The Syndicate

How have I twisted and misinterpreted every single post of yours? Show me. What have I misunderstood?

Scotty wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:People who are voting for Elo: Why are you doing this?

I'm not. Lots of posting last night. I have read through, now I'll go back and do a couple of responses. I'd vote for Scotty. Not for Epi. Not for Eloh. Not prepared to slam it down on Sloonei/MP right now. Indiglo may be bad, I don't have a good read there right now, but I'll vote indi to save any of the folks I listed as not bad.

Why would you vote for me, Shorty?

Little things. Your barefoot like moose comment felt like a soft roleclaim that was sketchy and gave me a ping. I'd have to go back and really put together why, part of it is recalling your actions on Day 0/1 as questionable.

I know that's not anything solid. Guess you'd call it a gut feel.

I made this up just now.

The Seattle Seahawks went to Golden Corral. The cashier insisted that Earl Thomas go to the buffet ahead of the rest of the team. Marshawn Lynch angrily demanded to know why.

"Safety first," the cashier said.

How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Upon seeing the kill, I was transported back to another llamagame, Frisky Dingo, in which the Mafia consciously took out people who were not participating or were not participating much.

The mafia team there consisted of Cookie, S~V~S, Russtifinko, Movingpictures07, and ika.

Only two of those are present here. You'd have to ask yourself if either of them would employ the same rationale for kills as before.

Speculating on NKs is useless. Anyone could have killed anyone else in any game.

And yet, several people had the same thoughts about who would kill a non-player. Why would that happen? I think it can often be useless to speculate on Night 1 kills, but in this instance, I think it shows certain things about the mindset of the killer.

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Upon seeing the kill, I was transported back to another llamagame, Frisky Dingo, in which the Mafia consciously took out people who were not participating or were not participating much.

The mafia team there consisted of Cookie, S~V~S, Russtifinko, Movingpictures07, and ika.

Only two of those are present here. You'd have to ask yourself if either of them would employ the same rationale for kills as before.

Speculating on NKs is useless. Anyone could have killed anyone else in any game.

And yet, several people had the same thoughts about who would kill a non-player. Why would that happen? I think it can often be useless to speculate on Night 1 kills, but in this instance, I think it shows certain things about the mindset of the killer.

What certain things?

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Well maybe she had a CFD on her on the last 30 minutes- because why not- and was too busy trying to defend herself.

Ugh. What an ugly, smelly result.

Wow we're sheep.

Sigh. RIP indi. Sorry I was wrong.

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:People who are voting for Elo: Why are you doing this?

I'm not. Lots of posting last night. I have read through, now I'll go back and do a couple of responses. I'd vote for Scotty. Not for Epi. Not for Eloh. Not prepared to slam it down on Sloonei/MP right now. Indiglo may be bad, I don't have a good read there right now, but I'll vote indi to save any of the folks I listed as not bad.

Why would you vote for me, Shorty?

Little things. Your barefoot like moose comment felt like a soft roleclaim that was sketchy and gave me a ping. I'd have to go back and really put together why, part of it is recalling your actions on Day 0/1 as questionable.

I know that's not anything solid. Guess you'd call it a gut feel.

lol @ role claim. I don't role claim, never have.
All right. I'll take a gut read i guess. My day 1 (and largely day 2) have been pretty blendy due to timing, I'll admit. Let me know when you want to go throw darts and talk about reads or something tho bro.

Linki: you've got to be shitting me

Awww Sorry indiglo

Guess I'll have to start reevaluation process. Better give my work attention now though. See you all for d3.

Moving forward, can we please have less "I have to vote to save X so let's scramble last minute" and more reasoned analysis? Even in Rocky & Bullwinkle, there was Mr. Peabody.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess I'll have to start reevaluation process. Better give my work attention now though. See you all for d3.

Gets civ lynched.

Peace out homies.

Hopefully I'll get more into this game day 3. I've felt really not into it so far

I actually had a post typed out I had to delete due to link with Llama.

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who wants a CFD?

Let's CFD Epi, indiglo, or Long Con please.

Sorsha is also on my suspect list. Just had a look at her posts this game, and it's pretty lean, and yet she was Cheers-ing the CFD idea. Why, Sorsha?

Shit!! I missed the vote. I was doing school with the kids and then got carried away talking with a lady about a wedding cake for August (-a Harry Potter/Hobbit/Scott Pilgrim theme). SMH!

I will now read the last 5 pages that I missed.

What just happened?

Sloonei wrote:What just happened?

MP happened.

Okay. Elohcin was fucking saved. You've got everyone who voted for indiglo out of nowhere for no reason, you've got MP who switched his vote from indiglo to Epi while still advocating that indiglo would be a better lynch than Eloh when keeping his vote on indiglo would have put indiglo at the lead at the time, (waffly, just a little bit waffly that is...just a tiny bit) you've got Scotty's vote for MP with reasons he couldn't seem to decide, and my personal favorite of them all, you've got Long Con going from his Elohcin vote to saying that he won't accept an Elohcin lynch and then switching to Scotty, effectively sealing indiglo's lynch. So the Elohcin lynch doesn't happen in favor of - surprise - a mislynch. A mislynch of a player that wasn't even talked about as suspicious before very near the end of the day and didn't arrive until it was practically too late to defend against the "thin air" (as she accurately put it) that her mislynch was. I especially loved it when MP asked for indiglo to give him content - when she was already trying to catch up and respond to his non-case - less than ten minutes before the day ended. I think indiglo hit the nail on the head right here:

indiglo wrote: I don't have time to respond to it all MP. Well played. I almost didn't make it on here this morning, but I had a few minutes so I came on. You have twisted and misinterpreted every single post of mine you've quoted.

I am now thinking he may be FL - who survives his first death. That's why he said "kill me instead of sloon." Then he opportunistically jumped on me instead, because why waste your first survival this early?

Get your shit together, town. And way to completely annihilate my town read of you MP. This was the last nail in your-chances-of-being-town's coffin:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Here you're expecting her to catch up, respond to your defense, deliver content, and leave behind a legacy post (I'm guessing a rainbow list) in less than three fucking minutes. Are you shitting me? Scotty answered this better than I could.

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Well maybe she had a CFD on her on the last 30 minutes- because why not- and was too busy trying to defend herself.

"Why not" is fucking right. But you could have stopped it Scotty, and you didn't. If you had switched to Eloh then indiglo might have had a chance, but you didn't seem to care, too busy with your MP vote that didn't change anything and you knew that it wouldn't. I would be reading everyone but sprityo as bad right now but even sprityo seemed shady with his Eloh vote. Maybe he thought that her lynch was more likely at the time, so he contributed to her didn't-end-up-happening lynch for some town cred? Maybe. So everyone's bad, basically. Not everyone is anti-town but everyone's playing like it, fucking hell.

a2thezebra wrote:Okay. Elohcin was fucking saved. You've got everyone who voted for indiglo out of nowhere for no reason, you've got MP who switched his vote from indiglo to Epi while still advocating that indiglo would be a better lynch than Eloh when keeping his vote on indiglo would have put indiglo at the lead at the time, (waffly, just a little bit waffly that is...just a tiny bit) you've got Scotty's vote for MP with reasons he couldn't seem to decide, and my personal favorite of them all, you've got Long Con going from his Elohcin vote to saying that he won't accept an Elohcin lynch and then switching to Scotty, effectively sealing indiglo's lynch. So the Elohcin lynch doesn't happen in favor of - surprise - a mislynch. A mislynch of a player that wasn't even talked about as suspicious before very near the end of the day and didn't arrive until it was practically too late to defend against the "thin air" (as she accurately put it) that her mislynch was. I especially loved it when MP asked for indiglo to give him content - when she was already trying to catch up and respond to his non-case - less than ten minutes before the day ended. I think indiglo hit the nail on the head right here:

indiglo wrote: I don't have time to respond to it all MP. Well played. I almost didn't make it on here this morning, but I had a few minutes so I came on. You have twisted and misinterpreted every single post of mine you've quoted.

I am now thinking he may be FL - who survives his first death. That's why he said "kill me instead of sloon." Then he opportunistically jumped on me instead, because why waste your first survival this early?

Get your shit together, town. And way to completely annihilate my town read of you MP. This was the last nail in your-chances-of-being-town's coffin:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Here you're expecting her to catch up, respond to your defense, deliver content, and leave behind a legacy post (I'm guessing a rainbow list) in less than three fucking minutes. Are you shitting me? Scotty answered this better than I could.

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Well maybe she had a CFD on her on the last 30 minutes- because why not- and was too busy trying to defend herself.

"Why not" is fucking right. But you could have stopped it Scotty, and you didn't. If you had switched to Eloh then indiglo might have had a chance, but you didn't seem to care, too busy with your MP vote that didn't change anything and you knew that it wouldn't. I would be reading everyone but sprityo as bad right now but even sprityo seemed shady with his Eloh vote. Maybe he thought that her lynch was more likely at the time, so he contributed to her didn't-end-up-happening lynch for some town cred? Maybe. So everyone's bad, basically. Not everyone is anti-town but everyone's playing like it, fucking hell.

Eloh would have resulted in a mislynch too.

Epignosis wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Okay. Elohcin was fucking saved. You've got everyone who voted for indiglo out of nowhere for no reason, you've got MP who switched his vote from indiglo to Epi while still advocating that indiglo would be a better lynch than Eloh when keeping his vote on indiglo would have put indiglo at the lead at the time, (waffly, just a little bit waffly that is...just a tiny bit) you've got Scotty's vote for MP with reasons he couldn't seem to decide, and my personal favorite of them all, you've got Long Con going from his Elohcin vote to saying that he won't accept an Elohcin lynch and then switching to Scotty, effectively sealing indiglo's lynch. So the Elohcin lynch doesn't happen in favor of - surprise - a mislynch. A mislynch of a player that wasn't even talked about as suspicious before very near the end of the day and didn't arrive until it was practically too late to defend against the "thin air" (as she accurately put it) that her mislynch was. I especially loved it when MP asked for indiglo to give him content - when she was already trying to catch up and respond to his non-case - less than ten minutes before the day ended. I think indiglo hit the nail on the head right here:

indiglo wrote: I don't have time to respond to it all MP. Well played. I almost didn't make it on here this morning, but I had a few minutes so I came on. You have twisted and misinterpreted every single post of mine you've quoted.

I am now thinking he may be FL - who survives his first death. That's why he said "kill me instead of sloon." Then he opportunistically jumped on me instead, because why waste your first survival this early?

Get your shit together, town. And way to completely annihilate my town read of you MP. This was the last nail in your-chances-of-being-town's coffin:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Here you're expecting her to catch up, respond to your defense, deliver content, and leave behind a legacy post (I'm guessing a rainbow list) in less than three fucking minutes. Are you shitting me? Scotty answered this better than I could.

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Well maybe she had a CFD on her on the last 30 minutes- because why not- and was too busy trying to defend herself.

"Why not" is fucking right. But you could have stopped it Scotty, and you didn't. If you had switched to Eloh then indiglo might have had a chance, but you didn't seem to care, too busy with your MP vote that didn't change anything and you knew that it wouldn't. I would be reading everyone but sprityo as bad right now but even sprityo seemed shady with his Eloh vote. Maybe he thought that her lynch was more likely at the time, so he contributed to her didn't-end-up-happening lynch for some town cred? Maybe. So everyone's bad, basically. Not everyone is anti-town but everyone's playing like it, fucking hell.

Eloh would have resulted in a mislynch too.

Yeah, looking at how the posting went down, I have to agree here. I made an assumption, and it was a very, very wrong assumption. I think your assumption is the correct one.

a2thezebra wrote:

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Well maybe she had a CFD on her on the last 30 minutes- because why not- and was too busy trying to defend herself.

"Why not" is fucking right. But you could have stopped it Scotty, and you didn't. If you had switched to Eloh then indiglo might have had a chance, but you didn't seem to care, too busy with your MP vote that didn't change anything and you knew that it wouldn't. I would be reading everyone but sprityo as bad right now but even sprityo seemed shady with his Eloh vote. Maybe he thought that her lynch was more likely at the time, so he contributed to her didn't-end-up-happening lynch for some town cred? Maybe. So everyone's bad, basically. Not everyone is anti-town but everyone's playing like it, fucking hell.

But see, I didn't see Elo as worthy of a lynch. I didn't even know if indiglo was bad, but I happened to agree with her ideas. I was just voting for the person I thought really set off my warning bells.

In essence, MP did the same thing he did on D1- make a game-turning move that brought about a mislynch. Yes, his time is constrained, and I realize that. But I find it coincidental that he was (IMO) responsible for sending Sig to the grim reaper with the tieing vote, and then indiglo to the great squirrel heaven from an initial suspicion that I viewed to be baseless, very close to the deadline. I don't know yet if he was just trying to save himself, Sloonei, or someone else, but I don't think MP has done any favors for himself over the past 2 daysx

Why did we lynch dat dood? I specifically stated that Epi was the baddie.

DrWilgy wrote:Why did we lynch dat dood? I specifically stated that Epi was the baddie.

I am all caught up but don't have much time.

I don't like the way that lynch went down and obviously that result is less than ideal, but I don't see MP as bad because of it. That would be a strange as hell move for scum to pull. I also have town reads on Elohcin and SVS. I'd say the same for Zebra, but I'm never doing that again.
I still think Scotty should have been lynched, and nothing he's said at any point has swayed my opinion in any way. The only other time we played together (Bullets Over Broadway) he was a clear town read for me all game long. Granted that was over half a year ago and I have barely played any mafia since.

I'm also struggling to see Epi as good right now, but he's not a strong scum read either. If I had more time I'd ask questions. I'd be surprised if none of the people on that indiglo wagon were bad. Sorsha or Epi would be my first guesses. I don't know how to read niju.

Host: Can players with forced votes reveal it after the lynch is over? That would be nice information to have.

It is possible that there is a code that Boris and Natasha used to notify Fearless Leader of who they were. If it was too clumsy or obvious, we may be able to spot it.

Sloonei wrote:I don't know how to read niju.

Protip: She's good.

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:She's fooled me once in three years.

Haha, this is great! B/c I believe I've fooled Mr. TH a time or two more than once I love fooling TH b/c I think he is such a good player and when I can fool him I know I'm doing a good job.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elohcin is an incredibly convenient target for most baddie teams because she's so easy to get lynched. She's low hanging fruit.

but so true.

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess I'll have to start reevaluation process. Better give my work attention now though. See you all for d3.

Gets civ lynched.

Peace out homies.

This is EXACTLY how I interpreted MP's post as well.

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess I'll have to start reevaluation process. Better give my work attention now though. See you all for d3.

Gets civ lynched.

Peace out homies.

Not willing to take responsibility for your own vote?

Consider my eye on you much more heavily going into d3.

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who wants a CFD?

Let's CFD Epi, indiglo, or Long Con please.

Sorsha is also on my suspect list. Just had a look at her posts this game, and it's pretty lean, and yet she was Cheers-ing the CFD idea. Why, Sorsha?

I'd like an answer to this as well.

a2thezebra wrote:Okay. Elohcin was fucking saved. You've got everyone who voted for indiglo out of nowhere for no reason, you've got MP who switched his vote from indiglo to Epi while still advocating that indiglo would be a better lynch than Eloh when keeping his vote on indiglo would have put indiglo at the lead at the time, (waffly, just a little bit waffly that is...just a tiny bit) you've got Scotty's vote for MP with reasons he couldn't seem to decide, and my personal favorite of them all, you've got Long Con going from his Elohcin vote to saying that he won't accept an Elohcin lynch and then switching to Scotty, effectively sealing indiglo's lynch. So the Elohcin lynch doesn't happen in favor of - surprise - a mislynch. A mislynch of a player that wasn't even talked about as suspicious before very near the end of the day and didn't arrive until it was practically too late to defend against the "thin air" (as she accurately put it) that her mislynch was. I especially loved it when MP asked for indiglo to give him content - when she was already trying to catch up and respond to his non-case - less than ten minutes before the day ended. I think indiglo hit the nail on the head right here:

indiglo wrote: I don't have time to respond to it all MP. Well played. I almost didn't make it on here this morning, but I had a few minutes so I came on. You have twisted and misinterpreted every single post of mine you've quoted.

I am now thinking he may be FL - who survives his first death. That's why he said "kill me instead of sloon." Then he opportunistically jumped on me instead, because why waste your first survival this early?

Get your shit together, town. And way to completely annihilate my town read of you MP. This was the last nail in your-chances-of-being-town's coffin:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Here you're expecting her to catch up, respond to your defense, deliver content, and leave behind a legacy post (I'm guessing a rainbow list) in less than three fucking minutes. Are you shitting me? Scotty answered this better than I could.

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Well maybe she had a CFD on her on the last 30 minutes- because why not- and was too busy trying to defend herself.

"Why not" is fucking right. But you could have stopped it Scotty, and you didn't. If you had switched to Eloh then indiglo might have had a chance, but you didn't seem to care, too busy with your MP vote that didn't change anything and you knew that it wouldn't. I would be reading everyone but sprityo as bad right now but even sprityo seemed shady with his Eloh vote. Maybe he thought that her lynch was more likely at the time, so he contributed to her didn't-end-up-happening lynch for some town cred? Maybe. So everyone's bad, basically. Not everyone is anti-town but everyone's playing like it, fucking hell.

This is incredibly patronizing after the fact. It's easy to come in after the fact and criticize.

Yes, I realize perhaps I was being unfair to indiglo, but I will always be the first to recognize it was a CFD, which inevitably means it was last minute and not planned. I was hoping to get at least something out of indiglo before she died other than "you're bad lol", but I didn't.

At least I tried. You were town reading me when I wasn't playing, but now that I'm trying to play you think I'm bad? What incentive does that give me to continue trying?

I'm pretty sure the mafia stayed out of scrutiny and with votes off of them this lynch.

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Scotty wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?

Well maybe she had a CFD on her on the last 30 minutes- because why not- and was too busy trying to defend herself.

"Why not" is fucking right. But you could have stopped it Scotty, and you didn't. If you had switched to Eloh then indiglo might have had a chance, but you didn't seem to care, too busy with your MP vote that didn't change anything and you knew that it wouldn't. I would be reading everyone but sprityo as bad right now but even sprityo seemed shady with his Eloh vote. Maybe he thought that her lynch was more likely at the time, so he contributed to her didn't-end-up-happening lynch for some town cred? Maybe. So everyone's bad, basically. Not everyone is anti-town but everyone's playing like it, fucking hell.

But see, I didn't see Elo as worthy of a lynch. I didn't even know if indiglo was bad, but I happened to agree with her ideas. I was just voting for the person I thought really set off my warning bells.

In essence, MP did the same thing he did on D1- make a game-turning move that brought about a mislynch. Yes, his time is constrained, and I realize that. But I find it coincidental that he was (IMO) responsible for sending Sig to the grim reaper with the tieing vote, and then indiglo to the great squirrel heaven from an initial suspicion that I viewed to be baseless, very close to the deadline. I don't know yet if he was just trying to save himself, Sloonei, or someone else, but I don't think MP has done any favors for himself over the past 2 daysx

I'm trying to hunt given my RL limitations, yes; if you think it's nefarious, by all means, case me. I'm more than happy to respond to any concerns that anyone has of me.

And how can you not know if you were trying to save Sloonei, myself, or someone else? Big eye to you there, Scotty. I came into the thread yelling DON'T VOTE SLOONEI. Is it not evident that I was trying to save Sloonei then?

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I don't know how to read niju.

Protip: She's good.

Can you elaborate on this in any way? I know you can read her and Elo well, but it'd be nice for me to understand where your thought process is coming, rather than just something to the effect of "trust me, they're good, and anybody could tell if they read the thread".

Elohcin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess I'll have to start reevaluation process. Better give my work attention now though. See you all for d3.

Gets civ lynched.

Peace out homies.

This is EXACTLY how I interpreted MP's post as well.

And what of it? What's the point -- how does it affect your read of me? Otherwise, this comment gives the indication that you're contributing when you're not really providing any game-related opinion.

Also, I somewhat disagree with Sloonei. I think it's entirely possible the mafia team sat back and watched the indiglo CFD happen and laughed their asses off. There could be a mafia or two on it, sure, but I won't discount the possibility that they all voted elsewhere. Because who would want their hands on that disastrous mislynch?

Night 2 rainbow list:

Sloonei

a2thezebra
Epignosis

S~V~S
Elohcin

bea
sprityo
sabie12

nijuukyugou
Sorsha
DrWilgy

Long Con
Scotty

Need to do some investigation going into d3, but I've already spent way too more time goofing off today than I should be.

Also, can my yellow reads please come in here and post more? I can't judge your content because there's not enough of it. Thanks.

GTH mafia team right now: Sorsha, Long Con, and Scotty is seeming to be a very real possibility.

Why am I pink MP?

I think I'm better off as a magenta or white.

Long Con wrote:Host: Can players with forced votes reveal it after the lynch is over? That would be nice information to have.

It is possible that there is a code that Boris and Natasha used to notify Fearless Leader of who they were. If it was too clumsy or obvious, we may be able to spot it.

Yeah, okay. If you really want to. But you don't have to tell the truth.

Lalala ~

DrWilgy wrote:Why am I pink MP?

I think I'm better off as a magenta or white.

Because you're pretty in pink, baby.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I don't know how to read niju.

Protip: She's good.

Can you elaborate on this in any way? I know you can read her and Elo well, but it'd be nice for me to understand where your thought process is coming, rather than just something to the effect of "trust me, they're good, and anybody could tell if they read the thread".

If I can read them well, then it isn't a thought process I can explain, is it?