Mafia Misplay Mafia

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

It's okay it's on me. I've just always believed in my ability to find town and make the game fun for everyone but lately I've been being a bitch and protecting woofs a lot.

Like Mac here. Or Cobalt in champs. And that was like the one part of my game I believed in. Ig I also believe I'm good at talking my way out of SRs when I'm motivated too.

I don't think you've made this game worse at any point

And town reading wolf Mac just happens lmao

Thanks ^^

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Enjoy a low effort meme

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@risiinq- sheep me. Its one in Jack/Hk 100% of the times, if not both

no. i am hypothesizing a nook/hk dichotomy

why? Specifically I want you to lay out why nanook, as wolf, would be pushing HK, as town, when there are other, perhaps vastly better (especially after the hyperposting started) players that they could have been pushing?

I get it if you think it's wolf HK and town Nanook, but if you flip me I'll be green so I want to hear you lay out the reverse of what you think is true.

do you think nook is pushing you in good faith? i find it hard to wrap around how stuck he is on ur slot

The appearance of tunneling has never concerned me much

[risiinq-]

hk voting me is surprising

[risiinq-]

very surprising

[risiinq-]

when I've seen town Risiinq I cared about what they post, when I see wolf Risiinq I don't care and they fade into the background. That's how it feels to me. They were wolf reading me and I think HK is less likely a wolf than them but I don't think Mac was the only one. I'm not making a whole case out of it

which town games have you seen?

[risiinq-]

at the same time, like my problem with esooa specifically is that they are not really trying to read me

see cats vs dogs, where i was ACTUALLY wolfing and esooa even got there at the end

it is not passive aggressive attacks

they will work with the people they suspect

rn they are blocking everything and just attacking everything i post

You're right that I wasn't that much in day 1/2. I read some of your posts and when I read posts from you in your wolf game with Creature I felt similar as when I read them from your town games so I wasn't sure what to think of you and put it off a bit.

I just read all of my day 1 in cats vs dogs and I don't think it's true that I've not been working as much as I do with people usually, I don't think I do very much and I more often than not try to avoid telling my reasons for why I think a person is a wolf to that person. I haven't asked you much though, which is correct. But I think that's more to do with I can't even remember when we really posted together in thread last day and me putting you off. I still did intend to read your ISO until day 2 I remembered I really can't be assed to read one right now

As for Mac, maybe it's not that clearing for me, I don't know. The way I see it, I've been wolf reading Mac from middling to strongly all game. It probably did come across as less than that in thread because with how Mac plays and how Mac plays with me our tendencies are to provoke each other and I didn't want that. I also just don't want to kill him unless I'm more sure that he's a wolf. Relating to knowing how much you push someone though, that was one thing that was ? from you fmpov earlier, that you were so quick and sure to say you are cleared for pushing Mac. But maybe I am just dumber than you or have posted much too much.

If you want to ask about any players I'm here rn

just one question im pretty much asking everyone

who do u think im misclearing rn?

[risiinq-]

In conclusion I think you're either a wolf or you've got really bad clears up there, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

I see how you argued yourself into it, I just can't agree with it for the reasons I laid out above.

uh. this is weird

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

How is that even remotely weird lol

[risiinq-]

gonna stop tunneling esooa for 1 sec

hk/jack is a real possibility rn lol

[risiinq-]

How is that even remotely weird lol

"i wolfread you"/"i think you are a wolf"

implies hk thinks he is a wolf and in most of the post he treats me as one

then, saying

"i can see how you argued yourself into that but i think it's wrong"

implies i'm town when in the rest of the post he was attacking my "wrongness" as me being wolfy?? it's just inconsistent and pinged me the moment i saw it, nothing more

[risiinq-]

*thinks i am a wolf

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'll let HK defend themself but that is not how I read or understood any of that

[Esooa]

when I've seen town Risiinq I cared about what they post, when I see wolf Risiinq I don't care and they fade into the background. That's how it feels to me. They were wolf reading me and I think HK is less likely a wolf than them but I don't think Mac was the only one. I'm not making a whole case out of it

which town games have you seen?

it's a secret

[Esooa]

just one question im pretty much asking everyone

who do u think im misclearing rn?

I mean I'm fine with most of the PoE you gave except HK tbh

[risiinq-]

you townread hk?

who would u add into the poe then? except for me lol, let's talk about this with assumption me town rn

[Esooa]

probably porscha lol

[Esooa]

but I don't really think she's a wolf she's just like the 5th person I'd say

[Esooa]

actually I just thought about it and maybe Achro's posting about HK/Mac just shook HK a bit and that's why they would have played EoD like they did

[Esooa]

i dunno

[Lilypetal]

santy i just think the ris ur talking about is not the ris in this game tbh

what problem do u have specifically with my slot? do you agree with what the scumreaders on me have been saying about me?

fwiw santy is correct lol and we kinda are good at reading each other

It's not a problem with your slot just the impression santy was giving off was not how I perceived you this game

[santygrass]

Is people voting a slot that I put in LockV tier, yes. I will react soecially cuz I dont like the case at all

She's not lock town to anyone else. Sorry we don't revolve our reads around santy.

Skill Issue . I have goated reads ghis game, I feel them

Mafia Misplays: tantrums in a hammer free game 3 hours into sod

Skill Issue x2 .

The fact I am one of her principal wolf reads is why I care about it over the others

I don't think wolves just sat around doing nothing for the whole day until they decided to EoD. And it's not like Mac was possibly going to die only at EoD, it was all day. And like I've said the way Risiinq has voted me is particularly bleh to me, saying Mac should be probably voted but she's just gonna vote me anyways, with other posts saying reasons he's town then ending in a wash.

Think the same applies to you if you're town but I don't recall personally the reads on you cause well, it's not me lmao. Though thinking about it, I think Jack was pushing you a lot, so that's another thing against him looking at it like that

@Esooa read the bolded. Dont you think that maaaybe that applies to ris as well? What I think rn is that the most probable answer is that neither of you is giving the other one a fair read and relying mostly on the omgus tbh.

For how approached Mac D2, he wanted to yeet hk regardless. It was rather to do distance and make one go deep, or to get a misyeet. The One I'm thinking about first possibility its because of how Mac couldnt do a consistent solve around that and was kinda throwing bs at it. Its something that gives ~pause~ . And while Mac was lead, both hk and jack were on MY wagon , which was the cw, so yeah, wolves didnt sit around doing 'nothing' ofc. I think it is more likely to find 1 or 2 wolves in my wagon, rather than thinking 'welp I dont think Mac-ris interactions are that clearing so Imma vote there'. Think we first go to the 'supporters' tha conveniently line up with the people who caused Mac tonal shift in EoD , and we are going to get one there. Later we see

This is literally the ris I read in Candyland montainous, I think sabi should know what I am talking about zzzz

I barely read that game because I was just banned and my game was stolen from me.

I was extremely upset.

Oh rip.
I found ris as obtown since early D1, and shielded them all D1 and D2 when they were lynched, they were town.
They had the same thing in D2 with the presence Esooa is referencing as wolfy I think, and had some problems getting the feeling of thread, but the way they went about reading into their pushes and stuff? Totally the same.
And they were one of the people who were On the wolf since D1/Early D2.
Probably better to look at the slots that were voting with Mac to 3 distinct wagons at EoD , am I crazy? Ris only joined in the one who was one of their suspects, while Jack and Hk (and Neon to less extent) just went 'Mac yeahhh Villa' ant voted differents slots with hopes that the flashwagon went good. And its EVIDENT the tonl switch from Mac before they appear to vote with him.

So, people reading EoD and picking on Ris switch to one of their principal scumread through the day, that got switched back quickly, instead lf those slots is what tilted me, probably

Queek voted one thing only to save beard-thing.

Queek suspected you-you before had bad read on liar-Mac. Queek saw two friend-allies suggest vote Esooa. Queek said why Esooa. Queek got okay answer. Not best-best answer. Voted to kill-yeet Esooa. Probably wrong-wrong. Not Queek’s fault. Queek not try any other kill-yeets because no smart-wise plan for why other things are wolf-things. Queek asked. None found. Better to resolve beard-thing so back to Santy wagon alone.

Yeah, my accusation is that your read on me was completely generic, sheeped Achro and mostly called out to me as a way to shield Mac, while actually not saying reasons why Mac was town, cuz I feel you didnt have them.
The shift on Esooa is also indicative of how little weight you gave your reads to switch them in favor to save Mac, which again isnt a good thing at all.

If you want to complain about my vote, mods dms are open.

Skill Issue x3.

Like, the reason I came so mad is cuz people just threw ris/Mac interactions from the past day and just twisted it to fit a narrative or just straight uo ignored them? Just to put a lazy vote in Ris. And that is even when I at EoD presented a compelling case ln why the FLIPPED WOLF has and insane equity with other slot who hasnt been towny AT ALL.

And somehow ris is the lead wagon? Like wtf

do you seriously think I go that hard defending Mac, starting the Esooa counterwagon with minutes left in teh game day, and then end there if I'm a wolf with mac?

That's like putting out a big blinking sign that says "I am a wolf you complete and utter jacket"

alternately this is all wifom and you should have killed me D1. you'll never know

~Distancing~ .

By your attitude, If you and Mac were wolves, the plan was that if anyone died this day, it was going to be you.
If you died, Mac was going to be deep. If you didnt, then stonks you would keep that same attitude lf D2 saying 'Welp you should have yeeted me before now Im spewed town'

Like, I stand by the fact that one if these three is true by that kill almost always

V!Hollowkatt
W!Achro
W!Lily.


Other thing it could point out is to another UTR slot without much impact being Scum (Wilgz,Jack,Neon)

Queek is looking for reasons to clear Santy. Queek has not found them yet. Queek has found this.

What does Santy think of this now?

I liked Porscha/Esooa (Esooa mostly) takes about why it pointed out to Mac too. I am still considering them in maybe being cleraing for hk, so thats why I am not going for them rn and have you as higher priority to yeet.
And like, I am town, Achro was town. Hk and Lily are unpaired. So I think that if those three arent true, Lily still is tow cuz they arent with W!Hk never?

the fact the biggest thing Santy's managed to harp on for the scum read he's had on me the literal entire game is that I'm more inclined to read Neon as more town than risiinq, neon who has literally no other games on site and is playing like, idk how to say, but would be a complete newbie wolf while not one person in thread has said otherwise, is just so rudimentary and lol

I dont think thats a fair analysis?
Like, for starters I started sussing you for your debunking on the Visor/Ris scumreads, and still weirded by your read on ris.
Then I compare with how you read Neon and it pings me.
The way you read me I feel like a lot of undeciding and mostly you adapting to thread , tbfh.
And like, if HK is town, you are not being protown in the slightlest, with room to doubt if Mac is a wolf imo.

Do you think you have been towny for me to not sus you?

What means this bit?

That I think Esooa/Mac are fairly unpaired.

ahem i see santy get angry at my wagon and i feel a bit chill-er now lol

sorry for my horrible start of day posts but really how everyone came in to read me was SO INFURIATING OMG YOU CANNOT IMAGINE

LIKE IDC

my eod was not horrible.

anyways, i dont wanna talk abt this topic more than needed but i think my start of day posts are warranted, and most are still logical

Like your world view is a mess and makes no sense

And I'm having a hard time with Santy who went from constantly attacking Macs towniness based on his world view to exclaiming Riisinq is clearly and obviously Villa with an also completely and utterly messy worldview that makes no sense.

Ookay. So, what is your worldview of the game to think it is messy? I explained why I thought they were sr Esooa or why their vote at EoD en Esooa added up? How I vibed with them? Why they keep the sus on Nanook cause it was something I vibed too but then when I switched to tr nanook those post ris missed? Like wtf what is your gripe with ris Solve for it 'being messy'. Highlighting messy, as in, you find logical flaws in there, not something you disagree.

at the same time, like my problem with esooa specifically is that they are not really trying to read me

see cats vs dogs, where i was ACTUALLY wolfing and esooa even got there at the end

it is not passive aggressive attacks

they will work with the people they suspect

rn they are blocking everything and just attacking everything i post

Say it loudeeeeeer.

Like, I dont think Esooa is a woof, but the assesment they have on Esooa here I think its totally fair /shrug.

I don't have a real answer

can i know what u think about my poe

So when you say this:

@risiinq- sheep me. Its one in Jack/Hk 100% of the times, if not both

no. i am hypothesizing a nook/hk dichotomy

What you really mean is this:

HK is a wolf
Nanook is town

Otherwise you'd have already thought of how your world view would look the other way around.
That's not a dichotomy that can be explored, that's a world you're presenting as "factual as far as you know" which isn't actually doing any solving.

As far as your POE goes I think at absolute best you've got 2 wolves in there, likely 1 at most, entirely possible that it's zero tbh.

I don't think Esooa/Mac can be paired in any world. If they are that was some fantastic theater and wolf chat has to be either salty as fuck or full of laughs.
Likewise if Nanook is a wolf I don't think he hitches his wagon to me and then cajoles Mac to join in. The main part of why I suspected nanook during D1 and into D2 until I stopped paying attention to his posts is that he's trying to use meta that isn't applicable here, and if it was Santy would have jumped on that and hammered it, so would have Jack. which also tells me that Jack and nanook aren't paired (knowingly).

If the team consists of multiples of jack, nanook, mac, esooa I would have been dead and buried D1, Ender would not have gone over. They have too much meta about my wolf game that they could have used.

In the world where you're a wolf you're calling your partner town.
In the world where you're town I think your weakest clears are lily and wigly and neon. All three of them are highly skilled wolves and the reasons you're clearing them are rather flimsy. They could have counted on me going over D1, shifted into a weird state where it was clear I wasn't going to be the D2 AND I was defending Mac, which could save me for the D3, which would explain why I ended with only nanook on my wagon.

I think nanook is a true believer in the HK is wolfing case, this does not feel manufactured any more. If it was I think he would have abandoned it by now, but here he is with his continuation vote and at that point he's just shitting the bed if he's wolfing. He's got next to no thread presence and/or credit, he can't really be useful to create cases and make pushes without relating them to me in some way. I'm his albatross if he's a wolf.

In conclusion I think you're either a wolf or you've got really bad clears up there, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

Even after nanook drops his big case, with discord screenshots, it wasn't enough to get me over. And those 4 know my town game is no slouch even after going on a bender of cussing.

I think your POE is bad, basically.

I see how you argued yourself into it, I just can't agree with it for the reasons I laid out above.

I despise this post from the bottom of my heart. Like, if you look for 'bad faith read in the dictionary, this read from hk pops up'

hk voting me is surprising

gonna stop tunneling esooa for 1 sec

hk/jack is a real possibility rn lol

Never leave me ;-;

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Lol.

Clique simulator the mafia misplay mafia edition

[santygrass]

I don't have a real answer

can i know what u think about my poe

So when you say this:

@risiinq- sheep me. Its one in Jack/Hk 100% of the times, if not both

no. i am hypothesizing a nook/hk dichotomy

What you really mean is this:

HK is a wolf
Nanook is town

Otherwise you'd have already thought of how your world view would look the other way around.
That's not a dichotomy that can be explored, that's a world you're presenting as "factual as far as you know" which isn't actually doing any solving.

As far as your POE goes I think at absolute best you've got 2 wolves in there, likely 1 at most, entirely possible that it's zero tbh.

I don't think Esooa/Mac can be paired in any world. If they are that was some fantastic theater and wolf chat has to be either salty as fuck or full of laughs.
Likewise if Nanook is a wolf I don't think he hitches his wagon to me and then cajoles Mac to join in. The main part of why I suspected nanook during D1 and into D2 until I stopped paying attention to his posts is that he's trying to use meta that isn't applicable here, and if it was Santy would have jumped on that and hammered it, so would have Jack. which also tells me that Jack and nanook aren't paired (knowingly).

If the team consists of multiples of jack, nanook, mac, esooa I would have been dead and buried D1, Ender would not have gone over. They have too much meta about my wolf game that they could have used.

In the world where you're a wolf you're calling your partner town.
In the world where you're town I think your weakest clears are lily and wigly and neon. All three of them are highly skilled wolves and the reasons you're clearing them are rather flimsy. They could have counted on me going over D1, shifted into a weird state where it was clear I wasn't going to be the D2 AND I was defending Mac, which could save me for the D3, which would explain why I ended with only nanook on my wagon.

I think nanook is a true believer in the HK is wolfing case, this does not feel manufactured any more. If it was I think he would have abandoned it by now, but here he is with his continuation vote and at that point he's just shitting the bed if he's wolfing. He's got next to no thread presence and/or credit, he can't really be useful to create cases and make pushes without relating them to me in some way. I'm his albatross if he's a wolf.

In conclusion I think you're either a wolf or you've got really bad clears up there, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

Even after nanook drops his big case, with discord screenshots, it wasn't enough to get me over. And those 4 know my town game is no slouch even after going on a bender of cussing.

I think your POE is bad, basically.

I see how you argued yourself into it, I just can't agree with it for the reasons I laid out above.

Okay. First: You take a dichotomy read and just turn it to a W/V read with no room to change, completely ignoring one of the scenarios ris is thinking irt to their read. Wtf .
The you would have already talked or something is like, super bad faith also , cuz ris had expressed sus on nanook, vited them D1 and never retired the sus, but recognizes that you arent paired. If you were interested in ris solve and noticed that, what you should do is ask them about the other solve that you feel that they havent talked about. But you are trying to push a narrative in bad faith and sus them I feel like. Stop dping it if you are town please, and analyze ris. If yesterday is anything to go by, is that the sus on me without actually analysing me much was bad and there wasnt a lot of people trying to solve me, so try to not go to the same mistakes, maybe?

Then, talking about PoE. There are 2 wolves remaining . So I dont follow that statement. If a PoE you think can have 2 wolves, is good. Want to see your solve there assuming there are 0 wolves there tbh! @hollowkatt . Otherwise you wouldnt say its entirely possible. And Nook would be Villa in that scenario remember.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @hollowkatt . Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?

Also, elaborate on your Nook and Jack unpaired read?
Or like, why cant wolves be good with an Ender lynch D1 , to have you as lynch later cause the case on you looked worse? Feels like you are completely ignoring stuff to make an untrue point, or like, even if that is your POV, not caring of the POV of the lther slot could be different and talking it out

In conclussion I think you are either a wolf or you have really trouble trying to solve and make pushes in bad faith, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

What is your PoE hk. You had a bucket in which you thought there were 2 wolves in more likely, and one bigger wich prob 1 wolf. Since D2 and now today you have been voting in the second bucket, so maybe an update on your view on the game rn?

[risiinq-]

In conclussion I think you are either a wolf or you have really trouble trying to solve and make pushes in bad faith, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

LOL

[risiinq-]

anyways, santy, what do you think of my poe?

[santygrass]

@Neon can you reply to me what I quoted you about? Dont knwo if the clique simulator wss the reply, but if it was I want you to elaborate

[Sabiplz]

This feels less like mafia and more like cliques

Also word of advice santy, if you want someone to listen to you repeatedly telling them they have skill issue isn't it.

[Sabiplz]

This is like the fol game all over again.

If you can't reeval someone because they pocketed you then idk what to tell u

[santygrass]

anyways, santy, what do you think of my poe?

I think that rn probably Esooa/Nanook shouldnt be PoE worthy tbh.
Esooa looks good from Mac, and Nanook push on hk has so much Villa convictiom behind it that I am townreading them a lot for it. If you have time, doing a Iso of nook and readkng their stuff related for Hollowkatt I think it could change your view

[risiinq-]

This is like the fol game all over again.

If you can't reeval someone because they pocketed you then idk what to tell u

im not pocketing rn )

[risiinq-]

anyways, santy, what do you think of my poe?

I think that rn probably Esooa/Nanook shouldnt be PoE worthy tbh.
Esooa looks good from Mac, and Nanook push on hk has so much Villa convictiom behind it that I am townreading them a lot for it. If you have time, doing a Iso of nook and readkng their stuff related for Hollowkatt I think it could change your view

who would you add? unless you think the solve is exactly hk/jack, which could def be possible but meh.

[santygrass]

This feels less like mafia and more like cliques

Also word of advice santy, if you want someone to listen to you repeatedly telling them they have skill issue isn't it.

I tried talking to you all D1 and D2 , with logical stuff. And you ended D2 still sussing me.
So I think you should reassess more, and I recongnize me being real sassy here with regards to you probably, which is probably my bad, but I would ask for you to understand that I also have skill issue and cant let your unfair read on me first part of the game as 'oh well, it could happen to everyone' and am holding back the bragging the best I can.
Mostly holding down cuz I know it makes the game unfun but wowee, I am not saying crazy stuff about why I townread ris, and I think that my point of y'all nitpicking something about ris while ignoring other slots that look worse should be fair at least? I know you voted Jack and recognized it tho.
But the way I see it rn, Jack/Ris are prob never paired also, by the fact of ris being a push rn and not other slot in an intent of diverting from Jack. 12 hs already passed and stuff.

[santygrass]

If anything, reading D2 and stuff, wouldnt I be the one who pocketed ris? Wowee

[Sabiplz]

This feels less like mafia and more like cliques

Also word of advice santy, if you want someone to listen to you repeatedly telling them they have skill issue isn't it.

I tried talking to you all D1 and D2 , with logical stuff. And you ended D2 still sussing me.
So I think you should reassess more, and I recongnize me being real sassy here with regards to you probably, which is probably my bad, but I would ask for you to understand that I also have skill issue and cant let your unfair read on me first part of the game as 'oh well, it could happen to everyone' and am holding back the bragging the best I can.
Mostly holding down cuz I know it makes the game unfun but wowee, I am not saying crazy stuff about why I townread ris, and I think that my point of y'all nitpicking something about ris while ignoring other slots that look worse should be fair at least? I know you voted Jack and recognized it tho.
But the way I see it rn, Jack/Ris are prob never paired also, by the fact of ris being a push rn and not other slot in an intent of diverting from Jack. 12 hs already passed and stuff.

.... Again santy there's no hammers.

Hypothetically if Jack flips V then what

If Jack flips w then what

[santygrass]

Ris was the one to vote Nook in D1 and think maybe with Esooa/Mac too and I was the one following iirc. Not so sure about the later two. But the feeling of me and ris vibing, seeing ris make a vote and be an incentive to go there/ stay there def I felt. We BASED

[risiinq-]

if jack flips w santy based

if jack flips v santy still based because at least he found me before i go into my demise

[risiinq-]

kinda felt like jack upped his game in a way in whcih the gimmick would allow it when he became a wagon but also trying to keep it chill so it would seem like he wasnt concerned

so like my vote on jack isnt selfpres and i think he most def could flip wolf rn

[santygrass]

This feels less like mafia and more like cliques

Also word of advice santy, if you want someone to listen to you repeatedly telling them they have skill issue isn't it.

I tried talking to you all D1 and D2 , with logical stuff. And you ended D2 still sussing me.
So I think you should reassess more, and I recongnize me being real sassy here with regards to you probably, which is probably my bad, but I would ask for you to understand that I also have skill issue and cant let your unfair read on me first part of the game as 'oh well, it could happen to everyone' and am holding back the bragging the best I can.
Mostly holding down cuz I know it makes the game unfun but wowee, I am not saying crazy stuff about why I townread ris, and I think that my point of y'all nitpicking something about ris while ignoring other slots that look worse should be fair at least? I know you voted Jack and recognized it tho.
But the way I see it rn, Jack/Ris are prob never paired also, by the fact of ris being a push rn and not other slot in an intent of diverting from Jack. 12 hs already passed and stuff.

.... Again santy there's no hammers.

Hypothetically if Jack flips V then what

If Jack flips w then what

Think its in my legacy post from D2 tbh. If Jack flips V, I would look more hard into Neon, maybe Wilgz . Also Hk still good wolf equity regardless I'd say.

If Jacks flips W , then we only have one wolf left, Neon has a lot more of V points, I'd look at Hk here first regardless. (See them pushing ris here, good for Jack) .

Like, the way I see it, there is always a wolf between (Jack,hk,Neon), cuz they were the ones who boosted Mac flashwagons at the end to try to save him, and it wasnt a coincidence imo.

[santygrass]

Also, from the three of Jack/Neon/hk who were helping Mac in most wagons, I said that I thought Neon looked the best cuz they initially did it silent voting, which isnt good for scum trying for a flaswagon to bloom. And also unpaired with Jack

[santygrass]

Votecount asofrn

Jack (4) - Lily, Porscha, ris, santygrass
Ris (3) - hollowkatt,sabiplz, Neon
Nanook (1) - Esooa
Neon (1) - Dr. Wilgz
Hollowkatt (1) - Nanook

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

just one question im pretty much asking everyone

who do u think im misclearing rn?

I mean I'm fine with most of the PoE you gave except HK tbh

Come back to townreading me smh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't have a real answer

can i know what u think about my poe

So when you say this:

@risiinq- sheep me. Its one in Jack/Hk 100% of the times, if not both

no. i am hypothesizing a nook/hk dichotomy

What you really mean is this:

HK is a wolf
Nanook is town

Otherwise you'd have already thought of how your world view would look the other way around.
That's not a dichotomy that can be explored, that's a world you're presenting as "factual as far as you know" which isn't actually doing any solving.

As far as your POE goes I think at absolute best you've got 2 wolves in there, likely 1 at most, entirely possible that it's zero tbh.

I don't think Esooa/Mac can be paired in any world. If they are that was some fantastic theater and wolf chat has to be either salty as fuck or full of laughs.
Likewise if Nanook is a wolf I don't think he hitches his wagon to me and then cajoles Mac to join in. The main part of why I suspected nanook during D1 and into D2 until I stopped paying attention to his posts is that he's trying to use meta that isn't applicable here, and if it was Santy would have jumped on that and hammered it, so would have Jack. which also tells me that Jack and nanook aren't paired (knowingly).

If the team consists of multiples of jack, nanook, mac, esooa I would have been dead and buried D1, Ender would not have gone over. They have too much meta about my wolf game that they could have used.

In the world where you're a wolf you're calling your partner town.
In the world where you're town I think your weakest clears are lily and wigly and neon. All three of them are highly skilled wolves and the reasons you're clearing them are rather flimsy. They could have counted on me going over D1, shifted into a weird state where it was clear I wasn't going to be the D2 AND I was defending Mac, which could save me for the D3, which would explain why I ended with only nanook on my wagon.

I think nanook is a true believer in the HK is wolfing case, this does not feel manufactured any more. If it was I think he would have abandoned it by now, but here he is with his continuation vote and at that point he's just shitting the bed if he's wolfing. He's got next to no thread presence and/or credit, he can't really be useful to create cases and make pushes without relating them to me in some way. I'm his albatross if he's a wolf.

In conclusion I think you're either a wolf or you've got really bad clears up there, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

Even after nanook drops his big case, with discord screenshots, it wasn't enough to get me over. And those 4 know my town game is no slouch even after going on a bender of cussing.

I think your POE is bad, basically.

I see how you argued yourself into it, I just can't agree with it for the reasons I laid out above.

Okay. First: You take a dichotomy read and just turn it to a W/V read with no room to change, completely ignoring one of the scenarios ris is thinking irt to their read. Wtf .
The you would have already talked or something is like, super bad faith also , cuz ris had expressed sus on nanook, vited them D1 and never retired the sus, but recognizes that you arent paired. If you were interested in ris solve and noticed that, what you should do is ask them about the other solve that you feel that they havent talked about. But you are trying to push a narrative in bad faith and sus them I feel like. Stop dping it if you are town please, and analyze ris. If yesterday is anything to go by, is that the sus on me without actually analysing me much was bad and there wasnt a lot of people trying to solve me, so try to not go to the same mistakes, maybe?

Then, talking about PoE. There are 2 wolves remaining . So I dont follow that statement. If a PoE you think can have 2 wolves, is good. Want to see your solve there assuming there are 0 wolves there tbh! @hollowkatt . Otherwise you wouldnt say its entirely possible. And Nook would be Villa in that scenario remember.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @hollowkatt . Want to you guys talk about more about the 'Meta dont being applicable here part that hk mentions. Cuz I think Nanook statementes where accurate? Like, of them being relatively to each game and a good tell and stuff, so why they dont apply here...?

Also, elaborate on your Nook and Jack unpaired read?
Or like, why cant wolves be good with an Ender lynch D1 , to have you as lynch later cause the case on you looked worse? Feels like you are completely ignoring stuff to make an untrue point, or like, even if that is your POV, not caring of the POV of the lther slot could be different and talking it out

In conclussion I think you are either a wolf or you have really trouble trying to solve and make pushes in bad faith, which tells me you're a wolf.
Soz

What is your PoE hk. You had a bucket in which you thought there were 2 wolves in more likely, and one bigger wich prob 1 wolf. Since D2 and now today you have been voting in the second bucket, so maybe an update on your view on the game rn?

Not sure what more you want me to say about it? He hasn't given an actual reason it isn't applicable here, so I continue to assume it is, and my SR isn't based solely on the volume thing anyways it's just a contributing factor/warning sign, so

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like his defense as far as I recall (tbf I've only skimmed most of his d2 and d3 posts) was "that isn't the tell" into "im not acknowledging it" into "ok that's the tell but it doesn't apply for nebulous reasons that I won't say"

Maybe thats too harsh, idk, but fwiw he'd be in the "huh, I need to look closer at HK" range even in a more normal volume game, and his posts reek of being mafia, so

If he wants to actually get into why he thinks it doesn't apply he can (or ping me if he did and I missed it ig, I will look again later) until/unless that happens I remain happy parked on him

[hollowkatt]

In the world where you're town I think your weakest clears are lily and wigly and neon. All three of them are highly skilled wolves and the reasons you're clearing them are rather flimsy

Can you talk about Neon more and their wolf game

I don't think they play EoD like they did as w/w with Mac. Do you?

I hate how egocentric this sounds in my head but I'm typing it anyways. I think it's likely that at least one wolf who isn't Mac followed me onto your wagon. I was the one who started the Esooa flash wagon, it gained some traction and with as vociferous as I was about defending Mac and given how D1 went down I think it's possible that it emboldened neon to be more Mac positive than she otherwise would have needed to be.
But I can totally see arguments for the other side.

I wish I had a better argument or some concrete evidence to point to as opposed to just thinking about things as they relate to me. Of the clears that risiinq has that I called weak Neon is perhaps the strongest one, but also the one that I have the most concerns about in terms of wolfing skill.

[hollowkatt]

It's okay it's on me. I've just always believed in my ability to find town and make the game fun for everyone but lately I've been being a bitch and protecting woofs a lot.

Like Mac here. Or Cobalt in champs. And that was like the one part of my game I believed in. Ig I also believe I'm good at talking my way out of SRs when I'm motivated too.

I don't think you've made this game worse at any point

And town reading wolf Mac just happens lmao

lord knows I've gotten suckered many times lol

[hollowkatt]

the only toxicity is the one in my speakers

[hollowkatt]

hk voting me is surprising

very surprising

It shouldn't be. You've pre-flipped me wolf in your mind, that much is pretty clear. Otherwise you'd have had an answer to my question asking you about the dichotomy between nanook and myself.
Instead of being able to think of what happens in both worlds you're kinda stuck on the HK wolf world and in that world as I know my alignment I have to assume you're not approaching me and my alignment in good faith.

[risiinq-]

i have not preflipped you wolf and i dont understnad why you are twisting it to be that?

me not being able to answer ur question does not mean i think you are w and nook is v, or else i wouldve just said that lol