The Syndicate

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:14 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:12 pm fully explaining my perception of her scum game would possibly reveal the tell so im not interested in going into detail
but i will say that esooa scum has recently succeeded due to naivety of town not having played with scum esooa before - it wasnt necessarily due to her blending into her townplay so much as ppl underestimating her.

Very well, thanks. Do you recall one of her scum games that you watched and where I can find it?

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29301

lol town devoured themself this game I barely was trying

kobas read on me is funny cause they have inaccurate meta, mac definitely knows my meta much better

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:19 pm At the very least I think we owe it to Mac to consider Esooa under a more critical lens. Unless he spoiled himself with a different answer, I suspect he's been screaming in his coffin all day.

I don't care about this lol. I think it's possible he softened on her from the graveyard/after the LC flip, and regardless he has been wrong about tunnels like that many a time.

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:14 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:12 pm fully explaining my perception of her scum game would possibly reveal the tell so im not interested in going into detail
but i will say that esooa scum has recently succeeded due to naivety of town not having played with scum esooa before - it wasnt necessarily due to her blending into her townplay so much as ppl underestimating her.

Very well, thanks. Do you recall one of her scum games that you watched and where I can find it?

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29301

Much appreciated. The first difference I note is in activity rate -- 360ish posts across 5 game cycles there (as far as I can tell she survived); 619 posts in just under 1.5 cycles here. That game doesn't look like it was terribly inactive either. Hally lol

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:22 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:19 pm At the very least I think we owe it to Mac to consider Esooa under a more critical lens. Unless he spoiled himself with a different answer, I suspect he's been screaming in his coffin all day.

I don't care about this lol. I think it's possible he softened on her from the graveyard/after the LC flip, and regardless he has been wrong about tunnels like that many a time.

I mean his graveyard behavior is irrelevant to her alignment lol. I just want to respeck the dead a little better than we have been.

I'm clearly not baking Esooa today. Just having a think.

Hah. Esooa did a mini-salad in that game. This post is irrelevant, don't mind me.

Mac said esooa is town of LC is

So idk what you’re on about but it’s misguided

A garden side salad, if you will

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:27 pm Mac said esooa is town of LC is

So idk what you’re on about but it’s misguided

do you feel like this game is easy

lol

anyways yes this conversation is useless but I find it really funny koba is using my scum range to read me cause I intentionally play outside of my "scum range" according to how it would be perceived if people meta read, even though it's ALWAYS incorrect because my scum range improves as I play more

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:22 pmHally lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:30 pm lol

anyways yes this conversation is useless but I find it really funny koba is using my scum range to read me cause I intentionally play outside of my "scum range" according to how it would be perceived if people meta read, even though it's ALWAYS incorrect because my scum range improves as I play more

ur not there yet

It's always useful to find better reasons to trust our own reads. If Esooa is town and this dialogue helps make that even clearer, then it might alleviate future tinfoil if things go sour.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:27 pm Mac said esooa is town of LC is

So idk what you’re on about but it’s misguided

do you feel like this game is easy

Mixed feelings

I think there’s enough of a chance that it is that I want to play the first two or three days as if it is

And enough of a chance it’s hard that I’m preparing/tracking side or parallel reads just in case

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:31 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:30 pm lol

anyways yes this conversation is useless but I find it really funny koba is using my scum range to read me cause I intentionally play outside of my "scum range" according to how it would be perceived if people meta read, even though it's ALWAYS incorrect because my scum range improves as I play more

ur not there yet

mac scum read me day 1 reasonably on the premise I'm probably never going to be out of my scum range and I very easily can be towny

Esooa seems a lot more jovial and meme in DK's game link than in this one, where there's more serious bidness and solving.

Also she didn't lock Hally as town with her 468543249678475 posts. I don't see any reads that bad here. Okay I'm satisfied for now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:36 pm Esooa seems a lot more jovial and meme in DK's game link than in this one, where there's more serious bidness and solving.

Also she didn't lock Hally as town with her 468543249678475 posts. I don't see any reads that bad here. Okay I'm satisfied for now.

lmao that's cause we mislynched Hally in mylo

that game sucked for Hally lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:33 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:31 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:30 pm lol

anyways yes this conversation is useless but I find it really funny koba is using my scum range to read me cause I intentionally play outside of my "scum range" according to how it would be perceived if people meta read, even though it's ALWAYS incorrect because my scum range improves as I play more

ur not there yet

mac scum read me day 1 reasonably on the premise I'm probably never going to be out of my scum range and I very easily can be towny

oh I said reasonably here to mean decently part because of.
his scum read was unreasonable

I wonder if I die tonight if Ellie flips scum

by the way there's a 75% chance mafia has an extra kp, and very frequently if town has a cop there's a godfather

the joat has a vig?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:57 am Alison 1 Made
EllieDelight 1 Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay 1 tutuu
Long Con 5 EllieDelight, nutella, Alison, staypositivefriend, Esooa
Michelle 1 DkKoba
staypositivefriend 1 Michelle

Wolves need activity to mimic they are active scum hunting so the wagon on LC can't be forned only by villagers.
How that wagon formed and in what order?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:47 pm the joat has a vig?

Yeah

It’s in the spoilers at the bottom of the OP

TOWN
doom
jjj
made
michelle
nutella

probably TOWN
koba
grogu
tutuu

null
nanook

scum
alison
ellie
spf

reads aren't ordered

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:47 pm the joat has a vig?

Mafia Jack of All Trades - This player has three one-time use roll abilities; These abilities will differ based on the used setup. The abilities could be any of the following combinations.
Setup A: 1-shot night kill, 1-shot rollblock, 1-shot silence
Setup B: 1-shot night kill, 1-shot protection, 1-shot roll cop
Setup 1: 1-shot night kill, 1-shot silence, 1-shot roll cop
Setup 2: 1-shot night kill, 1-shot rollblock, 1-shot protection

Null lmao

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 pm Null lmao

owned

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:50 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 pm Null lmao

owned

You might as well just say “nanook is obvious town but I don’t want to townread him cause I don’t like him” lolol

Trustfall

Alison - game-long agreement on game perspective including both reads, game state, and thread climate. Thorough hunting efforts that do not make me wonder.

DaughterOfOmega - decent tone, incisive hunting, doesn't feel like someone pushing a bad agenda

DkKoba - decent tone, against-the-grain hunting feels authentic, not carrying dissenting reads to anti-town toxicity

EllieDelight - when under pressure from non-Made sources, seems to respond in ways that I have seen wrongly chopped town do before

Esooa - decent tone, high activity volume, bad fit on most teams, willing to change perspectives as game information develops (e.g. Michelle read)

Grogu - hard to find agenda or overt dishonesty in his posts

Made - never stopped applying himself to the hunt even when being blasted by the whole thread

Michelle - periodically veered into hunting behavior that seems authentic, response to pressure more emotional than I recall from her mafia play

Nanook - he's a decent reflection of the fuckless player I wanted to be in this game at least on the surface, is an awkward teammate fit with some suspicious players

nutella - agreement on most reads of players and game state, playing at a pace unfamiliar to most of her mafia games, good tone, willing to change perspectives as game information develops

staypositivefriend - agreement on most reads of players and game state, awkward teammate fit with some suspicious players

tutuu - looks exactly like town tutuu, hunt feels authentic, fits on fewer teams than any other player (tied Esooa)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:50 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 pm Null lmao

owned

You might as well just say “nanook is obvious town but I don’t want to townread him cause I don’t like him” lolol

but you're not obvious town lol

esooa how am i not obvious town here?

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:55 pm esooa how am i not obvious town here?

just don't think you've been towny enough to be

I asked myself to squeeze a 6-player POE out of that trustfall. I ended up with:

DaughterOfOmega
EllieDelight
Grogu
Made
Nanook
staypositivefriend

I think I'm good with Michelle again. What a wild rolley coaster

If Alison is mafia I'm gonna need help with that one.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:58 pm If Alison is mafia I'm gonna need help with that one.

biggest reason is I think doom and made are always town unlike in your poe and the difference determines a lot of how the thread state is to be interpreted I think

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:56 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:55 pm esooa how am i not obvious town here?

just don't think you've been towny enough to be

wow but im obvtown esooa??? holy crap how can u be so dumb

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:53 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:50 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 pm Null lmao

owned

You might as well just say “nanook is obvious town but I don’t want to townread him cause I don’t like him” lolol

but you're not obvious town lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:58 pm If Alison is mafia I'm gonna need help with that one.

biggest reason is I think doom and made are always town unlike in your poe and the difference determines a lot of how the thread state is to be interpreted I think

Awkwardly, I think I understand your confidence in Made more than your confidence in Omega, even if I would call Made more suspicious than Omega.

Omega seems fine, but I can't point to anything and say "I am completely comfortable with this player forever"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:02 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:58 pm If Alison is mafia I'm gonna need help with that one.

biggest reason is I think doom and made are always town unlike in your poe and the difference determines a lot of how the thread state is to be interpreted I think

Awkwardly, I think I understand your confidence in Made more than your confidence in Omega, even if I would call Made more suspicious than Omega.

Omega seems fine, but I can't point to anything and say "I am completely comfortable with this player forever"

timing and direction of their ISO's and reads shows an extremely towny disconnect from thread, completely uninterested in pursuing a narrative

Trouble with Nanook is I don't think I can find any post he has made that he couldn't have made as a mafioso. Factor in the sometimes weird reads and there's cause for concern.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:50 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 pm Null lmao

owned

You might as well just say “nanook is obvious town but I don’t want to townread him cause I don’t like him” lolol

nanook is obvious town but I don’t want to townread him cause I don’t like him

made is always town cause I told him to get rid of anti town bullshit in his thought process and he immediately have two separate worlds that were good and made sense with justification, his willingness to do so at the time and continuation of it is towny, and he showed his previous engagement of analyzing the game in multiple directions and levels

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:04 pm Trouble with Nanook is I don't think I can find any post he has made that he couldn't have made as a mafioso. Factor in the sometimes weird reads and there's cause for concern.

yes

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:50 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:49 pm Null lmao

owned

You might as well just say “nanook is obvious town but I don’t want to townread him cause I don’t like him” lolol

nanook is obvious town but I don’t want to townread him cause I don’t like him

Thanks I love you too

My 3-name solve of the day TM is ellie/spf/nook

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:04 pm Trouble with Nanook is I don't think I can find any post he has made that he couldn't have made as a mafioso. Factor in the sometimes weird reads and there's cause for concern.

Idk that I’ve ever made a single post as town that I was incapable of making as scum, and trying to read people on the basis of what is theoretically possible instead of on the basis of what is probable is a recipe for bad tinfoils

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:04 pm Trouble with Nanook is I don't think I can find any post he has made that he couldn't have made as a mafioso. Factor in the sometimes weird reads and there's cause for concern.

Idk that I’ve ever made a single post as town that I was incapable of making as scum, and trying to read people on the basis of what is theoretically possible instead of on the basis of what is probable is a recipe for bad tinfoils

okay so

you've basically done nothing to impact the game

done nothing you couldn't do as scum

and you protest a null read?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:04 pm Trouble with Nanook is I don't think I can find any post he has made that he couldn't have made as a mafioso. Factor in the sometimes weird reads and there's cause for concern.

Idk that I’ve ever made a single post as town that I was incapable of making as scum, and trying to read people on the basis of what is theoretically possible instead of on the basis of what is probable is a recipe for bad tinfoils

Maybe, but you're never getting tinfoiled

Overtly town-seeming people get tinfoiled

It's not just theory. Your reads have been weird and static.

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

flash wagon?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:08 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:04 pm Trouble with Nanook is I don't think I can find any post he has made that he couldn't have made as a mafioso. Factor in the sometimes weird reads and there's cause for concern.

Idk that I’ve ever made a single post as town that I was incapable of making as scum, and trying to read people on the basis of what is theoretically possible instead of on the basis of what is probable is a recipe for bad tinfoils

okay so

you've basically done nothing to impact the game

done nothing you couldn't do as scum

and you protest a null read?

Yes I’m obvious town

And you should either admit that or have the cajones to scumread me