The Syndicate

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:22 pm**

could someone, not Gavin explain to me what Gavial wanted me to do or not do dealing with Jack?

because I reread all of that, more then once too, might I add, like I promised. and I got 0 clue.

supposedly it will either "clear" me or it will paint me as the scum i am.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:22 pm**

Gavial*

not Gavin

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:24 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:11 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:09 pm Kyle is pure. I feel like I shouldn't be townreading Kyle as hard as I am right now bc he's "hard to read" but he's a good boy here
why do you think i'm 'hard to read'? have we played before

Someone said it in the past. I don't know who. And they were wrong. You are my spirit animal.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:25 pm**

Daisy I will.atyack falcon at t later day. Right now I'm happy. Everything is okay

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:27 pm**

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:25 pm Daisy I will.atyack falcon at t later day. Right now I'm happy. Everything is okay

oh okay. I see.

ping me when this occurs.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:30 pm**

FYI, never isoed nacho. probably should but don't feel like it. I feel lazy and unproductive. nacho is in the null pile, incase anyone is wondering.

I miss @lost monkey

but I miss @Marmot moar

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:34 pm**

okay, gonna go eat dinner and put together my new lego kit. bbl

ping me if you need me. ping me if Marmot shows up.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:35 pm**

Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:24 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:11 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:09 pm Kyle is pure. I feel like I shouldn't be townreading Kyle as hard as I am right now bc he's "hard to read" but he's a good boy here
why do you think i'm 'hard to read'? have we played before
Someone said it in the past. I don't know who. And they were wrong. You are my spirit animal.

Mac. Mac said it

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:38 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:35 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:24 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:11 pm
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:09 pm Kyle is pure. I feel like I shouldn't be townreading Kyle as hard as I am right now bc he's "hard to read" but he's a good boy here
why do you think i'm 'hard to read'? have we played before
Someone said it in the past. I don't know who. And they were wrong. You are my spirit animal.
Mac. Mac said it

I'm not sure what to make of that, but I think it was hilarious.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:51 pm**

@Long Con
Are you suffering with a new symptom?
Because like you are currently voting the dumbest vote RN considering I also have a Tracker and Watcher ability that has been recharged.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:52 pm**

Well I use my track tonight and watcher the next night I think.
Unless I’m able to use my watcher then I might do that instead I’m not sure.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:52 pm**

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:12 pm Hey @Kylemii what are your thoughts on the current wagons? What are your thoughts on nacho?

i have no thoughts on nacho, my pre macdougall flip reads on falcon and tim were possibly bad and possibly good respectively, but i plan to do an iso thing before deciding

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:53 pm**

there was something early on w/r/t falcon that i don't remember that irked my buttons, tim is more of a soul read.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:54 pm**

@Long Con
Mac flipping Scum.
Who looks the most Town from it?

Don’t lie!

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:55 pm**

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:34 pm okay, gonna go eat dinner and put together my new lego kit. bbl

ping me if you need me. ping me if Marmot shows up.

yo what's the lego kit

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:57 pm**

nacho has an anime avatar and has attempted to pocket me basically 100s of times already so for those reasons alone they should be in jail

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 8:57 pm**

pokemon is not anime

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 9:06 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:23 pm Idk who I wanna yeet but if I did, it would probably be Tim.

Made
Scotty
Daisy
Marmot
Vul
Tony
Gavil
LC
Kyle
Radishes
Falcon
Nacho
Monkey
Tim

I hate this list.
list in a particular ordwer?

Alphabetical

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 9:12 pm**

Ade, M.
Biscotty
CloudyDaisy
Darmot
E-Vulgard
Friggin' Tony
Gavil
Hong Con
Kyle
Ladishes
Malcon in the Middle
Nacho
Onkey
Tim

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 9:30 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:12 pm Ade, M.
Biscotty
CloudyDaisy
Darmot
E-Vulgard
Friggin' Tony
Gavil
Hong Con
Kyle
Ladishes
Malcon in the Middle
Nacho
Onkey
Tim

I like this game

MinuteMade
Scotty
HazyCloud
Beaver
Vulcan
Kirk Lazarus
Henry Gavail
Extra Long Condom
KyleWii Nunchuck
Raditz
Joe Flacco
Maybedaddy
Caesar the Ape
Left Bower
Tim

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 9:33 pm**

you've somehow made it not alphabetical and all of a sudden i'm in a different movie

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 10:05 pm**

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:51 pm @Long Con
Are you suffering with a new symptom?
Because like you are currently voting the dumbest vote RN considering I also have a Tracker and Watcher ability that has been recharged.

Are you going to do something towny with them soon?

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:54 pm @Long Con
Mac flipping Scum.
Who looks the most Town from it?

Don’t lie!

I don't know. Mac was heavily into being chaotic.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 10:23 pm**

Long Con = Extra Long Condom???

Wow, I picked the wrong time to walk into the thread.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 10:25 pm**

If you'd asked me yesterday, I'd have said that falcon and tim are both town. Now they're both wagons. What changed? InterMactions?

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 10:28 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:25 pm If you'd asked me yesterday, I'd have said that falcon and tim are both town. Now they're both wagons. What changed? InterMactions?

I think the Timfoil just reached critical mass. Three days, no pelts...that starts becoming an issue.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 10:29 pm**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:25 pm If you'd asked me yesterday, I'd have said that falcon and tim are both town. Now they're both wagons. What changed? InterMactions?
I think the Timfoil just reached critical mass. Three days, no pelts...that starts becoming an issue.

Is falcon a wolf, or is it a self-prez vote?:

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 10:36 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:29 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:25 pm If you'd asked me yesterday, I'd have said that falcon and tim are both town. Now they're both wagons. What changed? InterMactions?
I think the Timfoil just reached critical mass. Three days, no pelts...that starts becoming an issue.
Is falcon a wolf, or is it a self-prez vote?:

I sheeped Vulgard before anyone voted me (I think...maybe Jack).

I leaned Falcon town day one and had to really root around to remember why...and it wasn't great. My reads this game overall appear not great, and Vulgard...fresh eyes, at least had reasons, came to a fairly narrow POE. <shrug> Seemed a good move.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 10:45 pm**

Do you remember why you gave Mac a townread, tim? I'm going through your ISO, I see a number of exchanges with Mac, some on topic, some not, but the only read or moment I found where you talk about him was in your massive read list on Day 2.

Did you at any point after that reconsider that read?

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 10:47 pm**

I don't wanna read Mac's 500 posts, that's way too much. Has someone else done that already?

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 10:52 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:45 pm Do you remember why you gave Mac a townread, tim? I'm going through your ISO, I see a number of exchanges with Mac, some on topic, some not, but the only read or moment I found where you talk about him was in your massive read list on Day 2.

Did you at any point after that reconsider that read?

Not soon enough to matter. My assessment of his day three would have gotten him pushed today, but someone beat me to him. Obviously that's easy to dismiss, but I am looking forward to talking to whoever shot him and finding out if they saw the same things.

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 11:16 pm**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:45 pm Do you remember why you gave Mac a townread, tim? I'm going through your ISO, I see a number of exchanges with Mac, some on topic, some not, but the only read or moment I found where you talk about him was in your massive read list on Day 2.

Did you at any point after that reconsider that read?
Not soon enough to matter. My assessment of his day three would have gotten him pushed today, but someone beat me to him. Obviously that's easy to dismiss, but I am looking forward to talking to whoever shot him and finding out if they saw the same things.

Dismissed!

Fwiw, I didn't think Mac gave a shit which wagon was getting voted Day 3. Mog was obviously town. I know I'm town. Mac's interactions with Gavial spew him not mafia. I do think it's possible Mac really thought that Gav is the 3P (I think it's a reasonable theory we should still watch for).

Posted: **Fri May 21, 2021 11:56 pm**

Where is Gavial spewed by Mac??

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 12:05 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:56 pm Where is Gavial spewed by Mac??

Well, Mac did look at Marmot Mogh wagons and say "let's chop Gavial!" I'd generally agree that spews Gavial as not mafia.

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 12:23 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:45 pm Do you remember why you gave Mac a townread, tim? I'm going through your ISO, I see a number of exchanges with Mac, some on topic, some not, but the only read or moment I found where you talk about him was in your massive read list on Day 2.

Did you at any point after that reconsider that read?
Not soon enough to matter. My assessment of his day three would have gotten him pushed today, but someone beat me to him. Obviously that's easy to dismiss, but I am looking forward to talking to whoever shot him and finding out if they saw the same things.

Hearsay once again from the thoughts in your head- we just gotta trust that that’s what happened tho

Tis easy to dismiss indeed

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 12:24 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:05 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:56 pm Where is Gavial spewed by Mac??
Well, Mac did look at Marmot Mogh wagons and say "let's chop Gavial!" I'd generally agree that spews Gavial as not mafia.

Yeah, sure... maybe if it, you know... had happened.

But it didn't, did it?

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 12:25 am**

To be clear, I never stopped thinking marmot was scummy, it’s now with Mac flipping he looks more towny

Ya dig?

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 12:47 am**

To be clear, I voted Marmot earlier and got talked out of it...but on some level if Mac came and and Marmot is a wolf and they said "Mogh wagon is not looking like a winner..." then trying Gavial would be something to do, and then when it didn't work pushing the snapback onto Mogh instead of Marmot could be a thing. Without accurate vote movement tracking I dunno.

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 12:52 am**

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:23 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:45 pm Do you remember why you gave Mac a townread, tim? I'm going through your ISO, I see a number of exchanges with Mac, some on topic, some not, but the only read or moment I found where you talk about him was in your massive read list on Day 2.

Did you at any point after that reconsider that read?
Not soon enough to matter. My assessment of his day three would have gotten him pushed today, but someone beat me to him. Obviously that's easy to dismiss, but I am looking forward to talking to whoever shot him and finding out if they saw the same things.
Hearsay once again from the thoughts in your head- we just gotta trust that that’s what happened tho

Tis easy to dismiss indeed

Tis easy to dismiss indeed, which is why I said it was obviously easy to dismiss.

I understand I haven't done anything big time town. I didn't kill Mac...but no one else did either as far as that goes. I generally don't do anything big except kill wolves, so here we are. But I certainly haven't done anything wolfy either. I never made a play that saved a wolf. I have done the best I can within the limits of my bad reads in a game that has not gone great for ANY town.

If ya insist on killing me for it, that's the breaks...but every town that stays alive when I die owes me the win so y'all best plan on getting better somehow.

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 1:10 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:47 am To be clear, I voted Marmot earlier and got talked out of it...but on some level if Mac came and and Marmot is a wolf and they said "Mogh wagon is not looking like a winner..." then trying Gavial would be something to do, and then when it didn't work pushing the snapback onto Mogh instead of Marmot could be a thing. Without accurate vote movement tracking I dunno.

Is your progression of not voting for marmot today because you came in pushing him and now that most of the town isn’t taking the bait, you’ve moved on to the next possible ML?

And we have accurate vote movement based on votes in thread. I can review EoD 3 again, but I quickly read the last 5 pages of eod in quick succession when I came back and it sure seemed like Mac and the other “town core” ready and willing to flit onto any of the top wagons. Mac didn’t seem to really care

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 1:13 am**

I don't want to kill you, Tim. I am ride or die that either you pocketed me with a town read very early on, and stuck with it, or you're just town and believe the truth.

You really have never wavered on my alignment, have you?

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 1:18 am**

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:52 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:23 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:45 pm Do you remember why you gave Mac a townread, tim? I'm going through your ISO, I see a number of exchanges with Mac, some on topic, some not, but the only read or moment I found where you talk about him was in your massive read list on Day 2.

Did you at any point after that reconsider that read?
Not soon enough to matter. My assessment of his day three would have gotten him pushed today, but someone beat me to him. Obviously that's easy to dismiss, but I am looking forward to talking to whoever shot him and finding out if they saw the same things.
Hearsay once again from the thoughts in your head- we just gotta trust that that’s what happened tho

Tis easy to dismiss indeed
Tis easy to dismiss indeed, which is why I said it was obviously easy to dismiss.

I understand I haven't done anything big time town. I didn't kill Mac...but no one else did either as far as that goes. I generally don't do anything big except kill wolves, so here we are. But I certainly haven't done anything wolfy either. I never made a play that saved a wolf. I have done the best I can within the limits of my bad reads in a game that has not gone great for ANY town.

If ya insist on killing me for it, that's the breaks...but every town that stays alive when I die owes me the win so y'all best plan on getting better somehow.

I’m probably being unfair in my tunneling here, and when I get like this I have no earthly idea what I would do or how I would respond to me.
I agree you haven’t done anything overtly wolfy.
I agree you probably didn’t kill Mac.
I ALSO agree that you may not have made a play to save a wolf.

That last point is the point of contention, and why these top wagons the past 3 days have been...stale. Because the wolves haven’t cared. Ergo, marmot is not on my radar today.

Mac needed a right hand man- it could be that he tried to pocket me and join in his buffoonery. But others did...if I close my eyes and try to play Pin the Tail on the Wolf, you’re standing right in front of me.

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 1:19 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:13 am I don't want to kill you, Tim. I am ride or die that either you pocketed me with a town read very early on, and stuck with it, or you're just town and believe the truth.

You really have never wavered on my alignment, have you?

“Because if you did...If you brought dishonor to me on this, the day of my daughter’s wedding...well...”

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 1:23 am**

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:19 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:13 am I don't want to kill you, Tim. I am ride or die that either you pocketed me with a town read very early on, and stuck with it, or you're just town and believe the truth.

You really have never wavered on my alignment, have you?
“Because if you did...If you brought dishonor to me on this, the day of my daughter’s wedding...well...”

I wish I had a Godfather role right now so that could be the most epic slip.

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 1:25 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:23 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:19 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:13 am I don't want to kill you, Tim. I am ride or die that either you pocketed me with a town read very early on, and stuck with it, or you're just town and believe the truth.

You really have never wavered on my alignment, have you?
“Because if you did...If you brought dishonor to me on this, the day of my daughter’s wedding...well...”
I wish I had a Godfather role right now so that could be the most epic slip.

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 1:39 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:13 am I don't want to kill you, Tim. I am ride or die that either you pocketed me with a town read very early on, and stuck with it, or you're just town and believe the truth.

You really have never wavered on my alignment, have you?

No I never have. I wanted to kill you for the fake check because I was annoyed, not because I thought you were wolfing.

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 1:42 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:47 pm I don't wanna read Mac's 500 posts, that's way too much. Has someone else done that already?

i think about it and then cry

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 1:43 am**

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:18 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:52 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:23 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:52 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 10:45 pm Do you remember why you gave Mac a townread, tim? I'm going through your ISO, I see a number of exchanges with Mac, some on topic, some not, but the only read or moment I found where you talk about him was in your massive read list on Day 2.

Did you at any point after that reconsider that read?
Not soon enough to matter. My assessment of his day three would have gotten him pushed today, but someone beat me to him. Obviously that's easy to dismiss, but I am looking forward to talking to whoever shot him and finding out if they saw the same things.
Hearsay once again from the thoughts in your head- we just gotta trust that that’s what happened tho

Tis easy to dismiss indeed
Tis easy to dismiss indeed, which is why I said it was obviously easy to dismiss.

I understand I haven't done anything big time town. I didn't kill Mac...but no one else did either as far as that goes. I generally don't do anything big except kill wolves, so here we are. But I certainly haven't done anything wolfy either. I never made a play that saved a wolf. I have done the best I can within the limits of my bad reads in a game that has not gone great for ANY town.

If ya insist on killing me for it, that's the breaks...but every town that stays alive when I die owes me the win so y'all best plan on getting better somehow.
I’m probably being unfair in my tunneling here, and when I get like this I have no earthly idea what I would do or how I would respond to me.
I agree you haven’t done anything overtly wolfy.
I agree you probably didn’t kill Mac.
I ALSO agree that you may not have made a play to save a wolf.

That last point is the point of contention, and why these top wagons the past 3 days have been...stale. Because the wolves haven’t cared. Ergo, marmot is not on my radar today.

Mac needed a right hand man- it could be that he tried to pocket me and join in his buffoonery. But others did...if I close my eyes and try to play Pin the Tail on the Wolf, you’re standing right in front of me.

Yeah I am and that's fine. Just remember, when it came to "joining in Mac's buffoonery" you sheeped him onto me, I didn't sheep him onto you.

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 2:38 am**

@Scotty
What about Jack?
Think he’s scum since Mac briefly calls him out but doesn’t really bother to take it further.

Legit Mac said -) Jack maybe scum

But doesn’t even try to do anything else further like he didn’t really want that slot to be pressured.

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 2:50 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:38 am @Scotty
What about Jack?
Think he’s scum since Mac briefly calls him out but doesn’t really bother to take it further.

Legit Mac said -) Jack maybe scum

But doesn’t even try to do anything else further like he didn’t really want that slot to be pressured.

I’ll take a look at his ISO again, but from my initial read through I didn’t see any sticking points between the two of them that stood out. Mac threw a lot of shit against the wall. A lot of WIFOMy shit

Posted: **Sat May 22, 2021 2:50 am**

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:38 am @Scotty
What about Jack?
Think he’s scum since Mac briefly calls him out but doesn’t really bother to take it further.

Legit Mac said -) Jack maybe scum

But doesn’t even try to do anything else further like he didn’t really want that slot to be pressured.

Gav you thought this before

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