Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Kylemii]

To Be Continued

[colonialbob]

I saw lube with the devil.

bobbo has been less than memorable of late. Come out and play @bobbo

Soonday has questionable motives.

These are accusations

yeah you're not wrong. I've been ocupado, apologies. But I'm gonna try to be more of a presence coming down to end game. Swearsie-realsies.

[colonialbob]

Kylemii is our Homer

[colonialbob]

Things I think that I think


lapluie / colonialbob


Jackofhearts2005
M Plus 7
Kylemii
Turnip Head


dunya
Kites / Quin
Marmot
Spacedaisy
Sloonei
wolbre04


Scotty
novaselinenever


???

[Jackofhearts2005]

Bookmarked forever.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Someone shoulda analyze Scotty and Nova to see if they are likely buddies or nah.

Gut says nah but that’s a really uninformed read cause I haven’t ISOed Nova or Scotty/Nova interactions.

[Scotty]

Someone shoulda analyze Scotty and Nova to see if they are likely buddies or nah.

Gut says nah but that’s a really uninformed read cause I haven’t ISOed Nova or Scotty/Nova interactions.

If we’re buddies then I’ve been bussing him since the sun started rising in the sky

[dunya]

we're at 8 town vs 3 hellinic and 2 scum

It's not lylo yet. 2 of the hellinic league have chosen sides and 1 hasn't yet. let's say 1 went with town and 1 went Persian -- it's not a worst case scenario, but it's not the best scenario either so I think it's good to assume that for now.

9 town vs 3 scum vs 1 3p.

if we mislynch today and scum get a kill

7 town vs 3 scum and 1 3p.

we can afford 1 more mislynch before lylo and this phase is heavily persian-favored.

speed claimed burn out, his role gets passed to the next in command, and his death gives Persians an advantage and puts us in a a possible lylo situation. do I think he would have been a perfect target to buss yesterday? yes, I do.

Gonna look at day 5 and see what happened before I waste time with ISOs. sometimes focusing on specific people distracts from the bigger picture.

[Turnip Head]

speed claimed burn out, his role gets passed to the next in command, and his death gives Persians an advantage and puts us in a a possible lylo situation. do I think he would have been a perfect target to buss yesterday? yes, I do.

Gonna look at day 5 and see what happened before I waste time with ISOs. sometimes focusing on specific people distracts from the bigger picture.

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[Turnip Head]

Chapter 4 - Kylemii

Spoiler: show

"oh wait that's me, it's just a mirror haha" Kyle said, relieved

"haha wow what a funny and good joke, im so happy that joke happened, and that you committed to making it, even though others might not have made it, because it was so good, a very good joke. hey by the way, are you a vampire?" Becca said, and also asked

"no."

"Aw :/"

quoting to make sure im still on the mailing list

10 outta 10, a must read

[dunya]

10/10 for the drake reference. you're my new favorite person, TH

[dunya]

I actually don't mean Jack, tho. I think speed's role would have encouraged early on distancing and gradual bussing rather than what Jack did. Jack initiated it, but who was on that bandwagon with a backstory and back suspicion of speed?

[dunya]

i feel like im seriously walking on eggshells here with the rules this phase. rip me.

[Turnip Head]

I actually don't mean Jack, tho. I think speed's role would have encouraged early on distancing and gradual bussing rather than what Jack did. Jack initiated it, but who was on that bandwagon with a backstory and back suspicion of speed?

I can't remember, but I have complete faith in your detective skills

[Jackofhearts2005]

I actually don't mean Jack, tho. I think speed's role would have encouraged early on distancing and gradual bussing rather than what Jack did. Jack initiated it, but who was on that bandwagon with a backstory and back suspicion of speed?

Kyle, TH, Wolbre, CBob, MP, Sloonei

Jack and Daisy had actual cases and went after Speed before he was going to be lynched. Choutas is dead.

Alt wagon was Marmot, Scotty, Quin, Speed

[Turnip Head]

tbh if we're looking for a busser we won't find a more perfect fit. Either Jack bussed speed from the start or no one did, imo

[colonialbob]

i feel like im seriously walking on eggshells here with the rules this phase. rip me.

Use my handy emoji-based system

[dunya]

nah. I've been scum with a role that's more useful dead than alive before and I encouraged my teammates to cast suspicion on me gradually because I wanted to get lynched before endgame when the moment was right. I'm not an easily lynchable person by nature (one mislynch ever), so I definitely think speed would have foreseen that his death benefited his teammates more.

[dunya]

i feel like im seriously walking on eggshells here with the rules this phase. rip me.

Use my handy emoji-based system

[Jackofhearts2005]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 08#p438608

^Day reviews should start here. First serious push on Speedchuck.

How does everyone react to this?

[colonialbob]

I actually don't mean Jack, tho. I think speed's role would have encouraged early on distancing and gradual bussing rather than what Jack did. Jack initiated it, but who was on that bandwagon with a backstory and back suspicion of speed?

Kyle, TH, Wolbre, CBob, MP, Sloonei

Jack and Daisy had actual cases and went after Speed before he was going to be lynched. Choutas is dead.

Alt wagon was Marmot, Scotty, Quin, Speed

I feel like my vote was kinda the tipping point?

Like, with 4 votes and lots of undecided, it could still go either way. After my vote, the snowball was kind of rolling down the hill.

This is to say I think hardcore bussers would've been me or earlier, while voting to not look conspicuous would've been after me. (Also arguably after the next vote, who o can't remember at the moment)

[dunya]

speedchuck is a great mafia player and pretty hard to lynch as scum, easy to mislynch as town. he didn't really make it that hard here... instead, the first phase he was seriously cast as a suspect, he got lynched.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hi. Sorry I've been absent, I had to write on my Friday off and also tomorrow and just couldn't this evening. Ill pay more attention tomorrow I promise.

Speedchuck / Scotty / Jack / MP

S & S - gonna be honest, vague feelings. Need to research.

Like Jack's effort recently. More please. Make me believe you're town looking to solve vs maf deciding to try when you finally catch heat.

MP - reasons I laid out yesterday. Will make a better more formal case tomorrow.

Let’s see that Scotty/MP research.

[colonialbob]

Hi. Sorry I've been absent, I had to write on my Friday off and also tomorrow and just couldn't this evening. Ill pay more attention tomorrow I promise.

Speedchuck / Scotty / Jack / MP

S & S - gonna be honest, vague feelings. Need to research.

Like Jack's effort recently. More please. Make me believe you're town looking to solve vs maf deciding to try when you finally catch heat.

MP - reasons I laid out yesterday. Will make a better more formal case tomorrow.

Let’s see that Scotty/MP research.

I'm less suspish of MP than I was, but yeah I owe y'all some book reports. Might have to wait until tonight when I can get on my computer.

[Turnip Head]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 08#p438608

^Day reviews should start here. First serious push on Speedchuck.

How does everyone react to this?

That post itself was YOUR reaction to getting pressured. Day reviews should start like an hour before that post. You didn't play ^ that card unprovoked.

[dunya]

he made a whole voluntary weird as hell GTH post where he says he'll name 7 scum and names 8 instead. like, does that seem like a real scum slip or more like planted reasons to eventually build a case and suspect speed?

got my tinfoil hat and detective glasses on.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

How coincidental of Jack to start laying out reads now.

And how nice of cbob to butter him up and inflate his standing. He a teammate?

I think jack is distancing from nova and maybe speed. Can’t determine yet. I’m now convinced jack is only choosing to be “straight” because he has pressure.

This post is bad indicative. Does not address Speedchuck case. Doubles down on his weaksauce vote for me even though his reason for voting me just went away. Hedges on a future scum Speed flip, calling my case “distancing.

[Turnip Head]

Like it's important to me that your first setious push against speedchuck was after I put a vote on you, jack

[Jackofhearts2005]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 08#p438608

^Day reviews should start here. First serious push on Speedchuck.

How does everyone react to this?

That post itself was YOUR reaction to getting pressured. Day reviews should start like an hour before that post. You didn't play ^ that card unprovoked.

I haven’t flipped mafia (or anything) so who cares? Analysis should be around reactions to the Speed lynch.

[Turnip Head]

I haven’t flipped mafia (or anything) so who cares? Analysis should be around reactions to the Speed lynch.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

Super town indicative post

1) Recognizes town behavior, derailing the attempt to discredit me.

2) Does not move to bus Speed for credit.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

Spoiler: show

Nova is scum. Colin teammate evidence and generally a bad feeling.

I feel like " evidence " is a strong word for what happened. It's a thrown away vote from and some interactions. Some argue that they make me bad, and I argue they don't. The motive behind Colin's vote is easily explainable and my interactions with him show that I was the second one to push him and I meant it.

Where does this bad feeling stems from ?

Nova is scum. Colin teammate evidence and generally a bad feeling.

I feel like " evidence " is a strong word for what happened. It's a thrown away vote from and some interactions. Some argue that they make me bad, and I argue they don't. The motive behind Colin's vote is easily explainable and my interactions with him show that I was the second one to push him and I meant it.

Where does this bad feeling stems from ?

Your interaction with Colin on day 2 don’t help your case in claiming any sort of “push” against Colin. You had that back and forth on N1 and then took a backseat until he was basically lynched on D2, while simultaneously pushing other narratives.

I didn't have any interaction with him D2 though, so what are those interaction on D2 that don't help my case ? He posted 3 times during D2 and I told you that his posts were bad and nothing in them changed my mind nor warranted an interaction with him.

Why are putting push in quotations mark ?

What other narratives did I try to push ? Sloonei, my other top scum read since D1, at that moment ? That's only 1. What are the others ?

Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

I don't know you well, but I've played with you before. Guess what ? You were bad and did the same thing, you did last day phase. So, I'm not going anywhere from you.

Nice ' no u ' vote. Just like you did D1 with Marmot, Daisy.

Nova essentially ignores my Speed case and focuses on defending himself from me and Daisy.

Not the best look.

[Turnip Head]

Yesterday Review

Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

Super town indicative post

1) Recognizes town behavior, derailing the attempt to discredit me.

2) Does not move to bus Speed for credit.

Yesterday Review

Spoiler: show

Nova is scum. Colin teammate evidence and generally a bad feeling.

I feel like " evidence " is a strong word for what happened. It's a thrown away vote from and some interactions. Some argue that they make me bad, and I argue they don't. The motive behind Colin's vote is easily explainable and my interactions with him show that I was the second one to push him and I meant it.

Where does this bad feeling stems from ?

Nova is scum. Colin teammate evidence and generally a bad feeling.

I feel like " evidence " is a strong word for what happened. It's a thrown away vote from and some interactions. Some argue that they make me bad, and I argue they don't. The motive behind Colin's vote is easily explainable and my interactions with him show that I was the second one to push him and I meant it.

Where does this bad feeling stems from ?

Your interaction with Colin on day 2 don’t help your case in claiming any sort of “push” against Colin. You had that back and forth on N1 and then took a backseat until he was basically lynched on D2, while simultaneously pushing other narratives.

I didn't have any interaction with him D2 though, so what are those interaction on D2 that don't help my case ? He posted 3 times during D2 and I told you that his posts were bad and nothing in them changed my mind nor warranted an interaction with him.

Why are putting push in quotations mark ?

What other narratives did I try to push ? Sloonei, my other top scum read since D1, at that moment ? That's only 1. What are the others ?

Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

I don't know you well, but I've played with you before. Guess what ? You were bad and did the same thing, you did last day phase. So, I'm not going anywhere from you.

Nice ' no u ' vote. Just like you did D1 with Marmot, Daisy.

Nova essentially ignores my Speed case and focuses on defending himself from me and Daisy.

Not the best look.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Go away, Mongrel.

I’m busy.

[Turnip Head]

fair enough

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p438634

Marmot posts three times starting here. Doesn’t address the Speed case. Commiserates w/Scotty about Luna’s death, saying the oracle had expressed faith in Luna twice. Feels fakish. Oracle is just a single townie’s delayed reads, not a freaking copping. Soft defends Daisy from Nova.

How coincidental of Jack to start laying out reads now.

And how nice of cbob to butter him up and inflate his standing. He a teammate?

I think jack is distancing from nova and maybe speed. Can’t determine yet. I’m now convinced jack is only choosing to be “straight” because he has pressure.

who was pressuring jack

@ackofhearts2005 is your preferred lynch of the day speedchuck?

Kyle comes in with this. You could maybe read this as a dig on Scotty/TH and a defense on me and then a setup to bus Speed but they may all just be catchup questions.




Slight ding to Marmot. Null to Kyle.

[dunya]

I can't say simply not addressing your speed case makes nova look bad there. when you're the counterwagon to speed and people are throwing shit your way, your priority is to clear your name and get the voters off you.

like I said, townies have 2 responsibilities:
1. to vote
2. to not get mislynched

In Seinfeld, I remember Supertown Jay went after me every phase and since I had limited time to play, most of my contributions were self defences and hopping on bandwagons. I was Town though, but all my effort went into saving myself from accusations and a mislynch.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

Who are we planning to jump at

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine
If she flips town I'm going after Coitus and Nova and TH

Yucky salad. Nobody was talking about these players except Nova.

Feels fake since he asked what we were doing and then did his own (soft) thing immediately after.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I can't say simply not addressing your speed case makes nova look bad there. when you're the counterwagon to speed and people are throwing shit your way, your priority is to clear your name and get the voters off you.

like I said, townies have 2 responsibilities:
1. to vote
2. to not get mislynched

In Seinfeld, I remember Supertown Jay went after me every phase and since I had limited time to play, most of my contributions were self defences and hopping on bandwagons. I was Town though, but all my effort went into saving myself from accusations and a mislynch.

Agreed. Hence “not the best” but I’m pinged by Scotty, Wolbre and Marmot more so far.

[dunya]

Yesterday Review

Who are we planning to jump at

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine
If she flips town I'm going after Coitus and Nova and TH

Yucky salad. Nobody was talking about these players except Nova.

Feels fake since he asked what we were doing and then did his own (soft) thing immediately after.

I don't care about the vote on me, but what's the relationship between Choutas, Nova and TH exactly -- why are they team compatible -- and why does my Towniness incriminate them?

confused. really confused.

[Turnip Head]

Yesterday Review

Who are we planning to jump at

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine
If she flips town I'm going after Coitus and Nova and TH

Yucky salad. Nobody was talking about these players except Nova.

Feels fake since he asked what we were doing and then did his own (soft) thing immediately after.

could you like... dig into this for me more

I mean I can see your motivated

but I wanna know more about this one.

[Marmot]

<3 kyle tea

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review


Bob triple posts starting here

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 81#p438681

Later admits the first “strike” post attacking me was a fake prod to evaluate me with. I buy it.

Calls out Daisy for saying “You are wrong” and then “You are bad” to Nova and Marmot for assigning importance to the oracle.

Good look for town style Bob but no interaction to the Speed case.

[dunya]

yea, I feel wolbre has been kind of skidding by. I'm gonna break my no ISO rule and ISO him. That post has no beginning, middle or end. :/

[Marmot]

Someone shoulda analyze Scotty and Nova to see if they are likely buddies or nah.

Gut says nah but that’s a really uninformed read cause I haven’t ISOed Nova or Scotty/Nova interactions.

If we’re buddies then I’ve been bussing him since the sun started rising in the sky

It's a convenient thing to do in the case he gets lynched someday, making you accurate.

[Scotty]

Jack’s Speedchuck interactions:

—Day 1–

Statistically speaking, we’re likely to catch a baddie by lynching Speedchuck.

#1

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Is it? I'm new to GTH. I thought the gun was only supposed to force you to say town or scum instead of null.

The whole premise of Gun to Head is that it is just that- assumptions you would make on people if you had a gun to your head. Not organized beforehand where you say “ok, I’m thinking I’ll maybe call him bad and him good and oh! Looks like I need to come up with a few more grease monkeys!”

Bad look

#disagree

#why

Cause Speedchuck has done GTH like once or twice and anyway, how is that AI?

I forgot that he was the first to cast doubt on me here. Why is he defending speedchuck?

I’ll tell you what Speedchuck’s real alignment is on Day 6.

lol it’s currently Day 6, and he was lynched yesterday. Coincidence?? I don’t even understand the context of this or why he said it. It wasn’t in response to anything. Wtf

—Day 2—

@dunya

Wanna lynch Speedchuck?

#2

Whatever. You all bad anyway.

IKR?

I caught you and now you’ll get away with it.

#3

—Night 2—

@Dom

Speedchuck, Wolbre, Sloonei.

Luna, I don’t know about. She’s new. What people suspect her for is one post from another player. Do I think that scared Colin distances from a teammate in this scenario? Probably. But I’ve also never played with Colin and only seen his town play in FE so that’s a fair amount to bet without good info. I think Colin avoiding the Sloonei and Sig wagons because Sloonei is a mate to be more convincing.

LC I’m pretty null on. I’m not even shook after I last mislynched him in...MK? I just am not paying much attention to him.

Wolbre especially looks bad if Sloonei is bad. He had the wafflyiest defense of Sloonei since Sloonei threw away his eggo shield.

Speed, I just just don’t buy his rainbow. There are three neutrals and a large town. Two players are messing around. So he thinks they’re both bad? No way, Jose. That rainbow list is made up.

#4

—Day 3—

You're going after Team IDGAF now?

I've been after them for a while.

Cause you need fall guys cause you so bad.

#5

Speedchuck so bad, Michael Jackson gave him the rights to that song.

Speedchuck so evil, Thanos thinks his plans are a bit much.

Speedchuck so corrupt, Republicans are going to nominate him to run for president in 2024.

#6

—Night 3—

Speedchuck prolly bad tho.

Just sayin.

#7

—Day 4—

Lol Luna and Speedchuck bad together. So romantic.

#8

—Night 4—

@speedchuck

Is this the game you aren’t playing in or the one where you are bad?

#9

This is also the time where he and speed start a gif battle of incredulousness.

Okay gimmie gth reads on:

Speedchuck
Speedchuck
Speedchuck
Speedchuck

And why is he bad?

#10

Could one of you guys at least tell people WHY you think I'm bad? I really hope it's not "because meta."

I forget.

#10.5

And that is why Speedchuck is bad.

This is called scumhunting.

#11 (and this is in response to speed calling sprit GTH bad even tho he wasn’t in the game)

And that is why Speedchuck is bad.

This is called scumhunting.

Because I'm not paying enough attention to the game?

Or because I think a player that had completely evaded notice could be bad?

Because I’m a detective and I outsmarted you.

Therefore, you have to be the bad guy or else what am I even doing, right?

#12

—Day 5—

speedchuck, you're bad.

He knows.

#13

I’m going to be serious for the night so enjoy it while you can.

Choutas feels good. Cool as a cucumber under pressure. He doesn’t have an agenda beyond catching baddies.

Dunya has some tied to baddie Colin (I’ve been told) and I could see her bad with Speedchuck. Tone read her as good, which is probably dumb of me but whatever. Not opportunistic. Not leading. That probably cancels out. The “let’s start a game of gth okay nm bye” thing makes her look a little worse, too. Day tone tho.

Quin’s position is built on benefit of the doubt due to scumier players. I cannot recall any of his posts.

Kyle feels town. Heart read.

I don’t remember much of Lap this game but this looks a damn lot like typical town Bob. I’m kinda bad at reading Bob but I feel pretty confident if this read for some reason.

MP is basic town MP, complete with moments of being too busy to post. I’d be shocked if he was anything but town.

Marmot feels good. Then again, I kinda default to town reading Marmot if he does like anything. The colored vote things are more work than they are useful, which is a good place for scum to hide.

Nova is scum. Colin teammate evidence and generally a bad feeling.

Scotty is a possible scum player. As MP said, he’s going after low hanging fruit. Nova and Speedchuck are juicy targets if you want to lynch scum. Team idgaf is actually full of townies if you pay them half an ounce of attention. Scotty faulters sometimes as town but this is a particularly weak method of solving and I don’t buy his panic at all or his complaints about the Luna lynch.

Sloonei feels town and by POE is veeeery unlikely to be bad. Someone said he had Colin links but eh.

Spacedaisy is probably town by POE and also, I just kinda know she’s good.

Speedchuck is blatantly bad. My suspicions really started when he put me and TH low on his rainbow, which is dumb. He’s continued to push that angle in the gentlest of ways. It reeks of not only low hanging fruit but pointing out how nice the fruit is and hoping someone will get it for him. He’s afraid to stick his neck out and go for it himself, which mirrors his passive scum behavior in Pirates and Fire Emblem. He’s complained that I haven’t pursued my read on him in a meaningful way, which until now, is true. However, he’s done nothing to pursue his read of me or any of his reads, really. Without checking, do you know any of Speedchuck’s reads that I didn’t just tell you? Can you think of any hunting or any meaningful contribution he’s made all game? Of course you can’t. No. Speedchuck’s reactions to me are of a scummer who thinks I’m Indy and hopes I’ll never actually push him or that I’ll get myself lynched. His every post is testing the waters for one of those things. He’s not hunting.

TH is town. Duh. When he actually says stuff, the stuff makes sense.

Wolbre is maybe scum for being kinda there and saying wrong mechanical things. Did he have Colin links? I can’t recall.

#14. This is when he starts really laying out a case against speed.

How coincidental of Jack to start laying out reads now.

And how nice of cbob to butter him up and inflate his standing. He a teammate?

I think jack is distancing from nova and maybe speed. Can’t determine yet. I’m now convinced jack is only choosing to be “straight” because he has pressure.

who was pressuring jack

Jack was pressuring Jack. Sick of people assuming my Speedchuck read was a joke of some sort. Ready to see him strung up.

#15

So let me bus Speedchuck.

This is the “Jack is trying to bus Simon” thing from MK all over again. “I think Jack and the person he wants to lynch are both bad so I’m absolutely not going to lynch the person Hack wants to lynch.....for some reason.”

#16 and WIFOM ‘I’m bussing Speedchuck’

an earnest plea, to be sure

Is there a reason you aren’t voting Speedchuck?

Either I’m town and I caught him or I’m bad and I’m bussing him. What’s the problem?

#17

@colonialbob

Tell me why Speedchuck is not a good lynch today.

#18

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Scotty got the answer way back when. Scotty is Civ.

Eyyyyyyy and yet I remember at least 2 people calling that not suspicious and it was basically dropped. I forgot who defended him

Me. Cause he’s my scum buddy. String him up.

#19. He’s really pushing that bussing WIFOM hard

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Scotty got the answer way back when. Scotty is Civ.

Eyyyyyyy and yet I remember at least 2 people calling that not suspicious and it was basically dropped. I forgot who defended him

Me. Cause he’s my scum buddy. String him up.

What? I saw no such defense unless it came much later.

You think Speed is town Jack?

No, I think he’s scum. I’m just giving Scotty a hard time. I think I did say Speeds counted scumreads were NAI but maybe that was a similar situation with another player.

#20. Oh, so in this post he admits to just badgering me on D1 and never was defending speed. How nice of him. He always thought speed was bad.

Speedchuck is blatantly bad. My suspicions really started when he put me and TH low on his rainbow, which is dumb. He’s continued to push that angle in the gentlest of ways. It reeks of not only low hanging fruit but pointing out how nice the fruit is and hoping someone will get it for him. He’s afraid to stick his neck out and go for it himself, which mirrors his passive scum behavior in Pirates and Fire Emblem. He’s complained that I haven’t pursued my read on him in a meaningful way, which until now, is true. However, he’s done nothing to pursue his read of me or any of his reads, really. Without checking, do you know any of Speedchuck’s reads that I didn’t just tell you? Can you think of any hunting or any meaningful contribution he’s made all game? Of course you can’t. No. Speedchuck’s reactions to me are of a scummer who thinks I’m Indy and hopes I’ll never actually push him or that I’ll get myself lynched. His every post is testing the waters for one of those things. He’s not hunting.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

Bake him away, toys.

#21

Nova is town.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3P. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

hey by the way what the heck does this mean, do you think jack is 3p?

Fixed a typo.

I think it's likely.

then why are you voting for him

Because spoiler alert, Speedchuck is both wrong and bad.

#22

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

I thought your theory was that I would change based on how you flip. Now I’ve changed based on a changed alignment of a 3P that hadn’t happened yet?

None of this does anything but underline that your’re more concerned with 3P than scum, which is a good portion of my arguement against you.

That WAS my theory. The theory has changed thanks to new info from the OP. New theory makes more sense with your're playstyle and POV.

Okay great. My theory is the same. You care more about if I’m 3P and if so, what I will do with that than you care about finding baddies. Cause you know where the baddies are. Cause you’re bad.

#23

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Jack systematically threw speed’s name into the air every. Single. Phase.
On Day 5, he ramped it up and really bombarded the speed speakerphone. He’s really been gunning for speed since day 1. What changed in day 5 that he really hit it home?

[Scotty]

There’s no way jack had a role check on day 1, which could have been a worthwhile explanation of his constant and often jilted stand-alone seedlings of speed guilt (speedlings, if you will)

How about that for a new case, based on dunya’s theory that a role such as speed’s would be great to bus gradually?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yesterday Review

Spoiler: show

moar jack votes plz

I’m going to be serious for the night so enjoy it while you can.
TH is town. Duh. When he actually says stuff, the stuff makes sense.

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TH basically says Speed and I are buddies and I should be lynched. A few nuances to this

1) I don’t understand why townies (do townies actually do this or is it scum and I don’t check afterwards) want to prevent scum from bussing their teammates. This happened in MK and caused Simon to be lynched 3 days after he was copped bad. I want to call this behavior acummy but I want people to weigh in

2) TH is still going for the “Jack bussed Speed” tinfoil even though it is not catching on, to the detriment of his own cred (see point 3). This reads as more selfless townie who really believes this. Scum would have dropped the angle by now. Contrast Scotty, who needs to discredit me if he’s bad, bad TH could just admit that he was wrong and coast on me townreading him. But he doesn’t.

2.5) If Scotty and TH are both bad together, they went all in on discrediting me to save Speed and never came up with a new plan. Scotty and TH are thus unlikely w/w.

3) TH has little content but the percentage of his content that is on point is rapidly falling. Doesn’t really make me scum read him, though.

[Marmot]

Yesterday Review

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p438634

Marmot posts three times starting here. Doesn’t address the Speed case. Commiserates w/Scotty about Luna’s death, saying the oracle had expressed faith in Luna twice. Feels fakish. Oracle is just a single townie’s delayed reads, not a freaking copping. Soft defends Daisy from Nova.

How coincidental of Jack to start laying out reads now.

And how nice of cbob to butter him up and inflate his standing. He a teammate?

I think jack is distancing from nova and maybe speed. Can’t determine yet. I’m now convinced jack is only choosing to be “straight” because he has pressure.

who was pressuring jack

@ackofhearts2005 is your preferred lynch of the day speedchuck?

Kyle comes in with this. You could maybe read this as a dig on Scotty/TH and a defense on me and then a setup to bus Speed but they may all just be catchup questions.




Slight ding to Marmot. Null to Kyle.

I thought the Oracle's posts, coupled with Luna's reactions, were enough evidence in Luna's favor to not lynch her, or at least not in hot-potato fashion.

Also, I'm not sure I realized there was a speedchuck case at the time. Even now, I'm looking back and don't see a case against speedchuck. I do see your list of reads of everyone right before that on Day 5, but not a case.

[Turnip Head]

1) I don’t understand why townies (do townies actually do this or is it scum and I don’t check afterwards) want to prevent scum from bussing their teammates. This happened in MK and caused Simon to be lynched 3 days after he was copped bad. I want to call this behavior acummy but I want people to weigh in

I'll explain myself...

If I was right about what you were doing, Jack, then lynching you before Speedchuck was the best move as town. If I successfully got you lynched yesterday and you were bad, then I could keep riding that wave to get Chucky lynched next.

But we lynched Chuck first and here we are... you have way more town cred now than you did yesterday, and my tinfoil loses its shine.

Hope that explains my thought process