The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:05 pm I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

Why? We are closer to losing the game.

I wish it had worked.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:07 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:02 pm Like how fucking hard is it to say “I’m VT” jfc

I have zero remorse

You tried to bully him into claiming and now you're victim blaming him lol. I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

What's your read on G-man?

Slight bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:07 pm What is everyone's read on G-man?

town

Why?

that post is fire. it is burning hot.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:02 pm Like how fucking hard is it to say “I’m VT” jfc

I have zero remorse

You tried to bully him into claiming and now you're victim blaming him lol. I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

He should’ve claimed

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:06 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:04 pm I don’t have the aversion to killing non-obvious town that a lot of people do tbh. Not even including mechanical reasons to think he was >rand mafia. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs etc

I mean you are not wrong but... sometimes you need to go the extra mile. Be crazy. Lynch the unlynchable. Lynch the obvious busser. Leave the obvious suspect alive.

Mafia wins the game too often if town acts predictable and does the things mafia expects them to do.

I guess we could say, the only thing necessary for evil to win, is for the good guys to be boring.

Time and place. Yesterday was neither

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:07 pm What is everyone's read on G-man?

He exists

Well, I’m glad I didn’t sink in a ton of time into sig interactive reads.

We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:15 pm We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

My feeling rn:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:15 pm We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

What do you make of that?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:15 pm We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

Including D1 Sig wagon?

Oh sorry I never got back to you, Sloonei, I’ve been distracted AF. I’ll ISO G-Man and get back to you.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:09 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:05 pm I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

Why? We are closer to losing the game.

I wish it had worked.

You sound scummy for this ^ tbqh. And you blindly following nanook's peek and then pre-flip sowing suspicion against the one person who tried to argue against it is not a good look. from my POV that is the exact next move the mafia would try to attempt after getting their free sig lynch.

I also don't like how quickly you justified nanook's peek as real. You jumped through hoops to explain Nanook's behavior and I don't buy your thought process as genuine. (I encourage yall to iso luffys posts on this subject). There was no healthy level of paranoia from you here DDL and it concerns me greatly. It's not looking good for you Luffy, it's not looking good for you at all

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:07 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:02 pm Like how fucking hard is it to say “I’m VT” jfc

I have zero remorse

You tried to bully him into claiming and now you're victim blaming him lol. I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

What's your read on G-man?

I don't really have one, but as with most cases I think it's possible to read his behavior through two different lenses, one where he's good and one where he's bad. I don't feel strongly one way or the other at this point.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:22 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:09 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:05 pm I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

Why? We are closer to losing the game.

I wish it had worked.

You sound scummy for this ^ tbqh. And you blindly following nanook's peek and then pre-flip sowing suspicion against the one person who tried to argue against it is not a good look. from my POV that is the exact next move the mafia would try to attempt after getting their free sig lynch.

I also don't like how quickly you justified nanook's peek as real. You jumped through hoops to explain Nanook's behavior and I don't buy your thought process as genuine. (I encourage yall to iso luffys posts on this subject). There was no healthy level of paranoia from you here DDL and it concerns me greatly. It's not looking good for you Luffy, it's not looking good for you at all

Everyone is saying I'm not paranoid but what more paranoia do you want from me?

Does me changing my vote and going against a fucking cop peek not count as paranoia?

Or is it necessary for me to completyely defy normal game conventions and assume it's impossible to nanook's peek to be worth anything? Because I'm not doing that. At the end of the day, I'm a logical person more than I'm a paranoid one.

Also what are even your thoughts on this game besides defending Sig, man? You voted for nanook but spent the day shading me. You are now saying you don't trust nanook while still shading me. Are you trying to say the two of us are mafia coordinating in the thread?

Post your reads, please. Cuz so far you have just posted angry disagreements about things.

Idk I just think you're bad dude

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:27 pm Idk I just think you're bad dude

And nanook?

I've done plenty of things in this game; saying I've only posted angry disagreements is demonstrably inaccurate

DDL pretty townie imo

Alright, re-reading G-Man first since Sloonei has been posting a lot today and I don't feel like all that.

Doing this with fresh eyes, and trying to think through the context at the time as well.
First two non-rhyme posts of the day. I don't like that they come 3 hours before the end of D1, but I do like that they contain a lot of opinions on other players. The change on Mac is notable: it goes from "presumptuous but not unlike Mac" to "low-hanging fruit".

Also worth noting is I'm one of his top town reads. This makes me feel worse than before: it's possible his read on me was influencing the positive gut feels I had on him prior to the lynch result.
Switches to sig 15min later, 20min before EOD. Looks like possible distancing. Similar to Mac, goes from a slight negative ping to a vote pretty quickly.
Switches back, and apparently not for game-related reasons. Places the most influential vote aside from Epi.
This post doesn't help in my assessment of G-Man particularly, but it made me realize how hard NANOOK was after sig even D1, which I somehow had missed. I guess that makes sense given that he targeted sig N1, but he didn't really give a reason at the time. NANOOK, given that your early posts are all rhymes, would you give me a hand and let me know the root of your sig suspicion?
Asks sig these questions, but never really follows up on them. G-Man, were you asking these questions to assess sig, or to form more general opinions on thread activity?
Does eventually post GTH reads. Others have said they don't like that he was initially game for this but then held off. I do get that changing his mind doesn't look amazing and that holding off goes against the point of GTH, but I agree with the logic of not giving the baddies an easy civ kill, and to me the fact that he posted them is something of a mitigating factor.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 2:21 pm Piling onto sig feels lame so early in the phase.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Sprinkled throughout his posts is quite a bit of pondering how baddies might strategically approach this game. More than once did I think he was more concerned with that than analyzing the game happening right in front of him. I will have to go back and look for specific examples.

Would you, could you, fuel the fire
Of dear old Sloonei’s funeral pyre?
ISO him for yourself and see
If you might, perchance, agree with me.

This is his only post on D2 (other than the GTH, which it sounds like he intended to post at the end of N1). He says Sloonei looks bad for figuring out how baddies would play, says he's going to look for examples, and never comes back with any examples. He also doesn't really push for others to vote for Sloonei or not vote for sig, despite saying the sig train is lame. His rhyme basically asks people to build a case on Sloonei for him, which he has to know people won't do, especially since he hasn't really given them anything to go on here. Independent of the D1 results, this is the only thing that truly influences my read of G-Man one way or another, and I don't think it's a good look. Of course, I haven't done my Sloonei ISO yet, and it's possible there's something there, but even if that's the case, this way of pointing to it seems at best lukewarm.


Lots of linki: RIP sig. It double-sucks that we boht mislynched you and ruined the game for you so bad you didn't defend.

So NANOOK's read was at best unreliable as he himself admitted, or at worst a lie. NANOOK, if you could answer my question above about why you were originally onto sig, I think that would help me determine which I think it is.

DDL, to clarify, you're saying that since sig flipped civ, you think TH was setting you up for a D3 lynch in his posts above? DDL and TH, are you each other's biggest suspects right now? TH, you said you were "the one person driving discussion (besides Sloonei)" today. Can you point me to where exactly you tried to rally people around something else, as opposed to saying not to lynch sig and to doubt NANOOK?

Double extra bonus linki: Yay for polls being posted! And TH, I would also appreciate if you could post any non-sig, NANOOK, or DDL reads.

Triple linki: of course now I can't post.....what happened to thread being slow?

I said before I didn't trust nanook's peek as real. What that means for his alignment is up for debate (I think he COULD be good with a fake peek) but I did vote for him. As of right now I trust you less than Nanook.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:15 pm We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

What do you make of that?

It strikes me as an indication that town is missing the mark.

TH do this TH do that. TH you're doing stuff but it's not the things I want you to do. TH your reads aren't the ones I want from you. Lol yikes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:07 pm What is everyone's read on G-man?

town

Why?

Like I said, he just feels like regular ol G-Man to me. I don't understand/agree with the case.

DDL/Nanook/Nutella mafia? I think it's possible.

I will be ISOing Sloonei and nutella as promised, but not today. I am tired from working and doing my first ISO.

Also, I forgot to post my conclusion on G-Man: based on the sig flip, most of my bad feelings about him disappear. I think the last post he made, early in D2, is pingy, as is the fact that he did nothing else all day. Other than that there's basically nothing to go on, though, so I'd give him a mild bad read, but probably not one I'd want to pursue D3.

Linki: TH, argue with DDL all you want about how to play the game. You guys are fighting and I get that. But is it really unreasonable for me (or anyone for that matter) to ask you to make some contribution, whatever it may be, no matter how small, to trying to find baddies? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not what you signed up for?

M Plus 7 town
Russtifinko town
Sloonei town
TSP town

This is my towncore and I am unlikely to change my mind about these reads.

Dunya I pray to any god that exists that she's town, and I currently believe she is

Speedchuck lean town, a malleable read
G-Man lean not scum, a malleable read

Nanook slight scum lean
Nutella slight scum lean

DDL hard scum lean

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:36 pm Linki: TH, argue with DDL all you want about how to play the game. You guys are fighting and I get that. But is it really unreasonable for me (or anyone for that matter) to ask you to make some contribution, whatever it may be, no matter how small, to trying to find baddies? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not what you signed up for?

Do you think I am not looking for baddies? I think it is quite unfair to accuse me of not looking for baddies - when I AM - and then act like I don't know what our objective is.

I'm not arguing with DDL about how to play the game fwiw. I am arguing with DDL because I think he is playing from a mafia POV. It's weird that you, Russti, seem to think that's not what I'm doing.

I could see nutella bad too tbh

Where’s jack when you need him

Like I feel my posts aren't really being read and that's whats frustrating. It makes me feel misunderstood when I feel like I am making clear and salient points that are being ignored, and the reaction to me is that I'm not doing enough

I can totally see bad nutella.

She's just... not very around.

Like compare to last game where she was extremely around. Saying things. Posting hot takes. Etc.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:07 pm What is everyone's read on G-man?

town

Why?

Like I said, he just feels like regular ol G-Man to me. I don't understand/agree with the case.

You said this before I posted my case.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:39 pm M Plus 7 town
Russtifinko town
Sloonei town
TSP town

This is my towncore and I am unlikely to change my mind about these reads.

Dunya I pray to any god that exists that she's town, and I currently believe she is

Speedchuck lean town, a malleable read
G-Man lean not scum, a malleable read

Nanook slight scum lean
Nutella slight scum lean

DDL hard scum lean

DDL is town

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:30 pm DDL, to clarify, you're saying that since sig flipped civ, you think TH was setting you up for a D3 lynch in his posts above? DDL and TH, are you each other's biggest suspects right now? TH, you said you were "the one person driving discussion (besides Sloonei)" today. Can you point me to where exactly you tried to rally people around something else, as opposed to saying not to lynch sig and to doubt NANOOK?

Not necessarily, I think it's between TH and nutella, with a sprinkle of G-Man.

TH's recent posts felt pretty emotional. THough I haven't played that much with bad TH so maybe he could fake emotion.

The one time I remember playing with baddie TH, he was like the most chill person in the universe. Impervious to negativity. Nothing could make him lose his cool. So it's making me doubt my read a little.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:35 pm DDL/Nanook/Nutella mafia? I think it's possible.

I don't see DDL and Nanook tag teaming each other like this if they're both mafia. It's too buddy-y.

Also hey EOD was about 3 hours earlier than I thought it was because I can't read.

I don't view TH's thing as TMI because I agree with the actual points they were making.

Easy to say that now, of course.

I just want y’all to know I’ve requested to sub out. This isn’t and shouldn’t be considered to be AI. Yes, I know I just said in the last game that subbing out is probably scum. Whatever.

As to my reads: I have no clue what’s happening in this game.
I think there are safe scum teams (speed, TH, G-Man) that don’t require much mental energy, but I think I’ve been successfully pocketed by TH. Sloonei and Nutella could round out something with Nanook. I don’t think there’s anything worth calling a towncore, but associative reads can carry pretty far I think. Lynch one scum.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:44 pm I can totally see bad nutella.

She's just... not very around.

Like compare to last game where she was extremely around. Saying things. Posting hot takes. Etc.

Sorry I have been very distracted by other things so I haven't really gotten my head in this game. I don't have super hot takes, I have some townreads and a lot of people who haven't made much of an impression. I kinda think Sloonei is scum for being so focused on his garbage Gman case over everything else, but I've gone back and forth on him.

I think it's likely one of you and TH is bad based on this recent exchange.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:07 pm What is everyone's read on G-man?

town

Why?

Like I said, he just feels like regular ol G-Man to me. I don't understand/agree with the case.

You said this before I posted my case.

Your case did nothing for me, you just pointed out some things in his posts that seemed typical from him imo. I don't see the problems you see, I see Gman's way of processing the game.

I need to look back at that awful G mislynch in GOC and see how much scum!Sloonei contributed to it and how that compares to his push here. I'm just getting a lil deja vu and I think G tends to be misread repeatedly for consistent reasons.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 7:31 pm I just want y’all to know I’ve requested to sub out. This isn’t and shouldn’t be considered to be AI. Yes, I know I just said in the last game that subbing out is probably scum. Whatever.

As to my reads: I have no clue what’s happening in this game.
I think there are safe scum teams (speed, TH, G-Man) that don’t require much mental energy, but I think I’ve been successfully pocketed by TH. Sloonei and Nutella could round out something with Nanook. I don’t think there’s anything worth calling a towncore, but associative reads can carry pretty far I think. Lynch one scum.

I can explain why you're towncore to me: You changed your read of me favorably at a time where you didn't have to and wouldn't have made sense to do so if you were scum. I can link it if you like, it felt extremely townie to me.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 7:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:44 pm I can totally see bad nutella.

She's just... not very around.

Like compare to last game where she was extremely around. Saying things. Posting hot takes. Etc.

Sorry I have been very distracted by other things so I haven't really gotten my head in this game. I don't have super hot takes, I have some townreads and a lot of people who haven't made much of an impression. I kinda think Sloonei is scum for being so focused on his garbage Gman case over everything else, but I've gone back and forth on him.

I think it's likely one of you and TH is bad based on this recent exchange.

nutella: “I don’t agree with the case on G-man.”

Sloonei: [presents a fresh new case against G-man]

nutella: “Sloonei’s G-man case is garbage.”

Nutella is indeed bad.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 4:19 am Sloonei might be bad
But I think I’m wrong
To keep pursuing THead
Who Keeps chugging along

Here's the post where TSP changed his read on me. It doesn't appear to have been prompted by anything specific, it was not a reaction to anything specific. It feels like TSP genuinely changed his mind in a way that a scum player wouldn't think to do.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 7:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 7:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:44 pm I can totally see bad nutella.

She's just... not very around.

Like compare to last game where she was extremely around. Saying things. Posting hot takes. Etc.

Sorry I have been very distracted by other things so I haven't really gotten my head in this game. I don't have super hot takes, I have some townreads and a lot of people who haven't made much of an impression. I kinda think Sloonei is scum for being so focused on his garbage Gman case over everything else, but I've gone back and forth on him.

I think it's likely one of you and TH is bad based on this recent exchange.

nutella: “I don’t agree with the case on G-man.”

Sloonei: [presents a fresh new case against G-man]

nutella: “Sloonei’s G-man case is garbage.”

Well it is.