Assassin's Creed Mafia (OVER!)

[Dragomir]

Someone write an essay on Dragomir and Long Con for me plz. I've read little about these people nor engaged with them.

Also @Sloonei what made Leetic go from a strong town read to a scum read?

Just going down the list and checking off names. He's made a few posts that seem more intent on justifying suspicion rather than developing reads, if that makes sense. I can pull up examples if it becomes necessary.

Do it baby.

Holy shit you do this so much hahaha.

What have I done?

[MacDougall]

leetic "justifying suspicion rather than developing reads"

Spoiler: show

Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?

I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?

Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

That's cool. Are you in particular worried about me pocketing you? Just answer the question. It's not like it could hurt you to answer, right?

No, and any player who knows me will tell you that I'm not particularly easy to pocket. But why even ask me in the first place, this seems like a weird question to ask to someone who asked a question to you

I think I'm fine making a town core of Sloonei and Mikey for now. Perhaps my more confident town reads / the only ones I feel like I have some reason for.

By the way, full disclosure, I will be aiming for accuracy over stating reads for the sake of being town read for them, which, surprisingly, is what I was usually doing.

I don't know why you want to make a towncore this early in the game. Even ignoring that it's still too early to say for sure whether they're both town, at this point in the game everyone should be participating.

The activity comment felt out of place, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand, it wouldn't be an issue if, on the other hand, he knew what was going on or his scum buddy wasn't missing. Although that's reaching a bit. Or maybe not. After all, in what world would a scum care if two townies weren't put in the main thread. Kudos to the mod!

I don't really like this post or the post succeeding it. It seems to make the assumption that the two missing players are town, without even considering the possibility that either might not be. I mean, if you operate under the opposite assumption, then you can make the opposite point just as easily ("Scum would be much more concerned about the missing players because their scumbuddy might be missing!"). Overall, it's grasping at straws for a reason to suspect.

Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.

I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?

Speedchuck joining the wagon seems a bit opportunistic, he had one post that was sort of shading LC but wasn't too enthusiastic (that was a followup from a question by Drago) and then just voted. Judging by the response to your and Dragomir's posts about LC, no one is really defending them, which makes it seem an opportunistic wagon to join on.

@ts account never voted Sloonei through all of this.

Why not?

I do think this is an interesting point, though. Considering that there were already two votes on Sloonei at the time, he may have not wanted to appear too opportunistic. His constant tunneling that day was a waste of time especially for someone who wanted more interaction.

I'll stop there.

Unrelated thought: This list of reads feels arbitrary, and a couple of the reads fit the mold of this post's main premise.

I can see a lot of my civ play in what you're scumreading Leetic for.

[MacDougall]

Someone write an essay on Dragomir and Long Con for me plz. I've read little about these people nor engaged with them.

Also @Sloonei what made Leetic go from a strong town read to a scum read?

Just going down the list and checking off names. He's made a few posts that seem more intent on justifying suspicion rather than developing reads, if that makes sense. I can pull up examples if it becomes necessary.

Do it baby.

Holy shit you do this so much hahaha.

What have I done?

Just manifest when I say Dragomir.

[Sloonei]

leetic "justifying suspicion rather than developing reads"

Spoiler: show

Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?

I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?

Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

That's cool. Are you in particular worried about me pocketing you? Just answer the question. It's not like it could hurt you to answer, right?

No, and any player who knows me will tell you that I'm not particularly easy to pocket. But why even ask me in the first place, this seems like a weird question to ask to someone who asked a question to you

I think I'm fine making a town core of Sloonei and Mikey for now. Perhaps my more confident town reads / the only ones I feel like I have some reason for.

By the way, full disclosure, I will be aiming for accuracy over stating reads for the sake of being town read for them, which, surprisingly, is what I was usually doing.

I don't know why you want to make a towncore this early in the game. Even ignoring that it's still too early to say for sure whether they're both town, at this point in the game everyone should be participating.

The activity comment felt out of place, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand, it wouldn't be an issue if, on the other hand, he knew what was going on or his scum buddy wasn't missing. Although that's reaching a bit. Or maybe not. After all, in what world would a scum care if two townies weren't put in the main thread. Kudos to the mod!

I don't really like this post or the post succeeding it. It seems to make the assumption that the two missing players are town, without even considering the possibility that either might not be. I mean, if you operate under the opposite assumption, then you can make the opposite point just as easily ("Scum would be much more concerned about the missing players because their scumbuddy might be missing!"). Overall, it's grasping at straws for a reason to suspect.

Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.

I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?

Speedchuck joining the wagon seems a bit opportunistic, he had one post that was sort of shading LC but wasn't too enthusiastic (that was a followup from a question by Drago) and then just voted. Judging by the response to your and Dragomir's posts about LC, no one is really defending them, which makes it seem an opportunistic wagon to join on.

@ts account never voted Sloonei through all of this.

Why not?

I do think this is an interesting point, though. Considering that there were already two votes on Sloonei at the time, he may have not wanted to appear too opportunistic. His constant tunneling that day was a waste of time especially for someone who wanted more interaction.

I'll stop there.

Unrelated thought: This list of reads feels arbitrary, and a couple of the reads fit the mold of this post's main premise.

I can see a lot of my civ play in what you're scumreading Leetic for.

I wouldn't say I'm scum reading him.

[MacDougall]

leetic "justifying suspicion rather than developing reads"

Spoiler: show

Y'know, this post is a bit weird. Mikey is calling out Sloonei for setup speculation, yet when you look at the first paragraph, that's exactly what he's doing here

Care to explain?

I would like to know from you. Are you worried about me pocketing you?

Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

Mikey's behavior is weird, last game when he was town he wasn't going after the people doing setup speculation despite the fact that there was a lot going on. And what's with this business about pocketing, like of course I'm not going to discount the possibility of someone being scum just because they townread me. Now I'm voting Mikey for this reason.

That's cool. Are you in particular worried about me pocketing you? Just answer the question. It's not like it could hurt you to answer, right?

No, and any player who knows me will tell you that I'm not particularly easy to pocket. But why even ask me in the first place, this seems like a weird question to ask to someone who asked a question to you

I think I'm fine making a town core of Sloonei and Mikey for now. Perhaps my more confident town reads / the only ones I feel like I have some reason for.

By the way, full disclosure, I will be aiming for accuracy over stating reads for the sake of being town read for them, which, surprisingly, is what I was usually doing.

I don't know why you want to make a towncore this early in the game. Even ignoring that it's still too early to say for sure whether they're both town, at this point in the game everyone should be participating.

The activity comment felt out of place, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand, it wouldn't be an issue if, on the other hand, he knew what was going on or his scum buddy wasn't missing. Although that's reaching a bit. Or maybe not. After all, in what world would a scum care if two townies weren't put in the main thread. Kudos to the mod!

I don't really like this post or the post succeeding it. It seems to make the assumption that the two missing players are town, without even considering the possibility that either might not be. I mean, if you operate under the opposite assumption, then you can make the opposite point just as easily ("Scum would be much more concerned about the missing players because their scumbuddy might be missing!"). Overall, it's grasping at straws for a reason to suspect.

Has anyone actually tried to defend LC? I'm a bit wary of the growing LC wagon at the moment as D1 wagons with little resistance rarely land on scum.

I didn't even notice that he had votes. Why are you worried about the growth of his wagon? Do you have any particular thoughts on Drago or speedchuck regarding their votes?

Speedchuck joining the wagon seems a bit opportunistic, he had one post that was sort of shading LC but wasn't too enthusiastic (that was a followup from a question by Drago) and then just voted. Judging by the response to your and Dragomir's posts about LC, no one is really defending them, which makes it seem an opportunistic wagon to join on.

@ts account never voted Sloonei through all of this.

Why not?

I do think this is an interesting point, though. Considering that there were already two votes on Sloonei at the time, he may have not wanted to appear too opportunistic. His constant tunneling that day was a waste of time especially for someone who wanted more interaction.

I'll stop there.

Unrelated thought: This list of reads feels arbitrary, and a couple of the reads fit the mold of this post's main premise.

I can see a lot of my civ play in what you're scumreading Leetic for.

I wouldn't say I'm scum reading him.

Okay, scrutinising.

[Dragomir]

Despite the fact that his passion towards his LC read feels contrived and spawned from basically nowhere I feel kind of okay about Dragomir.

What makes it contrived and out of nowhere?

[MacDougall]

Sloonei can you list all the people who have been notably assertive about town reading you vs. those who have been suspecting you?

[MacDougall]

Despite the fact that his passion towards his LC read feels contrived and spawned from basically nowhere I feel kind of okay about Dragomir.

What makes it contrived and out of nowhere?

You naked voted him with no explanation. You then asked Sloonei why he voted for him and agreed with it. Pretty definitively out of nowhere champ.

[MacDougall]

If you want confirmation that Dragomir is town, he just attacked me for criticising his townie play lol.

[MacDougall]

Have a wall

I feel pretty good about the following names

Dragomir
Leetic
Sloonei
TS Account
Ted
TSP
Turnip Head

I feel kind of meh about

Epi
LC
Radishes

I feel ungood about

Funnygirl
Speedchuck

[Sloonei]

Sloonei can you list all the people who have been notably assertive about town reading you vs. those who have been suspecting you?

LC and leetic voted for me very early on but I would not say that either of them have sustained any suspicion against me. ts account is the only one who I think has been actively suspicious of me as the day has progressed. Turnip Head briefly mentioned me once or twice but I was unclear where that ended up or how serious the suspicion was.

Just about everyone else has expressed some degree of a town read on me. I don't specifically remember speedchuck or tony having anything to say about little old me.

Drago and funnygurl would be the two most "notably assertive" town reads. Both of them stood up to defend me at various points early on. I've voiced my concerns about funnygurl's handling of me already: she defended me against specific accusations but never provided any independent thoughts on me.

[MacDougall]

After reading her in more depth I kind of do actually like Funnygirl.

So that really leaves Speedchuck as a glaringly obvious candidate. Why hasn't he got 800 votes?

[MacDougall]

Sloonei can you list all the people who have been notably assertive about town reading you vs. those who have been suspecting you?

LC and leetic voted for me very early on but I would not say that either of them have sustained any suspicion against me. ts account is the only one who I think has been actively suspicious of me as the day has progressed. Turnip Head briefly mentioned me once or twice but I was unclear where that ended up or how serious the suspicion was.

Just about everyone else has expressed some degree of a town read on me. I don't specifically remember speedchuck or tony having anything to say about little old me.

Drago and funnygurl would be the two most "notably assertive" town reads. Both of them stood up to defend me at various points early on. I've voiced my concerns about funnygurl's handling of me already: she defended me against specific accusations but never provided any independent thoughts on me.

I think that there has definitely been a general pro Sloonei vibe so I'm inclined to see people suspecting you as town. The mafia would be avoiding fabricating cases on you in this thread state and if you are one, well naturally they're probably not grilling you hard. I'd say that if you are Mafia, Funnygirl might be. But if you are town I'd be inclined to near townlock TS Account based on what you are saying.

[MacDougall]

Have a wall

I feel pretty good about the following names

Dragomir
Sloonei
TS Account
Ted
TSP

I feel mixed or meh about

Funnygirl - Mixed
Epi - Meh
Leetic - Mixed
LC - Mixed
Turnip Head - Meh

I feel proper high level ungood about

Radishes
Speedchuck

I searched myself and have updated accordingly.

[Sloonei]

After reading her in more depth I kind of do actually like Funnygirl.

So that really leaves Speedchuck as a glaringly obvious candidate. Why hasn't he got 800 votes?

He looks exactly like he did a couple weeks ago when we were leaving him around as mislynch bait.

[MacDougall]

After reading her in more depth I kind of do actually like Funnygirl.

So that really leaves Speedchuck as a glaringly obvious candidate. Why hasn't he got 800 votes?

He looks exactly like he did a couple weeks ago when we were leaving him around as mislynch bait.

Lol I think he looks worse here.

[Sloonei]

Explain this sudden turn on funnygurl, mr mac

[Sloonei]

After reading her in more depth I kind of do actually like Funnygirl.

So that really leaves Speedchuck as a glaringly obvious candidate. Why hasn't he got 800 votes?

He looks exactly like he did a couple weeks ago when we were leaving him around as mislynch bait.

Lol I think he looks worse here.

why?

[MacDougall]

After reading her in more depth I kind of do actually like Funnygirl.

So that really leaves Speedchuck as a glaringly obvious candidate. Why hasn't he got 800 votes?

He looks exactly like he did a couple weeks ago when we were leaving him around as mislynch bait.

Lol I think he looks worse here.

why?

I don't have confirmation bias here

Explain this sudden turn on funnygurl, mr mac

I read her ISO and can see that at times she provides rather insightful analysis that I perceived to be authentic that I'd missed. There's a lot of fluff and silly posturing around it and my initial feelings were caused by only having read that stuff in my live reads.

[Sloonei]

My vote is still on Epi.

[Dragomir]

Despite the fact that his passion towards his LC read feels contrived and spawned from basically nowhere I feel kind of okay about Dragomir.

What makes it contrived and out of nowhere?

You naked voted him with no explanation. You then asked Sloonei why he voted for him and agreed with it. Pretty definitively out of nowhere champ.

Did you miss where Sloonei asked for my thoughts on him and I gave them?

[Dragomir]

If you want confirmation that Dragomir is town, he just attacked me for criticising his townie play lol.

Wait, why does this make me town?

[MacDougall]

If you want confirmation that Dragomir is town, he just attacked me for criticising his townie play lol.

Wait, why does this make me town?

Don't worry about it you'll confuse yourself into suspecting me.

Despite the fact that his passion towards his LC read feels contrived and spawned from basically nowhere I feel kind of okay about Dragomir.

What makes it contrived and out of nowhere?

You naked voted him with no explanation. You then asked Sloonei why he voted for him and agreed with it. Pretty definitively out of nowhere champ.

Did you miss where Sloonei asked for my thoughts on him and I gave them?

You mean after you naked voted him with no explanation?

[Dragomir]

Sloonei can you list all the people who have been notably assertive about town reading you vs. those who have been suspecting you?

LC and leetic voted for me very early on but I would not say that either of them have sustained any suspicion against me. ts account is the only one who I think has been actively suspicious of me as the day has progressed. Turnip Head briefly mentioned me once or twice but I was unclear where that ended up or how serious the suspicion was.

Just about everyone else has expressed some degree of a town read on me. I don't specifically remember speedchuck or tony having anything to say about little old me.

Drago and funnygurl would be the two most "notably assertive" town reads. Both of them stood up to defend me at various points early on. I've voiced my concerns about funnygurl's handling of me already: she defended me against specific accusations but never provided any independent thoughts on me.

I think that there has definitely been a general pro Sloonei vibe so I'm inclined to see people suspecting you as town. The mafia would be avoiding fabricating cases on you in this thread state and if you are one, well naturally they're probably not grilling you hard. I'd say that if you are Mafia, Funnygirl might be. But if you are town I'd be inclined to near townlock TS Account based on what you are saying.

This makes a lot of sense. I like it.

[Dragomir]

If you want confirmation that Dragomir is town, he just attacked me for criticising his townie play lol.

Wait, why does this make me town?

Don't worry about it you'll confuse yourself into suspecting me.

Despite the fact that his passion towards his LC read feels contrived and spawned from basically nowhere I feel kind of okay about Dragomir.

What makes it contrived and out of nowhere?

You naked voted him with no explanation. You then asked Sloonei why he voted for him and agreed with it. Pretty definitively out of nowhere champ.

Did you miss where Sloonei asked for my thoughts on him and I gave them?

You mean after you naked voted him with no explanation?

Yes.

[Dragomir]

Does it matter when I give the reason for why LC is scum as long as I do at some point? Do I need to have an reason alongside my vote so it isn't out of nowhere?

[Dragomir]

My vote is still on Epi.

Why is Epi bad? I think he's good.

[MacDougall]

Does it matter when I give the reason for why LC is scum as long as I do at some point? Do I need to have an reason alongside my vote so it isn't out of nowhere?

No, but it's generally what people do so I mean...

Dude I literally said that in spite of that I still read you town. Why are you wasting our time drilling into this. Get over it lol.

[Dragomir]

Does it matter when I give the reason for why LC is scum as long as I do at some point? Do I need to have an reason alongside my vote so it isn't out of nowhere?

No, but it's generally what people do so I mean...

Dude I literally said that in spite of that I still read you town. Why are you wasting our time drilling into this. Get over it lol.

I was curious.

[tedxtr]

Post #342 and #346 seem to be confirmation bias because they show turnip is starting with the conclusion- Sloonei is scum- and then seeing the play fit into that pattern, rather than looking at the play and deciding that they are scum because xyz.

I’ve always hated reads like this, this is not how this works.

It would’ve been so if someone read Sloonei’s posts, didn’t say anything about them, then 2 days later or so they would’ve made a post, not even having thought about making that post in advance, just like “Hey, I have to make a post now! Let’s see what we can do...”

“Hmm...Let’s type in...Sloonei is scum...why? Well...”

And then he twists everything that he retained from sloonei’s posts in order to make him scum.

But most of the time what people are calling confbias is just bad structuring of posts / they want you to see what they think firsthand, rather than walking you through the process of how they got there.

[Master Radishes]

Good morning.

Why is Mac SRing me?

[ts account]

Post #342 and #346 seem to be confirmation bias because they show turnip is starting with the conclusion- Sloonei is scum- and then seeing the play fit into that pattern, rather than looking at the play and deciding that they are scum because xyz.

I’ve always hated reads like this, this is not how this works.

It would’ve been so if someone read Sloonei’s posts, didn’t say anything about them, then 2 days later or so they would’ve made a post, not even having thought about making that post in advance, just like “Hey, I have to make a post now! Let’s see what we can do...”

“Hmm...Let’s type in...Sloonei is scum...why? Well...”

And then he twists everything that he retained from sloonei’s posts in order to make him scum.

But most of the time what people are calling confbias is just bad structuring of posts / they want you to see what they think firsthand, rather than walking you through the process of how they got there.

Did you look at those posts? I am more inclined to think turnip is dipping into confirmation bias and just entertaining a scum sloonei world for a bit, as opposed to their read on the slot actually changing/progressing.

[tedxtr]

My brain is trying to process the fact that Mac just announced an “exceptionally confident” town read on me on April 1st.

So when I started the game I immediately voted for Tedxtr for the kek. I later realised that Master Radishes voted for him and I observed that Radishes at that time had no votes. Given that Radishes was lynched as scum very early in the GOC I figured that he must have done something very towny to be skating, so I read his ISO and ... well found very little. But what I did find was a strong read that you are Sloonei the town as opposed to Sloonei the scum. I know Radishes is an exceptionally insightful civilian so either;

a) He is a civilian and made an insightful as fuck town read that I should probably assume is correct
or
b) He is scum and trying to pocket you

I then cast a cursory glance at your ISO in the few fleeting moments I had to do so yesterday and saw what he meant.

I was going to sheep your vote at the time, I truly don't remember where it was ... I think maybe on ts account? But while this was unfolding I also made a snap read that Tedxtr is likely town because he has a similar gear shift here to you, so I decided to sheep him instead.

Not April Fools.

Ok

[tedxtr]

Reminder for self im on page 9 i got some math to do

I did see that epi placed a vote on me, I’m absolutely going to obliterate him at all costs

[Long Con]

Started getting some analysis done from many pages ago... but it's 4:19 am here, so I decided to Save Draft rather than post a partial. I know I haven't been prolific yet, but I'm going to try and fix that and sort some things out. Good night.

[tedxtr]

TED TALK

is this the vote

[tedxtr]

wow that's actually the vote

[tedxtr]

Ted talk comes day 2 I'm skating on pure charisma

[tedxtr]

unless i get to like L-1 or something

[MacDougall]

Good morning.

Why is Mac SRing me?

I'm not sure that I am. I just don't have any reason to town read you.

[Master Radishes]

Good morning.

Why is Mac SRing me?

I'm not sure that I am. I just don't have any reason to town read you.

Okay. I feel the same about you at the moment, so that's fair.

Why do you think Ted is town? I saw you made a 'snap read' on him but I don't understand why. I feel the opposite. I do think he's playing a bit differently from GoC but I found scum!Ted there (although I was busy getting lynched myself so couldn't do much about it) and feel I may have found him again.

[Master Radishes]

Also @Mac, since I saw you ask about Long Con earlier, my thoughts were recorded here. It was really just about one early post of his, and it wasn't a strong enough read to place a vote.

I have no feelings on Drago, who you had also asked about. (But he has no feelings about me, he says, which is totally not hurtful Drago, I get it, really, it's fine.)

[Master Radishes]

I'm in mild agreement with suspicions about leetic, but his list of voters is uninspiring.

[Turnip Head]

Leetic feels cornered

[tedxtr]

Leetic feels cornered

What's the point you're making? He's civilian because he's being pushed into a wall or is he scum because he reacts poorly?

[tedxtr]

Good morning.

Why is Mac SRing me?

I'm not sure that I am. I just don't have any reason to town read you.

Okay. I feel the same about you at the moment, so that's fair.

Why do you think Ted is town? I saw you made a 'snap read' on him but I don't understand why. I feel the opposite. I do think he's playing a bit differently from GoC but I found scum!Ted there (although I was busy getting lynched myself so couldn't do much about it) and feel I may have found him again.

[tedxtr]

I was about to move my vote to leetic but I saw he already has 4 votes.

so?

[tedxtr]

Does anyone else think it's weird that we have ~40 hours left and I'm already at L-3?

no

[tedxtr]

Does anyone else think it's weird that we have ~40 hours left and I'm already at L-3?

No. What's weird about it?

I think it's likely that at least one of my voters is scum. Probably precisely one since it would be risky for mafia to gang up on someone this early

You have absolutely no scum reads on anyone on your wagon, what even triggered this comment.

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: tsaccount] aubergine

My concerns about ts have not been addressed, but I am now having a harder time reading his utter frustration with me as anything but genuine.

My vote stands. Convince me otherwise.

Why does your vote stand where it stands? Is this a social distancing thing?

If Sloonei ever flips wolf treat this as spew on Epi