The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:08 am I do not like that post from Jeraldo with scum reads with no reasoning.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:28 am What do people think about yeeting Alison just to see how she'd flip? Cause I think that would be pretty fun tbh tbh

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:10 am Level 3: someone who scumreads SO MANY obv townies has to be town due to not reading thread temperature / lacking pre-planned agenda
Level 4: someone who scumreads the entire town core is just ... Mafia? How are they ever town?

I kept thinking whether jeraldo is on level 3 or 4. My gut wanted to say 4, but the pessimist in me wanted to say 3 (as in ive been desentized to stuff like this already)

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:14 am Btw urist can you explain your michelle townread please?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:08 am I think my preferred lynches for today are Jeraldo, Proto and Michelle. Maybe I'm too omgus, but I do not like that post from Jeraldo with scum reads with no reasoning.

Would like to hear what people who know Jeraldo thinks.

jeraldooo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:27 am Mp and dizzy could be paired (seems like partner on partner interactions),
proto - light town due to the reads given that the evidence was good (can still change),
cobbler - light town for compiling a list of sr’s for everyone (could be NAI but for rn light town),
Lavender - seems like towny lav to me from previous games. Reaction testing and all. Seems very confident and makes me believe he’s town.

dexslexicon with their interaction with tutu saying that tutu is their biggest townread but i dont remember seeing anything good to tr tutu rn.

Townreads: Lav, proto, cobbler ||
Mafreads: Mp and dizzy, dexslexicon and tutu ||
Nullreads: everybody else ||
Paired: ||
Not Paired: Scirrus and proto, dislexycon ||

Sorry these notes were a lil rushed i almost fell asleep working with them.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:18 am I forgot the reason he gave

I was just looking at his scumreads being me mp7 and dizzy and i just couldnt believe what im seeing lol

re: michelle hm maybe i misunderstood then

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:22 am Urist, jeraldo didnt list any interaction or explanation there, he just said "these two have maf/maf interaction"

How can i have an opinion on that? What is your opinion on that?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:03 am Wow these were some extraordinarily town posts from dizzy. Not gonna lie holy shit. Its not gut, i think i can verbalize it if someone insists (by default id rather save the effort) but yeah. Dizzy obvious town

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:32 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:22 am Urist, jeraldo didnt list any interaction or explanation there, he just said "these two have maf/maf interaction"

How can i have an opinion on that? What is your opinion on that?

Yeah he said that and he said: dexslexicon with their interaction with tutu saying that tutu is their biggest townread but i dont remember seeing anything good to tr tutu rn.
(lol at the irony of butchering "dyslexicon")

I'm asking you because you clearly think his reads are garbage, whether you've said it in such terms or not.
My impression of it is that jeraldooo is reading the game and looking for things which stick out, and calling those things scummy. He isn't analysing whether these things are scummish or townish.
The things he pointed out also happened very early in the game, so it's clear that he found a couple of things he could call scummy and said "that's good enough for now".
This is either a very shallow and lazy analysis of the game, or jeraldooo is simply mafia. I'm leaning toward the latter. What do you think?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:16 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:10 am Level 3: someone who scumreads SO MANY obv townies has to be town due to not reading thread temperature / lacking pre-planned agenda
Level 4: someone who scumreads the entire town core is just ... Mafia? How are they ever town?

I kept thinking whether jeraldo is on level 3 or 4. My gut wanted to say 4, but the pessimist in me wanted to say 3 (as in ive been desentized to stuff like this already)

I think you'd have a difficult time differentiating the two and getting a read on someone down that avenue of thought. Especially if you don't know the person.
What do you think of the reasons he posted, for example that dyslexicon and mp7 have m/m interactions?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:14 am Btw urist can you explain your michelle townread please?

I don't have a townread on Michelle, so I'm afraid I cannot answer this question!

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:46 am

Scirrus wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:54 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:51 am scirrus is maybe the top poster but i dont feel like he has given me the "key" to unlock the "door" to his "mind" and figure out how he works. i cant get a read on him

gun to my head i dont have a read on dizzy as well and i wished this wasnt so since he wasnt hard at all to townread last game. this could be on my part (paranoia that i might be wrong) (or paranoia that i might be overestimating myself and "spreading myself too thin" which might result in inaccurate reads if i try too hard). i dunno

my biggest focus this game will be trying to read alison. i really wish that if shes scum i can catch her. this is me reading all of alison's posts carefully and trying to catch her scumslip

Do you have any questions for me? I'm not sure really how to address this or if I even can, lol.

I feel like I'm more or less an open book when I play but apparently others don't see it. Maybe it's bc I'm new, dunno

What made DIzzy easy to read for you last game?

Scirrus what are your top scum reads and why.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:35 am Looking at timestamps I think it's the former. They skimmed 11 pages and wrote a summary in 30 minutes.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:57 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:02 am What do you two see in Scirrus?

His vote on Michelle is wrong. He spends a lot of time hemming and hawing on Alison, then votes with her on Michelle. I would be fine with this if it were a "One of Alison or Michelle are likely to be scum", but it isn't. His vote on Michelle is not based on much. Which I would also be fine with, if he weren't voting alongside the person he was suspicious of.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:51 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:38 am The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.

in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.

Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.

still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.

the self-awareness is uncanny
i personally believe you're town tho

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:57 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:02 am What do you two see in Scirrus?

His vote on Michelle is wrong. He spends a lot of time hemming and hawing on Alison, then votes with her on Michelle. I would be fine with this if it were a "One of Alison or Michelle are likely to be scum", but it isn't. His vote on Michelle is not based on much. Which I would also be fine with, if he weren't voting alongside the person he was suspicious of.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:38 am Please explain the bolded. Why are you asking for my opinion on the mp7/dizzy interactions? You later said youre talking about dizzy/tutuu, i know this, but i want to hear it from you

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:40 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:38 am Please explain the bolded. Why are you asking for my opinion on the mp7/dizzy interactions? You later said youre talking about dizzy/tutuu, i know this, but i want to hear it from you

you said his reads were bad so i wanted to know your opinion of his reasoning

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:42 am And I think Dizzy is probably town as well. That read is the one I'm least confident on but I liked the interaction with cobbler. Can anyone with a townread on Urist talk to me about them?

What specifically did you like about it?

Also, generally speaking, I apologize if I ask questions that end up being irrelevant by the time I catch up, but I typically prefer to catch up and post responses as I do so.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:37 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:48 am I feel like if proto was scum here he'd just play the way people expect him to play rather than going "I am deviating from my play in Space Invaders and here's why". It's not like it's a hard playstyle to fake.

But if proto is overly self-aware, wouldn't that make the sentiment effectively NAI?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:40 am Alright. I see your reasoning. Why do you town read Michelle though, and also Proto? I have them both as possible lynches today, does that make me suspicious too? What do you think about me town reading Scirrus, considering I know him pretty well. I wish I could explain my read better actually, and I'd hate to be wrong on this. But I really don't see the scum there.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:43 am im getting nitpicky but please entertain me

did you not read his post yourself to see that there were no given reasoning for the mp7/dizzy association? bcuz i believe u specifically asked me about that? so like im finding it puzzling that u didnt fully read his post cuz u seem like the type of player who would never misread?

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:00 amI wish you posted separately so it's easier to reply on mobile but let me try work through this.

No idea what Michelle flips. Not enough content to gauge alignment. Similar position to LC imo. I think Alison would think the same, but I may be mistaken. I have never seen Alison's town game.

Why do I want to sus Alison more if Michelle flips red? I read this as potential distancing/bussing from Alison. It seemed unlikely that Michelle goes over and Alison could get credit in later days for an early vote in Michelle. We in tinfoil territory and it prob won't make sense to other people even after I explain it. Also if Alison does flip red, I would also be wary of tutuu just in case their interactions were scum theatre.

Pinging people out as PR or mafia, but not vanilla town is pretty common in my mafia experience. I don't view it particularly anti town because when I am PR I will sometimes do this to sacrifice someone else to the mafia team. Make of that what you will.

Mafia has a team to find PRs. Our PRs don't and are operating solo. If there is a saving role, it helps them identify who they might want to save. Pinging it out makes it less likely mafia try for that kill because a save might be on them. I don't think it's purely anti town to identify PR or mafia reads. We will just have to disagree on this.

Your mafia team is small and identified. Your town team is large and diffuse because they can't identify eachother. The collective responsibility means it's easier to walk away. You can rant I'm still wrong, but this is my take on 1612's hypothetical decision making process.

You think my reasoning to vote Urist is scummy. Look at my day 1 in space invaders and reasoning there. I think it's pretty similar.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:02 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:18 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:23 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:17 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 am ok so if dizzy doesnt have 300 posts and doesnt have 10 townreads by the end of day 0 he's scum with alison (who could be scum for similar reason)

i didn't read all the day for rl reasons but i wanted to see what is happening here.

Fos for tutuu because he expects performance like Dizzy is a robot working at a norm. I see it as a joke too but i dislike it.
Also associative reads so early? smh

yep, was a joke, just like the alison post

why would you dislike it even if u see it as a joke?

i have problems to understand jokes English is not my first language

Not trying to be rude here, but I don't really see what English as a second language have to do with this. You said you saw it as a joke in your initial reaction to it, so I saying later you have problems understanding jokes just seems like [excuse] and sidestepping the question tbh. One "foreigner" to another. Sorry if it's legit, but that is my reaction.

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:20 am imagine sucking so bad the one person who has played a lot with you misreads you

To be fair i haven't had a good game in a long time so I shouldn't be too surprised

I'm a bit tilted by this reaction for some reason. It's like you're just taking a seat and giving up lol. Actually, I did not scum read you. BUT when I considered to pretend to do it I kind of talked myself into seeing it as possible. I kind of think some of your catching up was pretty generic and just standard "this is good town play" kind of things. I also get all the pings from how Proto is talking about you. First having you as a strong suspect for what I considered pretty weird things, like the strength of the accusation didn't match what he read you off of, and now backing off of it when you're actually a wagon. He also said he would vote Urist or Scirrus, which pinged distancing to me. BUT this isn't really about you lol. I just want to state this here in case one of you flip scum at a point, cause then I think that interaction is worth looking into. I actually did town read you at the start of the game though, that was my first instinct, and I didn't really mean for this vote to be anything more than shenanigans at first. It's like I reaction tested myself. Wow I broke mafia.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:49 am [VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:52 am Without reading much i want to consider M7 volume cleared for now, and my wagon suspect for voting me for few not AI posts.

Michelle

2

33% Voters: Scirrus, Alison

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

What do you two see in Scirrus?

Also lol, Michelle, I don't think clearing MP off of volume is how reading MP works imo. It's like clearing Hally on volume which is lol. Do you not think she can post as much as scum?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:03 am Wow these were some extraordinarily town posts from dizzy. Not gonna lie holy shit. Its not gut, i think i can verbalize it if someone insists (by default id rather save the effort) but yeah. Dizzy obvious town

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:40 am What do you think about me town reading Scirrus, considering I know him pretty well. I wish I could explain my read better actually, and I'd hate to be wrong on this. But I really don't see the scum there.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:49 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:43 am im getting nitpicky but please entertain me

did you not read his post yourself to see that there were no given reasoning for the mp7/dizzy association? bcuz i believe u specifically asked me about that? so like im finding it puzzling that u didnt fully read his post cuz u seem like the type of player who would never misread?

His given reasoning for the mp7/dizzy pairing was that he found their first interactions to be scum theatre. I'm paraphrasing and including subtext (like the fact that he clearly skimmed over pages 2-10), but that's what he said. I was asking what you thought of that, in addition to what you thought of his other analysis (that you are scum with dizzy).

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:39 am

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:35 am Looking at timestamps I think it's the former. They skimmed 11 pages and wrote a summary in 30 minutes.

Sure, I'm open to that interpretation.
People play differently on forum vs chat mafia yeah? I am almost certain you guys aren't posting reads lists in your chat mafia games. Are you 100% confident of your reads despite that?

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:49 ammy reaction is more just me feeling out of sync with the game than frustration at you really. I just...can't find the time to do the solving i need to do to feel good about my play if that makes sense. Its become a thing in more recent games. So I thought that you saw that bleeding into your read of me.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:25 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:10 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:38 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:27 am If Alison doesn't have 200 posts and hasn't lynched at least 2 mafia by the end of day 0 then she's mafia.

stuff like this is why I feel obligated to bus a lot when I'm scum

btw you always post with a capital letter and end with punctuation and this is the first time i see u post with lowercase and no punctuation it felt like a special gift just for me cuz its like normally ur at the office talking business right but then ur at the coffee shop with me and thats why u dropped the capital letter and punctuation omg omg omg tysm alison ur wonderful and amazing and i wish u all the best

I really want to townread this.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:10 am I was thinking about jeraldooo as i was walking to the supermarket just now. I think its like this:

Baseline (level 1): townies try to scumread scummy people
Level 2: someone who scumreads a bunch of townies might be mafia
Level 3: someone who scumreads SO MANY obv townies has to be town due to not reading thread temperature / lacking pre-planned agenda
Level 4: someone who scumreads the entire town core is just ... Mafia? How are they ever town?

I kept thinking whether jeraldo is on level 3 or 4. My gut wanted to say 4, but the pessimist in me wanted to say 3 (as in ive been desentized to stuff like this already)

I apologize in advance if my townreads on dizzy and/or mp7 are wrong and jeraldo is town and he was right and im disparaging him, i really really really doubt its the case but its possible and id feel ashamed of myself just fwiw jeraldo

But yea

Scirrus wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:57 am im not super interested in lynching out of jeraldo or michelle today. anyone have any compelling reasons why we shouldnt?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:32 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:22 am Urist, jeraldo didnt list any interaction or explanation there, he just said "these two have maf/maf interaction"

How can i have an opinion on that? What is your opinion on that?

Yeah he said that and he said: dexslexicon with their interaction with tutu saying that tutu is their biggest townread but i dont remember seeing anything good to tr tutu rn.
(lol at the irony of butchering "dyslexicon")

I'm asking you because you clearly think his reads are garbage, whether you've said it in such terms or not.
My impression of it is that jeraldooo is reading the game and looking for things which stick out, and calling those things scummy. He isn't analysing whether these things are scummish or townish.
The things he pointed out also happened very early in the game, so it's clear that he found a couple of things he could call scummy and said "that's good enough for now".
This is either a very shallow and lazy analysis of the game, or jeraldooo is simply mafia. I'm leaning toward the latter. What do you think?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:10 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:08 am I do not like that post from Jeraldo with scum reads with no reasoning.

Come on, so many people have done this this game. Why pick out jeraldooo in particular?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:28 am What do people think about yeeting Alison just to see how she'd flip? Cause I think that would be pretty fun tbh tbh

Do you have a scum read on Alison?

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:03 am Ok flipping my vote to dizzy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:04 am

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:10 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:08 am I do not like that post from Jeraldo with scum reads with no reasoning.

Come on, so many people have done this this game. Why pick out jeraldooo in particular?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:28 am What do people think about yeeting Alison just to see how she'd flip? Cause I think that would be pretty fun tbh tbh

Do you have a scum read on Alison?

Who else have done exactly that in this game in your opinion? Genuine question.

protocultures wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:03 am Ok flipping my vote to dizzy.

Scirrus wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:33 am

Scirrus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:36 pm I like Urist for town already lol

Like the tone and think that asking if he should wait to give out reads is more likely to come from town

Think the tone is NAI, hesitancy to give reads is probably slightly scummy if anything, but not majorly so (since it can also come from hesitant town that doesn't know anything and doesn't want to be wrong).

On the other hand, MP7 is town.

disagree because I think scum would be more hesitant to ask a scummy sounding question like that. Or would ask their teammates over the thread, etc.

If it's a scum question i think it would be newb scum and Urist doesn't strike me as a newb

I think M+ looks good so far, mostly bc of similarity to the last game I played with her. What are your thoughts?