The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Epignosis

I plan on responding further to what he said but I'm gonna calm down first. However, he's scum.

If I'm bad, what am I doing? Saving ika? Saving Draconus? Please tell me what I would have to gain in engaging you at all. I don't know you from Eve.

If ika is a 7/10, and you voted Draconus instead of him, and now you're voting me over Draconus, that means I'm like a...nine or ten? All because I questioned your ability to judge ika?

Why are you getting worked up that I'm questioning your ability to read your significant other? Is that not fair game? Should I accept your read as gospel and pounce? I daresay you've been less charitable toward people who voted for more reason than that.

Epignosis wrote:I too am going to take a break. Because I have children and Smash Brothers tournaments around here are a thing.

Kick their butts for me.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Uh. Epi is a nice fellow who is playing Mafia.

I think it's time to utilize the mod on duty.

S~V~S wrote:Night guys, this has gotten too... I dunno,lol, for me.

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Question for you: How many times has ika fooled you as Mafia? How many times have you fooled ika?

I often answer questions directed at me and return questions back at the person questioning me as scum. Just sayin'

In any case, I have not played in a game where ika is scum. We did have a scum hydra together where we won and I'd say I got a look at his scum meta there and in games I have read or things he has told me as well.

As scum, he can usually catch me but he has a hard time lynching me. I've gone up against him at least 3 or 4 times. The one time I technically say I fooled him, he didn't figure it out until late game when it was too late.

You're telling me that you have just as much experience of ika being bad as S~V~S and thellama73 do.

And this has any relveance how? i didnt even read the link you gave but even trying a discred it already gonna make me ripa new one

ika wrote:i belive that if things are being heated (as they seem to be getting right now) that it should be monitored, i dont think anyone really got into a personal territory overall. If it did reach that for me or silver we would be telling the ohter in here ot go talkt o mod on duty, we both know our limits on it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:i belive that if things are being heated (as they seem to be getting right now) that it should be monitored, i dont think anyone really got into a personal territory overall. If it did reach that for me or silver we would be telling the ohter in here ot go talkt o mod on duty, we both know our limits on it.

I don't remind the thread in order to single everyone out, rather, as a precaution for folks to make sure they remember to utilize the function if anyone reaches that point; I've seen and participated in too many instances where that was not the case.

So if you feel as though you or SW have been called out by my announcement, it was the furthest from my intention to do so. No one's pointing fingers or questioning judgment here; I just want to make that abundantly clear.

Epignosis wrote:
I don't understand this. Silverwolf says you're bad, and I question her ability to read you, and you come at me?

ika wrote:sig if you wan to work with anyone help us vote epi off

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
I don't understand this. Silverwolf says you're bad, and I question her ability to read you, and you come at me?

Your not ment to understand, your ment to eat rope.

When anyone discredit her ability to read em i will retaliate no matter what. she knows me better then i probally knwo myself so yes i am goign to go at you

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Outside of ika and draconus, others I'd like to look at are Soneji, Boomslang, Serge, chaindeath, nerolunar, and Epi again now with all the discrediting going on here.

Everyone else I have a solid townread on.

I question your experience with your boyfriend, find out it's worth questioning, you backpedal on your initial response, and now I'm bad.

Yeah no. There is no town reason to discredit me like this. You are bad.

Oh no ma'am. Don't stir this pot. I am not bad and I have every right to question your "experience." I will not accept "Silverwolf says ika is bad, so he's bad."

I have played countless games with my spouse, and I was right every time about her except once. She burned me good in Harry Potter. I defended her ass while she was out playing with the kids. Ask Turnip Head. It was bad. That was enough for me to back of my own experience with her and realize that she is a dynamic person capable of fooling me.

So no. "We talked about his meta" and "I was bad with him once" is not good enough for me. You are not an expert on ika's "meta" or whatever it is you want to call it.

If you can muster the support to lynch ika, I won't stand in the way. I'm not a cop. I don't know if he is or not. I don't think he is because of the Day 2 lynch and the apparent fact that he had extra votes.

But you are not an expert on his game. Get married and live in the same house for 10 years and then play Mafia together many many times when you are on the same team and not on the same team. Then we can talk.

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Outside of ika and draconus, others I'd like to look at are Soneji, Boomslang, Serge, chaindeath, nerolunar, and Epi again now with all the discrediting going on here.

Everyone else I have a solid townread on.

I question your experience with your boyfriend, find out it's worth questioning, you backpedal on your initial response, and now I'm bad.

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Question for you: How many times has ika fooled you as Mafia? How many times have you fooled ika?

I often answer questions directed at me and return questions back at the person questioning me as scum. Just sayin'

In any case, I have not played in a game where ika is scum. We did have a scum hydra together where we won and I'd say I got a look at his scum meta there and in games I have read or things he has told me as well.

As scum, he can usually catch me but he has a hard time lynching me. I've gone up against him at least 3 or 4 times. The one time I technically say I fooled him, he didn't figure it out until late game when it was too late.

You're telling me that you have just as much experience of ika being bad as S~V~S and thellama73 do.

No, I did not say that at all did I? I've played for a long time with ika on MS. I've talked to him at length about his scum meta and have played in a scum game with him in a hydra and have watched many games he's played as scum. He's played with me in several as well-he modded a game I was scum in and played against me at least 3 times that I remember maybe 4.

So, don't even try to discredit my ika read. I most definitely am concerned about him this game as some of the things he's doing are classic scum while others are more town-like. Clearly, I'm torn but I know his scum game.

Your discrediting of me on this is noted. If ika is scum, they should look at you next since you've been discrediting me all this day phase.

I asked you a question. You said:

"In any case, I have not played in a game where ika is scum. We did have a scum hydra together where we won and I'd say I got a look at his scum meta there and in games I have read or things he has told me as well."

That's what you told me.

I pointed out that you have the same experience with him that S~V~S (his teammate) and llama (his host) do.

Now you say:

"No, I did not say that at all did I? I've played for a long time with ika on MS. I've talked to him at length about his scum meta and have played in a scum game with him in a hydra and have watched many games he's played as scum. He's played with me in several as well-he modded a game I was scum in and played against me at least 3 times that I remember maybe 4."

That's adding to what you told me in your initial answer (although I don't think talking "to him at length about his scum meta" is worth merit). You didn't say, "I've watched many games he's played as scum" when I first asked you about your experience. You're adding to what you said initially and making it sound like I'm trying to discredit you.

So go ahead and note that if you want. I'll wait while you sharpen your pencil.

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Question for you: How many times has ika fooled you as Mafia? How many times have you fooled ika?

I often answer questions directed at me and return questions back at the person questioning me as scum. Just sayin'

In any case, I have not played in a game where ika is scum. We did have a scum hydra together where we won and I'd say I got a look at his scum meta there and in games I have read or things he has told me as well.

As scum, he can usually catch me but he has a hard time lynching me. I've gone up against him at least 3 or 4 times. The one time I technically say I fooled him, he didn't figure it out until late game when it was too late.

You're telling me that you have just as much experience of ika being bad as S~V~S and thellama73 do.

Epignosis wrote:Silverwolf and ika both voting together now. Cute.

I'm going to bed.

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Question for you: How many times has ika fooled you as Mafia? How many times have you fooled ika?

I often answer questions directed at me and return questions back at the person questioning me as scum. Just sayin'

In any case, I have not played in a game where ika is scum. We did have a scum hydra together where we won and I'd say I got a look at his scum meta there and in games I have read or things he has told me as well.

As scum, he can usually catch me but he has a hard time lynching me. I've gone up against him at least 3 or 4 times. The one time I technically say I fooled him, he didn't figure it out until late game when it was too late.

You're telling me that you have just as much experience of ika being bad as S~V~S and thellama73 do.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
I don't understand this. Silverwolf says you're bad, and I question her ability to read you, and you come at me?

Your not ment to understand, your ment to eat rope.

When anyone discredit her ability to read em i will retaliate no matter what. she knows me better then i probally knwo myself so yes i am goign to go at you

Does she know your alignment in this Mafia game better than you know it?

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you

What does Epignosis stand to gain, as a bad guy, by discrediting Silverwolf on her baddie read of you? He is protecting you from her.

Silverwolf wrote:You want to know what I see in Epi's post. Wanting to discredit my ability to read ika and also try to turn things around on me in a way to discredit all my reads in this game. He's not voting me. He's not calling me scum. He's just trying to discredit everything I do and try to keep the focus on me and off of my reads.

It's scum 101.

Silverwolf wrote:ika-I'm done with this game.

Just an FYI if you want to keep fighting a losing battle.

I'm seriously not wasting my time anymore.

Silverwolf wrote:ika-I'm done with this game.

Just an FYI if you want to keep fighting a losing battle.

I'm seriously not wasting my time anymore.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:ika-I'm done with this game.

Just an FYI if you want to keep fighting a losing battle.

I'm seriously not wasting my time anymore.

ill fight to the bitter end on this. you know me as well as anyone, you know me better then any perosn can ever say

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

quod erat demonstrandum

It means your proof is completed, you have proven your point. It's from geometry proofs,I don;t recall the exact meaning.

Sloonei wrote:@ Quin, I'm glad you're reading me as town now, or that you at least say you're reading me as town. You listed Black Rock, ika, Serge, and Nerolunar as scum in the GTH exercise. I'd like to hear more on those 4 names. If you had to rank them from most to least suspicious, how would that look?

Also why is Scotty listed as Town if you're voting for him right now?

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:@ Quin, I'm glad you're reading me as town now, or that you at least say you're reading me as town. You listed Black Rock, ika, Serge, and Nerolunar as scum in the GTH exercise. I'd like to hear more on those 4 names. If you had to rank them from most to least suspicious, how would that look?

Also why is Scotty listed as Town if you're voting for him right now?

I listed Scotty as town? That was most definitely a mistake.

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you

ika wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme

not this at all. want to knwo a pro tip about my meta? im a heavy busser and silver knwos that i will vote with her even if its a scum buddy so if she thinks its scum and i were to eb scum, its a moot point to try to devine that.

Silverwolf wrote:You want to know what I see in Epi's post. Wanting to discredit my ability to read ika and also try to turn things around on me in a way to discredit all my reads in this game. He's not voting me. He's not calling me scum. He's just trying to discredit everything I do and try to keep the focus on me and off of my reads.

It's scum 101.

ika wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you

What does Epignosis stand to gain, as a bad guy, by discrediting Silverwolf on her baddie read of you? He is protecting you from her.

PIssing me and silver off. When he is using persoanl relationship reasons to discredt it (as silver jsut pointed out with his post) i will have a problem regardless of my alginemt

Silverwolf wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme

No, not this.

I have read ika 100% correctly in every game we've played. He draws town far more often on ms.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:ika-I'm done with this game.

Just an FYI if you want to keep fighting a losing battle.

I'm seriously not wasting my time anymore.

You know nothing about Epignosis. Nothing. He has this effect on people are new to him. It happened to me too.

I understand your perspective of him. I think you're wrong, primarily because I understand exactly why he did everything from a town point of view. I share it with him.

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme

No, not this.

I have read ika 100% correctly in every game we've played. He draws town far more often on ms.

And this tells me you're prone to recency bias as well.

Is ika bad or not?

Why or why not?

Epignosis wrote:My controller ran out of batteries during sudden death. I blame Simon.

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you

I don't have a "town read" on you though.

so your scum reading me? then you should have no problem voting me

ika wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme

not this at all. want to knwo a pro tip about my meta? im a heavy busser and silver knwos that i will vote with her even if its a scum buddy so if she thinks its scum and i were to eb scum, its a moot point to try to devine that.

ika, if everyone knows what you do when you are bad, then shouldn't you...you know...vary it up?

not really, i change some here and there form time to time but most times i enjoy people knowing my metas so i can challange it

Silverwolf wrote:You want to know what I see in Epi's post. Wanting to discredit my ability to read ika and also try to turn things around on me in a way to discredit all my reads in this game. He's not voting me. He's not calling me scum. He's just trying to discredit everything I do and try to keep the focus on me and off of my reads.

It's scum 101.

I don't see why I have to think you're bad to think you're wrong.

its the discredintg on it is the thing, there is 0 town motivation ebhind it. you can easly jsut say "i think hes town so i disagree"

ika wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you

What does Epignosis stand to gain, as a bad guy, by discrediting Silverwolf on her baddie read of you? He is protecting you from her.

PIssing me and silver off. When he is using persoanl relationship reasons to discredt it (as silver jsut pointed out with his post) i will have a problem regardless of my alginemt

No. The moment someone comes in and says she can read someone well because of their relationship is the moment she invites scrutiny on that claim. Well, she's being scrutinized. If you don't want your relationship called into question, don't make it part of the game.

I still don't get your beef with it. Jesus. I never said you guys didn't love each other.

my beef is that the reason we can read is more then jsut the relationsship, its our histroy, out metas, our very playstelys and how we interact. when you narrow it to the relatipnship itself we get pissed. you could of mention the interactions, the plays we have made, hell most of what we have actualy said it more meta based then relationship based so.....

Silverwolf wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

Yeah,this.

And Jackie Chan meme is best meme

No, not this.

I have read ika 100% correctly in every game we've played. He draws town far more often on ms.

And this tells me you're prone to recency bias as well.

Is ika bad or not?

Why or why not?

Silverwolf wrote:I realize this site has a mod on duty function, but if we don't get in these heated battles, it's not nearly as easy to read a person. I agree with no personal attacks or insults but there is no reason we can't have these types of discussions because it does make it easier to not only get a read but for others reading it to get one as well.

I absolutely approve of this.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

ika wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This proves to me that Silverwolf has no credibility in reading you. She abandoned you for Draconus and now me. If you are bad, she can't read you.

Q.E.D.

It doesnt prove shit. I mena i already poitned out that your town read on me is based on bad reasons. SIlver knwos me better. she would knwo that i would not hesitate ot bus either. She has full credibilty to ready me. your continued discredit is very compelling and showing the true side of you

What does Epignosis stand to gain, as a bad guy, by discrediting Silverwolf on her baddie read of you? He is protecting you from her.

Silverwolf wrote:I realize this site has a mod on duty function, but if we don't get in these heated battles, it's not nearly as easy to read a person. I agree with no personal attacks or insults but there is no reason we can't have these types of discussions because it does make it easier to not only get a read but for others reading it to get one as well.

Silverwolf wrote:I realize this site has a mod on duty function, but if we don't get in these heated battles, it's not nearly as easy to read a person. I agree with no personal attacks or insults but there is no reason we can't have these types of discussions because it does make it easier to not only get a read but for others reading it to get one as well.

Especially over the internet, it can be difficult to detect someone's tone and level of intensity with regards to emotional content, hence the need for the function, whether for venting or arbitration.

Nonetheless, if you are not upset, then that's great. If you (or anyone else, for that matter) ever gets upset to that degree, well, just know that the function is there for you.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:ika-I'm done with this game.

Just an FYI if you want to keep fighting a losing battle.

I'm seriously not wasting my time anymore.

You know nothing about Epignosis. Nothing. He has this effect on people are new to him. It happened to me too.

I understand your perspective of him. I think you're wrong, primarily because I understand exactly why he did everything from a town point of view. I share it with him.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I realize this site has a mod on duty function, but if we don't get in these heated battles, it's not nearly as easy to read a person. I agree with no personal attacks or insults but there is no reason we can't have these types of discussions because it does make it easier to not only get a read but for others reading it to get one as well.

This is mostly the point i was makign when SF made his announcement. This is mafia so heat will be brought and should be taken, i tend to use this kind of dicussions myself to get reads. I dont get personal unless someone else starts it, i see on this site i wont be happened so i wont. if it ever got to that poitn for me i would leave the game for a bit. silver has taught me to do that when i get upset