The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:17 pm What is the case on Hawk, aside from the Gav!block?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:17 pm What is the case on Hawk, aside from the Gav!block?

Couldn’t begin to detail that at the moment given time constraints. Sloonei provided some case(s), so his ISO is a good place to start.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:15 pm Is Mac just mafia?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:00 pmMacDougall

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:15 pm Is Mac just mafia?

are you?

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:08 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:57 am

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:54 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:44 am @orangecrush, how does it feel to be wolfin' for the first time? Are you enjoying it?

hi seanzie, actually i am town this game but i am looking forward to playing as scum once i have been having some success as town but getting cv3ery frustrated about being killed aafter making good reads and not being able to continue the games . i was very disapointed with how last game went after i was kille

If it helps, the N1 kill is usually an honor saved for the best players in the game. You were killed because you were extremely good. I know it is frustrating watching from the sidelines afterwards, but you should take that kill as a complement, especially since you haven't played much yet.

You played Among Us a lot before joining us on MafC, right? How would you play scum on there? What would people look for to catch you (in the social deduction parts of the game, not like... the they saw you murder someone parts)?

actually with the frined group i've played with i have been told i can be more sociall awkwartd and quieter as an imposter. basically im not very good at hidingnervesd as an imposter because while it is fun it is very nervewracking in my opinion. im much more vocal and say what i think when right away as crewmate

also thank you for the kind words

Are you still catching up? If so, how far are you?

Also, I just looked through your ISO. You've mentioned Mac a few times. Can you elaborate there?

still catching up im at page 30 or so but actually ive been flipping back between current and old stuf rather than focussing on the entire readback

im glad you asked because you actually playted the high noon game that the majority of my read on mac is based upon. my read on solvis was a lot to do with the way they carried themselves in the thread in a way that was not only annoying but obstructive to town's solving process. This is something that I consider to be extremely anti-town and something mac has almost gleefully and openly admitted to doing. I will perhaps concede that there is some recency success bias here in that i was able to see solvis flip town and my read was proven, it is therefore something i am quite confident in right now and at this stage of my readback would make him someone i deeply consider to be worth looking at further

actually as i said im flipping current and past stuff right now and ive barely even seen anything from mac recently, i wonder if its something to do with the light being on hawk right now and them wanting to avoid interactions.

im gonna try and catch up more now anyway ive been so busy today

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:15 pm Is Mac just mafia?

are you?

Always. But, my concern is legitimate.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:15 pm Is Mac just mafia?

are you?

Always. But, my concern is legitimate.

You are seeking to be concerned where none is due.

I am not mafia. If you want to tinfoil someone pick someone else.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:15 pm Is Mac just mafia?

are you?

Always. But, my concern is legitimate.

You are seeking to be concerned where none is due.

I am not mafia. If you want to tinfoil someone pick someone else.

How do you reconsile the fact that mafia cupided Jay/Gav rather than a pair like Jay/you or Jay/Sloonei?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:00 pmMacDougall

yes?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:00 pmMacDougall

yes?

Claim

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:34 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:00 pmMacDougall

yes?

Claim

I already did. I am a 2 shot orgasm giver. The role is called batman. I am also a 3 shot healer.

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:28 pm

orangecrush wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 5:02 pm @orangecrush since you're here, would you mind listing out some townreads/scumreads you have as of where you're at right now? Explanations are welcome but not necessary. It will just help give us some content to read you off of.

im town reading Act, Dana, Guil, Tangrowth

town lean for Jay and Martin and Sloonei

scum reading Gnome and Mac

scum lean on Hawk

can elaborate on any you wish just ask

also Seansie i am town reading you i have felt good about our interactions up to now

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:15 pm Is Mac just mafia?

are you?

Always. But, my concern is legitimate.

You are seeking to be concerned where none is due.

I am not mafia. If you want to tinfoil someone pick someone else.

How do you reconsile the fact that mafia cupided Jay/Gav rather than a pair like Jay/you or Jay/Sloonei?

Seems pretty obvious to me. Gavial was supposed to derp it up and get them both killed.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:15 pm Is Mac just mafia?

are you?

Always. But, my concern is legitimate.

You are seeking to be concerned where none is due.

I am not mafia. If you want to tinfoil someone pick someone else.

How do you reconsile the fact that mafia cupided Jay/Gav rather than a pair like Jay/you or Jay/Sloonei?

Seems pretty obvious to me. Gavial was supposed to derp it up and get them both killed.

That is a huge risk, with very little reward. Think about it: In the best case scenerio, they kill a strong player and Gav. In the worst case scenerio they just kill Gav. If they did two strong players, best case scenerio, they kill two strong players, worst case scenerio they kill one strong player.

Like, the extra benefit of getting gav killed is not worth the risk involved there. Maybe they just made a mistake, but this is something that should definitely be considered, because it is a pretty egregious mistake.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:27 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:26 pm

are you?

Always. But, my concern is legitimate.

You are seeking to be concerned where none is due.

I am not mafia. If you want to tinfoil someone pick someone else.

How do you reconsile the fact that mafia cupided Jay/Gav rather than a pair like Jay/you or Jay/Sloonei?

Seems pretty obvious to me. Gavial was supposed to derp it up and get them both killed.

That is a huge risk, with very little reward. Think about it: In the best case scenerio, they kill a strong player and Gav. In the worst case scenerio they just kill Gav. If they did two strong players, best case scenerio, they kill two strong players, worst case scenerio they kill one strong player.

Like, the extra benefit of getting gav killed is not worth the risk involved there. Maybe they just made a mistake, but this is something that should definitely be considered, because it is a pretty egregious mistake.

So you are arguing that they didn't do what they did?

There is -100% chance that town sloonei and town Jay would determine killing one another is the move. There is maybe a -50% chance were it to be me and one of them.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:27 pm

Always. But, my concern is legitimate.

You are seeking to be concerned where none is due.

I am not mafia. If you want to tinfoil someone pick someone else.

How do you reconsile the fact that mafia cupided Jay/Gav rather than a pair like Jay/you or Jay/Sloonei?

Seems pretty obvious to me. Gavial was supposed to derp it up and get them both killed.

That is a huge risk, with very little reward. Think about it: In the best case scenerio, they kill a strong player and Gav. In the worst case scenerio they just kill Gav. If they did two strong players, best case scenerio, they kill two strong players, worst case scenerio they kill one strong player.

Like, the extra benefit of getting gav killed is not worth the risk involved there. Maybe they just made a mistake, but this is something that should definitely be considered, because it is a pretty egregious mistake.

So you are arguing that they didn't do what they did?

There is -100% chance that town sloonei and town Jay would determine killing one another is the move. There is maybe a -50% chance were it to be me and one of them.

I'm saying what they did doesn't jive well with our current list of strong town. I have a theory about why that might be, but you aren't going to like it, so I'm trying to see if you also see that what they did doesn't make sense with town's collective thoughts on the game, and if you do realize how weird it is, if you can come up with an alternative hypothesis to the one I am currently entertaining.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:20 pm Dana ISO:

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:45 pmthe wolves are so good at gaining everyones trust and then they just turn around and kill us all

This was a response to gnome which I think I initially town read Dana for, and I think I'll stick by that for now. I think she gets buddied by gnome quite hard, I can't be bothered to quote them all, and I'm interested to hear from her on why she sussed owner for pocketing her but not gnome? @Dana why did you feel there was a difference there?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:14 pm [VOTE: Dana] aubergine

I am a naval explorer from the 1700s

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:14 pm [VOTE: Dana] aubergine

I am a naval explorer from the 1700s

hello, why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:24 pm Is anyone experiencing tinfoil able to describe their feeling that tinfoil is needed?

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:24 pm Is anyone experiencing tinfoil able to describe their feeling that tinfoil is needed?

I feel like there is a lot of potential for a good tinfoil but I'm not sure how necessary it is at this stage yet. but I think im definitely gonna keep my hat at the ready

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm And it would appear that the Mafia took a direct shot at Sloonei n1. So they in fact probably tried to kill Sloonei and Jay on n1.

I may be Mafia God but they will catch bullets before me most of the time. So you needn't humour gamestate driven paranoia in this particular instance imo.

But if you were to insist said paranoia would make sense to be towards not me anyway on account of the fact that I am LACK CLAIRE.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:47 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:14 pm [VOTE: Dana] aubergine

I am a naval explorer from the 1700s

hello, why?

What you been up to? Wanna hang out sometime?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:49 pm The mafia paired me with Gavial because they knew almost anyone else will be reasonable and guarantee one kill. Only a Gavial or a Guillotine is the archetype needed to maximize cupid threat.

They still failed because they underestimated both of us. Even if Gavial is the unstoppable force of chaos, I am the immovable object of persuasion. And Gavial isn’t dumb.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:47 pm I wonder if by some stroke of luck I live long enough for this game to become hard.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm And it would appear that the Mafia took a direct shot at Sloonei n1. So they in fact probably tried to kill Sloonei and Jay on n1.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:49 pm The mafia paired me with Gavial because they knew almost anyone else will be reasonable and guarantee one kill. Only a Gavial or a Guillotine is the archetype needed to maximize cupid threat.

They still failed because they underestimated both of us. Even if Gavial is the unstoppable force of chaos, I am the immovable object of persuasion. And Gavial isn’t dumb.

They should have targeted me and Guillo lol

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:47 pm I wonder if by some stroke of luck I live long enough for this game to become hard.

This post earlier reminded me a lot of openwolfing Mac on Spiderverse... since we're getting tinfoils out there.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:49 pm The mafia paired me with Gavial because they knew almost anyone else will be reasonable and guarantee one kill. Only a Gavial or a Guillotine is the archetype needed to maximize cupid threat.

They still failed because they underestimated both of us. Even if Gavial is the unstoppable force of chaos, I am the immovable object of persuasion. And Gavial isn’t dumb.

They should have targeted me and Guillo lol

They should have targeted you and Jay.

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm And it would appear that the Mafia took a direct shot at Sloonei n1. So they in fact probably tried to kill Sloonei and Jay on n1.

how did they try to kill two people? or is that your point

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:54 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm And it would appear that the Mafia took a direct shot at Sloonei n1. So they in fact probably tried to kill Sloonei and Jay on n1.

how did they try to kill two people? or is that your point

they tried to kill 3 actually

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:54 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm And it would appear that the Mafia took a direct shot at Sloonei n1. So they in fact probably tried to kill Sloonei and Jay on n1.

how did they try to kill two people? or is that your point

they tried to kill 3 actually

on the same night?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm And it would appear that the Mafia took a direct shot at Sloonei n1. So they in fact probably tried to kill Sloonei and Jay on n1.

I may be Mafia God but they will catch bullets before me most of the time. So you needn't humour gamestate driven paranoia in this particular instance imo.

But if you were to insist said paranoia would make sense to be towards not me anyway on account of the fact that I am LACK CLAIRE.

So you seem to think hawk was not carrying the kill then?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm And it would appear that the Mafia took a direct shot at Sloonei n1. So they in fact probably tried to kill Sloonei and Jay on n1.

I may be Mafia God but they will catch bullets before me most of the time. So you needn't humour gamestate driven paranoia in this particular instance imo.

But if you were to insist said paranoia would make sense to be towards not me anyway on account of the fact that I am LACK CLAIRE.

So you seem to think hawk was not carrying the kill then?

I'd like to reiterate this. Why are you so convinced that Sloonei's vest is what stopped the kill?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm And it would appear that the Mafia took a direct shot at Sloonei n1. So they in fact probably tried to kill Sloonei and Jay on n1.

I may be Mafia God but they will catch bullets before me most of the time. So you needn't humour gamestate driven paranoia in this particular instance imo.

But if you were to insist said paranoia would make sense to be towards not me anyway on account of the fact that I am LACK CLAIRE.

So you seem to think hawk was not carrying the kill then?

I'd like to reiterate this. Why are you so convinced that Sloonei's vest is what stopped the kill?

Sloonei said he had a reason to think so. I am trusting the champ.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:56 pm If Sloonei had a vest n1 then Hawk being blocked means fuck all ergo this wagon needs competition.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm And it would appear that the Mafia took a direct shot at Sloonei n1. So they in fact probably tried to kill Sloonei and Jay on n1.

I may be Mafia God but they will catch bullets before me most of the time. So you needn't humour gamestate driven paranoia in this particular instance imo.

But if you were to insist said paranoia would make sense to be towards not me anyway on account of the fact that I am LACK CLAIRE.

So you seem to think hawk was not carrying the kill then?

I'd like to reiterate this. Why are you so convinced that Sloonei's vest is what stopped the kill?

Sloonei said he had a reason to think so. I am trusting the champ.

Sloonei said he still had the vest when he first started talking about it. When did he say he had a reason to think so? This seems pretty contradictory.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:38 pm I now think it is possible I was the night 1 target. If true, my survival might have scared the mafia team off from attempting it a second time.

I do not think Jay agrees to a plan that pits him and gavial together in cupid's den. And that sort of situation is not the sort of overt lie I think he makes up if he is mafia. I believe his version of events right now.

I do not have an outright justification for Mac being alive as town, but I don't feel like I need one.

Kito was a claimed town power role that is very easy to verify and that has (I think?) at least a relatively helpful ability. I'm unclear on what exactly a "gift vendor" is, but I assume it hands out various 1-shot items (I've always referred to that type of role as an "inventor" and I'm not sure if there's a distinction between the two). That's a good role.

This mafia team has lost two members on each of the first two days AND they failed to execute their first nightkill. If the poisoner is theirs, that has failed to deliver them a kill as well, though it appears likely it'll be successful today.
This is all to say that I don't think the mafia team is feeling particularly confident about their place in this game right now. Sure it is possible there's a "deepwolf" in there, but even if this is the case, they are close to being stranded if they are not there already. My impression is the town has done an excellent job at coming together and is squeezing the mafia team out of the game.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:46 pm And it would appear that the Mafia took a direct shot at Sloonei n1. So they in fact probably tried to kill Sloonei and Jay on n1.

I may be Mafia God but they will catch bullets before me most of the time. So you needn't humour gamestate driven paranoia in this particular instance imo.

But if you were to insist said paranoia would make sense to be towards not me anyway on account of the fact that I am LACK CLAIRE.

So you seem to think hawk was not carrying the kill then?

I'd like to reiterate this. Why are you so convinced that Sloonei's vest is what stopped the kill?

Sloonei said he had a reason to think so. I am trusting the champ.

Sloonei said he still had the vest when he first started talking about it. When did he say he had a reason to think so? This seems pretty contradictory.

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:59 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:56 pm If Sloonei had a vest n1 then Hawk being blocked means fuck all ergo this wagon needs competition.

who do you think that competition should be?