to, or suffering from paranoia
Exhibiting extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others

Noun
android ‎(plural androids)

A robot that is designed to look and act like a human (not rarely male)

Please could you stop the noise,
I'm trying to get some rest
From all the unborn chicken voices in my head
What's that?
What's that?

When I am king, you will be first against the wall
With your opinion which is of no consequence at all
What's that?
What's that?

Ambition makes you look pretty ugly
Kicking and squealing Gucci little piggy
You don't remember
You don't remember
Why don't you remember my name?
Off with his head, man
Off with his head, man
Why don't you remember my name?
I guess he does

Rain down, rain down
Come on rain down on me
From a great height
From a great height, height
Rain down, rain down
Come on rain down on me
From a great height
From a great height, height,
Rain down, rain down
Come on rain down on me

That's it, sir
You're leaving
The crackle of pigskin
The dust and the screaming
The yuppies networking
The panic, the vomit
The panic, the vomit
God loves his children,
God loves his children, yeah!

I dunno, man. I've never heard that song in my life but I know it exists.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:Epi: is my enthusiasm really counterfeit when someone replies with a complete and utter distortion of what I have been saying since the Cylon Amnesty Act was enacted?

Could be. Might be. Definitely is a toss up.

I applaud your paranoia.

There are only two instances when I get paranoid, and you don't know me well enough to know when those are.

This sounds cool, you have to follow up, what are they?

If you don't know them, then I'm not talking.

Worth a try. It's not like anyone but you could possibly know such a bizarre specific fact about you.

Black Rock wrote:

Dex wrote:In the show, Roslin would never pass such a law. So who ever is playing this role is a human traitor. Roslin was never a huge Cylo9n sympathizer. They killed the human race o9n whole. Epig really does have the best Cylon role.

She worked with Cylons! One example:

The discovery of the Rebel Cylon basestar presents Roslin with yet another difficult decision; the Cylons are willing to help the Colonials destroy the Resurrection Hub, thus rendering all Cylons mortal, in exchange for the identities of the Final Five, which will give them the location of Earth. Roslin agrees to the deal.

Moreover, Adama and Roslin actual consider assassinating Cain. More human treachery?

Reposting for clarity

Black Rock wrote:In the show, Roslin would never pass such a law. So who ever is playing this role is a human traitor. Roslin was never a huge Cylo9n sympathizer. They killed the human race o9n whole. Epig really does have the best Cylon role.

She worked with Cylons! One example:

The discovery of the Rebel Cylon basestar presents Roslin with yet another difficult decision; the Cylons are willing to help the Colonials destroy the Resurrection Hub, thus rendering all Cylons mortal, in exchange for the identities of the Final Five, which will give them the location of Earth. Roslin agrees to the deal.

Moreover, Adama and Roslin actual consider assassinating Cain. More human treachery?

Dex wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Dex wrote:In the show, Roslin would never pass such a law. So who ever is playing this role is a human traitor. Roslin was never a huge Cylo9n sympathizer. They killed the human race o9n whole. Epig really does have the best Cylon role.

She worked with Cylons! One example:

The discovery of the Rebel Cylon basestar presents Roslin with yet another difficult decision; the Cylons are willing to help the Colonials destroy the Resurrection Hub, thus rendering all Cylons mortal, in exchange for the identities of the Final Five, which will give them the location of Earth. Roslin agrees to the deal.

Moreover, Adama and Roslin actual consider assassinating Cain. More human treachery?

As I said to S~V~S, you are entitled to role play in order to make your decisions.

Love me some radiohead, bruh!

Sig, Wigly, **

ObscureAllure wrote:Love me some radiohead, bruh!

Sig, Wigly, **

Are you back to normal now?

My top three for today:

bea, DrWilgy, Zebra

Sig is my top scumread, but he's safe today. Notice how he waited until the beginning of today to claim, the most opportunistic time for him. It's early enough to seem like he did it on his own accord, not to avoid a lynch, but it was still late enough to save his ass today.

Cain definitely needs to be impeached somehow, I wonder if we can do that without killing them.

Also, I don't see a way that Epig could become Boomer on death, if that was the case there would be one less role in here.

Polo wrote:SokothQultuq: Do you know how can I be sure that he's claimed Cylon already? When everyone claims.


Your stubbornness might be the bane of us. It is quite obvious that if there is in fact a bad Cylon among the unclaimed, that Cylon can and probably will enjoy his immunity if his lynch is imminent, and thus will be alive for, at least, one more day, and the next most voted person will die. Are you okay with this fact?

Your starting to sound like a broken record. You still present me with no reasonable valid argument as to how this helps or hurts?

If a Cylon claims immunity and the Lynch goes to another, I would hope that our group would have the chops to have already figured out another Cylon and that they would be the 2nd vote. But of course I would feel bad if a human lost his or her life. But the odds are still the same. With everyone claiming they are cylon, no one knows who is a cylon or not. So the odds are still the same if we all claim Cylon or not.

Anyone have a better argument?

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Do you really think our host is so black and white?

No...I always assumed he was...golden.

That's why I love you!

So say we all!

Since I can't be nightkilled, I wonder how safe I will be if I shout...

"DOWN WITH CAIN! DOWN WITH CAIN! DOWN WITH CAIN! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!"

Long Con wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:Love me some radiohead, bruh!

Sig, Wigly, **

Are you back to normal now?

Since when was I ever normal?! Lol.

SokothQultuq wrote:

Polo wrote:SokothQultuq: Do you know how can I be sure that he's claimed Cylon already? When everyone claims.


Your stubbornness might be the bane of us. It is quite obvious that if there is in fact a bad Cylon among the unclaimed, that Cylon can and probably will enjoy his immunity if his lynch is imminent, and thus will be alive for, at least, one more day, and the next most voted person will die. Are you okay with this fact?

Your starting to sound like a broken record. You still present me with no reasonable valid argument as to how this helps or hurts?

If a Cylon claims immunity and the Lynch goes to another, I would hope that our group would have the chops to have already figured out another Cylon and that they would be the 2nd vote. But of course I would feel bad if a human lost his or her life. But the odds are still the same. With everyone claiming they are cylon, no one knows who is a cylon or not. So the odds are still the same if we all claim Cylon or not.

Anyone have a better argument?

So a Cylon surviving a lynch is something you are okay with.

SokothQultuq wrote:Anyone have a better argument?

It's what good civs do.

DrumBeats wrote:My top three for today:

bea, DrWilgy, Zebra

Sig is my top scumread, but he's safe today. Notice how he waited until the beginning of today to claim, the most opportunistic time for him. It's early enough to seem like he did it on his own accord, not to avoid a lynch, but it was still late enough to save his ass today.

Based on my understanding of Matt/Silverwolf/OA, it is possible that sig was unable to claim during the last phase. I do not suspect him more for waiting until today to claim... on the contrary, his early, unprovoked claim leads me to the conclusion that he was unable to claim before, and has taken the earliest possible opportunity to claim now.

Cain definitely needs to be impeached somehow, I wonder if we can do that without killing them.

I agree, Cain's imposition of alternate win conditions are not agreeable to some. I think I can make things more agreeable, given a few game days.

Also, I don't see a way that Epig could become Boomer on death, if that was the case there would be one less role in here.

I have never agreed with the Epi/Seemer/Athena/Boomer theory. It's not even lore-supported in any way, as I recall... in that Boomer never tricked people into thinking she was Athena. Is that right? I think that's right. It has been a few years since I watched the series.

DharmaRepresentative2342 say we Zelda!

Innocent mother numps all fraks!

Oh, somebody got insanified.

Polo wrote:Oh, somebody got insanified.

I guess he won't be declaring today.

Villain much for Inconvenient Oven hylotheism overconfidence another law or ammendment or revocation. Did he fall asleep? Is this Martha Jones of the martial law?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Polo wrote:I've won all of the 4 games I played.

Don't tell Ricochet.

Polo wrote:Oh, somebody got insanified.

How do you know locate an insanifier chowchow Obscure Boot?

SokothQultuq wrote:

Polo wrote:SokothQultuq: Do you know how can I be sure that he's claimed Cylon already? When everyone claims.


Your stubbornness might be the bane of us. It is quite obvious that if there is in fact a bad Cylon among the unclaimed, that Cylon can and probably will enjoy his immunity if his lynch is imminent, and thus will be alive for, at least, one more day, and the next most voted person will die. Are you okay with this fact?

Your starting to sound like a broken record. You still present me with no reasonable valid argument as to how this helps or hurts?

If a Cylon claims immunity and the Lynch goes to another, I would hope that our group would have the chops to have already figured out another Cylon and that they would be the 2nd vote. But of course I would feel bad if a human lost his or her life. But the odds are still the same. With everyone claiming they are cylon, no one knows who is a cylon or not. So the odds are still the same if we all claim Cylon or not.

Anyone have a better argument?

Given the fact that some are denying the best plan - that everyone claims Cylon to eliminate the lynch saves for Cylons - we have to make the best plan we can with that situation.

IF the player with the most votes in 72 hours has already claimed, then we are playing a straight game and that person will be lynched barring some other factor, such as Helo.

If the player with the most votes has not claimed, then we need to have a player lined up with the second most votes who is the second most suspicious - as opposed to some random player who whoops-a-daisy has the second most votes and is a lynched Civ. We gotta have that second consciously discussed and voted.

It's also worthwhile to consider the "distant third", who gets lynched if BOTH the top-voted players have withheld their Cylon-claim for evil-Cylon reasons.

I don't think it's worthwhile to go farther down THAT rabbit hole, and I find it highly unlikely that all three top-vote-getters would be non-claimers anyway.

I think that "the Cylons" (by which I mean the hypothetical Cylon baddie team) are likely to do their best to manipulate a vote so as to a) avoid an non-claiming-Cylons being forced to claim or die, and b) arrange a non-Cylon to be the one up for lynch in order to avoid the claiming thing altogether.

Golden wrote:The president of the colonies has brought in a new law:

Revival of the Arts Act: As many of the arts of the colonies were lost in the attack, we must begin to add to our arts collection. Each day, one random player must post only in haiku.

Oh wait, I missed 2 of Hearts. Mycroft Holmes. Wow.

I agree. Tread carefully.

I have to go to bed now, I'll be back in about 16 hours.

I've found the hidden message.

Ricochet wrote:Villain much for Inconvenient Oven hylotheism overconfidence another law or ammendment or revocation. Did he fall asleep? Is this Martha Jones of the martial law?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Polo wrote:I've won all of the 4 games I played.

Don't tell Ricochet.

Polo wrote:Oh, somebody got insanified.

How do you know locate an insanifier chowchow Obscure Boot?

Ricochet wrote:

Golden wrote:The president of the colonies has brought in a new law:

Revival of the Arts Act: As many of the arts of the colonies were lost in the attack, we must begin to add to our arts collection. Each day, one random player must post only in haiku.

Oh wait, I missed 2 of Hearts. Mycroft Holmes. Wow.

I think your Dadaist prose contributes to our arts collection just fine.

ObscureAllure wrote:

Long Con wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:Love me some radiohead, bruh!

Sig, Wigly, **

Are you back to normal now?

Since when was I ever normal?! Lol.

Touché.

S~V~S wrote:
Let's all put our top three on the table.

hulky White Rabbit.

or letter.

sabulous. or Red Bishop. or Sokoth

Who wants to do a sortie? Only B1, C2, C6, F1 and F3 remain.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I've found the hidden message.

Ricochet wrote:Villain much for Inconvenient Oven hylotheism overconfidence another law or ammendment or revocation. Did he fall asleep? Is this Martha Jones of the martial law?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Polo wrote:I've won all of the 4 games I played.

Don't tell Ricochet.

Polo wrote:Oh, somebody got insanified.

How do you know locate an insanifier chowchow Obscure Boot?

Dex wrote:Who wants to do a sortie? Only B1, C2, C6, F1 and F3 remain.

Go get 'em tiger!

I'm full of pizza and beer, and am going to sleep now because sleepy I'm tired.

And I would LOVE to snuggle a pickle in a jar right now!@

Dex wrote:Who wants to do a sortie? Only B1, C2, C6, F1 and F3 remain.

WOW! We're that close, eh?

I will send a Sortie to B1 then.

Long Con wrote:

Dex wrote:Who wants to do a sortie? Only B1, C2, C6, F1 and F3 remain.

WOW! We're that close, eh?

I will send a Sortie to B1 then.

Denied.

Before I sleep:

a2thezebra is not on the poll.

Epignosis wrote:And I know 3J asked last night, but I have nothing new to raise. When I gave him the pretzel award, I don't think he was genuinely invested in what he was saying. He was making the evidence fit the conclusion he wanted.

Consider for a moment that you were the person of interest in the post I made that earned your pretzel award. I think you're letting personal bias cloud your judgment of me. I don't think any significant reaches were required to draw the conclusion that I drew relative to nutella and her interaction with you. I am less inclined to read you as bad at this point, but I don't think I was so off base before as you're asserting I would had to be (so far off base that it wasn't a sincere thought).

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:A few are suspicious of JJJ-what's the case? I'm genuinely curious because I see him doing a lot of gamesolving along with Rico which is why I have those two as town. If either, both of them are scum, I'm likely not gonna catch them at this point so I'd like to see some reasoning on why if you suspect them. I'm open to listening on anyone as I'm have a really hard time getting good reads this game. It's frustrating the hell out of me tbh. Maybe it's cuz I don't know the lore.

This is why you're going to be mopped up here many times over if you play long enough. "Gamesolving" is a simple thing to fake. I can turn it on when I want to. A number of people here can. Sometimes we're genuine about it and sometimes we're being bullshitters. I'm dropping 3J and Rico into the latter category. 3J to the greater extent, and Ricochet as a peripheral accomplice, if you will. No, I don't expect either one will be lynched today in the present climate. But if you take their names off the table because they're "gamesolving," you are giving them a pass and allowing their content to slide without scrutiny.

I don't really disagree that "gamesolving" shouldn't earn an automatic town read, but it shouldn't earn an automatic baddie read either. Particularly with someone like me (and also Ricochet frankly), these are components of our play that we just plain use -- regardless of alignment. I want you to tell me what mindset or strategy you think I was employing as a baddie when I built a big anti-nutella case out of nowhere (she complained herself about nobody suspecting her until I cased her) and served as the primary engineer of her destruction.

Long Con wrote:

Dex wrote:Who wants to do a sortie? Only B1, C2, C6, F1 and F3 remain.

WOW! We're that close, eh?

I will send a Sortie to B1 then.

Excellent! I think it's a good idea that the Pegasus flies some of these missions.