The Syndicate

Polo wrote:Before I sleep:

a2thezebra is not on the poll.

I demand a recount.

Unbelievable. I did it again.

"So say we all".

I'll never get that right.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Since I can't be nightkilled, I wonder how safe I will be if I shout...

"DOWN WITH CAIN! DOWN WITH CAIN! DOWN WITH CAIN! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!"

Uncertain Trigonometry.

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Players ...and that's terrible. vlei missed disputatious salute:

movables Dream Walker
sig
Sokoth
Lost Rabbi
Ender
JaggedJimmyJay

Ricochet wrote:Players ...and that's terrible. vlei missed disputatious salute:

movables Dream Walker
sig
Sokoth
Lost Rabbi
Ender
JaggedJimmyJay

I wonder how many I get before I'm modkilled.

Dex wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dex wrote:Who wants to do a sortie? Only B1, C2, C6, F1 and F3 remain.

WOW! We're that close, eh?

I will send a Sortie to B1 then.

Excellent! I think it's a good idea that the Pegasus flies some of these missions.

DrumBeats wrote:Sig is my top scumread, but he's safe today. Notice how he waited until the beginning of today to claim, the most opportunistic time for him. It's early enough to seem like he did it on his own accord, not to avoid a lynch, but it was still late enough to save his ass today.

Yeah sig looks pretty awful all around. He was 0 for 8 in getting town reads in the GTH exercise and that might have motivated him to "join" the cylon claimers immediately -- or at least when the day phase started. I struggle to see a scenario in which he is good.

So say we all.

ObscureAllure wrote:SD and Juliets - it's that people are saying "I don't see it, she didn't say anything what did she say?" Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it's not there.

Question for the thread. So I have this guard dog who was up barking all last night. Suddenly in the middle the night it stops. What do you guys think? Do you think the threat went away? Do you think the threat was actually a friendly neighbor? Do you think there was never any threat to begin with and I just need a new guard dog? Do you think someone tranquilized my dog to make it shut up? Do you think the dog was abducted by aliens? These are the things that keep Me Up at night.

OA, I think we are talking at odds here. There is a missed connection in my point. I'm not arguing there is nothing there and in fact until you came in to seemed to deny having said that you were punished for something you said, I had no issue with what you said. And even now I think you are just not understanding what I was suspicious about. And I have no frakking clue what the second paragraph was even about....

Matt wrote:I know Polo posted a list, but just wanted to post my updated list... (they might be the same, probably are, derp)...

a2thezebra
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Glorfindel
OA
Ricotech
sig
Sokoth
Vompatti

9 players. Is that correct? Someone said 7 earlier, so I don't know if I'm missing something somewhere...

Of the names above, I am most curious of the red. Oh, and OA. She def not civ, right?

Daisy, Sokoth seems to be a friend of yours. What do you make of him seeing you claim Cylon but he won't do it himself? As a noob to Mafia, I'd assume he'd look to your lead in situations like this where the town is conflicted.

sig - I'm not down with anyone not claiming but I find you most curious because you have been legit asking others to claim but you won't do it yourself. Wtf?

Anyway, off to work. Peace

Just because he's my friend doesn't mean he just blindly does what I do. He is an intelligent guy, and so far this game he has not seemed to rely on my opinions at all.

Silverwolf wrote:I also feel like everyone should claim cylon but it's obvious there are some who are not going to-Epi, Sokoth, OA and I am not going to push to lynch people for having minds of their own. So in any case, I'd like everyone that is willing to claim, claim and if you don't, just tell us why as these 3 already have. Even if they get out of a lynch down the road and are cylon, I still don't want to force anyone to go along with group think. We are not a cult here. I'm o.k. with them saying no. I think we've wasted a lot of game time trying to convince people to do it who are not going to.

^This! I'm done listening to the yelling and carrying on to try and convince everyone to claim. Would you really suspect those last nine who balked any less now than you did? Even if Sig claims it won't matter now because it will look like he was holding it until it could save him. Drop the plea for them to do it and start building cases on them if you suspect they are cylons. But stop caps locking about it, because it doesn't do any good.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Linki, lol, how much time?

And couple of days. Can you just lynch Cylons until then or something? Is your win conditions going to be resolved in that time? You don't need Cain gone until it is time to end the game. I swear to you that you are better off and will have a greater chance of winning if you let me be. Unless you get lynched instead. But thats obvious.

Epignosis wrote:"I can write my name."

"Can you now?"

"No. I need time."

Crappy comparison. Don't do that. It's not that simple, you don't know what's going on.

Oh, no, you're absolutely right. I don't. Over my head. Pardon me while I fuck off some galaxy.

Wait, LC confirmed he is Cain?

Coming into this thread feels a bit like unknowingly wandering into an insane asylum. You think everything is cool and normal until you see some guy talking to his sock puppet and a woman rocking in the corner and all you can think is, "what the fuck is going on here?" That is how I feel reading this thread. I do not understand what most of you are doing. People I have played with for years are suddenly acting insane. I just can't even...

Sig claimed? Let's lynch him first, test him out. If he is as bad as he looks he will survive and we will know he is cylon for certain. but just not voting him because he claimed and it would be a wasted vote is silly. If you still suspect him and will vote him tomorrow anyway, we might as well just coordinate the second place vote winner to cover his claim giving him immunity. Give Bea or Wilgy the second most votes. Personally I prefer Bea because I honestly am suspecting her the most right now. That's my opinion at the moment. Not sure if I'm alone in this though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And I know 3J asked last night, but I have nothing new to raise. When I gave him the pretzel award, I don't think he was genuinely invested in what he was saying. He was making the evidence fit the conclusion he wanted.

Consider for a moment that you were the person of interest in the post I made that earned your pretzel award. I think you're letting personal bias cloud your judgment of me. I don't think any significant reaches were required to draw the conclusion that I drew relative to nutella and her interaction with you. I am less inclined to read you as bad at this point, but I don't think I was so off base before as you're asserting I would had to be (so far off base that it wasn't a sincere thought).

I thought that quoting the post that earned you Epi's Pretzel was worthwhile:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The second post in the spoiler is the point of interest, because the posts following it are essentially just her defending herself after being called out for that. I think it's safe to say that her claim that "she would have voted for Epig" had she not missed the vote was a belated credit grab. She wanted to partake in the pseudo-celebration of having just lynched a cylon without noting that it wasn't quite a certainty that he was actually bad. At face value I'd say that's a pretty bad look for Epignosis.

I don't see how you draw that conclusion.

If I'm right that her claim that she'd have voted for you was an attempt to collect some credit alongside the people who actually did, then that implies she thought voting for Epignosis would have looked good for her. I don't think she was entirely caught up with things or had really thought it through at that point, meaning she wasn't considering the possibility that you're not a bad cylon -- which would suggest she did think you were a bad cylon. If she herself was a bad cylon then the implication is you're team mates.

nutella was the "person of interest", right? I... it's too late and I'm too many drinks in to follow this one any further. Sorry, I kind of tried. Make it simpler.

Long Con wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And I know 3J asked last night, but I have nothing new to raise. When I gave him the pretzel award, I don't think he was genuinely invested in what he was saying. He was making the evidence fit the conclusion he wanted.

Consider for a moment that you were the person of interest in the post I made that earned your pretzel award. I think you're letting personal bias cloud your judgment of me. I don't think any significant reaches were required to draw the conclusion that I drew relative to nutella and her interaction with you. I am less inclined to read you as bad at this point, but I don't think I was so off base before as you're asserting I would had to be (so far off base that it wasn't a sincere thought).

I thought that quoting the post that earned you Epi's Pretzel was worthwhile:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The second post in the spoiler is the point of interest, because the posts following it are essentially just her defending herself after being called out for that. I think it's safe to say that her claim that "she would have voted for Epig" had she not missed the vote was a belated credit grab. She wanted to partake in the pseudo-celebration of having just lynched a cylon without noting that it wasn't quite a certainty that he was actually bad. At face value I'd say that's a pretty bad look for Epignosis.

I don't see how you draw that conclusion.

If I'm right that her claim that she'd have voted for you was an attempt to collect some credit alongside the people who actually did, then that implies she thought voting for Epignosis would have looked good for her. I don't think she was entirely caught up with things or had really thought it through at that point, meaning she wasn't considering the possibility that you're not a bad cylon -- which would suggest she did think you were a bad cylon. If she herself was a bad cylon then the implication is you're team mates.

nutella was the "person of interest", right? I... it's too late and I'm too many drinks in to follow this one any further. Sorry, I kind of tried. Make it simpler.

I had drawn the conclusion that Epignosis himself looked worse in light of nutella flipping as a likely-baddie cylon based upon the point I was describing in that post. I guess you could say both of them were "people of interest", but nutella was dead and I was reading Epignosis.

I think there's a decent chance that pure process of elimination would prove productive in this scenario, because I'm not inclined to tinfoil on any of the more-consensus town reads. I know I'm good and I feel quite good about Silverwolf, S~V~S, Ricochet, DrumBeats, Black Rock, G-Man, ObscureAllure, and even SokothQultug. To a lesser extent I am feeling decent about Epignosis, Glorfindel, juliets, and Matt. That narrows the field significantly.

Spacedaisy wrote:^This! I'm done listening to the yelling and carrying on to try and convince everyone to claim. Would you really suspect those last nine who balked any less now than you did? Even if Sig claims it won't matter now because it will look like he was holding it until it could save him. Drop the plea for them to do it and start building cases on them if you suspect they are cylons. But stop caps locking about it, because it doesn't do any good.

Great point. It's time to start building non-claim-related cases on any non-claimers we think are suspect. Non-claiming is a valid starting point... but I doubt that all non-claimers are bad. Let the cases continue what good work we can salvage from Roslin's awesomely insane Amnesty Act.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Linki, lol, how much time?

And couple of days. Can you just lynch Cylons until then or something? Is your win conditions going to be resolved in that time? You don't need Cain gone until it is time to end the game. I swear to you that you are better off and will have a greater chance of winning if you let me be. Unless you get lynched instead. But thats obvious.

Epignosis wrote:"I can write my name."

"Can you now?"

"No. I need time."

Crappy comparison. Don't do that. It's not that simple, you don't know what's going on.

Oh, no, you're absolutely right. I don't. Over my head. Pardon me while I fuck off some galaxy.

Wait, LC confirmed he is Cain?

What I want to do to clear my name is not related to Cain. It is related to me and my role and getting those who are tunnelling me to realize that they are wrong.

Coming into this thread feels a bit like unknowingly wandering into an insane asylum.

You're not the first to express this opinion.

You think everything is cool and normal until you see some guy talking to his sock puppet and a woman rocking in the corner and all you can think is, "what the fuck is going on here?" That is how I feel reading this thread. I do not understand what most of you are doing. People I have played with for years are suddenly acting insane. I just can't even...

Sig claimed? Let's lynch him first, test him out. If he is as bad as he looks he will survive and we will know he is cylon for certain. but just not voting him because he claimed and it would be a wasted vote is silly. If you still suspect him and will vote him tomorrow anyway, we might as well just coordinate the second place vote winner to cover his claim giving him immunity. Give Bea or Wilgy the second most votes. Personally I prefer Bea because I honestly am suspecting her the most right now. That's my opinion at the moment. Not sure if I'm alone in this though.

If sig isn't a Cylon then he will die by majority lynch. If he was made unable to claim last phase because of an external influence, then that would be a bitch of a thing to do to him.

If he is an evil Cylon then waiting until tomorrow to lynch him does nothing but allow him one more night to use whatever power he has.

We should lynch him if we think that his potential Cylon night power is worth the risk.

I have been more in the 'lynch sig' camp than not, so I imagine that I'd join a plan to put him in the lead, with another suspect decidedly in second in open-eyed preparation for his votes being zeroed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Long Con wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And I know 3J asked last night, but I have nothing new to raise. When I gave him the pretzel award, I don't think he was genuinely invested in what he was saying. He was making the evidence fit the conclusion he wanted.

Consider for a moment that you were the person of interest in the post I made that earned your pretzel award. I think you're letting personal bias cloud your judgment of me. I don't think any significant reaches were required to draw the conclusion that I drew relative to nutella and her interaction with you. I am less inclined to read you as bad at this point, but I don't think I was so off base before as you're asserting I would had to be (so far off base that it wasn't a sincere thought).

I thought that quoting the post that earned you Epi's Pretzel was worthwhile:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The second post in the spoiler is the point of interest, because the posts following it are essentially just her defending herself after being called out for that. I think it's safe to say that her claim that "she would have voted for Epig" had she not missed the vote was a belated credit grab. She wanted to partake in the pseudo-celebration of having just lynched a cylon without noting that it wasn't quite a certainty that he was actually bad. At face value I'd say that's a pretty bad look for Epignosis.

I don't see how you draw that conclusion.

If I'm right that her claim that she'd have voted for you was an attempt to collect some credit alongside the people who actually did, then that implies she thought voting for Epignosis would have looked good for her. I don't think she was entirely caught up with things or had really thought it through at that point, meaning she wasn't considering the possibility that you're not a bad cylon -- which would suggest she did think you were a bad cylon. If she herself was a bad cylon then the implication is you're team mates.

nutella was the "person of interest", right? I... it's too late and I'm too many drinks in to follow this one any further. Sorry, I kind of tried. Make it simpler.

I had drawn the conclusion that Epignosis himself looked worse in light of nutella flipping as a likely-baddie cylon based upon the point I was describing in that post. I guess you could say both of them were "people of interest", but nutella was dead and I was reading Epignosis.

It's a really easy statement for her to make at the point she made it. She isn't dumb, so she has the potential ability to make a statement like that with the intention of drawing others to the conclusions you came to in the event of her lynch. It also could have been just a "safe" statement, or one to look like just another clueless Civ-type. It's not a rock-solid place upon which to build a case to lynch Epi.

Ricochet wrote:People should simply address what has been pointed at in regards to him being a Cylon and decide if it sounds genuine / plausible / etc. or not. You can stick with the Cain vibes just as much, if you like, but address actual suggestive statements made in the game first. My only gripe, as I've said before, is for it not to turn out to be yet another messy "Boomslang gambit".

I urge locate to Diabolic Manipulator this. So far nobody is Desperate Baddie a crap or has subarborescent on the issue of what Boomslang did back who saltpeter when.

Civilian significative will be on your hands if you let pursy Con slip out of this amoroso.

Long Con wrote:It's a really easy statement for her to make at the point she made it. She isn't dumb, so she has the potential ability to make a statement like that with the intention of drawing others to the conclusions you came to in the event of her lynch. It also could have been just a "safe" statement, or one to look like just another clueless Civ-type. It's not a rock-solid place upon which to build a case to lynch Epi.

All of this "it could have been blah blah blah" can be applied to anything a baddie says. One has to read the content they put in the thread and make a judgment. I don't actually know yet whether I was right or wrong about that, but it's not a case I have continually pushed. I have shown no interest in lynching Epignosis since early Day 2.

Ricochet wrote:

Ricochet wrote:People should simply address what has been pointed at in regards to him being a Cylon and decide if it sounds genuine / plausible / etc. or not. You can stick with the Cain vibes just as much, if you like, but address actual suggestive statements made in the game first. My only gripe, as I've said before, is for it not to turn out to be yet another messy "Boomslang gambit".

I urge locate to Diabolic Manipulator this. So far nobody is Desperate Baddie a crap or has subarborescent on the issue of what Boomslang did back who saltpeter when.

Civilian significative will be on your hands if you let pursy Con slip out of this amoroso.

Right, the Boomslang reference, I forgot to weigh in. First of all, thanks for bringing it up, because it was [expletive-rich descriptive rant redacted] and I'm still upset about it, among other things. Boomslang high-tailed it out of here for a month and a half after that shameful display blew up in his face. I'm not sure if I'll keep to my sworn revenge against him next time I see him in a game at this point, because I'll be so happy to see him back again that I'd almost feel bad. The most important factor here being that I get to bitch about what Boomslang did without having to be a dick and bring it up myself. So again, thanks Rico.

But back to this game... S~V~S has already claimed to have no info despite no one else even remotely bringing the subject up... and Boomslang was acting just how a person with info who didn't give-a-damn-who-knows-it would act. So my initial interpretation of your application of the Boomslang Gambit (S~V~S) doesn't really compute for me.

If you are making a wholly different point, then it is over my head.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Long Con wrote:It's a really easy statement for her to make at the point she made it. She isn't dumb, so she has the potential ability to make a statement like that with the intention of drawing others to the conclusions you came to in the event of her lynch. It also could have been just a "safe" statement, or one to look like just another clueless Civ-type. It's not a rock-solid place upon which to build a case to lynch Epi.

All of this "it could have been blah blah blah" can be applied to anything a baddie says. One has to read the content they put in the thread and make a judgment.

Upon reread of my post, I'm pretty sure that's what I was doing.

I don't actually know yet whether I was right or wrong about that, but it's not a case I have continually pushed. I have shown no interest in lynching Epignosis since early Day 2.

Look, I've had a few drinks, and I don't know why this was originally brought up. But you sound really wishy-washy here. This whole last part reads like backing off and palms-out placating right now, but how all this came up is a factor on that judgement.

Just... damn. Read it yourself and tell me that's an unreasonable read.

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Ricochet wrote:People should simply address what has been pointed at in regards to him being a Cylon and decide if it sounds genuine / plausible / etc. or not. You can stick with the Cain vibes just as much, if you like, but address actual suggestive statements made in the game first. My only gripe, as I've said before, is for it not to turn out to be yet another messy "Boomslang gambit".

I urge locate to Diabolic Manipulator this. So far nobody is Desperate Baddie a crap or has subarborescent on the issue of what Boomslang did back who saltpeter when.

Civilian significative will be on your hands if you let pursy Con slip out of this amoroso.

Right, the Boomslang reference, I forgot to weigh in. First of all, thanks for bringing it up, because it was [expletive-rich descriptive rant redacted] and I'm still upset about it, among other things. Boomslang high-tailed it out of here for a month and a half after that shameful display blew up in his face. I'm not sure if I'll keep to my sworn revenge against him next time I see him in a game at this point, because I'll be so happy to see him back again that I'd almost feel bad. The most important factor here being that I get to bitch about what Boomslang did without having to be a dick and bring it up myself. So again, thanks Rico.

But back to this game... S~V~S has already claimed to have no info despite no one else even remotely bringing the subject up... and Boomslang was acting just how a person with info who didn't give-a-damn-who-knows-it would act. So my initial interpretation of your application of the Boomslang Gambit (S~V~S) doesn't really compute for me.

If you are making a wholly different point, then it is over my head.

Hysterical the SVS I literally reword NOT TO focus on Boomslang's disasterous happening and Damned Worm write me a prose Emperor Dalek on it!

And mumps never implied SVS is flaming Mickey Smith gambiter in this situation. We're talking about a ADDICTEDTOTHESHINDIG different regulars here.

Long Con wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Long Con wrote:It's a really easy statement for her to make at the point she made it. She isn't dumb, so she has the potential ability to make a statement like that with the intention of drawing others to the conclusions you came to in the event of her lynch. It also could have been just a "safe" statement, or one to look like just another clueless Civ-type. It's not a rock-solid place upon which to build a case to lynch Epi.

All of this "it could have been blah blah blah" can be applied to anything a baddie says. One has to read the content they put in the thread and make a judgment.

Upon reread of my post, I'm pretty sure that's what I was doing.

I don't actually know yet whether I was right or wrong about that, but it's not a case I have continually pushed. I have shown no interest in lynching Epignosis since early Day 2.

Look, I've had a few drinks, and I don't know why this was originally brought up. But you sound really wishy-washy here. This whole last part reads like backing off and palms-out placating right now, but how all this came up is a factor on that judgement.

Just... damn. Read it yourself and tell me that's an unreasonable read.

I don't really know why it was brought up either. Epignosis has said he thinks I'm bad and this was the reason he gave -- it's many days old at this point and hasn't been relevant for a long while. It's not "backing off" of anything because the read has changed in the time since I expressed it. There are literally thousands of posts between that one and this discussion, so it's quite silly to talk about the progression of my read without considering all of that time and content.

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Ricochet wrote:People should simply address what has been pointed at in regards to him being a Cylon and decide if it sounds genuine / plausible / etc. or not. You can stick with the Cain vibes just as much, if you like, but address actual suggestive statements made in the game first. My only gripe, as I've said before, is for it not to turn out to be yet another messy "Boomslang gambit".

I urge locate to Diabolic Manipulator this. So far nobody is Desperate Baddie a crap or has subarborescent on the issue of what Boomslang did back who saltpeter when.

Civilian significative will be on your hands if you let pursy Con slip out of this amoroso.

Right, the Boomslang reference, I forgot to weigh in. First of all, thanks for bringing it up, because it was [expletive-rich descriptive rant redacted] and I'm still upset about it, among other things. Boomslang high-tailed it out of here for a month and a half after that shameful display blew up in his face. I'm not sure if I'll keep to my sworn revenge against him next time I see him in a game at this point, because I'll be so happy to see him back again that I'd almost feel bad. The most important factor here being that I get to bitch about what Boomslang did without having to be a dick and bring it up myself. So again, thanks Rico.

But back to this game... S~V~S has already claimed to have no info despite no one else even remotely bringing the subject up... and Boomslang was acting just how a person with info who didn't give-a-damn-who-knows-it would act. So my initial interpretation of your application of the Boomslang Gambit (S~V~S) doesn't really compute for me.

If you are making a wholly different point, then it is over my head.

Hysterical the SVS I literally reword NOT TO focus on Boomslang's disasterous happening and Damned Worm write me a prose Emperor Dalek on it!

And mumps never implied SVS is flaming Mickey Smith gambiter in this situation. We're talking about a ADDICTEDTOTHESHINDIG different regulars here.

Oh, sorry. "My only gripe, as I've said before, is for it not to turn out to be yet another messy "Boomslang gambit"." This really sounds like a warning that we were potentially headed for a Boomslang Gambit. I'll refrain from commenting again until I understand better.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Long Con wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Long Con wrote:It's a really easy statement for her to make at the point she made it. She isn't dumb, so she has the potential ability to make a statement like that with the intention of drawing others to the conclusions you came to in the event of her lynch. It also could have been just a "safe" statement, or one to look like just another clueless Civ-type. It's not a rock-solid place upon which to build a case to lynch Epi.

All of this "it could have been blah blah blah" can be applied to anything a baddie says. One has to read the content they put in the thread and make a judgment.

Upon reread of my post, I'm pretty sure that's what I was doing.

I don't actually know yet whether I was right or wrong about that, but it's not a case I have continually pushed. I have shown no interest in lynching Epignosis since early Day 2.

Look, I've had a few drinks, and I don't know why this was originally brought up. But you sound really wishy-washy here. This whole last part reads like backing off and palms-out placating right now, but how all this came up is a factor on that judgement.

Just... damn. Read it yourself and tell me that's an unreasonable read.

I don't really know why it was brought up either. Epignosis has said he thinks I'm bad and this was the reason he gave -- it's many days old at this point and hasn't been relevant for a long while. It's not "backing off" of anything because the read has changed in the time since I expressed it. There are literally thousands of posts between that one and this discussion, so it's quite silly to talk about the progression of my read without considering all of that time and content.

Gotcha. I'll leave that to Mr Epi then, and go to bed.

People who suspect me need to rationalize in this game thread where all can see exactly what strategy they believe I was employing on Day 2.

If I didn't build that case on nutella, she would not have been lynched. Call me arrogant or whatever if you like, but I think that's pretty obvious. If I'm being called bad, then that means I'm on her team -- show me the rationale. If there are proposed to be two baddie teams, then I have no reason to fudge my read on Epignosis. I'd have the freedom to provide genuine baddie hunting content. So show me the rationale.

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Ricochet wrote:People should simply address what has been pointed at in regards to him being a Cylon and decide if it sounds genuine / plausible / etc. or not. You can stick with the Cain vibes just as much, if you like, but address actual suggestive statements made in the game first. My only gripe, as I've said before, is for it not to turn out to be yet another messy "Boomslang gambit".

I urge locate to Diabolic Manipulator this. So far nobody is Desperate Baddie a crap or has subarborescent on the issue of what Boomslang did back who saltpeter when.

Civilian significative will be on your hands if you let pursy Con slip out of this amoroso.

Right, the Boomslang reference, I forgot to weigh in. First of all, thanks for bringing it up, because it was [expletive-rich descriptive rant redacted] and I'm still upset about it, among other things. Boomslang high-tailed it out of here for a month and a half after that shameful display blew up in his face. I'm not sure if I'll keep to my sworn revenge against him next time I see him in a game at this point, because I'll be so happy to see him back again that I'd almost feel bad. The most important factor here being that I get to bitch about what Boomslang did without having to be a dick and bring it up myself. So again, thanks Rico.

But back to this game... S~V~S has already claimed to have no info despite no one else even remotely bringing the subject up... and Boomslang was acting just how a person with info who didn't give-a-damn-who-knows-it would act. So my initial interpretation of your application of the Boomslang Gambit (S~V~S) doesn't really compute for me.

If you are making a wholly different point, then it is over my head.

Hysterical the SVS I literally reword NOT TO focus on Boomslang's disasterous happening and Damned Worm write me a prose Emperor Dalek on it!

And mumps never implied SVS is flaming Mickey Smith gambiter in this situation. We're talking about a ADDICTEDTOTHESHINDIG different regulars here.

Oh, sorry. "My only gripe, as I've said before, is for it not to turn out to be yet another messy "Boomslang gambit"." This really sounds like a warning that we were potentially headed for a Boomslang Gambit. I'll refrain from commenting again until I understand better.

Well, yeah, miscite not saying it's a 100% deal that you have been checked cupshaped confirmed Quaro. But I'm agleaminranks that, from what I picked reinvestment that's my postulatum nagging plainspoken.

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(...FRAK)

What does everyone think of Vompatti? I seem to be at liberty to talk about him and him only, oh my frak. He made a delicate post yesterNight implying he's bad Cylon. I know he had his outing-himself-as-baddie moments in the past (Biblical) and I even said (more or less humorously) that I'd believe him saying he's bad Cylon, but for what it's worth, my last impression of Vompatti is him outing himself with ease when he was civ on a mission (cop). Instead, if bad, I can see him not exactly working with his team in any way, but neither exactly outing himself or sabotaging the state of the team via exposure.

So Say We All!

I'm suss of many people, but right now at 2:12 am, my top three are...

sig, Sokoth, Ricotech

sig "claiming" while really not was hella suss. Even before Golden said something, my skin crawled. And I believe Polo and Dex jumped right in with a "Oh sig claimed guess he can't be lynched now"...hrm.

Sokoth is a noob and his anti-town agenda (yes ANTI-town as over half the town has agreed to claim and believe it is for the greater good) in his first game is interesting. And no, I was not implying that Sokoth would message Daisy illegally outside the game and ask her advice. I meant, as Daisy is one of his good friends apparently, and this is his first ever game, that he would see her claim and go "Hmmm, maybe I should give this a go".

Btw, that line about anti-town agenda, that officially goes for everyone who isn't claiming. You can say "witch hunt" or whatever till the cows come home, but right now, I wouldn't feel bad whatsoever if we lynched a non-claimer and they popped up "obvi civ", they are essentially helping the Cylons keep their amnesty because of their shenanis.

If Long Con isn't Cain, I could see Rico as Cain. And Cain needs to go.

Ricochet wrote:What does everyone think of Vompatti? I seem to be at liberty to talk about him and him only, oh my frak. He made a delicate post yesterNight implying he's bad Cylon. I know he had his outing-himself-as-baddie moments in the past (Biblical) and I even said (more or less humorously) that I'd believe him saying he's bad Cylon, but for what it's worth, my last impression of Vompatti is him outing himself with ease when he was civ on a mission (cop). Instead, if bad, I can see him not exactly working with his team in any way, but neither exactly outing himself or sabotaging the state of the team via exposure.

That's odd that you're allowed to talk about one player.

I'm not sure what to make of it, even if it is Vompatti you're allowed to talk about.

It's getting tiresome how 3J "never remembers" the So say we all.

Not tiresome really, just hella suspect tbh. Hrm.

With that, g'night.

Black Rock wrote:

Dex wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Nope SVS. Not that easy. I think you are trying to separate the two but the more I play this game (and the more I understood my role), the more I understand that faction is where we should be unless we're traitors. So are you Cylon or human traitor? They both exist.

Well, President Roslin passed the Cylon Amnesty Act. Is she Cylon or human traitor?

In the show, Roslin would never pass such a law. So who ever is playing this role is a human traitor. Roslin was never a huge Cylo9n sympathizer. They killed the human race o9n whole. Epig really does have the best Cylon role.

So a civvie can be a human traitor? But they are still town, right? This is not as simple as Humans vs. Cylons.

And I was not trying to imply that you are "that girl". The "so it is about LC" comment was aimed more at LC saying I was putting words in your mouth when I presumed that this was why you thought I was bad. I think you would have this attitude towards me if it was not LC as well. I said that as I would have said anyones name. I would not ever expect you to "be that girl" and I am sorry that I came across that way.

I am sorry but i think Cain is anti town. But I also agree to give him time as he asked. I don't have to vote until tomorrow. But I don't think Cain is a vanilla dictator. The other shoe is going to drop.

Sens a Sortie to F3 please.

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:What does everyone think of Vompatti? I seem to be at liberty to talk about him and him only, oh my frak. He made a delicate post yesterNight implying he's bad Cylon. I know he had his outing-himself-as-baddie moments in the past (Biblical) and I even said (more or less humorously) that I'd believe him saying he's bad Cylon, but for what it's worth, my last impression of Vompatti is him outing himself with ease when he was civ on a mission (cop). Instead, if bad, I can see him not exactly working with his team in any way, but neither exactly outing himself or sabotaging the state of the team via exposure.

That's odd that you're allowed to talk about one player.

I'm not sure what to make of it, even if it is Vompatti you're allowed to talk about.

I'd rather talk particulars normalJuliets Battle School. straitlaced

Ricochet wrote:If Long Con isn't Cain, I could see Rico as Cain. And Cain needs to go.

Tantalize. Flyin' High.

Rico's situation is interesting. Nobody had been insanified until now, I think, and I dunno if somebody has that power or if something he said triggered this event.

Matt wrote: Btw, that line about anti-town agenda, that officially goes for everyone who isn't claiming. You can say "witch hunt" or whatever till the cows come home, but right now, I wouldn't feel bad whatsoever if we lynched a non-claimer and they popped up "obvi civ", they are essentially helping the Cylons keep their amnesty because of their shenanis.

Zelda wouldn't suitable bad about civilians irreprovable sorely.

Han Tzu.

Wait, who hunts you?

Polo wrote:Rico's situation is interesting. Nobody had been insanified until now, I think, and I dunno if somebody has that power or if something he said triggered this event.

Diamond Dog are heliogram usually. Maybe mastermind undiscoverable.

Polo wrote:Wait, who hunts you?

tup again?

Do you feel like lynching Vompatti, Rico?

Polo wrote:Do you feel like lynching Vompatti, Rico?

Not at this point. That question was the only ping I got, but even then simply because his meta has had moments of rusing as a baddie with such claims. Otherwise, I find that he's poking around as usual. He's even posting slightly more than I'd expect from him.

Ricochet wrote:What does everyone think of Vompatti? I seem to be at liberty to talk about him and him only, oh my frak. He made a delicate post yesterNight implying he's bad Cylon. I know he had his outing-himself-as-baddie moments in the past (Biblical) and I even said (more or less humorously) that I'd believe him saying he's bad Cylon, but for what it's worth, my last impression of Vompatti is him outing himself with ease when he was civ on a mission (cop). Instead, if bad, I can see him not exactly working with his team in any way, but neither exactly outing himself or sabotaging the state of the team via exposure.

I think Vomps is a bit more chaotic when he is a civ. He's bored, and no one is relying on him. He tends to be more on topic on occasion when he's bad, and as I recall, he is a good teammate. He plots & shows up in chat & sends his PMs and would never intentionally sabotage his team. I have not seen that occasional glimmer of focus from him this game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And I know 3J asked last night, but I have nothing new to raise. When I gave him the pretzel award, I don't think he was genuinely invested in what he was saying. He was making the evidence fit the conclusion he wanted.

Consider for a moment that you were the person of interest in the post I made that earned your pretzel award. I think you're letting personal bias cloud your judgment of me. I don't think any significant reaches were required to draw the conclusion that I drew relative to nutella and her interaction with you. I am less inclined to read you as bad at this point, but I don't think I was so off base before as you're asserting I would had to be (so far off base that it wasn't a sincere thought).

I didn't consider you to be reaching or stretching. That would have merited a taffy award. You got a pretzel award, for excellent twisting. For example, the suggestion you are making here is that, in order for you to be insincere, your post had to be "so far off base." That sounds right, but it's demonstrably untrue. Civilians say far more off-base things (see Matt), but that doesn't make them insincere.

Another example of something I find insincere is that you open your response with the suggestion that I am letting personal bias cloud my judgment of you. Even though it's been days later since you posted about nutella and me, and even though you say you don't think I'm bad, you think my opinion is clouded by personal bias? Where was that same criticism when I made a fuss about sig, who wanted to pile votes on me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:A few are suspicious of JJJ-what's the case? I'm genuinely curious because I see him doing a lot of gamesolving along with Rico which is why I have those two as town. If either, both of them are scum, I'm likely not gonna catch them at this point so I'd like to see some reasoning on why if you suspect them. I'm open to listening on anyone as I'm have a really hard time getting good reads this game. It's frustrating the hell out of me tbh. Maybe it's cuz I don't know the lore.

This is why you're going to be mopped up here many times over if you play long enough. "Gamesolving" is a simple thing to fake. I can turn it on when I want to. A number of people here can. Sometimes we're genuine about it and sometimes we're being bullshitters. I'm dropping 3J and Rico into the latter category. 3J to the greater extent, and Ricochet as a peripheral accomplice, if you will. No, I don't expect either one will be lynched today in the present climate. But if you take their names off the table because they're "gamesolving," you are giving them a pass and allowing their content to slide without scrutiny.

I don't really disagree that "gamesolving" shouldn't earn an automatic town read, but it shouldn't earn an automatic baddie read either. Particularly with someone like me (and also Ricochet frankly), these are components of our play that we just plain use -- regardless of alignment. I want you to tell me what mindset or strategy you think I was employing as a baddie when I built a big anti-nutella case out of nowhere (she complained herself about nobody suspecting her until I cased her) and served as the primary engineer of her destruction.

Ah, see, this is precisely what I'm talking about: I didn't suggest that people who do what you and Ricochet do are automatically bad because you do what you do. That would require me to think you two are bad in about every setup, and that has not been the case. I only said I have to decide when you are being genuine in what you do.

It's little business like this, and I think you are the kind of person that has to be caught on the minutiae. I believe you are less likely to make a massive blunder.

So say we all -

what about a Wigly lynch?

Well, we can still lynch sig. He argued long and hard about putting Epi in second place to force him to claim while at the same time not claiming until the start of this day phase and also not claiming at the same time. Per Golden, this didn't even count.

Second place can go to Bea or Wilgy as far as I'm concerned as I'm suspicious of them both. We don't have to all be robots and coordinate one second and the other third. Here people can vote on whoever they feel most sus about.

If someone feels more suss about someone else and wants them lynched like Long Con for example, I'm willing to listen. Or if there is someone else who hasn't been cased much but you are super sus about, by all means say so. I'd love to hear it.

I have a few I won't lynch at all no mattter what but I'm still willing to listen.

This is just my opinion and what I want to do with the vote today but anyone else can say what they think as well. I just don't want another scenario where the second highest vote getter is lynched and flips civ like Nero if we can avoid it.

Epignosis wrote:It's little business like this, and I think you are the kind of person that has to be caught on the minutiae. I believe you are less likely to make a massive blunder.

From what I've seen from various mafia teammates over the past year, I think Jay is capable of a massive blunder.

But I still agree with the with the above statement.

ObscureAllure wrote:So say we all -

what about a Wigly lynch?

This was basically the last thing he said. Should we pressure him now since it's been 24 hours since then, or give him a chance to do so?

ObscureAllure wrote:So say we all -

what about a Wigly lynch?

I could do this, he is in my top 3. I think IAWY was bad, the only person who really knows him said he was bad, and Wilgy has not come in here and made me feel any better about him.

I think LC is a risk to the town in general, but if we collectively believe we have a lynchable cylon, I am OK with that too. This way when Cain starts killing people or whatever anti town thing it is that his role does besides imposing black & white rules on a grey situation, I can get to say "I told you so" which I enjoy immensely whenever it happens.

S~V~S, are you a member of mafia?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:S~V~S, are you a member of mafia?

No, I am not.

I just enjoy being right

S~V~S wrote:I just enjoy being right

So say we all.

Deliberate miscommunication can provoke good reactions, yes, but it's not the same thing as scumhunting.

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:Then swap "necessary" with "vital". Is that good enough for you?

No. It isn't. I think you are too busy nitpicking over who claimed what instead of figuring out who needs to be lynched. I think your enthusiasm is counterfeit, and I want to know why zebra was swift to protect you from my questioning.

Because your questioning was counterproductive.