The 7th Saga [END, JJJ IS A DOOFUS]

[Hally]

i guess a better way to word this is:

im sort of familiar with macdougall's personality at this point, from having played multiple games with him and seeing him as both alignmetns, and i guess for some reasons i believe i can "sense" him and my "senses" tell me he is town. whether or not my senses are full of shit is up to debate!

its really not something u can put to words. im sorry, i know this sucks for u as a player who hasnt played that many games with us, i hope u dont feel like an outsider or something, but, its just the truth about how i feel!

Thank you.

Tbh thinking about the game while showering I feel more and more like Mac is just town. I Feel less tinfoilly about Hally's motives as well.

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Binary read list:

1612
MacDougall

Hally

----null line---
tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
cassowary

tedxtr
Long Con

can you explain re: mac?

[Hally]

Alison was town and 1612 is also town.
I can't remember any cassowary posts or opinions.
Chardonnay seemed bad but then did something that made me townread them and then Hally echoed that townread in a way that made me think she is also town.
Long Con is mafia cuz everyone says he is.
Nanook is probably town but I have no reason to say it.
tedxtr is probably town. Like 80%.
Tutuu is just town cuz she is.

God reads only here.

It's like so low effort that it must be town... oh my lord, is this the kind of meta that we want to encourage??

Im curous about what to do about Nanook b/c he's the only person this game that is strongly opposed to flipping me and my gut wants to TR the conterian read. Yet I don't think he has done anything else this me that stood out to me. Its easy to point at a slot and say its town. Its harder to deconstruct a popular read on another player, or to start a new wagon elsewhere. Scum are fine doing easy work in day thread, not so keen about hard work.

Ohhh i love this tinfoil from you honestly. yeah it might have been him collecting town-cred based on your flip. yeah probably not voting you..

i remain unconvinced of mac or tutuu’s towniness

i am physically incapable of randing mafia

oh this explains your attitude of having nothing to lose that's hilarious

holy crap! Has Tutuu really has never randed mafia on these forums? :0

I peeked through her completed games and it looks like shes town in all of them!

@tutuu
Have you any offsite completed scum games I could look though?

Oh man
1. first of all, you asking tutuu to provide offsite completed scum games is SO fricking town. If you are mafia, you are admitting and shamelessly ASKING to find info that you could potentially push off of but no you are just trying to get all the info.
MM! that's some good town. You just leveled up in my town radar. Maybe even more than tutu honestly.
2. second of all. IT REALLLY adds up to your tinfoil of the quote below

Well

Let me try but no promise

I thought LC town for attitude. He joked with everyone and responded appropriately when scumread and i dunno. Same reason i tr mac (except less confident cuz yall scumread lc). I just read LC's posts and i think "iight cool"

I guess cass cuz i dont got anyone left to scumread. And he came in and like "this scumread guty is scummy i guess" and dunno. Maybe he write more stuff and then we see

And chardo like. I guess just dont townread him. A big thing is that i dunno these 2 peeps. I cant rly accurately read someone ive never played with before uknow

It sounds like you are afraid to go after the people who are more familiar with how you play :/

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Thanks LC,

I'll answer that twisty question I was gonna ignore. what i meant by scum dont lie on purpose is that in thread interaction- scum purposely claiming something happened that can be proven false just by fact checking is not something any player intentionally does as any alignment. your comment about alison said that she was intentionally ignoring public facts to push an agenda. Which imo doesnt happen

I was confused why you weren't spewing tutu town and you were trying to throw chaos in my town reads but no you just don't know how tutu plays (neither do i) but yeah. It seems like genuine tinfoil . ( I really like this term, tinfoil , will use it more in my voice games, as mafia of course uwu)

P.S. RAINBOW TIME

how on earth does 1612 have two votes rn? we are never killing this

[Long Con]

That's probably the reason I have a null read, Gambler's Fallacy aside. I hadn't realized until it was stated here that she has never rolled scum on the Syndicate, but how can I have any metric when shes never been bad? Not that I really base my opinions on past games for the most part. Most "obvtown" things can be faked, can't they? Especially with her entrance to this game, which IS completely unlike anything I have seen from her iirc.

[Hally]

The actual answer is that I just don’t have that much to offer rn, sorry. I know that sucks and I’ll try to kick it into gear in later days if necessary, but this is what I got rn

nook do you actually not tr 1612?

[tedxtr]

You're looking at it upside down, lol.

Like if he's mafia and tutu is town, he's BLATANTLY asking for, "hey can you give me a reason to throw shade on you and miscondemn you?"

If he's mafia, the only agenda that is to be read into is that he wants to be town read for "solving". This is exactly why I don't read into these types of things, because I end up in reads like yours, that logically don't make sense :P

You're like, looking at it from the perspective of "chardonnay!scum would only ask this so he does action x, which is anti-scum anyway, so he's town" and it's completely untrue. You're wrong from the get-go, my point is that you can't analyse their motives behind this action, so reading into it is inherently flawed.

It's very simple for me but I have realised I have a very hard time explaining myself so if it's not clear, I expect someone to clear up the situation.

[tedxtr]

You're assuming that if chardonnay is scum, then the only reason they'd ask town!tutuu for their games is to cast shade on them, and that is completely untrue.

[tutuu]

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

like, alison was her town alison self, 1612 is full of energy and is doing so much (this is my second game with him i dont exactly know his personality) and he's like completely different from last game where he was scum

[Hally]

I’m very tempted to vote Hally.

I feel like she could’ve TMI’d around 2 slots, early game Alison and chardonnay this time around.

Chardonnay’s reads are twisting the timeline for an omgus that any wolf can do, picking posts that look scummy on surface but don’t actually make someone more likely to flip scum and 2 reads that pertain to “i haven’t seen them do anything townie”

It’s very hard for me to comprehend how him as a town would have the me!take, especially when all of my posts are literally catch-ups in order. I think he’s TMIng me at an expense of a “townie” read, because he’s “thinking about the game”, but in reality, that take doesn’t have the supported evidence and it’s just a fart in the air.

Hally, please explain how chardonnay’s catchup is townie and also why you town read Alison early on, with as much detail as possible.

re: alison i felt she was towny in how she handled tutuu. i also vibed with her reads. just seemed like town!alison to me

re: char idk i’m not 100% sold on him being town but i didn’t have any issues with his catchup. the questioning was good, probably other stuff. don’t remember

[tedxtr]

Also, I do agree 1612 is most likely town. He's polarised from his scum game lol.

[tedxtr]

you're at 98 posts, tutuu

[tedxtr]

I’m very tempted to vote Hally.

I feel like she could’ve TMI’d around 2 slots, early game Alison and chardonnay this time around.

Chardonnay’s reads are twisting the timeline for an omgus that any wolf can do, picking posts that look scummy on surface but don’t actually make someone more likely to flip scum and 2 reads that pertain to “i haven’t seen them do anything townie”

It’s very hard for me to comprehend how him as a town would have the me!take, especially when all of my posts are literally catch-ups in order. I think he’s TMIng me at an expense of a “townie” read, because he’s “thinking about the game”, but in reality, that take doesn’t have the supported evidence and it’s just a fart in the air.

Hally, please explain how chardonnay’s catchup is townie and also why you town read Alison early on, with as much detail as possible.

re: alison i felt she was towny in how she handled tutuu. i also vibed with her reads. just seemed like town!alison to me

re: char idk i’m not 100% sold on him being town but i didn’t have any issues with his catchup. the questioning was good, probably other stuff. don’t remember

what are your thoughts regarding my case on them?

[Hally]

Yeah, this game state absolutely sucks for me. I don't operate on guts anymore and I put a lot of thought into my reads and won't sort anybody gun to head.

My vote probably stays locked on chardonnay and think you're all wrong.

His scum read of me is dependent on another person flipping town as well as an oog assumption that is easily refuted by my reactions in thread. He does not believe in me flipping scum based off that, so the pursuit of it is not genuine and serves as showing consistency in his reads.

@cassowary what do you make of his accusation? Iirc you know each other, he has no opinion on your read of him. Why do you think he did not construe it as you being opportunistic?

Further evidence that I think can show light upon some stuff, although it can be unfortunately construed as confbias, is this read and vote :

LC's opener was among the least town looking. So I voted to see how he/others would react since I didn't really have any SRs in the players posting in that moment in time.

Which could be him pushing either a wolf partner or a town that was fairly consensus PoE at that point and he deflected from it by using the same reasoning to accuse me. That accusation doesn't come from town and OOG reasoning that's not backed up by evidence is >rand W. People have a hard time discerning between "wolves couldn't possibly have this thought process, so town" and "actually just a wolf".

He's repping a scum read on me and is acting fairly confident about it when, at the bottom of it, there's literally nothing to the push, just TMI. It's most likely a wolf repping an omgus on what appeared to be the latest and weakest voter although his theory does not match the evidence in thread. Why did he not have anything to say about the reasoning of my post and why did he go to OOG lengths?

Did he not think my reasoning was genuine? Like, why was I sheeping Alison and Mac? My reasoning was unique and nobody said why they voted Chardonnay.

He just skipped my post and did not engage with it and he made a leap of faith to "he must've sheeped them"

A : Ted voted Chardonnay

B: Is he a wolf doing it or town doing it? Why did he vote me?

C: He's a wolf

He basically leaps from A to C even though the B is not present at all. He did not analyse my posts and my vote on him. He went from the premise I'm a wolf and looked for evidence to match the conclusion. That's not how town thinks. Town doesn't skip from A to C, town's B is why they get town read 9/10 times.

But ted, what if Chardonnay is a wrong town? If a town is wrong, they consider B and then hop to C, but in this case, B is non-existent, because he didn't attempt to sort me at all or saying why my vote was bad. (like, actual analysis of why the reasoning for my read on him was opportunistic)

I don't know how I can make this more apparent to you, chardonnay is not town and the reason he's being town read is because we have 4 slots that are basically indiscernible between open wolves and town and I wouldn't be surprised if this was a re-run of Amdibals. Because of that, every read and push from someone you rule out as automatically town.

ted is town

[Long Con]

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

like, alison was her town alison self, 1612 is full of energy and is doing so much (this is my second game with him i dont exactly know his personality) and he's like completely different from last game where he was scum

Which game was that? A Syndicate game?

[Hally]

I’m very tempted to vote Hally.

I feel like she could’ve TMI’d around 2 slots, early game Alison and chardonnay this time around.

Chardonnay’s reads are twisting the timeline for an omgus that any wolf can do, picking posts that look scummy on surface but don’t actually make someone more likely to flip scum and 2 reads that pertain to “i haven’t seen them do anything townie”

It’s very hard for me to comprehend how him as a town would have the me!take, especially when all of my posts are literally catch-ups in order. I think he’s TMIng me at an expense of a “townie” read, because he’s “thinking about the game”, but in reality, that take doesn’t have the supported evidence and it’s just a fart in the air.

Hally, please explain how chardonnay’s catchup is townie and also why you town read Alison early on, with as much detail as possible.

Here's a wild take that I am not stuck on but here it is.... I feel like Hally susses chardonnay for their entrance to Day 1 but votes Long Con instead who I am kinda turning around on because yeah their responses are pretty appropriate for being called naked and put in everyone's POE.... So my take is looking at the votes right now,

WHAT IF : Hally and Chardonnay? I don't know Tedxtr's recent logs are good but again maybe like chardonnay, they are compensating with a sussed intro?
Did you mean by the green quote that Hally tmi'd Chardonnay as town? Because your next line suggests that Chard is wolf.

THOTS TED AND @Hally ?

what are you asking me?

[Hally]

Mac is definitely not out of his wolf range but like his reads and pushes are good so not super interested in bringing heat down on that slot atm

Which reads and pushes are good? Quote them.

remember when he called you naked obvious wolf?

Good times. [VOTE: alison] aubergine

I keep coming back to this exchange. Alison does a wishy-washy non-read on Mac, but when I asked her to elaborate on what she said, she gave the most openwolfing response I have ever seen from her.

Just let me know if I'm the only person who sees it this way, and I'll go back to shutting up.

i will be shocked if 1612/alison is not a town slot

[Hally]

Mac is definitely not out of his wolf range but like his reads and pushes are good so not super interested in bringing heat down on that slot atm

Which reads and pushes are good? Quote them.

remember when he called you naked obvious wolf?

Good times. [VOTE: alison] aubergine

I keep coming back to this exchange. Alison does a wishy-washy non-read on Mac, but when I asked her to elaborate on what she said, she gave the most openwolfing response I have ever seen from her.

Just let me know if I'm the only person who sees it this way, and I'll go back to shutting up.

I see it Long Con. Yeah, that was a bit weird honestly, after playing with Alison once before. But let's just forego this past omgus eh? (sweats)
Honestly though, I think it was just a lame POE read on you so let's move on from that, you can scumread me later on if you want but what about your other reads Long Con?

I didn't mean you!

Joseph, Hally, and tutuu, I have no idea. Their shells are too thick right now to penetrate, despite Joseph's raunchy and aggressive dancing.

Nanook, by his own admission, doesn't have much to offer. He saw that there was a lot of memes happening, and he got right on board, and I'd call that move >rand scum.

tedxtr looks pretty town, though I admit to skimming some of his longer posts recently. He's not just sheeping the main townreads that are being shared around, which I see as a good thing.

Cass, as I said, has the least to work with. I'm not that gung-ho about chopping low-posters, and some more thoughts would be nice, since his only opinion has been that chard's oft-discussed post is forced/weird.

i still don’t tr lc and would prefer him over chard

[Hally]

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

ya

[tedxtr]

Hally's not giving me any town pings, this is uncharted territory. This game's wolfy as shit man.

[Hally]

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

it really isn’t

[1612]

Hally's not giving me any town pings, this is uncharted territory. This game's wolfy as shit man.

haha i love your paranoia, real or not. i'm having a lot of fun XDDD

[tedxtr]

Hally's not giving me any town pings, this is uncharted territory. This game's wolfy as shit man.

haha i love your paranoia, real or not. i'm having a lot of fun XDDD

Why do you think it's paranoia? Do you have her as lock town status or something?

[Long Con]

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

it really isn’t

1612 agreed that it was.

[tedxtr]

The one thing I'm glad about and is making me feel more re-assured is that Hally doesn't want Chardonnay yeeted, I think that makes me more happy with my vote

[1612]

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

like, alison was her town alison self, 1612 is full of energy and is doing so much (this is my second game with him i dont exactly know his personality) and he's like completely different from last game where he was scum

Which game was that? A Syndicate game?

And unfortunately yes, it was a weird win honestly, I was extremely busy at the time of my first game with work so I couldn't commit to going back and forth and just resorted to paragraphs in bulk. Also, I had three players that I played with frequently from a mafia server so I was a bit nervous. Thankfully, one was afk and replaced, one was modkilled, one was scumread and voted off. It was a really weird win, I think all of them would have been able to find me out easily

[Long Con]

i still don’t tr lc and would prefer him over chard

I would prefer that you give me a chance. I can usually show my towniness better after a day or two.

[Hally]

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

like, alison was her town alison self, 1612 is full of energy and is doing so much (this is my second game with him i dont exactly know his personality) and he's like completely different from last game where he was scum

seriously anyone who doesn’t tr 1612, look at how he was as scum in lion king compared to here. he is town

[Hally]

I’m very tempted to vote Hally.

I feel like she could’ve TMI’d around 2 slots, early game Alison and chardonnay this time around.

Chardonnay’s reads are twisting the timeline for an omgus that any wolf can do, picking posts that look scummy on surface but don’t actually make someone more likely to flip scum and 2 reads that pertain to “i haven’t seen them do anything townie”

It’s very hard for me to comprehend how him as a town would have the me!take, especially when all of my posts are literally catch-ups in order. I think he’s TMIng me at an expense of a “townie” read, because he’s “thinking about the game”, but in reality, that take doesn’t have the supported evidence and it’s just a fart in the air.

Hally, please explain how chardonnay’s catchup is townie and also why you town read Alison early on, with as much detail as possible.

re: alison i felt she was towny in how she handled tutuu. i also vibed with her reads. just seemed like town!alison to me

re: char idk i’m not 100% sold on him being town but i didn’t have any issues with his catchup. the questioning was good, probably other stuff. don’t remember

what are your thoughts regarding my case on them?

idk after i catch up im gonna iso chard and see if i can see what you see

[1612]

Hally's not giving me any town pings, this is uncharted territory. This game's wolfy as shit man.

haha i love your paranoia, real or not. i'm having a lot of fun XDDD

Why do you think it's paranoia? Do you have her as lock town status or something?

Nope. It's uhhh going down a bit tbh umm idk I'd still say she is light blue but more red if this flips red, but I was referring to this comment. I feel like everyone is super town and you think everyone is wolfy haha.

[Hally]

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

like, alison was her town alison self, 1612 is full of energy and is doing so much (this is my second game with him i dont exactly know his personality) and he's like completely different from last game where he was scum

Which game was that? A Syndicate game?

lion king

[1612]

I mean I am going to play differently than my last game, mafia or not. I have a lot more time :P

[tedxtr]

Hally's not giving me any town pings, this is uncharted territory. This game's wolfy as shit man.

haha i love your paranoia, real or not. i'm having a lot of fun XDDD

Why do you think it's paranoia? Do you have her as lock town status or something?

Nope. It's uhhh going down a bit tbh umm idk I'd still say she is light blue but more red if this flips red, but I was referring to this comment. I feel like everyone is super town and you think everyone is wolfy haha.

I either am on a very right track or you all are and to a contrarian like me, this makes me feel good about my reads, especially when I look at reads and go "wtf am I looking at?"

[Hally]

Hally's not giving me any town pings, this is uncharted territory. This game's wolfy as shit man.

i’m very tired and cranky rn sorry

can you talk to me about lc?

[Hally]

The one thing I'm glad about and is making me feel more re-assured is that Hally doesn't want Chardonnay yeeted, I think that makes me more happy with my vote

yes, but the premise of this read is that i’m scum, which is bad and wrong

[tedxtr]

Hally's not giving me any town pings, this is uncharted territory. This game's wolfy as shit man.

i’m very tired and cranky rn sorry

can you talk to me about lc?

He's in the same pool as mac,tutuu,you,casso. Do you want me to look at anything specific, or why'd you ask?

[Hally]

i still don’t tr lc and would prefer him over chard

I would prefer that you give me a chance. I can usually show my towniness better after a day or two.

ok. please compare 1612 in this game to lion king and tell me why he’s scummy. like, what is the reason for your vote?

[Long Con]

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

like, alison was her town alison self, 1612 is full of energy and is doing so much (this is my second game with him i dont exactly know his personality) and he's like completely different from last game where he was scum

Which game was that? A Syndicate game?

lion king

I see the difference, way lower energy level and level of interaction on Day 1. And some damn huge posts that read like a boring lecture.

1612 does say that's NAI, but I'm starting to feel you here.

What do you think of Nanook?

[tedxtr]

I do remember thinking to myself that I associate LC's shitposts during the me-mac time with more of a town tell because I find him very calculated as scum and I think he has an easier time as town, but it's probably a bad read.

[Hally]

I mean I am going to play differently than my last game, mafia or not. I have a lot more time :P

it has nothing to do with more time. your energy is totally different and you’re way more solvey here

[Long Con]

i still don’t tr lc and would prefer him over chard

I would prefer that you give me a chance. I can usually show my towniness better after a day or two.

ok. please compare 1612 in this game to lion king and tell me why he’s scummy. like, what is the reason for your vote?

Ha, I was already doing it. The reason for my vote is already in the thread, and it's Alison-based, not 1612.

[tedxtr]

Actually, yeah, that may have been it because I didn't put him in the same pool that I put all my nulls on. Should prolly read him at some point but he doesn't strike me as scum off what I read.

[Hally]

Hally's not giving me any town pings, this is uncharted territory. This game's wolfy as shit man.

i’m very tired and cranky rn sorry

can you talk to me about lc?

He's in the same pool as mac,tutuu,you,casso. Do you want me to look at anything specific, or why'd you ask?

idk do you think he’s like town!lc?

[1612]

And some damn huge posts that read like a boring lecture.

yeahhh lmaooo, that was my first forum game, was rough to make those up gah

[Long Con]

I do remember thinking to myself that I associate LC's shitposts during the me-mac time with more of a town tell because I find him very calculated as scum and I think he has an easier time as town, but it's probably a bad read.

I don't think it's a town tell for me. It's usually what I do when catching up - respond to things as I go if I have something to say.

[Hally]

not too sure on who are the wolves but 1612 shouldnt be at risk of yeeting. there are 2 votes on him and he's obv town imo

Yeah but your town read is, like, based on personality...?

like, alison was her town alison self, 1612 is full of energy and is doing so much (this is my second game with him i dont exactly know his personality) and he's like completely different from last game where he was scum

Which game was that? A Syndicate game?

lion king

I see the difference, way lower energy level and level of interaction on Day 1. And some damn huge posts that read like a boring lecture.

1612 does say that's NAI, but I'm starting to feel you here.

What do you think of Nanook?

i have no idea on nook. gth town for asking for iso links and generally seeming like he doesn’t care. i think he cares a bit more as scum. but im not really gonna defend this read. he probably won’t be readable until later

[Hally]

I do remember thinking to myself that I associate LC's shitposts during the me-mac time with more of a town tell because I find him very calculated as scum and I think he has an easier time as town, but it's probably a bad read.

i don’t think he has an easier time as town. it’s the opposite afaik

[Hally]

i still don’t tr lc and would prefer him over chard

I would prefer that you give me a chance. I can usually show my towniness better after a day or two.

ok. please compare 1612 in this game to lion king and tell me why he’s scummy. like, what is the reason for your vote?

Ha, I was already doing it. The reason for my vote is already in the thread, and it's Alison-based, not 1612.

ok. where will you move your vote?

[tedxtr]

Hally's not giving me any town pings, this is uncharted territory. This game's wolfy as shit man.

i’m very tired and cranky rn sorry

can you talk to me about lc?

He's in the same pool as mac,tutuu,you,casso. Do you want me to look at anything specific, or why'd you ask?

idk do you think he’s like town!lc?

Off my limited perception of what town!LC is like, I did think he was townie.

Either way I don't really see anything scum indicative so that's enough to make "don't yeet D1 list"

[Long Con]

i still don’t tr lc and would prefer him over chard

I would prefer that you give me a chance. I can usually show my towniness better after a day or two.

ok. please compare 1612 in this game to lion king and tell me why he’s scummy. like, what is the reason for your vote?

Ha, I was already doing it. The reason for my vote is already in the thread, and it's Alison-based, not 1612.

ok. where will you move your vote?

I would vote chard among the popular folks, Nanook if I saw it go that way.

[Long Con]

Hally's not giving me any town pings, this is uncharted territory. This game's wolfy as shit man.

i’m very tired and cranky rn sorry

can you talk to me about lc?

He's in the same pool as mac,tutuu,you,casso. Do you want me to look at anything specific, or why'd you ask?

idk do you think he’s like town!lc?

Off my limited perception of what town!LC is like, I did think he was townie.

Either way I don't really see anything scum indicative so that's enough to make "don't yeet D1 list"

Do you wanna look at some of MY scum games?

[tedxtr]

I do remember thinking to myself that I associate LC's shitposts during the me-mac time with more of a town tell because I find him very calculated as scum and I think he has an easier time as town, but it's probably a bad read.

i don’t think he has an easier time as town. it’s the opposite afaik

he has a harder time as town??