The Syndicate

Can't we all come to a compromise and lynch DDL?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:56 am Let's start with Quin.

This is the progression of DDL's case on me today. Starting, and ending.

Yesterday his case progressed from "I don't get the Quin lynch" to "I do this when bad, therefore Quin does this when bad." That wasn't what the Quin lynch was about. He never discusses what the Quin lynch was about.

It felt like he wanted a reason to suspect me that was his own so he didn't appear as though he was sheeping the main case.

Wtf is going on

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

Frankly for someone who didn't know what the case on me was yesterday, it's a bit overconfident of him to say that

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am Quin needs to go.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

Why should we do any of those things?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:01 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:51 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:46 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:34 am

Does Quin's statement make you more or less suspicious of him?

LC, I've been pretty clear in stating that I don't trust you.

So that means you won't answer my question about Quin?

I'm not answering it because it's *your* question.

Sorry. That came off as more rude than I meant it to be. I only wanted it to be a little bit rude.

I'm not answering your question because it's the kind of question you, Long Con, would use to gain information for later personal use. There's no conceivable way a "yes" or a "no" to whether Quin's declaration made me trust him more would have an impact on your views on Quin.

The only thing to gain from a yes or a no is aid for role placement.

Your problem seems to be close-mindedness combined with prideful ignorance.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am Frankly for someone who didn't know what the case on me was yesterday, it's a bit overconfident of him to say that

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am Quin needs to go.

ddl has been very unforthcoming with his reads and for the most part he seems to be relying on "gut" first and foremost. This could be a tactic to hide. He feels very raw and authentic to me. I don't want to lynch him. I don't want to lynch you either.
Talk to me about Elohcin.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:08 amYour problem seems to be close-mindedness combined with prideful ignorance.

What you would do with the information if I told you what Quin said made me trust him more? What would you do with the information if I told you it made me trust him less?

I'm interested in hearing Wilgy's response to the last few pages.

wilgy has been one of dunya's most vocal opponents in the thread. On Night 4 K2 said this:

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:24 am

K2 wrote: Additionally, K2 thinks Jay's flip should clear Dunya and Epig from suspicion.

With Love,
K2

Legacy cop colonialbob is not going to hide a read based on information in the middle of a list. A confirmed scum is either going to be first on the list or written with something extra on the side. That's if its not written in bold and flashing letters. Disagree?

I was first on his list of legacy "look into these people" thing. But he also said he buys me as town when we were the top two lynch candidates. Would he say this if he had a red peek on me?

He says this about Wilgy:

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:14 am Blah. I'm waffling again. Epi is convincing and he's had pretty good instincts so far. But unfortunately I'm going to bed so I've got to make up my mind.

quin

Final answer.

@dunya I'd look into quin, DDL, and Wilgy (who's oddly gotten a total pass the last couple of days)

With something extra on the side.

If he had workable information, Wilgy is the baddun. But the fact that this wasn't written in bold and flashing letters makes me think he didn't have anything for us.

I am 99% certain that wilgy is not K2.

Now, having said that, is there an argument for wilgy to be town that does not rely on him having that particular role?

[mention]Quin[/mention]
Do you suspect Wilgy or are you just voting him for self defense?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:20 am @Quin
Do you suspect Wilgy or are you just voting him for self defense?

Bit of both, but mainly the latter.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:10 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am Frankly for someone who didn't know what the case on me was yesterday, it's a bit overconfident of him to say that

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am Quin needs to go.

ddl has been very unforthcoming with his reads and for the most part he seems to be relying on "gut" first and foremost. This could be a tactic to hide. He feels very raw and authentic to me. I don't want to lynch him. I don't want to lynch you either.
Talk to me about Elohcin.

I would believe in DDL's outburst re: the Economics comparison more if it we didn't have a baddie 3J flip. I see no reason to think that faking an argument like that with a teammate is something DDL wouldn't do when bad.

Elohcin doesn't seem like a compatible bus candidate to me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:08 amYour problem seems to be close-mindedness combined with prideful ignorance.

Also, probably true but it doesn't mean that I'm wrong.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:10 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am Frankly for someone who didn't know what the case on me was yesterday, it's a bit overconfident of him to say that

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:54 am Quin needs to go.

ddl has been very unforthcoming with his reads and for the most part he seems to be relying on "gut" first and foremost. This could be a tactic to hide. He feels very raw and authentic to me. I don't want to lynch him. I don't want to lynch you either.
Talk to me about Elohcin.

I would believe in DDL's outburst re: the Economics comparison more if it we didn't have a baddie 3J flip. I see no reason to think that faking an argument like that with a teammate is something DDL wouldn't do when bad.

Elohcin doesn't seem like a compatible bus candidate to me.

This is a thought I had as well, but he wasn't just faking the emotional outburst with a baddie partner. He was faking it for the whole thread. I don't think DDL does that if he's not being earnest. Plus, the rest of his tone in the game reads as "I don't care what you think of me, I just care about being honest." Similar to you, I think.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

Wilgy and Jack had a troubling dialogue on Day 4 in which they bickered over little things without seeming to get anywhere meaningful:Around this time the suspicion against Jay was mounting. wilgy was present but not really a force in that. His only contributions to the thread after this exchange were to limply prod colonialbob and I vaguely for "general thoughts". I don't know that he did anything with the answers either of us gave him.

I could see arguments for against wilgy in this exchange. I've presented a more negative slant here, but that doesn't have to be the case. This could be similar to the conversations I got hung up on between Bob and Jay, where it turned out I was projecting Jay's badness onto Bob. But Jay and wilgy are talking here, and the exchanges seem very odd on both ends. Especially wilgy's "if I answered X..." post. That whole part of the exchange never made any sense to me.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

I didn't know this, thanks for the Mafia History lesson.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

I didn't know this, thanks for the Mafia History lesson.

I feel like it was you who made it.

Did Wilgy just leave???

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:40 am Wilgy and Jack had a troubling dialogue on Day 4

Wilgy and Jay* had a troubling dialogue on Day 3*. I need to get my facts straight.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

His game hasn't been the hallmark of attentiveness and focus. A distracted Wilgy is more likely to fall into old patterns, than remember every lesson he's learned.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

I didn't know this, thanks for the Mafia History lesson.

I feel like it was you who made it.

I say a lot of things, you can't expect me to know what they all are!

i thought it was a jay invention.

[mention]nutella[/mention] do you have any updated thoughts to share? i am worried about where your vote is at the moment

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:04 am Wtf is going on

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

This doesn't even make sense as a response to current thread events. At the time he posted this Quin had 3 votes compared to his 4.

wilgy's lack of response is confusing regardless of alignment. I hope he returns.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:43 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

I didn't know this, thanks for the Mafia History lesson.

I feel like it was you who made it.

I say a lot of things, you can't expect me to know what they all are!

i thought it was a jay invention.

It was. Felt by the looks of it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:43 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:41 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:05 am

You tell us

I just got here dude. Why aren't we lynching Dunya, Sig, Quin or LC?

these two posts represent all of wilgy's thoughts on the situation. Total incredulousity and player salad.

The term "player salad" was made specifically for Wilgy. He was bad in whatever game that was, but do you think he'd not learn his lesson from that?

I didn't know this, thanks for the Mafia History lesson.

I feel like it was you who made it.

I say a lot of things, you can't expect me to know what they all are!

i thought it was a jay invention.

I think I might have coined the phrase, actually.

idk but people are missing and the current vote tally makes me eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegh

Actually, I think it was Boomslang!!

Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, here's an issue.

"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's not very vocal"
"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's now vocal"

Eloh, Boomslang and Scotty can I please have context as to how I'm forcing posts or suspicion unrelated to my post count?

My suspicion of you has nothing to do with your level of posts—I tend to be a quite player too. I also don't think you're forcing posts or suspicion. I do think you're casting a really wide net in an effort to look like you're contributing. As has already been pointed out about the below:

DrWilgy wrote: My top 3 suspects are Llama, JJJ and idk. (content cut)
INH, LC and Quin can I have you 3 let me know full reads on the other 2 in this group?
Niju, Marmot, and Epi can I have you 3 let me know full reads on the other 2 in this group?

That's mentioning at least eight separate players in a single post, with relatively little rationale about why. It's player salad, trying to very quickly establish a record with everyone so we feel you've had something to say on them.

If Felt is where the term originated, [url=http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ad#p328097]Boomslang coined "player salad".

linki: jinx

nailed that formatting

Long Con is here. Long Con has not voted.

Wilgy should have at least voted for Quin, as one of his supposed top suspects and also his only chance at living

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:55 am Actually, I think it was Boomslang!!

Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, here's an issue.

"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's not very vocal"
"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's now vocal"

Eloh, Boomslang and Scotty can I please have context as to how I'm forcing posts or suspicion unrelated to my post count?

My suspicion of you has nothing to do with your level of posts—I tend to be a quite player too. I also don't think you're forcing posts or suspicion. I do think you're casting a really wide net in an effort to look like you're contributing. As has already been pointed out about the below:

DrWilgy wrote: My top 3 suspects are Llama, JJJ and idk. (content cut)
INH, LC and Quin can I have you 3 let me know full reads on the other 2 in this group?
Niju, Marmot, and Epi can I have you 3 let me know full reads on the other 2 in this group?

That's mentioning at least eight separate players in a single post, with relatively little rationale about why. It's player salad, trying to very quickly establish a record with everyone so we feel you've had something to say on them.

Oh. I don't know why I read 3J, because that's what I was talking about.

Yeah, I haven't voted yet. Probably Wilgy. He's already in the lead though. And half the guys on there, I don't trust.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:59 am Yeah, I haven't voted yet. Probably Wilgy. He's already in the lead though. And half the guys on there, I don't trust.

which half?

Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:12 am Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.

If Quin is a question mark, why vote with him for the bandwagon that opposes his lynch?

i don't support a Quin lynch, i'm just asking

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:12 am Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.

Look dude, I'm just saying if Nutella or even Sloonei asked me the same questions you were asking, I probably would have given a straight answer.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:15 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:12 am Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.

Look dude, I'm just saying if Nutella or even Sloonei asked me the same questions you were asking, I probably would have given a straight answer.

I don't know what the difference really is, because Long Con would still know your answer.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:12 am Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.

If Quin is a question mark, why vote with him for the bandwagon that opposes his lynch?

i don't support a Quin lynch, i'm just asking

I don't have a case against Quin, but Epi did, and I think he believed it even though he inexplicably switched away from it last time, lynching bob. And Epi was doing well in this game. Is Wilgy just the next bob that gets Quin one step closer?

But I feel more suspicion toward Wilgy than Quin, which does a lot more to guide my vote than having concern about where the other wagon victim is voting. Where else am I supposed to expect his vote, right?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:16 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:15 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:12 am Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.

Look dude, I'm just saying if Nutella or even Sloonei asked me the same questions you were asking, I probably would have given a straight answer.

I don't know what the difference really is, because Long Con would still know your answer.

Yeah, it feels like just a dickish move especially since I'm Civ, you tree stump!

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:19 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:16 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:15 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:12 am Kylemii, speedchuck. And Quin is a big question mark as well, really. But speedchuck's an old suspicion, and dealing with Kyle today was sketchville as well.

Look dude, I'm just saying if Nutella or even Sloonei asked me the same questions you were asking, I probably would have given a straight answer.

I don't know what the difference really is, because Long Con would still know your answer.

Yeah, it feels like just a dickish move especially since I'm Civ, you tree stump!

tree stump? we're all mountains here