Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[Alison]

there is some uncertainty about how much sabi felt threatened by neon saying she would shoot sabi n1

they were clearly aware of the thread as they mentioned it in their post but I think they'd play differently depending on how seriously they took it (ie. how doomed they thought they were)

[Alison]

if we assume my analysis of wilgy's wolf archetype isn't wrong and my reads on guillo and sig are solid then sabi might actually have given an all town POE to powerwolf us

the last 3 names are porscha dennis HK. dennis is flipped town, porscha is spewed town by the mommy comment, and mac is shielding HK

Where sabi revokes the mommy comment cuz I agreed with mac that sabi was likely wolf?

Yeah mac quoted that and said you were town for it and I agreed because it felt like sabi was genuinely butthurt that someone they were trying to pocket by calling mommy abruptly turned on them

idt they'd have responded that way if you were a partner and the bus was pre planned

[MacDougall]

I'd like people to actually read through Marmot, Radishes, SVS and 112s ISO and provide some thought on it. I can't make much of an argument for any of them not to be with Sabi except MR.

[MacDougall]

hi @Dyslexicon how u doin?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Or perhaps the more valid question… does Sabi make an effort to townspew teammates.

I've seen games where their spew was accurate and games where their spew was very inaccurate (or well, not sure if you'd consider misplay mafia "spew" but something along those lines anyway)

I think it's probably likely to be the latter since they knew they were about to die n1 so meh discount most of my spew analysis

there's still something to be gleaned from it since I think sabi would try to take out a townie if they thought they were gonna die for sure anyway, and thus be more likely to push on townies than teammates still but... don't count on it that strongly ig

I don't really think Sabi was in antispew in this game. She was actively trying to influence the gamestate imo. Particularly in the back few pages. I think townspew is safe to read, wolf spew (ie. scumreading people she's protective of etc) not so much.

what? By definition if she is playing the game she should be hiding her partners in the town??? Like sure she wasnt in anti spew but we should be equally careful of her town reads as her scum reads. Is this an oxymoron or is it just me?

I think Mac is saying that he perceives Sabi to be trying to get townies killed (which I agree with, see my read on them setting up Creature/Seanzie to look bad). I think this makes sense if Sabi knew Neon would shoot them N1 and thus would want to take some townies with them. If Sabi is trying to get townies killed then the people who they push for sketchy reasons are more likely to be town.

the problem is if she knew Neon was going to shoot her the inverse would be true because she would be in anti spew. Sabi isnt a novice? I concede Sabi meta to those who know her better But I keep seeing you say words and feel like the opposite is true

[Lilypetal]

there are too many people in this game to sort lol

i get a headache whenever i look at it

[MacDougall]

MR sure loves wasting his time writing posts about how disengaged he is with the game instead of pinging people and trying to solve.

He did that in our only game together r

was he wolf there?

Yes he was a 3p that converted me because I sr him d1

Wait you are referring to that game?

Yes. You literally were just openly commenting about being too busy in the thread that game.

I think this is a good look for radishes too

yeah i agree, radishes isn't with sabi

i think marmot has the most mafia equity + particular equity to be with sabi, followed by 112

S~V~S is more generally POE.

I think we might have a fairly large amount of 3ps, which is going to make the game pretty random.

We should also be encouraging POE members to vote me so I can vig some people lol.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'd like people to actually read through Marmot, Radishes, SVS and 112s ISO and provide some thought on it. I can't make much of an argument for any of them not to be with Sabi except MR.

Im willing to hear you out but I will do this tomorrow

[Golden]

there are too many people in this game to sort lol

i get a headache whenever i look at it

For me the key is just to not try and sort all of them at once. Just pick a subset and sort them. I reckon sorting Mac's PoE is a much more feasible task.

[MacDougall]

I'd like people to actually read through Marmot, Radishes, SVS and 112s ISO and provide some thought on it. I can't make much of an argument for any of them not to be with Sabi except MR.

Im willing to hear you out but I will do this tomorrow

I don't really need you to if you think im mafia just keep that energy, i dont need you to be townreading me to contribute positively to the game

[Alison]

Going to try to sleep again, gn

[Porscha]

there are too many people in this game to sort lol

i get a headache whenever i look at it

For me the key is just to not try and sort all of them at once. Just pick a subset and sort them. I reckon sorting Mac's PoE is a much more feasible task.

Remember when cape picked a subset to sort and then was lazily voted on the bogus concept of displaying fake reads

Pepperidge farm remembers

[Michelle]

ilario has zero on-topic content. Kill him.

Mindmeld. Also Sabi is mafia. get them.

You right.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Sabi didn't even respond to my question earlier ;_;

I haven't read the last 20 pages what have I missed?

@Sabiplz are you powerwolfing this game?

@Sabiplz

Guillo null
Neon slight v
lucy slight v
sig v
Sabi null
Creature slight w
Rask slight v


Here are some reads I have from the last page or so because I refuse to backread further.

I actually find this progression extremely wolfy. Marmot pivoted off this vote, null read Sabi, voted Neon and then never really looked at sabi again. He pocketed nutella by shielding her and then Nutella shielded him lol. @nutella you're a noob. This guy is a wolf.

Then he wanted to pocket me by his TR?

[Golden]

there are too many people in this game to sort lol

i get a headache whenever i look at it

For me the key is just to not try and sort all of them at once. Just pick a subset and sort them. I reckon sorting Mac's PoE is a much more feasible task.

Remember when cape picked a subset to sort and then was lazily voted on the bogus concept of displaying fake reads

Pepperidge farm remembers

Cape didn't even pick a subset. He did everyone alphabetically. People just picked on the one post with the two 3p reads in a row and acted like he was doing a subset.

[Michelle]

Ftr if by eod i can't read much because i am busy irl Mac will receive my vote - meaning i will vote where he's voting.

I decided by thinking at the game in the back of my mind that Mac has town agenda.
@MacDougall

[Michelle]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

[Michelle]

VC

Spoiler: show

Imagine dying d1 lmao
Poll runs till Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


112
2
7%
Voters: MacDougall, Michelle
Alison
2
7%
Voters: nutella, Scotty
Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
EnderWiggin
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
1
3%
Voters: Urist
Guillotine
0
No votes
Voters: None
hollowkatt
0
No votes
Voters: None
Inawordyes
1
3%
Voters: Kate
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lilypetal
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
3
10%
Voters: Guillotine, RondoDimBuckle, Inawordyes
Marmot
1
3%
Voters: Party Crasher
master radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Party Crasher
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle
3
10%
Voters: falcon45ca, EnderWiggin, Creature
S~V~S
3
10%
Voters: Golden, Alison, Neon
Scotty
1
3%
Voters: hollowkatt
Seanzie
1
3%
Voters: Sloonei
sig
1
3%
Voters: DrWilgy
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
Urist
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote/unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sleep
0
No votes
Voters: None
Host/mod/spec/dead etc
10
34%
Voters: Dennis, JaggedJimmyJay, Spacedaisy, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, pyxxy, Lime Coke, sabie12, Syn, Sabiplz, lucy
Total votes: 29

[S~V~S]

Scumlean.

Characterising a town read as a ‘defense’ is inherently about trying to make people feel a certain way.

You are literally defending Kate, don't try to pull this semantic shit it will 100% not work

It’s not semantic shit. The same event can be characterised in different ways, the choice of how you characterise it is meaningful.

I'm not characterizing anything, you are literally defending Kate.

Defending her from what? I haven’t gotten to the point where/if any of this rolls back, but you seem to be aggressively making Mt Gigantico out of Mt Molehill.

If you rolled back on this, and I haven’t got there yet, sorry, but town reading isn’t the same as defending. There is some misplaced aggression here.

Urist comes off exceedingly townie here where the other two ... do not.

SVS backing me up on this did ping me, actually. Especially so much later than it happening.

I wasn’t backing you up, I didn’t like Urists reaction to you and his semantics argument. Different thing. And i posted it when I was in the thread. I was in catch up mode, which us clear from the last paragraph.

[Golden]

You are literally defending Kate, don't try to pull this semantic shit it will 100% not work

It’s not semantic shit. The same event can be characterised in different ways, the choice of how you characterise it is meaningful.

I'm not characterizing anything, you are literally defending Kate.

Defending her from what? I haven’t gotten to the point where/if any of this rolls back, but you seem to be aggressively making Mt Gigantico out of Mt Molehill.

If you rolled back on this, and I haven’t got there yet, sorry, but town reading isn’t the same as defending. There is some misplaced aggression here.

Urist comes off exceedingly townie here where the other two ... do not.

SVS backing me up on this did ping me, actually. Especially so much later than it happening.

I wasn’t backing you up, I didn’t like Urists reaction to you and his semantics argument. Different thing. And i posted it when I was in the thread. I was in catch up mode, which us clear from the last paragraph.

There's been times you've pinged me and times you've felt town. Overall, though, I don't have a sense of you, and I find that worrying. I'd like to know more about where you stand and what reads you have.

[Golden]

But, looking forward to the SVS content when I wake up tomorrow.

[Golden]

(Also, I love that avatar SVS)

[Dyslexicon]

hi @Dyslexicon how u doin?

I'm pretty good. Hope you will be doing better and better too, as I understand you've been feeling the pain of life.

Just started to write a post including a dead player, so I think my contributions here will have to wait a bit still. I read a few ISOs in the night, but whatever I thought isn't likely to be relevant no more. I shouldn't play at work anyway.

The game is definitely interesting to me though, so that's good.

[Golden]

Voters: Alison, lucy, MacDougall

One wolf here @MacDougall

Voters: Party Crasher, Neon, Creature, falcon45ca

Also at least one wolf in here

Creature only has two posts in the couple hours, and they're both saying that there's a wolf on the leading wagons.

@Creature is there a reason you feel confident there is a wolf on these wagons?

It's mostly a saying that any wagon with at least three voters is likely to contain at least one wolf in it regardless of the wagonee's alignment.

In the column of "Marmot is wolf", I think there's every chance that neither of these wagons have a wolf. Alison and Mac are feeling solid town to me atm, so are neon and falcon, while PC is NPC in my book. Creature making these posts in which he was the only wolf would be lol. Marmot knowing there were no wolves and questioning Creature on it tracks for me.

[Golden]

I wonder how long until someone say my entry is forced.

Why, you have a history of burglary?

I have a history of stealing hearts.

I don’t have a read ok creature but I’m not elimming this

Also tbh Creature pocketed me from the outset with this and yet still pushed hard trying to elim me. I do think Creature is townish from this.

[S~V~S]

OK, this Golden/Kate this is freaking me a bit on more than one level.

First, tons of people are making reads for no reason and no one is questioning it, or asking for reasons. All the jumping on a read of old friends seems sooo opportunistic to me.
Second, neither Kate nor Golden have asked me for my opinion, and they both know that while my opinion may be shit on a lot of things, I read Kate pretty well.
I threw her a ball, and she ignored it.

I claim Kate bad because she hasnt hit 400 posts yet

I'M WORKING ON IT!

Good luck, I gave up. Too many people I don’t know.

So I was not sure she wasn't bad, since I also think she might have tried to avoid me when she's bad (although it's been so long since i can recall the last game where she was bad and I was town; 10 years ago, maybe?).

But her reaction to all of this pretty clearly puts her town for me. She doesn't seem to be spending alot of time worrying about how she sounds. Maybe she's salty for some other reason, or maybe I'm not as all that as I think.

@Neon , @Lilypetal are you two from the same home forum? You seem to have some simpatico, and that could give weight to your readings of each other.

the progression here makes no sense to me... far too generous a read, and SVS's motivation here is far more likely to be defensive towards Kate than anything resembling town solving imo

No, although actually it WAS a bit defensive towards the person, I forget who, who townleaned me EXCEPT for that specific post.

I’m not sure what’s wrong with my progression, and I’m sorry you don’t understand it but it is what it is.

I kind of thought she was annoyed at me, and wasn’t sure why. But that has little to do with my town read of her, and I suspect that post had no bearing on her read of me.

I don’t know that I COULD kiss up to her.

[Golden]

GN Neon.

ALso Sabi/Marmot ww confirmed

I'd call this the dream team, except no wolf team with me on it would ever be considered a dream team.

Spoiler: show

But it's my dream team

[Golden]

nutella is v
sabi is v
sabi is pushing a pro wolf agenda
creature isn't obv town
nutella's reads r good

Where is the pro wolf agenda???

Where is it because I don't see it

this is why ur town, but it's also the same reasoning for why ur pushing pro wolf agenda lol

Fuck off.

We can bring up your. Pro wolf agenda in cartomacy

Plz don't yell at lucy.

I know her choice of words makes it sound like you're doing what you're doing intentionally, but if you're town, I know it isn't.

@MacDougall did you comment on this post?

Interested on thoughts on it, especially those who are well familiar with the close marmot/sabi dynamic.

[MacDougall]

GN Neon.

ALso Sabi/Marmot ww confirmed

I'd call this the dream team, except no wolf team with me on it would ever be considered a dream team.

Spoiler: show

But it's my dream team

pretty interesting post given rask is the likely mafia nk too

[MacDougall]

nutella is v
sabi is v
sabi is pushing a pro wolf agenda
creature isn't obv town
nutella's reads r good

Where is the pro wolf agenda???

Where is it because I don't see it

this is why ur town, but it's also the same reasoning for why ur pushing pro wolf agenda lol

Fuck off.

We can bring up your. Pro wolf agenda in cartomacy

Plz don't yell at lucy.

I know her choice of words makes it sound like you're doing what you're doing intentionally, but if you're town, I know it isn't.

@MacDougall did you comment on this post?

Interested on thoughts on it, especially those who are well familiar with the close marmot/sabi dynamic.

no, marmot is a nice person and would pull someone up for that kinda thing regardless of either of their alignments, I wouldn't base a read on it either way

[Golden]

I should do some work

bbl

Sabi if you get a chance could you please take respond to my read questions on Creature and sig? Or point me to your explanations if I missed them. I'm a little concerned about you atm, but I also want to give you space to solve and hope I can find you if you're town.

also marmot v

whyfor?

white knighting sabi in a genuine way

I gave them a little space, but I didn't white knight them, did you mean something else?

This progression could explain a lucy kill if wolves got the shot.

[Golden]

GN Neon.

ALso Sabi/Marmot ww confirmed

I'd call this the dream team, except no wolf team with me on it would ever be considered a dream team.

Spoiler: show

But it's my dream team

pretty interesting post given rask is the likely mafia nk too

It's almost TOO convenient. But it definitely made me pay attention.

[RondoDimBuckle]

nutella is v
sabi is v
sabi is pushing a pro wolf agenda
creature isn't obv town
nutella's reads r good

Where is the pro wolf agenda???

Where is it because I don't see it

this is why ur town, but it's also the same reasoning for why ur pushing pro wolf agenda lol

Fuck off.

We can bring up your. Pro wolf agenda in cartomacy

Plz don't yell at lucy.

I know her choice of words makes it sound like you're doing what you're doing intentionally, but if you're town, I know it isn't.

@MacDougall did you comment on this post?

Interested on thoughts on it, especially those who are well familiar with the close marmot/sabi dynamic.

no, marmot is a nice person and would pull someone up for that kinda thing regardless of either of their alignments, I wouldn't base a read on it either way

hes a nice person! Get him!

[MacDougall]

eh I dunno Rask is an atypical n1 so it does render itself worthy of nka and the most likely reason you kill rask is if his reads were goated

[Golden]

@Cape90 why are you voting a 3P read?

As previously discussed, anyone taking issue with Cape for approach to 3P is inherently sus to me. And it turns out Marmot is one who did it.

[EnderWiggin]

Imagine you're mac, and a wolf. You come into the thread and say you just got major surgery. The town is fucking itself in 69 different ways, and nobody is looking at you. Instead of just laying low and posting a few reads, you go into hyperposting mode and spend your entire day going through ISOs trying to find someone to frame. Unfortunately, you have forgotten that Almighty Town Leader RondoDimBuckle is online and on the lookout for scum fucks like yourself. You are immediately caught and lose the game for your team. How embarrassing.

I cried every time.

[MacDougall]

@S~V~S I'm certainly not sold on you being mafia so I'd love to see some towning it up style stuff to help me with my read on you

[EnderWiggin]

Spoiler: show

Now im off to sleep.

Imagine you're mac, and a wolf. You come into the thread and say you just got major surgery. The town is fucking itself in 69 different ways, and nobody is looking at you. Instead of just laying low and posting a few reads, you go into hyperposting mode and spend your entire day going through ISOs trying to find someone to frame. Unfortunately, you have forgotten that Almighty Town Leader RondoDimBuckle is online and on the lookout for scum fucks like yourself. You are immediately caught and lose the game for your team. How embarrassing.

yes

I might just leave because the idea of fending off accusations from Rondo and Guillo right now fills me with existential dread to a degree that is probably not good for my physical health if I am being honest.

Bye.

Lol

Good talk

Bye

Does it change your opinion if I told you I did shoot iawy?

No. It does not.

Why did you shoot Iawy?

Because I figured he was the wolf D1 counterwagon, and I saw he had 5 votes at the top of D2 and would need resolving. I already suspected him so it was a no brainer to get out a shot that I had to use today (or die myself apparently).

What I haven’t revealed is that I didn’t need to do that AVADAKADAVRA crap. I just wanted the cred because I was fairly confident it was a good shot.

Probably shouldn’t have even said anything just to watch the organic unfolding. But ya Live and learn.

That I have votes because iawy yelled with his dying breath that I should go next is…frankly…level 0.

If there’s one person currently voting me I would bet is probably disingenuous and just latching onto a LHF it’s Alison.

I dont blame you for the shot even though you are in my POE. It just accelerates my knowledge of what Mac was trying to do with the day. So knowing it was you and not knowing it was you would change nothing in regards to the fallout against mac

Also scotty is not low hanging fruit. You have been around smoozing in thread all game. I have yet to see you solve anything.

Now that is a legit sus that I guess I can agree with. I don’t think have been solving all that much. Brownie point to you, rondo

I told you I am town leader this game. I will not brook anyone on top of this hill that isnt in my towncore. Which includes [REDACTED], [REDACTED], [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] but also a bit of an angleshoot but [REDACTED] but that last one I could live without

I'll [REDACTED] your [REDACTED]

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spoiler: show

Now im off to sleep.

Imagine you're mac, and a wolf. You come into the thread and say you just got major surgery. The town is fucking itself in 69 different ways, and nobody is looking at you. Instead of just laying low and posting a few reads, you go into hyperposting mode and spend your entire day going through ISOs trying to find someone to frame. Unfortunately, you have forgotten that Almighty Town Leader RondoDimBuckle is online and on the lookout for scum fucks like yourself. You are immediately caught and lose the game for your team. How embarrassing.

yes

Lol

Does it change your opinion if I told you I did shoot iawy?

No. It does not.

Why did you shoot Iawy?

Because I figured he was the wolf D1 counterwagon, and I saw he had 5 votes at the top of D2 and would need resolving. I already suspected him so it was a no brainer to get out a shot that I had to use today (or die myself apparently).

What I haven’t revealed is that I didn’t need to do that AVADAKADAVRA crap. I just wanted the cred because I was fairly confident it was a good shot.

Probably shouldn’t have even said anything just to watch the organic unfolding. But ya Live and learn.

That I have votes because iawy yelled with his dying breath that I should go next is…frankly…level 0.

If there’s one person currently voting me I would bet is probably disingenuous and just latching onto a LHF it’s Alison.

I dont blame you for the shot even though you are in my POE. It just accelerates my knowledge of what Mac was trying to do with the day. So knowing it was you and not knowing it was you would change nothing in regards to the fallout against mac

Also scotty is not low hanging fruit. You have been around smoozing in thread all game. I have yet to see you solve anything.

Now that is a legit sus that I guess I can agree with. I don’t think have been solving all that much. Brownie point to you, rondo

I told you I am town leader this game. I will not brook anyone on top of this hill that isnt in my towncore. Which includes [REDACTED], [REDACTED], [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] but also a bit of an angleshoot but [REDACTED] but that last one I could live without

I'll caress your nipples

removed the redacted

[EnderWiggin]

Like does anyone else see what I'm getting at here I might not be explaining it well but it makes sense in my head

Ngl you lost me.

[EnderWiggin]

So, little bit of meta for people.

Rondo has compulsive balls-to-walls-itis as wolf.

When he gets strong heat his instinctual reaction is to do something outlandish. Aiming for the "But why would Rondo do that as wolf?"

Now unless I'm suddenly developing my own mental disorder, I believe today's progression goes:

People sus Rondo
Rondo starts trying to burn Mac alive

Which feels a looooot like the meta I know of Rondo.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm not at all convinced by Guillo today tbh. Some of his posts read like "Mood killing" attempts by wolf.

[EnderWiggin]

Marmot
master radishes
112
S~V~S

I think HK is town on ISO. I'll defer to Alison on Guillo. I'm taking sig out because of my personal read there.

Radishes iso is bad. All four of these are wolfy.

I wish Sabi's ISO wasn't broken so I could fucking read whether any of them are spewed town lol.

I think this is a fine POE tbh.

I have HK as town.

I don't agree Sig is town but you could be right on him idk.

[EnderWiggin]

I promised to get something together for someone in here but I haven't had dinner yet so I'mma do that first.

[EnderWiggin]

The gamestate reads like a wolf is messing with town cohesion tbh.

I think it's Rondo because of my own beliefs but maybe not.

Pretty sure Mac is town still.

[S~V~S]

So a civvie shot Dennis? That makes sense. Mafia wouldn’t kill someone’s that is ellimable.

@Kate thats weird?

I have to work tomorrow, so I’m not going to catch up to this tonight when I get home.

What's weird?

I asked you why you were taking votes; you said because they didn’t believe your VT role claim. That’s what’s weird. It’s a closed set up, with a crapton of players. I’d be surprised if there wasn’t vanilla.

That’s a weird reason to take suspish.

[S~V~S]

@S~V~S I'm certainly not sold on you being mafia so I'd love to see some towning it up style stuff to help me with my read on you

I'm gonna be honest; I'm a bit overwhelmed. I used to be able to come in here 5:30 Am, maybe Neon or Rondo is here, but it's generally quiet, and i could write big walls o'text. Now I come in to 5 @'s and a hopping thread. I''m still getting my sealegs. I'll be there.

And I'll help you out; in my one quasi reads post, I townleaned Sabi.

Literally, anyone reading Rondo town because of wallposts and bossiness is wrong.

I get v tired of reminding everyone that in his two wolf games so far he's shown perfectly fine solving/wim.

Also Rondo will agree that:
1. I have the most experience with him as wolf/in general
2. I'm right that he can fake the WIM/Bossiness.

Now, post-d1 there is certain arguments for him keeping it up being town or scum but D1 it's NAI.

Instead you look at his reads and positions.

OK, thank you. I have never seen bad Rondo. i will keep this in mind. My read was based on my experience of him, which is limited.

I barely remember your stances rn.

Can you gimme a quick summary?

I have very few so far. Starting with the people I have at least some experience with:

I think Kate is town, and I'm not seeing the Dennis thing. I am not so sure about Golden, he would come in saying what he did bad or good. It would be a good gambit for him, as it was in Game 1 where he was bad, to get Kate in his corner fast. I iso'ed both 112 and Alison so far, null read on 112, they made a great opening post, but kinda petered off after that, and voted with no reason, which isn't my favorite thing. I read Alison, and leaning 3P or maybe town. I might have leaned bad on her if i hadn't seen her react similarly to Golden as she did to Roxy when i spectated Cartomancy. Also i see some of her points on Golden, even if i disagree on Kate.

On feels alone, I think nutella more likely town. I don't recall much of what Marmot or Wilgy said, Scotty is someone I can usually sort quickly, but not here. It may be the giant thread, but all these are in POE for me. I've played with Dyslexicon, but it's been a while, so same there.

Mac isn't really maccing yet, but it would seem that is his day one norm? Last game I played with Michelle she was bad, and nothing like she is here, so lean town. Neon is cavorting with her friend, having fun, posting pictures. Pretty normal for her, I would guess NAI (never seen bad Neon), so also POE. Pyxxy has not made much of an impression on me yet, and I want to read them before trying to form one. They were civ in Holes, and I was positive they were bad. I think Party crasher is 3P. Rondo, based on my experience, which is limited, is town. Sabi seems solvey rather than avoidant, so lean town, my main imperession of Sean is from his back/forth with Alison, and him jumping on me for mentioning him in a post. POE.

Sig is here, but don't recall much he has said. POE. Sloonei seems detached and waiting for the field to narrow to engage. This seems to kinda be his new meta, being more detached. So POE. TSP is not unlike Falcon for me. Even if i had read all of their posts (and I haven't) I can only read them based on how much i agree/disagree with him.

Everyone else I don't know, have no impression of (except Lily, as her and Neon caught my eye. I asked them a question, wasn't 100% sure how I felt about Lilys answer), and/or haven't really interacted with. Like I said in an earlier post, most people this game seem to be *mostly* sticking to familiar faces, which I guess is normal Day 1. Just more pronounced in a game with this many people.

Rereading this, if i had to vote this minute, it might be for 112. I really liked their first post, but they had a total of only 4 or 5 posts, but that vote for no reason, I didn't like that.

I am going to ISO Cape next, then might skip to Lucy, or might keep up the alphabetical reads. I hope to have a better list by EOD.

And a clarify; for me POE is my default. It's where everyone else starts out. Some of this has changed. I'm going to have to give up alpha ISOs, so I plan to read Marmot and Wilgy today, since I had no real sense of either of them.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@S~V~S I'm certainly not sold on you being mafia so I'd love to see some towning it up style stuff to help me with my read on you

I'm gonna be honest; I'm a bit overwhelmed. I used to be able to come in here 5:30 Am, maybe Neon or Rondo is here, but it's generally quiet, and i could write big walls o'text. Now I come in to 5 @'s and a hopping thread. I''m still getting my sealegs. I'll be there.

And I'll help you out; in my one quasi reads post, I townleaned Sabi.

Literally, anyone reading Rondo town because of wallposts and bossiness is wrong.

I get v tired of reminding everyone that in his two wolf games so far he's shown perfectly fine solving/wim.

Also Rondo will agree that:
1. I have the most experience with him as wolf/in general
2. I'm right that he can fake the WIM/Bossiness.

Now, post-d1 there is certain arguments for him keeping it up being town or scum but D1 it's NAI.

Instead you look at his reads and positions.

OK, thank you. I have never seen bad Rondo. i will keep this in mind. My read was based on my experience of him, which is limited.

I barely remember your stances rn.

Can you gimme a quick summary?

I have very few so far. Starting with the people I have at least some experience with:

I think Kate is town, and I'm not seeing the Dennis thing. I am not so sure about Golden, he would come in saying what he did bad or good. It would be a good gambit for him, as it was in Game 1 where he was bad, to get Kate in his corner fast. I iso'ed both 112 and Alison so far, null read on 112, they made a great opening post, but kinda petered off after that, and voted with no reason, which isn't my favorite thing. I read Alison, and leaning 3P or maybe town. I might have leaned bad on her if i hadn't seen her react similarly to Golden as she did to Roxy when i spectated Cartomancy. Also i see some of her points on Golden, even if i disagree on Kate.

On feels alone, I think nutella more likely town. I don't recall much of what Marmot or Wilgy said, Scotty is someone I can usually sort quickly, but not here. It may be the giant thread, but all these are in POE for me. I've played with Dyslexicon, but it's been a while, so same there.

Mac isn't really maccing yet, but it would seem that is his day one norm? Last game I played with Michelle she was bad, and nothing like she is here, so lean town. Neon is cavorting with her friend, having fun, posting pictures. Pretty normal for her, I would guess NAI (never seen bad Neon), so also POE. Pyxxy has not made much of an impression on me yet, and I want to read them before trying to form one. They were civ in Holes, and I was positive they were bad. I think Party crasher is 3P. Rondo, based on my experience, which is limited, is town. Sabi seems solvey rather than avoidant, so lean town, my main imperession of Sean is from his back/forth with Alison, and him jumping on me for mentioning him in a post. POE.

Sig is here, but don't recall much he has said. POE. Sloonei seems detached and waiting for the field to narrow to engage. This seems to kinda be his new meta, being more detached. So POE. TSP is not unlike Falcon for me. Even if i had read all of their posts (and I haven't) I can only read them based on how much i agree/disagree with him.

Everyone else I don't know, have no impression of (except Lily, as her and Neon caught my eye. I asked them a question, wasn't 100% sure how I felt about Lilys answer), and/or haven't really interacted with. Like I said in an earlier post, most people this game seem to be *mostly* sticking to familiar faces, which I guess is normal Day 1. Just more pronounced in a game with this many people.

Rereading this, if i had to vote this minute, it might be for 112. I really liked their first post, but they had a total of only 4 or 5 posts, but that vote for no reason, I didn't like that.

I am going to ISO Cape next, then might skip to Lucy, or might keep up the alphabetical reads. I hope to have a better list by EOD.

And a clarify; for me POE is my default. It's where everyone else starts out. Some of this has changed. I'm going to have to give up alpha ISOs, so I plan to read Marmot and Wilgy today, since I had no real sense of either of them.

could you be having trouble because you are wolf and trying to hide your TMI?

[S~V~S]

@S~V~S I'm certainly not sold on you being mafia so I'd love to see some towning it up style stuff to help me with my read on you

I'm gonna be honest; I'm a bit overwhelmed. I used to be able to come in here 5:30 Am, maybe Neon or Rondo is here, but it's generally quiet, and i could write big walls o'text. Now I come in to 5 @'s and a hopping thread. I''m still getting my sealegs. I'll be there.

And I'll help you out; in my one quasi reads post, I townleaned Sabi.

Literally, anyone reading Rondo town because of wallposts and bossiness is wrong.

I get v tired of reminding everyone that in his two wolf games so far he's shown perfectly fine solving/wim.

Also Rondo will agree that:
1. I have the most experience with him as wolf/in general
2. I'm right that he can fake the WIM/Bossiness.

Now, post-d1 there is certain arguments for him keeping it up being town or scum but D1 it's NAI.

Instead you look at his reads and positions.

OK, thank you. I have never seen bad Rondo. i will keep this in mind. My read was based on my experience of him, which is limited.

I barely remember your stances rn.

Can you gimme a quick summary?

I have very few so far. Starting with the people I have at least some experience with:

I think Kate is town, and I'm not seeing the Dennis thing. I am not so sure about Golden, he would come in saying what he did bad or good. It would be a good gambit for him, as it was in Game 1 where he was bad, to get Kate in his corner fast. I iso'ed both 112 and Alison so far, null read on 112, they made a great opening post, but kinda petered off after that, and voted with no reason, which isn't my favorite thing. I read Alison, and leaning 3P or maybe town. I might have leaned bad on her if i hadn't seen her react similarly to Golden as she did to Roxy when i spectated Cartomancy. Also i see some of her points on Golden, even if i disagree on Kate.

On feels alone, I think nutella more likely town. I don't recall much of what Marmot or Wilgy said, Scotty is someone I can usually sort quickly, but not here. It may be the giant thread, but all these are in POE for me. I've played with Dyslexicon, but it's been a while, so same there.

Mac isn't really maccing yet, but it would seem that is his day one norm? Last game I played with Michelle she was bad, and nothing like she is here, so lean town. Neon is cavorting with her friend, having fun, posting pictures. Pretty normal for her, I would guess NAI (never seen bad Neon), so also POE. Pyxxy has not made much of an impression on me yet, and I want to read them before trying to form one. They were civ in Holes, and I was positive they were bad. I think Party crasher is 3P. Rondo, based on my experience, which is limited, is town. Sabi seems solvey rather than avoidant, so lean town, my main imperession of Sean is from his back/forth with Alison, and him jumping on me for mentioning him in a post. POE.

Sig is here, but don't recall much he has said. POE. Sloonei seems detached and waiting for the field to narrow to engage. This seems to kinda be his new meta, being more detached. So POE. TSP is not unlike Falcon for me. Even if i had read all of their posts (and I haven't) I can only read them based on how much i agree/disagree with him.

Everyone else I don't know, have no impression of (except Lily, as her and Neon caught my eye. I asked them a question, wasn't 100% sure how I felt about Lilys answer), and/or haven't really interacted with. Like I said in an earlier post, most people this game seem to be *mostly* sticking to familiar faces, which I guess is normal Day 1. Just more pronounced in a game with this many people.

Rereading this, if i had to vote this minute, it might be for 112. I really liked their first post, but they had a total of only 4 or 5 posts, but that vote for no reason, I didn't like that.

I am going to ISO Cape next, then might skip to Lucy, or might keep up the alphabetical reads. I hope to have a better list by EOD.

And a clarify; for me POE is my default. It's where everyone else starts out. Some of this has changed. I'm going to have to give up alpha ISOs, so I plan to read Marmot and Wilgy today, since I had no real sense of either of them.

could you be having trouble because you are wolf and trying to hide your TMI?

No. Actually, it's Too Little Information, tbh. I play a heavy meta game, and not knowing alot of people in a game with 15-18 people is one thing, this is a whole nother. And how would someone have TMI in a closed set up with this many people? Endless possibilities.

[S~V~S]

Marmot has about 3 times as many posts as me, and about half as much content, so far.

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Was this a serious vote?

First

First person to post is always mafia, and said marmot said first it means he was first ergo marmot is mafia

The second person to say second is also always mafia.

Why are you voting me praytell

For not knowing what a marmot is.

Guess not.

Guillo is kinda wolfy like in the Anni g2 game :3

Anni? What anni?

The game where you died Day 1 as wolf last October (although I can't remember if you were chopped or killed via by a 3P)

I don't remember how you played in that game tbh.

This feels a little cozy to me. I have no sense of Guilliotine so far, never played with him.

They voted Sabi early, then made several @ posts at them, but I haven't seen that Sabi replied to them. Distancing vote?

ilario has zero on-topic content. Kill him.

Mindmeld. Also Sabi is mafia. get them.

You right.

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Yet while their vote is still on Sabi, they posted this:

Guillo null
Neon slight v
lucy slight v
sig v
Sabi null
Creature slight w
Rask slight v


Here are some reads I have from the last page or so because I refuse to backread further.

Then about half an hour later, posted this:

Somebody tell me who to vote for.

Hmmm.

I don't see Hmmm in the poll.

Regardless, my lily vote has not given me any feelz, so I think I'mma move back to Nutella. Maybe.

Vote me. There's 1600 posts and nobody has voted me it's scaring me.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Not sure if this vote was even serious tbh.

All righty, I guess not, becasue she thanked them for the vote, they uwu'ed her and then:

Neon's my strongest townread atm. She's the top poster, and a large amount of it is fluff yes, but she does seem to be naturally responding with game takes amidst her shitposting, and I think that combination of content is pretty townie.

It's also a drastic change from Holes Mafia, where she had trouble pushing other players in the game when she tried (namely me)

I agree with Marmot here, I think she is playing nothing like Holes, which is a good look for her. But marmot is playing nothing like Holes either, which is a not so good look for them.

Again, not sure if he's mostly joking, or intentionally trying to be all over the place so they can fall back on "obvs shitposting" defense. Earlier I had said I had no sense of anything Marmot has said, and i still don't. Will finish up after work.

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About halfway through this read and I gotta go get ready for work. As always, i will try to keep read up, but not sure how much posting, Accountants are coming today and they annoyingly expect you to not fiddle on the phone when they're there. Hasta la vista, honies!

[Creature]