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Hey zeebs, is it directed at me at all?a2thezebra wrote:Sorry that you were on the receiving end of that outburst, my anger is directed at town in general and not you specifically whatsoever.Polo wrote:Holy crap. I'm going to bed, bye.
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To an extent, yes, because I feel like you've been letting your confusion lead to anger way too easily in this game. You tried to antagonize me earlier just for acting weird, and responded to my support of you with hostility and distrust. Distrust I get, but the hostility? I don't think it's warranted at all.Long Con wrote:Hey zeebs, is it directed at me at all?a2thezebra wrote:Sorry that you were on the receiving end of that outburst, my anger is directed at town in general and not you specifically whatsoever.Polo wrote:Holy crap. I'm going to bed, bye.
Understanding.a2thezebra wrote:Got me red-handed or the more understanding type of got?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra I got you.
Whew.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Understanding.a2thezebra wrote:Got me red-handed or the more understanding type of got?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra I got you.
Ok, well look at it from my perspctive. I'm in the midst of getting accused of things, and you show up, claiming impossible thing in support of me. It's like, some crazy loose cannon shows up in support of me, this is going to do more harm than good for me! I don't know why you would say that I'm a confirmed Civ. As far as I know, nothing has happened to confirm my Civviness. Can't you understand, he level of seeming randomness with which you declare peoiple Conirmed Anything makes it feel very suspicious?? Just level with me, please!a2thezebra wrote:To an extent, yes, because I feel like you've been letting your confusion lead to anger way too easily in this game. You tried to antagonize me earlier just for acting weird, and responded to my support of you with hostility and distrust. Distrust I get, but the hostility? I don't think it's warranted at all.Long Con wrote:Hey zeebs, is it directed at me at all?a2thezebra wrote:Sorry that you were on the receiving end of that outburst, my anger is directed at town in general and not you specifically whatsoever.Polo wrote:Holy crap. I'm going to bed, bye.
So now that we're on the same uh... you know, the same wavelength. Why don't you tell me what you think about uh... all of this?a2thezebra wrote:Whew.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Understanding.a2thezebra wrote:Got me red-handed or the more understanding type of got?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra I got you.
I have tried to look at it from your perspective and I still can't see how your dismissiveness (the red zig-zags under that word mean nothing to me) is remotely justified. You're asking me to see things your way but you've made no attempt, or even a hint of an attempt, to see things from my point of view. I sympathize with your worry that "some crazy loose cannon" will only make things worse for you, but that would be an irrational fear even if I hadn't been claiming "impossible" things in support of a few others as well.Long Con wrote:Ok, well look at it from my perspctive. I'm in the midst of getting accused of things, and you show up, claiming impossible thing in support of me. It's like, some crazy loose cannon shows up in support of me, this is going to do more harm than good for me! I don't know why you would say that I'm a confirmed Civ. As far as I know, nothing has happened to confirm my Civviness. Can't you understand, he level of seeming randomness with which you declare peoiple Conirmed Anything makes it feel very suspicious?? Just level with me, please!a2thezebra wrote:To an extent, yes, because I feel like you've been letting your confusion lead to anger way too easily in this game. You tried to antagonize me earlier just for acting weird, and responded to my support of you with hostility and distrust. Distrust I get, but the hostility? I don't think it's warranted at all.Long Con wrote:Hey zeebs, is it directed at me at all?a2thezebra wrote:Sorry that you were on the receiving end of that outburst, my anger is directed at town in general and not you specifically whatsoever.Polo wrote:Holy crap. I'm going to bed, bye.
I like to think I am Distracted Jeff.Ricochet wrote:fiord don't get why role unvarying are instanter major issue right now or what Mad Hatter livret trying intercessory point at. I obligor they are primarily location-related, sabulous seems strenghtened by the event of votograph hustler CHANGING colors, aka location. What scum there more anticlimax be seen to setup?
Kate final call EVER for people to pilferer discuss SeptemberValentine Long Con was CHECKED Cylon by a player choky anagoge game or not? plainclothesman (mostly) everyone Distracted Jeff not to give two outward about this story, then I don't protected anymore and Man-E-Faces can simply lose, restlessness they let Long Con Krewlod with this.
A dull ISO is kind of what I'd expect from someone in your position. You certainly have hit the ground running.Dex wrote:But this is a good thing, yeah? I could have coasted for a while on the typical (and understandable) "I'm just trying to catch up" posts that replacement players are prone to post, particularly in this avalanche of a game. I was ready to hit the ground running and did so. Otherwise this would be a rather dull ISO.
Exercise time: for just a moment, erase all notions of that claiming business from your mind. Tell me who your suspects are.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:While I find the Unclaimers to be inherently suspicious, particularly those with weak reasons, I am not relying on solely on this for my reads. That particular post which you quote, however, was just the list LC+Undeclared, on where I was inclined to place my vote today.
Are you requesting that Gaius reveal publicly if he has checked me as Cylon or not?Ricochet wrote:fiord don't get why role unvarying are instanter major issue right now or what Mad Hatter livret trying intercessory point at. I obligor they are primarily location-related, sabulous seems strenghtened by the event of votograph hustler CHANGING colors, aka location. What scum there more anticlimax be seen to setup?
Kate final call EVER for people to pilferer discuss SeptemberValentine Long Con was CHECKED Cylon by a player choky anagoge game or not? plainclothesman (mostly) everyone Distracted Jeff not to give two outward about this story, then I don't protected anymore and Man-E-Faces can simply lose, restlessness they let Long Con Krewlod with this.
I gotta get to bed... but who are you asking this of??JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Exercise time: for just a moment, erase all notions of that claiming business from your mind. Tell me who your suspects are.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:While I find the Unclaimers to be inherently suspicious, particularly those with weak reasons, I am not relying on solely on this for my reads. That particular post which you quote, however, was just the list LC+Undeclared, on where I was inclined to place my vote today.
lol oops. I screwed the quotes, the top quote is Dex not me.Long Con wrote:I gotta get to bed... but who are you asking this of??JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Exercise time: for just a moment, erase all notions of that claiming business from your mind. Tell me who your suspects are.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:While I find the Unclaimers to be inherently suspicious, particularly those with weak reasons, I am not relying on solely on this for my reads. That particular post which you quote, however, was just the list LC+Undeclared, on where I was inclined to place my vote today.
No. I'm requesting tillage people discuss if good guy HAS already Big Daddy (Bouncer) unexcited.Long Con wrote:Are you requesting that Gaius reveal publicly if he has checked me as Cylon or not?Ricochet wrote:fiord don't get why role unvarying are instanter major issue right now or what Mad Hatter livret trying intercessory point at. I obligor they are primarily location-related, sabulous seems strenghtened by the event of votograph hustler CHANGING colors, aka location. What scum there more anticlimax be seen to setup?
Kate final call EVER for people to pilferer discuss SeptemberValentine Long Con was CHECKED Cylon by a player choky anagoge game or not? plainclothesman (mostly) everyone Distracted Jeff not to give two outward about this story, then I don't protected anymore and Man-E-Faces can simply lose, restlessness they let Long Con Krewlod with this.
Whyfore Vompatti?a2thezebra wrote:sig of course, Vompatti, ObscureAllure, Drum Beats, and juliets, but not as nearly as much as the other four. Good night.
I'd be more than happy to answer your question my friend. I have had bad vibes about IAWY/DrWilgey since the beginning for reasons that I've already explained. I still find IAWY's remarks about me to be incomprehensible in light of my previous experiences with him. I'm not certain what it says but it's given me sufficient reason for suspicion. I'm mildly suspicious of Drumbeats for a post he made after that GTH exercise the other day. From my recollection, his list read more like an aggregated list of the suspicions of the players who took part in the GTH at the time. I admit that's hardly conclusive but looking back, it seems his reads are generally a little all over the place which (to me) looks peculiar because he is clearly a very capable player. And lastly, again, not a strong choice by any means but I don't recall seeing any contribution from Vompatti that really stands out all game. Again, looking back at his ISO, there's not a lot of content there to speak of and I've heard it said (from informed sources) that's apparently a bad look...JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Exercise time: for just a moment, erase all notions of that claiming business from your mind. Tell me who your suspects are.
You are correct that there is not much previous relevant content to admire, nevertheless I find it for now unpingworthy. What informed sources are you referencing? If this should count as a bad look, I frankly have no idea what would count as a good look in what Vompatti usually plays. Probably him dumping any civrole information he acquires, like he did in E.S.T., but that's apparently not the case in this game.Glorfindel wrote:I'd be more than happy to answer your question my friend. I have had bad vibes about IAWY/DrWilgey since the beginning for reasons that I've already explained. I still find IAWY's remarks about me to be incomprehensible in light of my previous experiences with him. I'm not certain what it says but it's given me sufficient reason for suspicion. I'm mildly suspicious of Drumbeats for a post he made after that GTH exercise the other day. From my recollection, his list read more like an aggregated list of the suspicions of the players who took part in the GTH at the time. I admit that's hardly conclusive but looking back, it seems his reads are generally a little all over the place which (to me) looks peculiar because he is clearly a very capable player. And lastly, again, not a strong choice by any means but I don't recall seeing any contribution from Vompatti that really stands out all game. Again, looking back at his ISO, there's not a lot of content there to speak of and I've heard it said (from informed sources) that's apparently a bad look...JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Exercise time: for just a moment, erase all notions of that claiming business from your mind. Tell me who your suspects are.
Yeah you're probably right. The reason I always suspect him is that I was wrong about him for at least two games because I suspected him and he was town, and then in the next game I played with him I didn't suspect him at all and he was mafia. So because of this I just always strongly suspect him just in case.Glorfindel wrote:@Zebs: May I please enquire about why you think our friend Sig is so suspicious? I'm just concerned that in my limited experience on this site, I can't recall a game in which the three of us played where you two weren't going at each other. I know he's said he's suspicious of you and I think he's wrong. Whilst I respect your opinion, it feels to me that you may have read him wrongly too.
a2thezebra wrote:Yeah you're probably right. The reason I always suspect him is that I was wrong about him for at least two games because I suspected him and he was town, and then in the next game I played with him I didn't suspect him at all and he was mafia. So because of this I just always strongly suspect him just in case.Glorfindel wrote:@Zebs: May I please enquire about why you think our friend Sig is so suspicious? I'm just concerned that in my limited experience on this site, I can't recall a game in which the three of us played where you two weren't going at each other. I know he's said he's suspicious of you and I think he's wrong. Whilst I respect your opinion, it feels to me that you may have read him wrongly too.
Yes, I've been there too, my friend. I genuinely think I can tell the difference now though...How can anybody be "more than happy?" Sounds like a psychological disorder.Glorfindel wrote:I'd be more than happy to answer your question my friend.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Exercise time: for just a moment, erase all notions of that claiming business from your mind. Tell me who your suspects are.
Glorfindel wrote:I'm sorry, my friend, it wasn't me that made you look that way...G-Man wrote:All I take from this is the impression that you are putting forth a gallant, high-road response act in the effort of making me look like an irrational and pushy jerk. If this is your intent, I'd like to think it won't work because enough of the players who go way back with me will know that I don't play like a pushy jerk. Playing a few smaller games has helped me improve my ability to observe and identity sketchy behavior. It's not foolproof yet but I feel that I've seen enough sketchy behavior out of you to pounce.Glorfindel wrote:You know my friend, it crossed my mind that your accusations (and perhaps more the manner of them) was some kind of punishment for 'treason' or some other reason but on a site that purports not to condone such behavior, that's probably not likely. You claim my response to your accusations was a 'non-answer' and dismissive. The truth is, I couldn't adequately sort through the insults, invective and blatant bias of your third-rate hatchet job to identify what your concerns were. In the post above though, you make more direct reference to a few things that I will address AGAIN because you're clearly not interested in my answers. According to you, I'm guilty of:G-Man wrote:Glorfindel wrote:G-Man wrote:Am I crazy or is this yet another total non-answer? Can someone with an objective viewpoint on this show me where Glorfindel actually addressed my issues? All I read is a dismissive shuck and jive. I don't care what your play looks like in other games on this site. I don't track meta. Instead of looking for what "player X does when they are bad" I found what looks like suspicious behavior in general. As I said before, I could tolerate one or two of the things you appear guilty of (focus on mechanics, focus on lore, giving good reads only, giving lukewarm suspicions) but the amalgamation of all of those things sticks out like a sore thumb to me. And this isn't even a Keyser Soze thing for me because I'm not trying to string together everything you've done, reading it all with nefarious intent. These are simple observations. Someone other than Glorfindel please correct me if I'm wrong but his posts strike me as a steaming pile of BS.
1) Focussing on mechanics - I fail to see how that is in any way a negative thing? The mechanics in this game appear to be totally different to any other game I've played and from what I've seen over the last 135 odd pages, I'm not alone in that boat. I've said repeatedly that I don't believe that this game is not about black and white (Human vs Cylon) and those that hold the opposite view are leading us by a fast path to defeat at the hands of our Mafia friends who must know the truth. Further, others have focused heavily on mechanics too, I don't see your accusations of them
2) A focus on lore - I didn't raise this, I've never seen the show (other than a couple of the original series episodes which didn't do much for me) but it is apparent that it has some bearing on this game. I know that Golden mentioned at the beginning that a knowledge of the lore wasn't necessary but in my view, it does help in that it serves to give us an indication of the motivations and relationships between different characters (e.g. the whole Admiral Caine thing).
3) Giving only good reads - I honestly don't know how many times I need to repeat this but in previous games (both here and elsewhere) I have (too often in my opinion) rushed to lynch players on what I thought were valid reasons only to find that I was mistaken. I don't expect you to understand this but I think I am more adept at determining that someone is Town than I am concluding that they are Mafia. This is what I've referred to in my previous posts as a process of elimination. That's NOT to conclude that I haven't had suspicions - I have and I've said so. If you're miffed that I'm not throwing around accusations indiscriminately, that's too bad. That's not my style. Never was, never will. My approach to these games IS both methodical and conservative. You say you don't care about player's styles that they reveal in previous games? Well, maybe you should.
So there you have it. I don't expect for even a fraction of a second that you will be satisfied with my explanations because you very clearly have made your mind up. I would hope however that if nothing else, other players in this game will see through your accusations for what they truly are. A number of other players have voiced their suspicions of me in ways that (whilst misguided) have been respectful. You on the other hand resort to insult and ridicule. I don't think that's smart and I don't think that's funny - it's exactly what I'd expect from a schoolyard bully.
Artful as your posts may be, they're also misrepresenting me. That's not entirely your fault though, because 1) I don't think we've ever played in a game together yet, and 2) I've got you on defense so it's your job to try to dodge what I'm hurling at you.Glorfindel wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Please show me, with a quote and not a paraphrase, one instance of G-Man casting an insult toward you.Glorfindel wrote:So there you have it. I don't expect for even a fraction of a second that you will be satisfied with my explanations because you very clearly have made your mind up. I would hope however that if nothing else, other players in this game will see through your accusations for what they truly are. A number of other players have voiced their suspicions of me in ways that (whilst misguided) have been respectful. You on the other hand resort to insult and ridicule. I don't think that's smart and I don't think that's funny - it's exactly what I'd expect from a schoolyard bully.G-Man wrote:Did you attend the George W. Bush School of Preemptive Strikes?I've no doubt Epi, that you will deny that G-Man's remarks that I've quoted above are insulting. Taken in isolation, I would agree with you. Combined however with the sarcastic and overtly aggressive tone that he has used in practically every post he has made about me says more I think about him than it does about his views on me and this game in general. His tone and the language he used to describe what I've said is CLEARLY biased to his point of view that he has been pushing all game and it CLEARLY lacks any shred of objectivity). As I pointed out earlier, other players like SilverWolf have asked me questions in a respectful manner and I've been happy to answer her concerns as best I can. G-Man has said that people on this site are familiar with his 'style' and believes that he carries more credibility than I do. That may well be true - he may have your credibitity on his side - I have the truth on mine (just like I did in Arkham Mafia. I want to make this crystal clear - I am not suggesting that G-Man is Mafia (the jury's gone out on that one again...) but he's certainly misguided.G-Man wrote:Someone other than Glorfindel please correct me if I'm wrong but his posts strike me as a steaming pile of BS.
I see that SilverWolf claims that my response to G-Man's claims are defensive. I don't belive that is necessarily true. I addressed the concerns that G-Man raised as fully and as sincerely as I am able. I struggle to see how else I am to answer these allegations that have been made against me without being defensive???
At the end of the Day, you can vote for me or not. That's up to you - that decision is in your hands.
You don't win the Spirit Award by being an asshat. When I'm looking for evidence, I'm silly and lighthearted. When I think I'm on to something, I pivot to punchy. I pivoted early this game because I examined several low-posters on Day 2 and Day 3 for any LRD behavior. Nutella caught my eye Day 2 and the more I re-read your posts, the faster you climbed to the top of the list afterward.And my final award to hand out, these folks just make this place better with their attitude and personality. These nominees are our most important members, nominated for the Spirit Award:
So... you think him to be an artful dodger, but instead he is all-over twisting your words?G-Man wrote:Artful as your posts may be, they're also misrepresenting me. That's not entirely your fault though, because 1) I don't think we've ever played in a game together yet, and 2) I've got you on defense so it's your job to try to dodge what I'm hurling at you.
Juliets is dead. Please, ISO Golden for a moment.a2thezebra wrote:sig of course, Vompatti, ObscureAllure, Drum Beats, and juliets, but not as nearly as much as the other four. Good night.
You don't get it, my list is a direct replica.Polo wrote:Juliets is dead. Please, ISO Golden for a moment.a2thezebra wrote:sig of course, Vompatti, ObscureAllure, Drum Beats, and juliets, but not as nearly as much as the other four. Good night.
HannaK. So innocent Titan only five jhilmil civilians in your list?G-Man wrote:An alphabetically-ordered list of possible civvies:
Epignosis- The show lore suggests that his role could be civ-aligned. As much as the lore seems to have influenced other aspects of the game, this still makes sense to me. He also hasn't done anything to make me go
JaggedJimmyJay- He's been elevated from my neutral reads. My civ leanings on him are probably more wishful thinking than evidence based. JJJ can be a powerful force for good and he's tried to get people thinking about as many players as possible with ISO's and GTH reads. I appreciate that. Until I get burned by him engaging in faux-supatown JJJ activity, I'll be inclined to lean civ with him.
Matt-Weird post from page 83 aside, Matt's been very focused and punchy enough at times to feel genuine. He's kind of riding the fence by being both anti-Cain and pro-Toaster claim. He seems to have an overzealous streak in him as well. But he hasn't done anything contradictory that I can remember, which shows focus. Eyes on the prize is an admirable quality.
ObscureAllure- Barely. She's just about at the border between civ read and neutral read. She reminds me of the OA I remember from many moons ago and that consistency is encouraging. Her passionate refusal to make the claim really has me wondering though.
Silverwolf- Until I get burned by one or both of Ika and Silverwolf's reads on each other, I have no reason to doubt them. She's gotta be civ or she's cementing her place in history around here.
linki zebra: Wouldn't be the first time but this time feels so right!
This is a good point this has to mean SOMETHING for game purposes, or Golden would not have done it. Kind of like why I think Cain is not just another civvie as LC would have us believe; why havea super secret role thatis just another civvie? Golden has put an insane amount of thought (and I do mean insane, Golden, you need help) into this game. Those locations mean something. Canon people, any ideas?a2thezebra wrote:Do you honestly think that that's all that means? That Golden would go to the trouble of making that distinction for every character if it didn't have a major effect on the game? Yeah sure, he might as well have adjusted the size of the font based on the characters' height, like just for shits and giggles you know. It's not like it could possibly mean something more relevant to the direction the game is going or anything.
There's a chance the Galactica will be destroyed in a Cylon attack. I'm not sure there's any more significance regarding location than that.S~V~S wrote:This is a good point this has to mean SOMETHING for game purposes, or Golden would not have done it. Kind of like why I think Cain is not just another civvie as LC would have us believe; why havea super secret role thatis just another civvie? Golden has put an insane amount of thought (and I do mean insane, Golden, you need help) into this game. Those locations mean something. Canon people, any ideas?
I agree with this. I think that further speculation on this is as useful as trying to figure out who Cavil might be able to recruit. As of now, the only thing one's presence on Galactica affects is Cylon attacks... which we haven't even seen yet. We don't even know if it is a triggered event, a planned event, or a Cylon-chosen event.Dex wrote:There's a chance the Galactica will be destroyed in a Cylon attack. I'm not sure there's any more significance regarding location than that.S~V~S wrote:This is a good point this has to mean SOMETHING for game purposes, or Golden would not have done it. Kind of like why I think Cain is not just another civvie as LC would have us believe; why havea super secret role thatis just another civvie? Golden has put an insane amount of thought (and I do mean insane, Golden, you need help) into this game. Those locations mean something. Canon people, any ideas?
I phr confess that this nostology khansaman pretty lax Day for outward overall.S~V~S wrote:The insanifier seems more insane that it used to seem. I recall being able to at least kind of decipher it, but not it is totally incomprehensible
Poor Rico. I look forward to hearing what he has to say when he is able to say it. Glorfindel sounds pretty much exactly the same to me as he did the last two games I went hard for him, and he was a civ. I also agree with him about IAWY/Wilgy.
Why is that interesting?Polo wrote:Little under 7h til poll closes and only 7 votes were cast. Very interesting.
Because at this point in the game it either means that people are very uncomfortable with their reads or that they are treading in the shadows to avoid discussions.Epignosis wrote:Why is that interesting?Polo wrote:Little under 7h til poll closes and only 7 votes were cast. Very interesting.
Uncomfortable or bad, huh?Polo wrote:Because at this point in the game it either means that people are very uncomfortable with their reads or that they are treading in the shadows to avoid discussions.Epignosis wrote:Why is that interesting?Polo wrote:Little under 7h til poll closes and only 7 votes were cast. Very interesting.