The Syndicate

So I'm gonna assume whomever Bearo is, he knows Epi fairly well so I think we can discount the new people there. But, at this point we should have a mafia player to hunt right?

Also quick pitch what if there isn't any mafia players at all and the only non town person is Bearo

Also ALso Jack saying he talked to Bearo and dropping that info makes me think again he's Bearo.

Or wants to be recruited/was since he said he wanted to be so we should take him out maybe?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:35 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:22 pm [VOTE: DDL ] aubergine

nvm, don't ask.

[Asks]

[answers]

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm Also quick pitch what if there isn't any mafia players at all and the only non town person is Bearo

Lol read the setup, Sig.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:38 pm Also ALso Jack saying he talked to Bearo and dropping that info makes me think again he's Bearo.

Or wants to be recruited/was since he said he wanted to be so we should take him out maybe?

Aha! But the only player who can’t message Monokuma is Monokuma. Therefore, I can’t be him. Checkmate!

Again, what is the advantage to lynching a townie who hasn’t been recruited? Even if I wanted to be recruited and the bear knew who I was and wanted to recruit me (all of which are pretty big ifs), lynching me before I’m recruited just means the bear will recruit someone else so lynching me is the same as lynching any other townie.

If you think I’ll be recruited later, it stands to reason you should fail to lynch me later instead of failing to lynch me today.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm So I'm gonna assume whomever Bearo is, he knows Epi fairly well so I think we can discount the new people there. But, at this point we should have a mafia player to hunt right?

Since there was a night kill last night I belive there are Two mafia currenty on top of Monokuma.

Long Con has attempted a derp clear so many times that I actually think he's hunting for derp clears more than hunting for the bear.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:48 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm So I'm gonna assume whomever Bearo is, he knows Epi fairly well so I think we can discount the new people there. But, at this point we should have a mafia player to hunt right?

Since there was a night kill last night I belive there are Two mafia currenty on top of Monokuma.

It’s D2. I’m assuming the new recruit can immediately kill.

[VOTE: Long Con ] aubergine

let's go

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:37 pm So I'm gonna assume whomever Bearo is, he knows Epi fairly well so I think we can discount the new people there. But, at this point we should have a mafia player to hunt right?

This is maybe a part of the calculation; this got discussed in the thread to some point. It’s someone who participated in that discussion.

The case is literally "he predicted that the mafia attack the same night as recruiting when there was no evidence to prove that, and he didn't even consider the possibility of an already recruited mafia person thing"

I also didn't like his town read on TL for the post where he says "don't reveal your role, there's a soup kill"

I guess I expect scum more often than not to give reads that are based on mechanical talk, because they can much more easily wiggle out of that read at some point, while still looking like they're contributing something.

I think that's the best I have in my pocket. Not another ace in the sleeve.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:43 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:42 am I’m reasonably certain I incorrectly “cleared” Monokuma yesterday. I think our bear is DDL.

Explain if you may

I sent a message to Monokuma asking that he recruit a specific role and implied it was mine.) Is it? Probably not )

Monokuma did not attempt to soupkill me and said they weren’t going to recruit me yet, implying they believed me and did not feel threatened by me. Additionally, they said something that kinda implied they knew me prior to this game.

So Monokuma is almost certainly not Sloonei or Fayt or Coo. Probably not Dom either.

Additionally, though I’m not great at this kind of thing, the message sounded like DDL. DDL was one of my weaker clears from yesterday.

DDL is on my short list. Not many other people are. I’m gonna get on a computer and do the rest of the work here.

I also PMed the bear. Someone asked. I said that in the thread. I told him to recruit me. I didn’t give him a role. He didn’t respond to me the second time I PMed him; maybe he wised up.

Hi just posting this prodge

Also, Long Con got corrected on the vote thing ever since the start and he kept pushing that angle in a way that I feel like is just plain faked. There's no way you don't re-read anything / what the host posts, especially when Monokuma's role is like 6 lines and that's without secret roles.

I just think he's latching on every opportunity to fake derp clear himself more than he's engaged with actual hunting.

Is this now a normal mafia game or still a huge shoot-in-the-dark mess?

Another thing, I thought that Jack slipped tagging me and TSP because, even though we never mentioned we PM'd the bear, he tagged us and said "@tedexter @tsp and anyone that pm'd the bear"

and I took that as a massive slip, because obviously, only the bear knows who pm'd him.

that's why I asked TSP if he pm'd the bear.

but it could be just a really weird coincidence, because I said that I had info and TSP was gonna provide a case of some sort. but the way he mentioned us and then he immediately types after our names "and anyone else who pm'd the bear..."

is really incriminating.

So, I'm at like bear in Jack - Long Con

I actually wanna vote Jack for that, I changed my mind.

It makes no sense associating us with other people like "and anyone else who pm'd the bear".

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:08 pm Another thing, I thought that Jack slipped tagging me and TSP because, even though we never mentioned we PM'd the bear, he tagged us and said "@tedexter @tsp and anyone that pm'd the bear"

and I took that as a massive slip, because obviously, only the bear knows who pm'd him.

that's why I asked TSP if he pm'd the bear.

but it could be just a really weird coincidence, because I said that I had info and TSP was gonna provide a case of some sort. but the way he mentioned us and then he immediately types after our names "and anyone else who pm'd the bear..."

is really incriminating.

So, I'm at like bear in Jack - Long Con

ooh
but also I had already said I had PMed the bear

I'm weirdly clearing Jack cause
I want to

Just realized I can't clear Okosan because of the posts because I don't know what they talk like when they're not a bear

*bird

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:08 pm Another thing, I thought that Jack slipped tagging me and TSP because, even though we never mentioned we PM'd the bear, he tagged us and said "@tedexter @tsp and anyone that pm'd the bear"

and I took that as a massive slip, because obviously, only the bear knows who pm'd him.

that's why I asked TSP if he pm'd the bear.

but it could be just a really weird coincidence, because I said that I had info and TSP was gonna provide a case of some sort. but the way he mentioned us and then he immediately types after our names "and anyone else who pm'd the bear..."

is really incriminating.

So, I'm at like bear in Jack - Long Con

Oooooor you and TSP were both like “I have something but Idk if I’ll share it/I’ll share it tomorrow” so I wanted ya’ll to just talk about what you had.

Linki: Lol

But I'm fine sitting on Long Con for now, it could've been a really unfortunate, circumstantial thing. As in, I can definitely see why he'd separate us from the other peeps, but then tying us to the people that pm'd bear by saying "and anyone else who pm'd the bear" heavily implies we've also done so. and it turned out to be true.

That's what Jack has going against him at the moment and probably the most solid thing we can go on.

I think Jack - Long Con wagons would be great here, but that's if you wish to follow my aid.

Imagine getting a message from Monokuma like

Coo! (I’ll recruit you if you tell me you’re role.)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:11 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:08 pm Another thing, I thought that Jack slipped tagging me and TSP because, even though we never mentioned we PM'd the bear, he tagged us and said "@tedexter @tsp and anyone that pm'd the bear"

and I took that as a massive slip, because obviously, only the bear knows who pm'd him.

that's why I asked TSP if he pm'd the bear.

but it could be just a really weird coincidence, because I said that I had info and TSP was gonna provide a case of some sort. but the way he mentioned us and then he immediately types after our names "and anyone else who pm'd the bear..."

is really incriminating.

So, I'm at like bear in Jack - Long Con

ooh
but also I had already said I had PMed the bear

I'm weirdly clearing Jack cause
I want to

yeah but i doubt a town would be paying attention to that sort

Jack I haven't really read the thread do you have a reason to clear LC

So just off memory, I think scum is in the set

LC
Sloonei
DDL
Sig???

By the way, Long Con was wrong, Epi voters can't be cleared as not monokuma because

1) there's leon
2) there's tie dude
3) monokuma can't vote ONLY IF HE IS FOUND. So his vote still counts.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:13 pm Imagine getting a message from Monokuma like

Coo! (I’ll recruit you if you tell me you’re role.)

Yasuwo Fukuyo

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:14 pm Jack I haven't really read the thread do you have a reason to clear LC

He’s derped all over every Monokuma related mechanic. If he’s Monokuma, he’d have to have come into the game planning to do exactly that. I’ve wolfed with LC a few times. He’s a good coordinator but doesn’t start with master plans like say Eva or Rokk.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:17 pm By the way, Long Con was wrong, Epi voters can't be cleared as not monokuma because

1) there's leon
2) there's tie dude
3) monokuma can't vote ONLY IF HE IS FOUND. So his vote still counts.

I don't think I need more reasons to clear Tex Watson here but 3 is wrong.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:19 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:14 pm Jack I haven't really read the thread do you have a reason to clear LC

He’s derped all over every Monokuma related mechanic. If he’s Monokuma, he’d have to have come into the game planning to do exactly that. I’ve wolfed with LC a few times. He’s a good coordinator but doesn’t start with master plans like say Eva or Rokk.

Yeah okay.
I think I agree with this analysis.

Clearing Sloonei because Sloonei pushed you earlier is weak though.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:02 pm The case is literally "he predicted that the mafia attack the same night as recruiting when there was no evidence to prove that, and he didn't even consider the possibility of an already recruited mafia person thing"

I also didn't like his town read on TL for the post where he says "don't reveal your role, there's a soup kill"

I guess I expect scum more often than not to give reads that are based on mechanical talk, because they can much more easily wiggle out of that read at some point, while still looking like they're contributing something.

I think that's the best I have in my pocket. Not another ace in the sleeve.

To expound, that perspective only comes from Monokuma there. He was asking questions regarding the night kill because he didn't exactly know either, so it seems reasonable to ask.

Monokuma obviously knows that there aren't any mafia, he'd think so, because of the fact he is told that he converts them. So, Monokuma would have this exact outlook and reach that exact conclusion "mafia will attack once recruited" instead of actually thinking "wait, but what if there's already a mafia in the game that carries out the kill? isn't that a more likelier possibility?"

that post just takes a stance on a pre-set thought and not really considering anything else. A sith deals in absolutes is what we often say.

I hope you understood a little something about what I mean here, it's not *that* big of a deal, but honestly, this is the only thing that we can chase after Monokuma right now.

Think it's the most reasonable thing going for us / best option available.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:20 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:17 pm By the way, Long Con was wrong, Epi voters can't be cleared as not monokuma because

1) there's leon
2) there's tie dude
3) monokuma can't vote ONLY IF HE IS FOUND. So his vote still counts.

I don't think I need more reasons to clear Tex Watson here but 3 is wrong.

what do you mean

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:17 pm By the way, Long Con was wrong, Epi voters can't be cleared as not monokuma because

1) there's leon
2) there's tie dude
3) monokuma can't vote ONLY IF HE IS FOUND. So his vote still counts.

1) What I said yesterday
2) What I said yesterday
3) Nah, it’s in the rules (not the setup) that his vote doesn’t count

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:49 pm [VOTE: Dom] aubergine

This makes me want to light clear DDL. He puts himself under presumed extra scrutiny for being on a major wagon.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:21 pm Clearing Sloonei because Sloonei pushed you earlier is weak though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:25 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:49 pm [VOTE: Dom] aubergine

This makes me want to light clear DDL. He puts himself under presumed extra scrutiny for being on a major wagon.

Denied. That was the second Dom vote.

It doesn't work. It assumes the bear believed you. Sloonei almost never believes you, no matter what the message says. Simple as that.

So did the bear's vote not count yesterday, supposing he was voting Epi?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:28 pm It doesn't work. It assumes the bear believed you. Sloonei almost never believes you, no matter what the message says. Simple as that.

The bear seemed to believe me.

I said “Recruit *character name* ” and Monokuma said he wouldn’t recruit me yet.

So maybe I’m a sucker but if the bear believed me, Sloonei isn’t the bear.

Okosan hasn't posted since Day 2 began

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:29 pm So did the bear's vote not count yesterday, supposing he was voting Epi?

Yeah. Non secrets have Leon and Monokuma as the only vote modifiers yesterday. Today, we also have Aoi and Byakuya. Assuming those roles are all in play.

I'm not a fan of no flip mafia but it does remind me of one of my favorite games of all time so allow me to reminisce:

3 vanilla scum
1 cop
1 doctor
8-10ish townies

Basic setup. I roll cop and night 1 red peek someone. So I push that case day 2. He claims cop and that he has town confirmed X (another scum member). OK. Whatever. He was a better player than me, I get lynched. Scum kills him night 2 and the person who got "town confirmed" coasts out the rest of the game.

Back in the good ol days.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:42 pm I'm not a fan of no flip mafia but it does remind me of one of my favorite games of all time so allow me to reminisce:

3 vanilla scum
1 cop
1 doctor
8-10ish townies

Basic setup. I roll cop and night 1 red peek someone. So I push that case day 2. He claims cop and that he has town confirmed X (another scum member). OK. Whatever. He was a better player than me, I get lynched. Scum kills him night 2 and the person who got "town confirmed" coasts out the rest of the game.

Back in the good ol days.

Now that’s a big brain mafia play.

[VOTE: DDL ] aubergine

meh

[VOTE: DDL ] aubergine for now.

Vote: Sloonei

In a game where the objective is at least partially to survive, I have no qualms saying that I would like to Lynch the player who's very good at lynching me. This is probably why people tell me I'm too honest when we play Diplomacy.

Me: "so yeah I think we should invade France, but just so you know if you support my movement into Paris I can dislodge your unit in Munich and that would be of greater strategic gain to me"
Germany: "so... I shouldn't help you?"
Me: "No you should but I would probably betray you almost immediately"

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:32 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:28 pm It doesn't work. It assumes the bear believed you. Sloonei almost never believes you, no matter what the message says. Simple as that.

The bear seemed to believe me.

I said “Recruit *character name* ” and Monokuma said he wouldn’t recruit me yet.

So maybe I’m a sucker but if the bear believed me, Sloonei isn’t the bear.

COOO! (Btw if anyone ever tells Monokuma their character name they 100% will never be recruited unless it's a really good role for him to have. It's infinitely better just to keep you alive and soup kill you in the future)