The Syndicate

Maybe I should reconsider Seanzie

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:14 am Maybe I should reconsider Seanzie

go nuts lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:12 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:00 am what if Tommy's real name or discord name is Matt lol

Just another drop in the bucket of implications
I didn't consciously want to write that when I did

why did you call him matt exactly tho lol

I don't know. That's the shizz I've been trying to figure out since I returned to mafia and I can only throw out various interpretations from observing instances of what I assumed to be truth, lying
Maybe there's a counterconsciousness in play somewhere

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:12 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:00 am what if Tommy's real name or discord name is Matt lol

Just another drop in the bucket of implications
I didn't consciously want to write that when I did

why did you call him matt exactly tho lol

I don't know. That's the shizz I've been trying to figure out since I returned to mafia and I can only throw out various interpretations from observing instances of what I assumed to be truth, lying
Maybe there's a counterconsciousness in play somewhere

I put it to you, that he told his name was matt in scum chat

Vivax/Porscha interactions do look pretty good for Vivax

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:52 am yeah idk i'm put off by the mac seanzie thing and then rondo's vote with seanzie dazed me and I feel like something is not right here

do kinda feel like seanzie is tunneling a bit, but sean has been known to do some weird shit early and then expects a town to call him out for it and pass his test (if he's town)

if he doesn't try that technique then he's maf (which usually prompts him to have a much more agreeable play style that doesnt cause a wave too early)

so maybe this is town sean? but the push on mac and tunnel on kuti is weirding me out

This post is my main reason for clearing Seanzie because it just looks like something a wolf doesn't write about a partner, the hedging on his alignment feels like evaluating whether he's a viable push or not

The other reason I think Seanzie is town is how he treated Mac day 1
Mac what do you think about it in hindsight
Specifically the part where he pushed you, claimed he had a good read on you, and you two argued about that for a bit

i think seanzie is very townie is how i think about it

Okay so we're in agreement then

Vivax/Mac/Seanzie just town
Dizzy/Wilgy/lucy/Nanook

If you think Dizzy doesn't double bus just like that, remove Dizzy
Wilgy you can remove for Nanook shield, never kill this before Nanook
Lucy/Nanook
Lucy has interactions with Tommy in her favor, Nanook doesn't
Reading their ISOs again

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:19 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:12 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:00 am what if Tommy's real name or discord name is Matt lol

Just another drop in the bucket of implications
I didn't consciously want to write that when I did

why did you call him matt exactly tho lol

I don't know. That's the shizz I've been trying to figure out since I returned to mafia and I can only throw out various interpretations from observing instances of what I assumed to be truth, lying
Maybe there's a counterconsciousness in play somewhere

I put it to you, that he told his name was matt in scum chat

Would have liked to see what you wrote in there if you were in it when that happened.
Or your face

I dunno why lucy and dizzy both agreed to keeping you in their auto but it makes me want to just clear you and make it them and then let the townies who are left in f3 deal with whatever notwithstanding ur just townie lol

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:19 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:12 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:00 am what if Tommy's real name or discord name is Matt lol

Just another drop in the bucket of implications
I didn't consciously want to write that when I did

why did you call him matt exactly tho lol

I don't know. That's the shizz I've been trying to figure out since I returned to mafia and I can only throw out various interpretations from observing instances of what I assumed to be truth, lying
Maybe there's a counterconsciousness in play somewhere

I put it to you, that he told his name was matt in scum chat

Would have liked to see what you wrote in there if you were in it when that happened.
Or your face

i imagine it'd be similar to the face i'm pulling right now

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:15 pm do u have any reads @Porscha

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:20 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:19 pm yeah I guess I TL mac and wilgy right now
kuti seems on par from the MU game I played with her
I'm not a big day 1 player, I find it's really only useful later in the game to retrospectively see how people interacted

we must be similar

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:28 pm talk more, ur being scumread (SR) for not talking enough @Tommy

I find this string of posts (yes, this is a string of posts) very difficult to envision from a mafia perspective when it's as early into the game as it was at the time

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:21 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:18 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:17 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:14 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:13 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:10 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:08 pm

yes, but they aren’t playing their wolf or town game

Perfect. Then we can deduce by Lucy's testimony that Tommy is not in their wolf meta and their absence is firmly NAI and can we dispell the notion he is frozen. So lets be patient with him, it costs us little and undue pressure causes town members to crack as well.

not talking is indeed NAI, but i’m extremely wary of them not talking

If it is NAI why be wary? Why do you have ptsd from them?

it’s directly making me unable to read them, and they’re the same strength as me who has fooled me a bunch of times. played with them for 2 years straight in all my games

Seems they are a stronger player than you then. Have you ever faced them as wolf when they are town? If so how did that go.

i’ve played 40+ games with them easily, every combination and multiple of those, sometimes good and sometimes bad. it’s an ongoing debate between who’s better

This interaction also exists

let's just do what vulgard says to do

The progression from "they aren't talking so I can't protect them" "oh so they're mafia for it" "no it's NAI but it's suspicious because it's making me unable to read them and they could be doing this to fool me, we're about the same skill level" is extremely town AI imo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:32 am let's just do what vulgard says to do

Funny to hear you say that when I replaced in on day 3 without having read a single post and I'm still only familiar with a couple of ISOs + like 30-something pages of the game, I didn't expect to be put in this position

well if you dont want to be listened to dont make good posts

I don't mind being listened to (in fact it makes me happy) it's just funny that I'm in this position given my status as a replacement

funny haha or funny lol?

I don't think I can look past these lucy interactions at the moment

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:36 am funny haha or funny lol?

Both

I'm at Wilgy/Nanook/Dizzy and it's a matter of ordering them so we end the game as fast as possible and I don't feel bad about killing another town which I always do

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:40 am I don't fully mind being chopped here actually. We're largely town making the decisions, so it's interesting. Last chance now, cause I will mind it on future days

My best PoE is Lucy/Vul. I think there would be two chops afterwards if I'm going over. Maybe listen to dead town this time. Unless I'm wrong wowee

Anyway, I need to get back to work. I'll be around later this night, more before EoD. I will try to gather my thoughts then. I'm not very confident on where to go myself

Bad.

Also, I am sad you didn't react/respond to my #5269 (hehe 69:P)

I'd like to hear an explanation why people think Nanook doesn't kill Axe n2 because I'm reading his ISO rn and I don't see it

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:54 am I'd like to hear an explanation why people think Nanook doesn't kill Axe n2 because I'm reading his ISO rn and I don't see it

cuz they're buddies and axe just doesn't ever really push him lol

but then again its probs a shit reason cuz if Axe ever WERE to push him then nook would just die so

im done with it

Speaking of which @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME how many times has NaA caught you?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:01 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:59 pm Achromatic isn't mafia. Nor is Dyslexicon.

But why. His words don’t impress me. I think he tried to distract from Tommy D1

Ah yes lets tie ourselves firmly to the sinking brick. That sounds like the decision making of a skilled mafioso.

I actually think he would. But it depends on Porscha. If Porscha w, Achro v

Did Dizzy vote Achro on day 3?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:08 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:01 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:59 pm Achromatic isn't mafia. Nor is Dyslexicon.

But why. His words don’t impress me. I think he tried to distract from Tommy D1

Ah yes lets tie ourselves firmly to the sinking brick. That sounds like the decision making of a skilled mafioso.

I actually think he would. But it depends on Porscha. If Porscha w, Achro v

Did Dizzy vote Achro on day 3?

Yea he did.

Also, you can view all EoD polls in the first post of the thread.

I do think Vul is town. Main reason for having him in PoE was the NKs

These posts are interesting because they actually aren't super early into day 1 so Rondo calling them out as a bus might actually have some merit, pivoting immediately to the other wolf partner is pretty clever

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:15 am [VOTE: Tommy] aubergine

Thread flow or he's frozen or whatever

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:18 am Actually I probably shouldn't vote someone I haven't played with rn

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Because lack of impression or something

The phrasing of this post also doesn't look that great for Dizzy because it gives both suspects an out (note the underlined)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 pm I mostly prefer Tommy or Porscha as a chop

I don't really think Porscha calling Sean's read on Mac wrong is a great case against her. I think town easily say stuff like that, and I think she mentioned something about assuming Mac town anyway. I mean, if she's mafia, it probably is TMI, but I don't think it's impossible that she can say that as town. But her posts has been kind of weak and wishy-washy overall. I don't get any will to solve. The problem with Porscha is that if she's town, she is likely to become more obvious later on

Tommy is both PoE and just, he's here, but he's not contributing anything. And what he does post doesn't really give me a new town feel. It doesn't really give me anything tbh. The problem with Tommy is that if he flips and flips town, we're not really getting anywhere. But I think there's also a very decent chance he's just mafia here

In any case, would mostly like to hear more from both Tommy and Porscha

On the other hand, I feel like wolf!Dizzy would just commit here; wolf Dizzy KNOWS they're talking about two partners and they're deciding to bus anyway so might as well do that without talking about outs and extending olive branches

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:08 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:01 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:59 pm Achromatic isn't mafia. Nor is Dyslexicon.

But why. His words don’t impress me. I think he tried to distract from Tommy D1

Ah yes lets tie ourselves firmly to the sinking brick. That sounds like the decision making of a skilled mafioso.

I actually think he would. But it depends on Porscha. If Porscha w, Achro v

Did Dizzy vote Achro on day 3?

I did, which is kind of unfortunate. I even said as much at the time

Nanook voting Tommy, refusing to elaborate and then Tommy flipping mafia is kinda yikes
Probably sounds nonsensical to wolfread someone for voting a wolf but doing it like this is prime bus/distancing material
Does the same thing to Porscha on day 2

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:53 pm Sabi/sean/mac/axe all town

Wilgy still leaning town but its not the godread

Didn't see many people townreading axe on day 2 so far so Nanook doing so gives him a reason to make that kill as mafia

I don't see me as extending any olive branches tbh, I just don't express myself as very confident. I did have Tommy and Porscha both in the bottom of my PoE after getting caught up the first time around. I pointed out how the game felt like it was either really easy or really hard. I've had this feeling before

It's worth noting that neither Tommy nor Porscha had even a speck of thread influence so whoever is the third wolf benefits a lot from bussing them
There's no powerwolfing to be done when these are your partners (no offense)

I've also noticed that there was no significant resistance to either Tommy or Porscha and I didn't find anybody really defending them in their ISOs other than the mild thing from Dizzy I posted above so yeah

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:18 pm [VOTE: Achro] aubergine

This is how I see this going. Achro will write words and not get chopped today, as I will have to go to bed at some point and not be here to not be able to get him chopped anyway. Instead Porscha is chopped, flips v, I argue with Achro all of next day about me lining up mischops and whatever else, I'm eventually chopped, and then I'll get spoiled in the graveyard and have feelings about the game.

This is a really good post if written by a wolf

I'm reading Dizzy's posting about Achro and Porscha later into day 2 and I struggle to see this as coming from a wolf
The turnarounds feel very organic

Hey Dizzy why are Wilgy and Nook off the table when based on my solving today these are the only two possible wolves and one is shielding the other making the vote very clear

Or at least you had them as off the table yesterday

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:53 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:57 am tbh at the time it seemed like a panicked reaction at missing the doc and also showed them as the primary candidate likely to not have shot Rondo due to simply not believing him or knowing

I thought it lined up well with their "nanook is town, just trust me" moments the day before

Usually that comes when I find something micro to TR dizzy on and he realizes it and locks me town in turn, the fact he did it without me doing my bit made me kinda ??? but doing it for a doc read there makes a lot of sense imo?

Idk I guess ill reread it later if I have to

was unaware of these thots

@Dyslexicon you can go along way to surviving here by explaining where you think nook softed doc

I already did, but his first two posts at the beginning of D2:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:15 pm Nice

Mac lock town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:12 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:09 pm Nanook trying would he neat too

I did my job

Particularly that second one. I was wrong, but I thought Nook was doc after this

I find this strongly believable so I don't even think it's Dizzy anymore

Mac - obvious villager
Seanzie - obvious villager, Porscha spew looks good for him as well
Dizzy - looks fairly good off treatment of Porscha/Tommy and posting in relation to Porscha and Achromatic on day 2 felt very organic, also believable doc read on Nanook given the reasoning presented

Vivax - not necessarily obvious villager but looks very good from Porscha and posting looks solid overall
lucy - treatment of Tommy, posts about Tommy and Porscha early into day 1 that look unaligned to me, particularly the interaction with Achro about Tommy

Wilgy - not much going for him other than the Nanook shield and the fact he didn't even try to bus really, gut tells me he's a villager though but I can't reasonably place him higher at the moment

Nanook - my preferred vote for today, nothing clears him, votes on Tommy and Porscha look like bus votes, was one of the only people townreading Axe day 2 giving him a reason to kill Axe night 2

I'm quite convinced this is game-winning

Ehh... the more I think about Nanook's Wilgy shield the more it makes me think Nanook is wolf. I've seen scum!Nanook do similarish things like town!Axe before, hard shielding and pocketing them, which is good strategy since bringing a LHF who is pocketed into late game gives you easy options (either flip on them to get a miselim or use their pocket to get a townie's vote on your side).

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Would like to see if Nanook steers away from the Vulgard trajectory here before making up my mind

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:57 am Speaking of which @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME how many times has NaA caught you?

Here? Once, I think, not really sure tbh

More on 451 back in the day

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:53 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:57 am tbh at the time it seemed like a panicked reaction at missing the doc and also showed them as the primary candidate likely to not have shot Rondo due to simply not believing him or knowing

I thought it lined up well with their "nanook is town, just trust me" moments the day before

Usually that comes when I find something micro to TR dizzy on and he realizes it and locks me town in turn, the fact he did it without me doing my bit made me kinda ??? but doing it for a doc read there makes a lot of sense imo?

Idk I guess ill reread it later if I have to

was unaware of these thots

@Dyslexicon you can go along way to surviving here by explaining where you think nook softed doc

I already did, but his first two posts at the beginning of D2:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:15 pm Nice

Mac lock town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:12 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:09 pm Nanook trying would he neat too

I did my job

Particularly that second one. I was wrong, but I thought Nook was doc after this

Did Rondo respond to this with suspicion of Nook at all?

Lulz

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:50 am Would like to see if Nanook steers away from the Vulgard trajectory here before making up my mind

Not currently planning to

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:01 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:50 am Would like to see if Nanook steers away from the Vulgard trajectory here before making up my mind

Not currently planning to

On behalf of, the first mate would like to point out that getting hung up on stupid sexy icebergs has potentially disastrous consequences

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:26 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:01 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:50 am Would like to see if Nanook steers away from the Vulgard trajectory here before making up my mind

Not currently planning to

On behalf of, the first mate would like to point out that getting hung up on stupid sexy icebergs has potentially disastrous consequences

Unlikely to change my vote because you're threatening to vote me for it lol