The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:26 pm**

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:25 pm Votecount asofrn

Alison (6) - Ender, Cham, santygrass , Mac , Nanook , Belzy
Belzy (4) - Seanzie, Neon, Alison, Lilypetal
Porscha (3) - Dyachei ,ilario, Millium
Rondo (1) - Rondo
Not Voting (3) - Tilgarial, Porscha

Edit with Belzy vote now wowee

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:26 pm**

Porscha is getting checked tonight so no point voting her

So it boils down to whether or not you believe Belzy's claim

I kinda think we should kill Santygrass still

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:28 pm**

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:23 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:20 pm So today confirms i cannot combine mafia with my job/ personal life. Did Mac already said he was confused about something? He asked me to tell you myself, namely that I never changed my claim. I never said I had multi shots, only told him 1 shot.

That aside, sorries for the low activity. I appreciate the fact only Mac got green checked but I am not. I will continue playing but lowball, very lower ball than usual. As long I am in the game my reasons are personal. I will try catchup daily, but post very limited.
If Mac was mafia, you would have died?
Yes, Mac is town. That is garantee.

Why did you choose Mac?

Did you indicate in thread yesterday who your target was going to be?

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:49 pm**

Yeah, I think Belzy is outed.

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:56 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:49 pm Yeah, I think Belzy is outed.

What's ur reasoning for this?

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:57 pm**

So u think it's Alison and Betzy?

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:58 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:28 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:23 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:20 pm So today confirms i cannot combine mafia with my job/ personal life. Did Mac already said he was confused about something? He asked me to tell you myself, namely that I never changed my claim. I never said I had multi shots, only told him 1 shot.

That aside, sorries for the low activity. I appreciate the fact only Mac got green checked but I am not. I will continue playing but lowball, very lower ball than usual. As long I am in the game my reasons are personal. I will try catchup daily, but post very limited.
If Mac was mafia, you would have died?
Yes, Mac is town. That is garantee.
Why did you choose Mac?

Did you indicate in thread yesterday who your target was going to be?

I'm pretty sure Mac was one of her top town reads, so that at least aligns I believe

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:00 pm**

Rondo clearly doesn't care, and I'm at a lose for what that means anymore

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:01 pm**

I see know reason to wait for a mechanical check, if Porsha is already well in her wolf meta, her earlier lean list changes nothing

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:01 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:57 pm So u think it's Alison and Betzy?

I am not sure on Alison.

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:03 pm**

@Lilypetal feel free not to tell me but if your action is a one shot or similar, wouldnt we be better off using it on someone not as outed as porscha

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:04 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:28 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:23 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:20 pm So today confirms i cannot combine mafia with my job/ personal life. Did Mac already said he was confused about something? He asked me to tell you myself, namely that I never changed my claim. I never said I had multi shots, only told him 1 shot.

That aside, sorries for the low activity. I appreciate the fact only Mac got green checked but I am not. I will continue playing but lowball, very lower ball than usual. As long I am in the game my reasons are personal. I will try catchup daily, but post very limited.
If Mac was mafia, you would have died?
Yes, Mac is town. That is garantee.
Why did you choose Mac?

Did you indicate in thread yesterday who your target was going to be?

Mac was my top town read. Any other option created the fear i might die.

No, i just decided during n1 what to do

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:10 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:01 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:57 pm So u think it's Alison and Betzy?
I am not sure on Alison.

So then what are u doing?

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:10 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:56 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:49 pm Yeah, I think Belzy is outed.
What's ur reasoning for this?

Belzy knows how to handle such roles:

(Spoilered below is a quote from a DIFFERENT game)

Spoiler: show

so the fact that her ISO does not include a clear crumb for her N1 target makes the chances of her lying extremely high...

and we can add that to the fact that scum!Belzy likes to use fakeclaims to try to clear themselves:

https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... #post19839

(Erika is Belzy, and she was scum that game)

So a super questionable lack of crumb along with Belzy meta makes this kind of a lock IMO.

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:11 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:01 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:57 pm So u think it's Alison and Betzy?
I am not sure on Alison.
So then what are u doing?

What do you mean?

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:13 pm**

If that is the case why are u still voting Alison?

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:16 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:10 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:56 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:49 pm Yeah, I think Belzy is outed.
What's ur reasoning for this?
Belzy knows how to handle such roles:

(Spoilered below is a quote from a DIFFERENT game)
Spoiler: show
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:58 pm If I drop dead, Tang is confirmed town. Otherwise, she will drop dead instead and flip as scum, and I will be confirmed town. Stay tuned.
so the fact that her ISO does not include a clear crumb for her N1 target makes the chances of her lying extremely high...

and we can add that to the fact that scum!Belzy likes to use fakeclaims to try to clear themselves:

https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... #post19839

(Erika is Belzy, and she was scum that game)

So a super questionable lack of crumb along with Belzy meta makes this kind of a lock IMO.

this makes a lot more sense than some of the other things thrown around about belzy (most notably the miscommunication)

[VOTE: belzy] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:16 pm**

What is that game u linked showcasing? I have no time to shift through an iso on mobile, I only have 10 mins of my.lunch left and them I'm on and off again till 30 min prior to EoD

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:17 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:13 pm If that is the case why are u still voting Alison?

he's voting belzy that i see?

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:18 pm**

I swear I saw him still on Alison, maybe I'm dumb

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:18 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:13 pm If that is the case why are u still voting Alison?

I'm not?

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:19 pm**

Makes more sense now, if that's the case I'll just take that claim at face value

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:19 pm**

[VOTE: Betzy] aubergine
I have to head back to work

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:21 pm**

Millium wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:16 pm What is that game u linked showcasing? I have no time to shift through an iso on mobile, I only have 10 mins of my.lunch left and them I'm on and off again till 30 min prior to EoD

Just that one post is all I meant to convey. She gave an elaborate fakeclaim to try to clear herself and win the game (it backfired - we were wolves together and lost). This sort of thing is a common wolf trick for her.

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:23 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:08 am @ilario i reckon we should not kill porscha here. thoughts?
sadly, i agree

that was a joke

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:24 pm**

I think Seanzie case has merit im the sense that it doesnt seem like how you would act with an desperado type of role tbh.

Waiting to see @Belzy reply to it

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:25 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:17 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:58 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:55 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:53 pm "Santygrass is almost certainly one of them as he is the architect of most of the bad arguments and has been attacking me in bad faith for the entire game."

This is so inaccurate and phony that it makes me suspicious of Santygrass being partners.
It is the most accurate description of Santygrass' play this game.
No it is literally not. Any arbitrary check of Santy's iso can tell you that.
So what happens when I flip green Mac? Are you going to put your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and go "I guess Alison was trolling"? Or are you going to listen to me and vote Santy out?
Let's move the point of the conversation back to the pertinent which is you completely lying about Santy. Saying he's the architect of your wagon when he was your primary defender for the first 75% of this game and you were being touted as a poe suspect by everyone before he read your iso and changed his tune.

Let's talk about facts such as the fact that you are just making things up to push an agenda.

Let's talk about actual posts and the actual game instead of trying to manipulate me with posts like this.
eh i cant sleep cos its really hot but i dont wanna turn on the aircon so im gonna do some backreading. i probably wont see any posts directed to me in real-time so if i dont respond its not cos im ignoring u

anyways this post is hella wolfy because mac is completely evading alisons question, shifting the focus back onto her and specifically focusing the conversation on things that will make alison look bad, i dont think hes interested in solving her here, despite her being billboard town

also macs shift in handling santy today feels really off, he has fought me the entire game on my santy tr but now that santy has joined the mission to bury alison he has been santys biggest fan. this feels too co-incidental for my liking.

also the way mac attacks alisons read on seanzie is not good either. seanzie is billboaard inno child town, alison is correct. mac should know alison is correct and agree with her read instead of trying to frame it as wolfy like he does later

lol no

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:28 pm**

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:20 pm So today confirms i cannot combine mafia with my job/ personal life. Did Mac already said he was confused about something? He asked me to tell you myself, namely that I never changed my claim. I never said I had multi shots, only told him 1 shot.

That aside, sorries for the low activity. I appreciate the fact only Mac got green checked but I am not. I will continue playing but lowball, very lower ball than usual. As long I am in the game my reasons are personal. I will try catchup daily, but post very limited.

no that's not what I said lol.

I said I assumed you had multiple shots, you didn't correct me and you must not have noticed that I thought that even though I thought it was quite clear.

aaaanyway I most def did not say to say you only said 1 shot because you didn't say that until like 8 hrs after we originally discussed your n2 target.

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:30 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:23 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:08 am @ilario i reckon we should not kill porscha here. thoughts?
sadly, i agree
that was a joke

and yet you are voting her despite saying you shouldn't

weird times in camp ilario

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:31 pm**

Yeah it's true if she was gonna use it on Mac she would say that Mac is red checked if she dies so we could expose him

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:32 pm**

good luck with eod team I'll be unavailable

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:34 pm**

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

@Belzy

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:35 pm**

Gamer move tbh

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:36 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:32 pm good luck with eod team I'll be unavailable

What do you think about my case on Belzy?

Did you check her ISO when she first claimed to see if she crumbed?

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:37 pm**

@Alison can you explain why you wanted me dead or sussed me before I made my case on you?

Other than sheeping aro I dont remember much reasonings from you. And you were sussing me since D1

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:39 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:32 pm good luck with eod team I'll be unavailable
What do you think about my case on Belzy?

Did you check her ISO when she first claimed to see if she crumbed?

it's fine

yes I did...

hence pressuring belzy to explain in chat and eventually outing them when their explanation wasn't da best

I don't think belzy is more than a coinflip

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:42 pm**

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 2:25 pm I am pretty sure Mac is town and we are together voting for Millium, and Mac even have had a read list calling ilario scum too. Likey, likey.

this is also the only post where she calls mac town so...

ideal usage of the role is as a peek, not necessarily as a neighborhood. It's better to possibly clear someone who is in the POE or die to finding a wolf because a 1 to 1 exchange is always worth it to catch a wolf

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:22 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:21 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:44 pm I got what I wanted out of pushing Alison.

I'm back to my regularly scheduled programming.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine
y u back on alison instead of belsy who u were trying to convince me was wolf earlier?

When was I trying to convince you Belzy was wolf????

P sure I've mostly townread em

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:24 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:25 am random question for my sanity

this is mostly directed at people who probably know mac the longest

@Alison @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @EnderWiggin

is there any possibility mac is still in wolfrange? he feels super towny but i do know that he has the ability to go super saiyan mode and have some insanely towny wolf games like the hydra game last year. is he 100% never a wolf? im a little wary because he kinda did help with the aro bury yesterday and today is burying alison but i really think alison is town but like w!mac would def prioritize getting aro/alison/spf out of the picture etc

95% town. I wanna put it higher but always give Mac the 5%.

The neighbourizer claim is probably the most important and depending how that resolved maybe revisit.

Outside Mech he has been more in town than in wolf ranges

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:25 pm**

He's good enough to snow me into this if wolf I guess but obviously I don't think he is rn

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:27 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:32 am
ilario wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:30 am if mac is a wolf then the people he got emotional towards are more likely to be wolves btw
like mac LOVESS to do over the top theatre with his wolf buds. if mac or dya flips wolf then i can see the other being a wolf too

For what it's worth if Mac does flip wolf I agree with this meta

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:30 pm**

*taps the undertitle*

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:32 pm**

if belzy is town mac is green
if belzy is wolf mac is green for killing a wolf for no actual reason in the weirdest way
mac is townie anyway

mac is... wolf?

cmonnnnn

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:32 pm**

y'all are going to lose to wolf mac and like it

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:33 pm**

@EnderWiggin what scenario does the hood stuff play out in which mac is a wolf? for humour purposes

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:36 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:28 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:25 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:24 am Eh, hard disagree. No one really has a skill issue. Everyone can be good if the game is in a style that engages them. Everyone is always bullshitting in a game of Mafia. Some people just put on a veneer thats shiner than others and claim they are good.
There are definitely players who are better or worse at a game of mafia and most people who deny this are trying to feel better about themselves
Sure, but you claim the gulf is massive (Hyperbole). I am claiming the gulf is imaginary and we're all just people who do better or worse some games or others.

There are people I see reliably put better performances in, and people I prefer playing alongside. There is difference in skill and things you can learn that improve your play.

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:38 pm**

Mac is always a wolf /s

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:39 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:32 pm if belzy is town mac is green
if belzy is wolf mac is green for killing a wolf for no actual reason in the weirdest way
mac is townie anyway

mac is... wolf?

cmonnnnn

I am quite enjoying play with my tinfoil sailboat that I made after considering the possibility that wolf!Belzy more-or-less gave up in wolf chat and wolf!you decided to capitalize on it with a fps weird-ass bussy thingy.

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:40 pm**

Still not certain what Betsy is even lying about
Never moved my vote to Betsy when I posted it in thread
Woops

Posted: **Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:41 pm**

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:32 pm if belzy is town mac is green
if belzy is wolf mac is green for killing a wolf for no actual reason in the weirdest way
mac is townie anyway

mac is... wolf?

cmonnnnn
I am quite enjoying play with my tinfoil sailboat that I made after considering the possibility that wolf!Belzy more-or-less gave up in wolf chat and wolf!you decided to capitalize on it with a fps weird-ass bussy thingy.

Has belzy ever given up before?

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