The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:So say we all -

what about a Wigly lynch?

I could do this, he is in my top 3. I think IAWY was bad, the only person who really knows him said he was bad, and Wilgy has not come in here and made me feel any better about him.

I think LC is a risk to the town in general, but if we collectively believe we have a lynchable cylon, I am OK with that too. This way when Cain starts killing people or whatever anti town thing it is that his role does besides imposing black & white rules on a grey situation, I can get to say "I told you so" which I enjoy immensely whenever it happens.

a2thezebra wrote:I don't need sixty hours to decide who to vote for, let's please lynch sig today for the sake of town. Also stop asking people to mass claim Cylon!

a2thezebra wrote:Long Con, JaggedJimmyJay, and to an extent Ricochet, are all confirmed town along with at least a dozen other players.

a2thezebra wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:Then swap "necessary" with "vital". Is that good enough for you?

No. It isn't. I think you are too busy nitpicking over who claimed what instead of figuring out who needs to be lynched. I think your enthusiasm is counterfeit, and I want to know why zebra was swift to protect you from my questioning.

Because your questioning was counterproductive.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:So say we all -

what about a Wigly lynch?

I could do this, he is in my top 3. I think IAWY was bad, the only person who really knows him said he was bad, and Wilgy has not come in here and made me feel any better about him.

I think LC is a risk to the town in general, but if we collectively believe we have a lynchable cylon, I am OK with that too. This way when Cain starts killing people or whatever anti town thing it is that his role does besides imposing black & white rules on a grey situation, I can get to say "I told you so" which I enjoy immensely whenever it happens.

If Cain has any other effects on the game, especially starting to kill, then even I will be forced to re-evaluate my stance on her. Like I said, for a player like me, Cain has not changed a thing about my game or goals. We haven't seen any sort of the dire effects you are prognosticating, so I'm glad that it seems like you aren't putting the cart before the horse anymore.

Long Con wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Long Con, JaggedJimmyJay, and to an extent Ricochet, are all confirmed town along with at least a dozen other players.

"How do you know that?" he asked, knowing that zebra will intentionally refrain from clarifying a damn thing.

Long Con wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I don't need sixty hours to decide who to vote for, let's please lynch sig today for the sake of town. Also stop asking people to mass claim Cylon!

Who would you want to put in second place - how likely do you think it is that sig will Cylon-claim if he has the vote majority? Your vote is somewhat rushed, surely you can see the importance of working together and planning together so as to avoid the Amnesty Act deciding this lynch in a Nerolunar kind of way.

Speaking of which, I'll just note that if Metalmarsh had not voted for Nerolunar on Day 2, and had instead voted for Lorab, all the results would be exactly the same at this point. We just wouldn't have had to get upset with MM.

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:So say we all -

what about a Wigly lynch?

I could do this, he is in my top 3. I think IAWY was bad, the only person who really knows him said he was bad, and Wilgy has not come in here and made me feel any better about him.

I think LC is a risk to the town in general, but if we collectively believe we have a lynchable cylon, I am OK with that too. This way when Cain starts killing people or whatever anti town thing it is that his role does besides imposing black & white rules on a grey situation, I can get to say "I told you so" which I enjoy immensely whenever it happens.

If Cain has any other effects on the game, especially starting to kill, then even I will be forced to re-evaluate my stance on her. Like I said, for a player like me, Cain has not changed a thing about my game or goals. We haven't seen any sort of the dire effects you are prognosticating, so I'm glad that it seems like you aren't putting the cart before the horse anymore.

I hate that Cain put black & white conditions on a grey situation. I don't like being imposed upon, tbh. At least one person who was town, and possibly more, now has no reason to play as town, and I am not sure why I seem to be the only one to find this disturbing

I said during the night that if the win con change was nullified or mitigated somehow, I would be happy to back off. Instead the Prez gave us a fluff law, which tells me that the Prez can't do that.

You said to give you time. I am willing to do so. But I myself do not think Cain is on the side of the town, I don't see how she possibly could be. She is pro human, yes, but will not hesitate to toss humans to the side if they get in her way. But if Cain proves to be benign, I am content to wait and watch.

What are your thoughts on Wilgy?

Long Con wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Long Con, JaggedJimmyJay, and to an extent Ricochet, are all confirmed town along with at least a dozen other players.

"How do you know that?" he asked, knowing that zebra will intentionally refrain from clarifying a damn thing.

This ^^

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I don't need sixty hours to decide who to vote for, let's please lynch sig today for the sake of town. Also stop asking people to mass claim Cylon!

Who would you want to put in second place - how likely do you think it is that sig will Cylon-claim if he has the vote majority? Your vote is somewhat rushed, surely you can see the importance of working together and planning together so as to avoid the Amnesty Act deciding this lynch in a Nerolunar kind of way.

Speaking of which, I'll just note that if Metalmarsh had not voted for Nerolunar on Day 2, and had instead voted for Lorab, all the results would be exactly the same at this point. We just wouldn't have had to get upset with MM.

But that development wouldn't have been nearly as fun for everyone involved.

Long Con wrote: The situation right now is not the same as it was three days ago. Three days from now, I think it is highly likely that the situation will also be not the same as right now. Players like Epignosis need to focus on the endgame, not only the present.

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote: The situation right now is not the same as it was three days ago. Three days from now, I think it is highly likely that the situation will also be not the same as right now. Players like Epignosis need to focus on the endgame, not only the present.

What's gonna happen in three days?

I might just be teasing you, I am not sure, tbh. I might also be asking a serious question. That just seems kind of ominous. But I may also be wearing a tinfoil hat that encloses my entire body at this point. Is three days the amount of time you were asking for when you asked for time?

a2thezebra wrote:So Say We All!

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a2thezebra wrote:Long Con, JaggedJimmyJay, and to an extent Ricochet, are all confirmed town along with at least a dozen other players.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote: The situation right now is not the same as it was three days ago. Three days from now, I think it is highly likely that the situation will also be not the same as right now. Players like Epignosis need to focus on the endgame, not only the present.

What's gonna happen in three days?

I might just be teasing you, I am not sure, tbh. I might also be asking a serious question. That just seems kind of ominous. But I may also be wearing a tinfoil hat that encloses my entire body at this point. Is three days the amount of time you were asking for when you asked for time?

Three days would be just fine for enough time. I wasn't hinting at some three-days-from-now event of any kind. I just used three days as an arbitrary number of days ago that was far enough back to justify calling it a "different situation"... and then mirrored that forward in time in order to illustrate the point that the game will likely have changed shape in some way again by that point. It's total speculation - it's entirely possible that the game will be exactly the same as much as it can be at that point.

That's not really *the* point of what I said. You have not received the communication that I set out to convey. Is the failing mine or yours? Intentional or unintentional?

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote: The situation right now is not the same as it was three days ago. Three days from now, I think it is highly likely that the situation will also be not the same as right now. Players like Epignosis need to focus on the endgame, not only the present.

What's gonna happen in three days?

I might just be teasing you, I am not sure, tbh. I might also be asking a serious question. That just seems kind of ominous. But I may also be wearing a tinfoil hat that encloses my entire body at this point. Is three days the amount of time you were asking for when you asked for time?

Three days would be just fine for enough time. I wasn't hinting at some three-days-from-now event of any kind. I just used three days as an arbitrary number of days ago that was far enough back to justify calling it a "different situation"... and then mirrored that forward in time in order to illustrate the point that the game will likely have changed shape in some way again by that point. It's total speculation - it's entirely possible that the game will be exactly the same as much as it can be at that point.

That's not really *the* point of what I said. You have not received the communication that I set out to convey. Is the failing mine or yours? Intentional or unintentional?

I got all of it, but that specific time frame got my eye when you had said you wanted time. That was why I pulled that out to comment on.

I have not voted you, right?

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:And I know 3J asked last night, but I have nothing new to raise. When I gave him the pretzel award, I don't think he was genuinely invested in what he was saying. He was making the evidence fit the conclusion he wanted.

Consider for a moment that you were the person of interest in the post I made that earned your pretzel award. I think you're letting personal bias cloud your judgment of me. I don't think any significant reaches were required to draw the conclusion that I drew relative to nutella and her interaction with you. I am less inclined to read you as bad at this point, but I don't think I was so off base before as you're asserting I would had to be (so far off base that it wasn't a sincere thought).

I didn't consider you to be reaching or stretching. That would have merited a taffy award. You got a pretzel award, for excellent twisting. For example, the suggestion you are making here is that, in order for you to be insincere, your post had to be "so far off base." That sounds right, but it's demonstrably untrue. Civilians say far more off-base things (see Matt), but that doesn't make them insincere.

Another example of something I find insincere is that you open your response with the suggestion that I am letting personal bias cloud my judgment of you. Even though it's been days later since you posted about nutella and me, and even though you say you don't think I'm bad, you think my opinion is clouded by personal bias? Where was that same criticism when I made a fuss about sig, who wanted to pile votes on me?

Epignosis wrote:Ah, see, this is precisely what I'm talking about: I didn't suggest that people who do what you and Ricochet do are automatically bad because you do what you do. That would require me to think you two are bad in about every setup, and that has not been the case. I only said I have to decide when you are being genuine in what you do.

It's little business like this, and I think you are the kind of person that has to be caught on the minutiae. I believe you are less likely to make a massive blunder.

sig wrote:So I get all this shit for not claiming, then when I do it is a scummy opportunistic move...............

Again someone look through Zebra's posts she has posted almost no content, Polo keeps asking people who they'd like to lynch and why not so and so that is a basic scum move. I use that all the time as mafia.

a2thezebra wrote:Long Con, JaggedJimmyJay, and to an extent Ricochet, are all confirmed town along with at least a dozen other players.

ObscureAllure wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:So Say We All!

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Wasted vote. He claimed earlier and even though golden didn't count it, as soon as dig gets back he's going to claim again and be immune.

Polo wrote:I'm going with my one of my gut reads. And as gullible as I may be, it's someone who hasn't claimed Cylon yet. Surprising?

Vote Glorfindel

Did not vote nutella on day 2;
Has yet to claim Cylon.

In an ideal scenario i'd be voting Zebra.

I'm gone for the rest of the day.

sig wrote:So I get all this shit for not claiming, then when I do it is a scummy opportunistic move...............

Again someone look through Zebra's posts she has posted almost no content, Polo keeps asking people who they'd like to lynch and why not so and so that is a basic scum move. I use that all the time as mafia.

sig wrote:And Daisy is saying we should do the same thing that pushed Nero ahead of Lorab and what I wanted to do yesterday but on me. Both of which Polo thought was mafiash, but hasn't mentioned Daisy doing it.

If it comes down to me or Glorfindel you'll be choosing between two civs.

Polo wrote:Daisy claimed mafia and right now I want to pressure the Cylons to use up their claim asap.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sig wrote:So I get all this shit for not claiming, then when I do it is a scummy opportunistic move...............

Again someone look through Zebra's posts she has posted almost no content, Polo keeps asking people who they'd like to lynch and why not so and so that is a basic scum move. I use that all the time as mafia.

sig, I'm going to need you to acknowledge the reasons for that suspicion in a way that is not generalized and misrepresentative. Multiple people have been quite clear about why you're still suspicious, and what you just described is not an accurate depiction.

Ricochet wrote:

Polo wrote:Daisy claimed mafia and right now I want to pressure the Cylons to use up their claim asap.

whatCheshire Cat?

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok.... So I have to choose between voting Nero or Lorab?

Clearly Lorab would've a poor choice for a vote since she likely has amnesty. I need to go read back through Nero's posts.

I must say I am shocked more people aren't suspecting me, because I am well aware how bad my post about Nutella looked after her flip. I would ask that my emotional instability at that moment not keep you all from suspecting me as normal, I assure you I'm fine now.

Not much time; going to go check out Nero. Regarding Lorab though, I am trying to think what colons might be civ aligned other than Athena and frankly I'm not sure, anyone have a thought on whether there are those that might be?

Linki: I have no problem declaring I am a cylon in order to follow this plan, I think it's a decent idea. So I am a Cylon.

Also, in case Lorab is trying a ploy to save herself by convincing others votes for her are useless, I am putting my vote on Lorab. If the math prevents anyone but Nero getting the second most votes at this point I don't see any other worthwhile place to put my vote. It will ensure we know for certain her claim is true and avoid any shenanigans she might be trying to pull. So instead of reading Nero before voting (which is apparently pointless) I'm going to vote Lorab.

Vote: Lorab

Polo wrote:This game is addicting and I'll try to stop by every couple of hours or so.

sig wrote:So I get all this shit for not claiming, then when I do it is a scummy opportunistic move...............

Again someone look through Zebra's posts she has posted almost no content, Polo keeps asking people who they'd like to lynch and why not so and so that is a basic scum move. I use that all the time as mafia.

Ricochet wrote:

Polo wrote:This game is addicting and I'll try to stop by every couple of hours or so.

Told you five Chaos Wizard ago in a Hungarian metro, Ender.

Ricochet wrote:zebra is reywaS nincompoop salute

sig wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sig wrote:So I get all this shit for not claiming, then when I do it is a scummy opportunistic move...............

Again someone look through Zebra's posts she has posted almost no content, Polo keeps asking people who they'd like to lynch and why not so and so that is a basic scum move. I use that all the time as mafia.

sig, I'm going to need you to acknowledge the reasons for that suspicion in a way that is not generalized and misrepresentative. Multiple people have been quite clear about why you're still suspicious, and what you just described is not an accurate depiction.

That is one of the reasons started by Scotty/Polo what are the others since I can't recall any real reasons besides the one i states and my push on Epi and other cylons. People just keep repeating I'm bad. And now you're saying I'm fusing myself to Glorf, which isn't true since it looks like it's coming down to him and me atm.

Polo I can't answer that either way it would be infodumping.

linki: Wait what polo? I'm rustled from your general behavior plus when did you say you wanted to vote for her? You've been pushing me and Glorfindel. It has nothing to do with Zebra who you're now saying you want lynched yet voted for someone else super early?

Polo wrote:I'm going with my one of my gut reads. And as gullible as I may be, it's someone who hasn't claimed Cylon yet. Surprising?

Vote Glorfindel

Did not vote nutella on day 2;
Has yet to claim Cylon.

In an ideal scenario i'd be voting Zebra.

I'm gone for the rest of the day.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Metalmarsh89's probably made more posts than I have.

Matt wrote:It's getting tiresome how 3J "never remembers" the So say we all.

Matt wrote:just hella suspect tbh. Hrm.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Matt wrote:It's getting tiresome how 3J "never remembers" the So say we all.

Agreed. Every time I remind myself to do it, then I get side tracked with something, then I come back and make a post with no SSWA like a doofus.

Matt wrote:just hella suspect tbh. Hrm.

Why?

Polo wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Polo wrote:Daisy claimed mafia and right now I want to pressure the Cylons to use up their claim asap.

whatCheshire Cat?

Here you go:

Spacedaisy wrote: So I am a Cylon.

Polo wrote:Daisy claimed mafia

Polo wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Polo wrote:Daisy claimed mafia and right now I want to pressure the Cylons to use up their claim asap.

whatCheshire Cat?

Here you go:

Spacedaisy wrote: So I am a Cylon.

Polo wrote:Daisy claimed mafia