The Syndicate

Scotty wrote:

BigTalker wrote:

ChiefEngineer wrote:
What do yall think this secret criteria is? We know they have BTSC. Because even if it's a team-based thing, they would have to be around to do it anyway, so inactivity isnt a bad bet to count on.

...but the host said all pms were received for night 1 so inactivity can be ruled out.

The host never said that in thread as far as I can tell. Are you referring to this?

SocksinSpace wrote:Daisy is at work so I took care of everything this time. All PMs have been sent. If I overlooked you somehow or you have questions, let us both know, and one of us will get back to you ASAP. Thanks!

It is referring to the host sending PMs. Not the other way around. Unless I'm missing something.

I guess that WAS what was referring to...I'm just used to the hosts typically saying whether or not they received the night PM's since generally that's been an auto-ask by someone the next day...

Ok well as it stands I'm currently in line to be lynched. So...you know...if you feel impassioned by anything so far, go ahead and vote. If I'm gonna get lynched then I at least want it to be productive.

But I will plead my case again that Matt looks worse for his silence and random NO U on me.

If i continue to talk to myself like I do in the bathroom IRL sometimes, we ain't winning this game y'all. More people should talk.

Scotty wrote:

ProbablyColdBlooded wrote:

VeryMuchHuman wrote:Oh nm INH is arrested.

I could vote Russ 2.0 just based on TH's behavior yesterday of asking to be arrested. It's not like he had alot of traction for a lynch today.

Russ 2.0: what do you make of your predecessor's desire to be arrested last night?

Well, being off the poll is always nice. TH was also replaced because of "host error", so maybe it had something to do with that?

Nice NO U, by the way. You're doing a decent job of pretending you have reasons for wanting me dead besides that I want you dead.

Which of the following do you think is more likely? That sig
a) is Shawn?
b) is Yang?
c) was saved by the Police Chief, who would not have known sig's alignment on Day 1?
d) saved by an item?
or e)

I think options A and B are by far the most likely. Not at all sure which yet, but either way lynching him doesn't help, so for me and the rest of the civs it's kind of a moot point.

By the way, waht's al this "Russ 2.0 could be Ying for no substantive reason at all?" Now you agree with my thinking, and you're still trying to get me killed a second time while admitting yourself that there's no logic to it?? I'm flabbergasted.

Scotty wrote:

WillNotWintheElection wrote:Sorry peeps, I haven't been following along that much. Going to vote Scotty cuz of the craziness that transpired last lynch.

Peace

wait. wat.

that's what you have to say after 2 days without voting or content?

"Not following along" and yet you drop a vote on me for the "craziness" of last lynch? So you ARE following along, and you think the last runaway train on me was crazy?


This guy is bad.

Yeah that was ridiculous. If I didn't think you were so bad, I'd be strongly considering a Matt vote.

Also, to the bolded: IT'S GOING OFF THE RAILS ON A CRAZY TRAIN!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:How to vote Turnip Head in a game with no Turnip Head.

Definitely not by voting his replacement. No, siree.

Quin, I see you're on. Thoughts on moving your vote away from LoRab since it seems to not be gaining any traction today? And whether yes ro no, how do you feel about the top candidates of today?

Drive By Voter wrote:I've feel like I've played enough games where my actions as a civ have come across in the most suspicious way possible to know when I see it in other people. I won't vote for Scotty today.

I like his insistence on trying to make people talk about other things. He asked a few times, but was still keen on arguing his case, which tells me that he's more likely to be a civvie attempting to uncover information than a baddie trying to hide behind a deflection strategy.

His 'I haven't checked my role card yet huehuehue' thing looks objectively suspicious on the surface, but what motivation does a baddie have to say that? There is absolutely no advantage in a baddie Scotty starting off his game in the way he did.

The lynch train that formed on him also makes me think he's civ. I don't see a situation where that bandwagon could get going that quickly and not have baddies jump on. For the sake of digging up as much as I can, here are a few defences here by nijuukujou and Matt, but I can't accuse either of them of saving Scotty in these posts:

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nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Thread, don't be a nightmare to read here.

I understand the contest, but those first few pages were a bit of a nightmare to get through.

Elohcin wrote:
Day 0 and he seems to be trying too hard to find something on someone.

Okay, so I just saw that there may be another option for me to vote. Niju. She has posted ONCE all game (Day 0). I know it's early and Niju is a quiet player. She usually posts only once a day. However, its easy for me to tell the difference between her quiet, helpful, civ playstyle and her quiet, laying low, baddie playstyle. I will keep this in mind if I can get back here before EoD. For now, sig, though.

Do you? But really, I considered going with what I keep saying I'm going to do every game beginning and go after a super-low poster. Problem is, that happens to be me yet again.

These votes are stupid spread out, and among people I believe have either been simply playful, or really haven't done anything ping-worthy, IMO. I think most very strange behavior Day 1 is avoided by baddies, and the types of things people are voting for (e.g., sig's theorizing, although I'll admit I had to tear myself from a vote for him because temptation but also not wanting to kill the guy AGAIN on Day 1; Scotty's "I haven't looked at my role card!" [because what reason is there for saying this as a baddie? I hope I don't eat my words]) fall into that category of "Why would someone do this Day 1 as a baddie?" I'm not saying it wouldn't happen and hasn't happened, but I'm saying it's not likely, and I avoid voting like that. Really, I found this post by Quin to be subtle, yet suspect:

Quin wrote:This argument confuses me. I'd rather make the argument sig is making against eloh against SVS instead. The fact that the Eloh argument has escalated to where it is just feels extremely 'meh' to me.

sig wrote:Okay I know it is verrrrry early day 0 but already two things have stood out to me.

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Yay! This looks like a super complex set up with the items. I have been mega busy recently with RL, but I was looking forward to this.

Um, since info on the poll is confirmed, I think we should be clear on why we are voting as we do. I am choosing Ice Cream Jerky since, A~ It does not have meat in it. And B~ I have had that freeze dried "space astronaut" ice cream, and it was acceptable. Most of this except maybe Fruit Loop Quesadilla,sounds awful.

Also never saw this if that makes a diff re options.

You mafia.....?

And SVS response.

S~V~S wrote:OMG, no lol.

I find it to be very strange.


This seems like an attempt by Eloh to look townie and make it seem like she doesn't have information while she really does.

Elohcin wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

DFaraday wrote:This game is going to be great! All of those options sound amazing/revolting, so I'll have to mull it over.

Host: Does anyone have info on this poll?

not me

In other news, I have strong town reads for Epi, Wilgy and Elohcin. I'll elaborate on that later.

He did somewhat elaborate later on the suspicion of SVS, but that's not really what I'm pointing out. What gets me is why he would choose to point out three names and give them "strong town reads" on Day 1, claiming to explain later. Why do this? Buddying? Trying to appear like he's contributing? And why put a target on them? Going back, there isn't really a big reason to pick these three out of the bunch for "strong" town reads. Nah. This is weird. I know it's nitpicky, but it does kind of go with my desire to pick someone quiet(ish), yet subtle, for Day 1, instead of someone who stands out. Gonna vote Quin.

Spoiler: show

Matt wrote:Lol. Sorry sig. I was tempted by the tie, and I think it's silly to vote off Scotty because he was being silly about his role card.

Question...

sig wrote:I will be voting for matt tomorrow.

Does this mean you know you won't be lynched today?

At the very least I can entertain the idea of him being indie, or Yang hiding behind the security of his lynch immunity. But he's not bad. My vote today will be going to whoever best fits the criteria of a) posting with the intention of being removed from the lynch poll on Day 1 & b) voting Scotty based entirely on his 'I haven't checked his role card yet' nonsense.

Question/s: What's the deal with the engagement ring? From the way I read it, Scotty used it on Russ and as a result Russ became Scotty's personal meatshield? is that right?


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Care to share why you voted for me?

Voting Scotty. Again. For prior reasons, but also directly because of the last lynch. I can't fathom why a civie would switch a lynch to someone who hadn't been discussed as a suspicion, who hadn't been mentioned by the player, and wasn't the lowest poster...especially where there were suspicious players who had been named. It doesn't make sense to me from a civ perspective to have killed Russ 1.0. Scotty, if you can explain your choice, I may change my vote. But I really don't think that you're looking at all good at this point.

LoRab wrote:Voting Scotty. Again. For prior reasons, but also directly because of the last lynch. I can't fathom why a civie would switch a lynch to someone who hadn't been discussed as a suspicion, who hadn't been mentioned by the player, and wasn't the lowest poster...especially where there were suspicious players who had been named. It doesn't make sense to me from a civ perspective to have killed Russ 1.0. Scotty, if you can explain your choice, I may change my vote. But I really don't think that you're looking at all good at this point.

I've already said what I could.

I'm really pissed right now, I just want everyone to know that. I'm not bad.

@Russ so you agree Matt looks really bad! Yay! We're in agreement!

If I die, lynch Matt tomorrow

I'm on vacation. I've been up since 4am and then I spent several hours running around with my kids at the water park. I'm exhausted. I voted scotty for the same reason I did last time. I am now going to go to a pajama dance party with my daughter and then crash.

Lol. I could've swore the poll ended this morning but whatevs.

Anyway, Scotty I think said something like "after not talking or voting for two days blah blah blah"...um yeah I was arrested sir, and I could not vote or post in the thread.

And even tho I didn't post, cuz I couldn't, I still was able to see the results of the poll so ummm whatevs.

AS it is, looks like we have three hours until the poll closes so I will catch up and see what's what.

Finally home, for all of 10 minutes. Skimming quickly back thru my phone or seems that scotta dodged thy lynch. I'm not loving the way that went down and see no better alternator on quick read so. .. Scotty

I'm heading back to the campsite now and will be out of cell coverage until this time tomorrow

I can't get over how little resistance there is to Scotty's lynch it seems strange if he is mafia.

However, at this point I don't see many other alternatives I still think matt is a little weird, as was Dom.

Scotty wrote:If I die, lynch Matt tomorrow

Beam me up baddie wrote:I'm glad no one is answering my previously asked question.

Sure, I look suspicious. I'm giving minimal effort as I proceed to move halfway across the country.

So if no one gives me some names, my hands are tied.

If I were to not be lynched today, who on the train would you rather see lynched?

I looked back at your posts to see what you've said. This post seems to imply that you could only switch to someone who voted for you. According to the poll thread, Russ did not vote for you (please someone correct me if this info is incorrect). And was he really the one of your voters that was the most suspish?

I'm just not buying it. Sorry, dude.

@work...don't wanna miss vote

Votes scotty.

sig wrote:I can't get over how little resistance there is to Scotty's lynch it seems strange if he is mafia.

However, at this point I don't see many other alternatives I still think matt is a little weird, as was Dom.

What do mafia usually do? Stick their necks out in protest?

Epignosis wrote:

sig wrote:I can't get over how little resistance there is to Scotty's lynch it seems strange if he is mafia.

However, at this point I don't see many other alternatives I still think matt is a little weird, as was Dom.

What do mafia usually do? Stick their necks out in protest?

Well you'd think there would be some defense of him.

Either way voting scotty.

I did too. Off to bed. That water park whooped my ass.

Matt wrote:Sorry peeps, I haven't been following along that much. Going to vote Scotty cuz of the craziness that transpired last lynch.

Peace

Well someone might be setting up my Day 4 vote nicely. Are you going to catch up at some point or just make drive-by votes?

Scotty wrote:If i continue to talk to myself like I do in the bathroom IRL sometimes, we ain't winning this game y'all. More people should talk.

I do agree with you here. We have a lot of quiet people so far on Day 3. I mean, INH is the only one who got arrested, right?

Scotty wrote:If I die, lynch Matt tomorrow

I am strongly considering this, so sure!

But you first.

I'm going to go ahead and *vote Matt*. I didn't like his post which simultaneously said he knew what was going on, but also didn't. Also, I'm not so sure there's not a connection between Matt being arrested and there being no kill on Night 1.

Well fam. I hope you learn something. Because this is a huge mistake. I'm sorry I played so poorly early and made some bad decisions. I hoped you would all see through that. Oh well.

Go civs, hope you salvage it.

RIP Scotty.

DFaraday wrote: RIP Scotty.

This.

Wow, dude...Sorry it came downnl8ke it did, but you SO could a made a better case for yourself....

With my other game just finishing ill have more tome to invest into this game. I didn't want to used it as an excuse for my subpar activity so all I can do now is...post stuff.

I see things addressed to me, but I'm at uni now so that's going to have to wait until I get home.

Sorry for the missed vote. It won't happen again.

Ok... So I wasn't here (or paying attention recently) but now have more time to play.

So why did everyone somehow agree that lynching Scotty (again) was a good idea after his first vote was a landslide?

Because Scotty rhymes with naughty?

I wouldn't mind a toddy

- Answering to both LoRab and Scotty who asked why I voted as I did. I think my vote could easily enough have been inferred from my earlier post. LoRab fit both criteria I listed earlier in that he was active in the 'don't be a' competition, and he also voted Scotty based on his 'I haven't read my role yet' gambit.

Russtifinko wrote:Quin, I see you're on. Thoughts on moving your vote away from LoRab since it seems to not be gaining any traction today? And whether yes ro no, how do you feel about the top candidates of today?

I didn't see this post before I left. I don't even remember checking the thread this morning, but I guess I did if you called me out on it. Apologies.

When I placed my vote I believe Scotty was the only one with more than one vote. I don't think anyone could be called a 'top candidate'. So as for Scotty, no, it was quite clearly a bad lynch. But no, I wouldn't have moved my vote from LoRab given my above reason for suspecting him. I don't have any stronger leads.

I'm interested in why you'd ask me to abandon my read just because it didn't gain traction. You didn't give me an alternative. Feels like something I should be worried about. Should I be worried about it, Russ?

So looking over things again, I can't help but notice that the civs have no NK. There are a few civ roles with secrets, but given that we haven't seen anything in the Night posts so far, I'm guessing none of those secrets involve thinning out the mafia teams. Part of me is wondering if Despereaux can become the civ ninja if he gets his item (he did team-up with Shawn a time or two in the show)...thoughts?

EBWOP: well it's late anyway and I'm barely there, so I'll check back in the morning ...after I get my morning coffee and cruller.

Spacedaisy wrote:We missed one part of the post, ????? survived a kill by Yin & Yang.

Sorry about that, it has been a chaotic evening for me.

We are going to end the Night at 11:00 PM EST tomorrow, please get your night actions to both myself and MP by 10 PM EST. I'm going to go get out any PMs I still need to.

It's awesome that we are surviving baddie kills. But we're doing a piss-poor job of finding said baddies. I am thinking they are inactive.

@ Host - If no one sent in a PM nightkill, would it say "????? survived a kill" or "no one was killed"?

Well that was a piss-poor result. RIP Scotty!

Someday, maybe Scotty will explain why he decided to kill Russ in the last lynch.

Quin wrote:- Answering to both LoRab and Scotty who asked why I voted as I did. I think my vote could easily enough have been inferred from my earlier post. LoRab fit both criteria I listed earlier in that he was active in the 'don't be a' competition, and he also voted Scotty based on his 'I haven't read my role yet' gambit.

Russtifinko wrote:Quin, I see you're on. Thoughts on moving your vote away from LoRab since it seems to not be gaining any traction today? And whether yes ro no, how do you feel about the top candidates of today?

I didn't see this post before I left. I don't even remember checking the thread this morning, but I guess I did if you called me out on it. Apologies.

When I placed my vote I believe Scotty was the only one with more than one vote. I don't think anyone could be called a 'top candidate'. So as for Scotty, no, it was quite clearly a bad lynch. But no, I wouldn't have moved my vote from LoRab given my above reason for suspecting him. I don't have any stronger leads.

I'm interested in why you'd ask me to abandon my read just because it didn't gain traction. You didn't give me an alternative. Feels like something I should be worried about. Should I be worried about it, Russ?

No, it wasn't easily inferred. Also, that was only one reason I voted for Scotty the first time. And there were others who fit both criteria, as well. So why me?

Awfully hard to defend if someone doesn't make a case (and doesn't seem to fully read my posts). But I voted Scotty because I thought he was suspicious. And I participated in the contest first because I like contests, but mainly because it is good for the civs if a baddie does NOT win such a contest, so I wanted to keep that power out of the hands of the baddies. It is in the civs best interest for civs to enter all contests--the baddies already have an advantage because they have BTSC and can collaborate efforts. Why would you push civs away from preventing the baddies from winning?

Also, I am female. I have told you this before. Please stop using male pronouns to refer to me.

Elohcin wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:We missed one part of the post, ????? survived a kill by Yin & Yang.

Sorry about that, it has been a chaotic evening for me.

We are going to end the Night at 11:00 PM EST tomorrow, please get your night actions to both myself and MP by 10 PM EST. I'm going to go get out any PMs I still need to.

It's awesome that we are surviving baddie kills. But we're doing a piss-poor job of finding said baddies. I am thinking they are inactive.

@ Host - If no one sent in a PM nightkill, would it say "????? survived a kill" or "no one was killed"?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well that was a piss-poor result. RIP Scotty!

Well look at you two, using the same words to describe the game and stuff.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:We missed one part of the post, ????? survived a kill by Yin & Yang.

Sorry about that, it has been a chaotic evening for me.

We are going to end the Night at 11:00 PM EST tomorrow, please get your night actions to both myself and MP by 10 PM EST. I'm going to go get out any PMs I still need to.

It's awesome that we are surviving baddie kills. But we're doing a piss-poor job of finding said baddies. I am thinking they are inactive.

@ Host - If no one sent in a PM nightkill, would it say "????? survived a kill" or "no one was killed"?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well that was a piss-poor result. RIP Scotty!

Well look at you two, using the same words to describe the game and stuff.

And your point is? :P

I actually never use that term IRL. Epi does and I thought it was fitting.

I also think this means BWT probably didn't read the thread before posting. What does that say about him? I don't know.

That sucked, I'm considering voting for MM, I'll go over his and Dom's post.

Also Scotty wanted us to lynch Matt, he had Matt in prison with him. I believe we might want to do that tomorrow.

Now that I'm released from captivity due to the jailor's death, I have some thoughts about all that transpired yesterday.

Hindsight is 20/20, and I could BS everyone and say that if I was able to post and vote, I obviously would have seen through the case on Scotty and the resulting bandwagon. But, to be honest, I probably would have just joined it myself.

Anywho, here we are, Night 3, with Scotty's blood on our hands. Catching up on the thread gave me 2 real suspects for the upcoming future.

1 - Russtifinko 2.0

Strike 1: Coming back from the dead to enthusiastically and passionately lynch a civilian. Strike 2: His whole kerfuffle with Epi and general blame gamemanship. He also suspected Matt of being Scotty's teammate, but now is just barrelling against him, due to his Scotty vote. Strike 3: Him backtracking on his 1.0 opinions as noted by Scotty:

Scotty wrote:May I direct you to your Russell 1.0 Day 2 post:

Russ'el and Flo wrote:This is a really compelling case. I agree with you and Sokoth that the Dom suspicion seems to have a lot of traction given how little substance it has, and I also think Scotty's not reading his role card is not suspicious, but you do a good job of showing that his behavior since is.

My only reservation right now is that I'm not sold on it being a save, because I still don't think that's the optimal play. However, as sig pointed out, opinions are divided on that stance, so it's entirely possible the baddie team disagrees with me on that and did try to save.

You seem pretty "sold" that it was a save now, in your new skin. Right out of the gate.

2 - sig

Sig, sig, sig. None of his posts have been inspiring in the least bit as far as my opinion of his alignment. His constant NO U's, his constant overhyping of himself, (e.g. "If you wanna lynch me go ahead." "If the baddies wanna kill me, I'd like to see them try") and his posts about Yin/Yang, (i.e. saying that they're not baddies and casting shade on anyone who talks about them too much) seem less like Shawn and more like somebody else.

Maybe a serial killer someone else.

The question is now, how do you solve a problem like sig? Lynches ostensibly don't work, and I'd be shocked if the cops haven't tried to NK him.

I may risk being apropos of nothing, but I'd honestly like people to consider trying to lynch him. He claims to be utterly invulnerable to any attack, but that just seems impossible as per the rules. Most likely, he's used an item or two over the course of the game so far. Hopefully, he used one that stopped his lynch during Day 1.

But that's a big assumption to make, and I don't want to make an ass out of you and me. At the same time, I think there's a very high chance he's a baddie, and I'm not gonna sit on my hands and hope that the other mafia team takes him out. I want to be somewhat proactive.

sig wrote:Also Scotty wanted us to lynch Matt, he had Matt in prison with him. I believe we might want to do that tomorrow.

Just because Scotty wanted it, doesn't mean it's a good idea. Even though he arrested Matt, he wouldn't have gained any info from doing so. So we'd purely be going on Scotty's instincts...which didn't prove to be too great since his play style led to him getting himself lynched.

So before we all jump on the bullet train to Lynchville, we may wanna reassess things with a more scrutinizing .

It also concerns me that you are so quick to get us to jump on the Matt-lynch train especially since there's MUCH scrutiny over your own allegiance.

linki @INH: I've honestly thought about trying to lynch sig again. If it garnered the same results as Day 1, it would basically CONFIRM our suspicions, but at the same time, we really can't afford another botched lynch. Civs need a win in the worst possible way right now.

I never once hinted that I was invulnerable to lynches, also I only did that a bit, don't overplay my hyping.

Scotty had a chat with Matt, if his last wish was to lynch Matt then I think it is pretty damning. I've had BTSC chat a few times and you can usually tell if someone is acting squirrel.

So BigDamnHero you're thinking of lynching me to see if I can be lynched? This is a waste for two reasons.
1. You'd spend a phase lynching a civ.
2. If I couldn't be lynched you'd waste a phase doing nothing.

For Russ he could be mafia, but in hindsight I see what he is doing as more of a revenge thing for Russ 1.0.

Okay so we don't have much content wise from MM, even though he has 15 posts many are fluffy.

Looking bad Dom is the same, he did mention talking more but never really did, he defended Eloh a bit and accused me of not responding to him quick enough. So overall he had some soft defense of Eloh and went after me a bit. He had a brief back and forth with Wilgy, but besides that didn't say much about who he suspected or thought was innocent.

Speaking of Eloh I really really dislike the narrative she is pushing that the baddies are inactive. This sets off major alarms in my mind since it is something I think mafia members are more likely to do.

DrWilgy wrote:Ok... So I wasn't here (or paying attention recently) but now have more time to play.

So why did everyone somehow agree that lynching Scotty (again) was a good idea after his first vote was a landslide?

I actually need everyone to answer this question. Why the hell did we lynch Scotty?

It was 10-3 the first Scotty lynch yes? meaning mafia (a team of 3) was OK with lynching him. There were probably 2 of them on the Day 2 Scotty vote.

So why, when Scotty was given second chance, and everyone hops on his boat again, did nothing change?

9-4??? When baddies were already A OK with him dying? Why was that a thing when we had evidence that the baddies already were OK with him dying?

DrWilgy wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok... So I wasn't here (or paying attention recently) but now have more time to play.

So why did everyone somehow agree that lynching Scotty (again) was a good idea after his first vote was a landslide?

I actually need everyone to answer this question. Why the hell did we lynch Scotty?

It was 10-3 the first Scotty lynch yes? meaning mafia (a team of 3) was OK with lynching him. There were probably 2 of them on the Day 2 Scotty vote.

So why, when Scotty was given second chance, and everyone hops on his boat again, did nothing change?

9-4??? When baddies were already A OK with him dying? Why was that a thing when we had evidence that the baddies already were OK with him dying?

His posts read as bad. Especially the one where he said "I haven't lied once in this game. YET." He really wasnt acting civ at all, IMO. Plus there was the little tidbit where he saved his own ass by throwing Buzz under the bus in his place...not very civ minded, on the surface.

BigDamnHero wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok... So I wasn't here (or paying attention recently) but now have more time to play.

So why did everyone somehow agree that lynching Scotty (again) was a good idea after his first vote was a landslide?

I actually need everyone to answer this question. Why the hell did we lynch Scotty?

It was 10-3 the first Scotty lynch yes? meaning mafia (a team of 3) was OK with lynching him. There were probably 2 of them on the Day 2 Scotty vote.

So why, when Scotty was given second chance, and everyone hops on his boat again, did nothing change?

9-4??? When baddies were already A OK with him dying? Why was that a thing when we had evidence that the baddies already were OK with him dying?

His posts read as bad. Especially the one where he said "I haven't lied once in this game. YET." He really wasnt acting civ at all, IMO. Plus there was the little tidbit where he saved his own ass by throwing Buzz under the bus in his place...not very civ minded, on the surface.

Wait. I can understand reading him as baddie, but how is Scotty saving himself not civ minded? A civ only knows thier own alignment. If I had the choice of me or an unknown I'd take the unknown in a heartbeat. At least that way there's a cance there's a mafia lynch.