The Syndicate

oh, you must be implying that he pushed you on d1-d2, whereas i only remember his pushing as existing on d3. i'm open to being proven wrong

he threw shade on me BEFORE that is my point

d1/d2

"I tonally like outed wolf's response to Hally's post there." in his first opening wall post
"Talk to me about the slot? I don't have many thoughts about it at the moment. Their posts didn't really register."
second post

Outed wolf, bronana (Zack?), headspace? I'd like to hear more from you two than complaints about my logic. Unless you're afraid of interacting with me.


I don't know what Visor is. A bit suspicious of Zack and SPF but it's nebulous. I have more reasons to townread SPF than I do to townread Zack.

Visor is a wolf.

I do not have an argument to back this up.

Discuss.

I actually did want people to discuss this because I personally have no idea how to read him as of right now and it's day 2.

The towniest post I've seen from you is the post calling me wrong in big letters and making fun of me for that. And that's only because it was very funny.

Other than that, I haven't been able to find you yet, if you are town.

Village:

Alison
Amy (IF she doesn't get counterclaimed)
Arete
Chloe
Dizzy
Marl
Nutella

Village with reservations:

c4 (I don't understand his POV sometimes and his progression on Gavial-related reads day 1 doesn't track in a really odd way.)
staypositivefriend (I have no concrete reasons to townread her beyond just liking her posts, vibing, and internally wanting her to be town so we can solve the game together.)

Leaving:

Dya (I'm going to sheep thread consensus on this one, especially if the other alternative is still just Alison)
Sunbae
Visor
Zack

etc

i thought he voted me at some point but that was marl

he just kept putting me/sunbae/zack in this tier of pushable villagers

like none of those interactions are interactions to 'look good'

he just figured he could keep pushing me so thats what he did

alright, thanks

i agree that he threw shade on you multiple times and kept you in his pool of immediate suspects, but it might be a slight exaggeration to say that he tried to kill you, don't you think? he didn't vote for you at any point (as far as i can tell) and much of his shade on you appears to have existed in conjunction w/shade against zack/sunbae as well. since vulgard showed that they weren't even remotely shy about bussing (ie: their early interactions with dya), i don't find it implausible that vulgard would go out of his way to shade you in a world where you two are W/W

again, what is the point of him pushing me as w/w when i am townreading him and basically everyone is townreading me?

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:30 am again, what is the point of him pushing me as w/w when i am townreading him and basically everyone is townreading me?

well i mean, the obvious answer is: "to make it look like you aren't partnered". if all he did was buddy you all game then it would make the two of you look compatible when the other shoe dropped - i doubt that vulgard would roll wolf with you and cash all his chips in the belief that the two of you could endgame together without being caught - the position that he put you in (shading) doesn't feel unusual for partners at all tbqh

im not saying they make you wolfy, i just dont really find them town indicative for you

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:30 am alright, thanks

i agree that he threw shade on you multiple times and kept you in his pool of immediate suspects, but it might be a slight exaggeration to say that he tried to kill you, don't you think? he didn't vote for you at any point (as far as i can tell) and much of his shade on you appears to have existed in conjunction w/shade against zack/sunbae as well. since vulgard showed that they weren't even remotely shy about bussing (ie: their early interactions with dya), i don't find it implausible that vulgard would go out of his way to shade you in a world where you two are W/W

yes and guess what zack and sunbae were

VILLAGERS

are you like deliberately trying to not understand what im getting at here?

i was WIDELY townread except for marl who barely pushed me at all.

i didnt need to be bussed. theres no point to bussing a widely townread wolf.

what is the point of pushing me who is townreading him?

well i mean, the obvious answer is: "to make it look like you aren't partnered". if all he did was buddy you all game then it would make the two of you look compatible when the other shoe dropped

along with everyone else in teh game who a) townread him b) townread me

if everyones compatible why would i stand out?

i pushed dya

the same way zack pushed kza

and sunbae pushed dya

and he wolfread all of us because we were the ones pushing on wolves.

(now obv other people also pushed wolves but i want to note that group in particular because we were part of a lot of his 'pushes' this game

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:32 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:30 am alright, thanks

i agree that he threw shade on you multiple times and kept you in his pool of immediate suspects, but it might be a slight exaggeration to say that he tried to kill you, don't you think? he didn't vote for you at any point (as far as i can tell) and much of his shade on you appears to have existed in conjunction w/shade against zack/sunbae as well. since vulgard showed that they weren't even remotely shy about bussing (ie: their early interactions with dya), i don't find it implausible that vulgard would go out of his way to shade you in a world where you two are W/W

yes and guess what zack and sunbae were

VILLAGERS

....so? you're arguing that vulgard wouldn't go out of his way to shade you and try to make you look bad when you were universally townread, but that straight up is just not the experience of a good portion of the mafia games that i've played. partners, especially partners that are hyperworried about looking like partners, will often go out of their way to distance in sub-optimal situations. if vulgard tried to get you KILLED, i would agree with your point, but he didn't

guess i really am gonna have to vote you in f3 huh

well glgl.

lol alright then

so many times youve come out confidently and said i cant be a wolf for x/y/z and yet here we are again

im just the go to eh?

i'm not even wolfreading you right now, i just don't agree that the argument that you're making is as strong as you're implying it is

i mean you're not really wolfreading anyone rn lol

are you intentionally acting combative and frustrated now because i said that i was worried that you werent stressed enough? lmao. i don't understand your attitude right now, i think that your argument for why vulgard's interactions spew you as a villager are based on assumptions that are mildly flawed. that does NOT make you a wolf, it just means that i disagree with the point

also i have a POE of 2 names and one name that i clearly wolfread more than the other in that POE - to say that i'm "not wolfreading anyone right now" is just a deliberate misinterpretation of my posts

oh cool zackpost

and some spf/visor posts i actually feel p good about

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

think c4 is just the chop today, a large part of me still feels like visor is the wolf but fuck it

Nutella if you are worried I am the what you should've done is said I was an obvious villager

That way the wolf kills me and you don't have to worry

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:41 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:10 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:54 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:52 pmWell if you're town, do you really trust me to vote correctly in F3?

Uh.

I don't understand this question. That depends on what correctly is, and it depends who is in F3 and it depends on how the game looks then and also how much work you are willing to put in.

I'm saying that I don't think I have a great reason to fight for survival.

if this is the case, why even bother making a self-preservation vote at the end of yesterday? why not let yourself die?

I don't have to fight tooth and nail to type out [ vote ] Arete [ /vote ]

right, but you're making it sound like you think it would be beneficial for you to die before the f3. at the same time, you made a move at the end of yesterday that guaranteed that you would survive for another day. i'm just curious if dying in this game is something that you actually want to happen

I don't understand this line of questioning at all, SPF.

"If you are town, why did you not just self sacrifice hmmmm" like wat

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:59 am i could sit out and stress over this game for hours on end like i have the last couple days, but im done. it didnt help me make any good decisions and i let arete and syn die when i wasnt even internally confident they would flip wolves. they were just an easy answer.

c4 is also an easy answer i suppose but i think hes also th emost likely out of those three and ive been trying to get him killed for days.

I feel this so much and I want to trust this again.

I'm tired of going in circles. Reading Zack's posts, I was just like "yep, don't know why it's still so hard". And I don't have energy nor time to actually suffer through all this.

At the same time though, I have a weird feeling it may not be c4. Some things just don't fit. And now I'm as far as wondering if Nut has the scum game of her life.

I have to go now, but there's something I'm interested to check. If anyone wants to bother or if @Arete has the time and feel it's interesting:

How was c4's position when Vulgard and Dya both decided to lolcat? Did he look not teamed with them, was he set up for a win?

How did c4 react the day we yeeted Dya? He said something about the PoE, when he really wanted me in it. Did the PoE include Dya or was it just him and Syn? This last question is confusing, but I'm interested in what he said that day.

Basically, largely - Was c4 boxed in when Dya/Vulgard kind of gave up? Cause if he was, it does't really make sense that it's him.

i've decided to trust dizzy unconditionally for the rest of this game

are you guys actively trying to get dizzy killed instead of me so i have to suffer and pick wrong in f3

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:09 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:41 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:10 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:59 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:54 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:52 pmWell if you're town, do you really trust me to vote correctly in F3?

Uh.

I don't understand this question. That depends on what correctly is, and it depends who is in F3 and it depends on how the game looks then and also how much work you are willing to put in.

I'm saying that I don't think I have a great reason to fight for survival.

if this is the case, why even bother making a self-preservation vote at the end of yesterday? why not let yourself die?

I don't have to fight tooth and nail to type out [ vote ] Arete [ /vote ]

right, but you're making it sound like you think it would be beneficial for you to die before the f3. at the same time, you made a move at the end of yesterday that guaranteed that you would survive for another day. i'm just curious if dying in this game is something that you actually want to happen

I don't understand this line of questioning at all, SPF.

"If you are town, why did you not just self sacrifice hmmmm" like wat

if he believes that it would be optimal for him to die before the f3, then that wasn't reflected in his actions at the very end of yesterday. that's p much it

i'll be out for most of this evening. at this rate i probably just want to kill c4 and then see what happens if the game is still going

I uh expected some kind of posting overnight

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:26 pm I uh expected some kind of posting overnight

meh

i'm done putting effort into this game


fmpov it's either c4 or you, theres not really anything more to look into that i haven't already

You think it's me for the same reason you thought it was SPF

You just confirmation biased yourself into it lol

kinda yes

hopefully it's c4

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:28 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:26 pm I uh expected some kind of posting overnight

meh

i'm done putting effort into this game


fmpov it's either c4 or you, theres not really anything more to look into that i haven't already

im actually fairly surprised at how quickly you seem to have shifted into believing that im a villager, given how strong your concern about me felt in the earlier dayphases

but i feel like im kicking the hornets nest by making this post so i probably shouldnt complain lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:28 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:26 pm I uh expected some kind of posting overnight

meh

i'm done putting effort into this game


fmpov it's either c4 or you, theres not really anything more to look into that i haven't already

im actually fairly surprised at how quickly you seem to have shifted into believing that im a villager, given how strong your concern about me felt in the earlier dayphases

but i feel like im kicking the hornets nest by making this post so i probably shouldnt complain lol

i mean

i still have some degree of fear

but your posts today have felt good and dizzy feeling better about you helps a lot too

that's fair

i hope it's just c4

Can't wait for the SPF dizzy Nutella f3

honestly i wouldnt even mind if that was the f3, it would be spicy as hell

Lol I agree

I have some ideas of who I would vote for out of two options but having three to choose from I would just be along for the ride

Also I would be dead so can't complain lol

@c4e5g3d5 pls do anything

I'm looking forward to aretes post

SPF where is this other C4 wolf game that isn't cov

I mean I can see some of spf's stuff as trying to appeal to my godread of her

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:30 pm hello

i will do my best to avoid responding to suspicion toward me today, because it tends to irk me a bit and distracts me from doing the solving that would be beneficial for the entire game. (although i will towncase myself if it would be beneficial overall - i think the frustration i had yesterday stemmed from the feeling that nobody had closely read my progression on dya, which is the thing in this game that i feel should clear me as a villager in just about every world.)

i have a limited amount of free time this week especially, and that really cripples my ability to do my ~process~ in the same way that i like to do when i have a lot of time on my hands. even so, here's my plan for today:

we have three chops left. if i can narrow down the wolves in this game to two possible names, then i can allow myself to be chopped and force everyone else to follow my legacy once i flip. the goal for today, then, is to narrow down my POE to exactly two names. i'll try to provide an answer for this at the end of these 48 hours

Like I know she knows I'd normally lock her town for this post

But what she says about how she busses is true

I get that she was ironically milking it for towncred by saying that she always milks her busses for towncred and didn't here
But she waited so long to do it and she doesn't do that as a wolf
I just don't think that's a detail she thinks of

I hate it here

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:00 pm SPF where is this other C4 wolf game that isn't cov

One sec I'll grab it

https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c49h1981947
I wouldn't count on it being useful tho

I'm not doing this
@nutella where do I vote

is spf still a villager iyo?

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 pm is spf still a villager iyo?

Yes
As you can see there's a problem here

so whos the wolf then

out of nutella, myself and dyslexicon

how am i supposed to find you as a villager lol

you havent posted in 3 days phases basically