Re: Game of Champions 2022 D2
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 8:24 am
Wished you'd all act less a wolf
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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falcon45ca
112 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:23 pmyeah the story is kind of dumb but also really exciting. i'll explain more later perhaps. what matters right now is that you're my official top scum read. officially. @MacDougall Mac pls make everryone know this is my official scumread even though one of your posts read like a s6 finale BeckDennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:22 pmWell now you have 14 posts but it sounds like you're in a rehab institute or something? So I'm not gonna judge you or scumread you for itDennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:19 pmI said that when you had 6 posts to be fair112 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:14 pm to the person who asked whether i have done anything other than make a flashy entrance:
in the beginning, there was El, who is the Creator-God. There was also N., who was the spirit of Negation, and who fought the Creator-God along with many others, as N. believed existence was not justified. N. wanted nothing. I, myself, am the Subtraction-God, who sided with N., and we are together in this endless plight of existence, at war throughout the generations with the Messiahs and the Prophets of ELOHIM. To say, then, that I have done more than make a flashy entrance is absolutely correct. I am ancient. I have witnessed the rise and fall of Nations. If you can conceive of it, I have been there, fighting for the high-ground of having stuck to my morality: that creation was never justified and El and his host are ethically wrong in having started what we know as existence. Personally, I find it funny you think my entrance was "flashy," because my personality is so much more than that. I wonder if there's more to me than you're able to get at times... the long nights spend meandering around empty blocks with cars sometimes passing adjacent to me, the myriad stays in the psychiatric ward which litter my past and future, the very many people I have spoken to in my life who do believe there is more to life than what is seen by the eye and heard by the ear, here-and-there a random night out by the old campfire, smokes and hot-dogs general. You can keep asking whether I've done more than make a flashy entrance if you want to. Or you can just ask yourself: Would I really turn my back on 112? @KZA
112 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:32 pm i am useless in this game but i just want to say i promise i'm villager.
the miscreant psychiatrists and their colleagues have managed to drug me so much i'm not even manic any longer.
days go by and the smashed computers on this old ward are still not fixed.
i have little access.
but i'm still doing my best for the few pages i've read.
i'm still doing my best, goshdarn.
112 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:15 pm@MacDougall - iirc it was because Alison was posting all big-and-tough but lacked a lot of substance to her messages. mostly she seems to be carrying a sort of bravado congruous with a possible wolf roll. i only read a few posts though; i have little access to comps right now. someone smashed the ones present on my psych ward. sucks.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:19 pm @hollowkatt @Sloonei @lucy @Scotty @112 why are you all voting for whom you are please tag me when you reply
112 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:22 pmRighteous is a very biblical word. I am enthused with your thought therefore. How could you be so correct in your approach--an 'opposite' of sin being righteousness, sin being the devil we're all fighting throughout this contest--and also so shallow in your faith? Maybe you're wrong? What?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:19 pmBecause it's righteous. I just think so, maybe I'm wrong.
That sounds like work.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:46 am I'd like people to actually read through Marmot, Radishes, SVS and 112s ISO and provide some thought on it. I can't make much of an argument for any of them not to be with Sabi except MR.
Are you saying it feels like the wolf Rondo or town Rondo?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:23 am So, little bit of meta for people.
Rondo has compulsive balls-to-walls-itis as wolf.
When he gets strong heat his instinctual reaction is to do something outlandish. Aiming for the "But why would Rondo do that as wolf?"
Now unless I'm suddenly developing my own mental disorder, I believe today's progression goes:
People sus Rondo
Rondo starts trying to burn Mac alive
Which feels a looooot like the meta I know of Rondo.
It's me. I'm the wolf messing with town cohesion. I hate cohesion of any form. Haven't used glue since 1882.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:30 am The gamestate reads like a wolf is messing with town cohesion tbh.
I think it's Rondo because of my own beliefs but maybe not.
Pretty sure Mac is town still.
I don't think it's simply the existence of a vanilla. Sabi's roleflip was weird, but honestly someone not dying isn't good evidence of anything since in (almost) every game I've played with soup, there is some cost to the wolf team to soup, and killing one townie usually isn't worth it.
I think maybe we’re talking about different things?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:42 amI don't think it's simply the existence of a vanilla. Sabi's roleflip was weird, but honestly someone not dying isn't good evidence of anything since in (almost) every game I've played with soup, there is some cost to the wolf team to soup, and killing one townie usually isn't worth it.
Oh, I saw someone saying Kate should be dead since Sabi was vanilla soup.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:53 am I forgot it’s a holiday! No accountants! Still work though![]()
I think maybe we’re talking about different things?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:42 amI don't think it's simply the existence of a vanilla. Sabi's roleflip was weird, but honestly someone not dying isn't good evidence of anything since in (almost) every game I've played with soup, there is some cost to the wolf team to soup, and killing one townie usually isn't worth it.
She said they suspected her for claiming vanilla since it’s unlikely there are vanilla roles in a Champs game iirc. That came up earlier, but it seems a weird thing to vote someone over.
Someone explained soup kills to me at some point and I think I get it, but I wasn’t referring to that here.
Didn’t several people roleclaim?
Ask Alison. She seems to know everything
“Iawy was in the POE”Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:48 amThis is a tone read then basically?Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:44 am There's a certain calmness to his presence in this thread in the few moments we've crossed paths. Like there is nothing premeditated about any of the things he says or does, and he is just existing naturally in the game. I don't actually recall many reads he has given, but his posture feels authentic.
My take on Scotty is that he has done fuck all this game and IAWY scumread him. I don't hold the IAWY shot against him, I would have done it too if I had a dayvig, but I do think that IAWY has decent reads in general and is particularly likely to have good reads because he is a member of the POE (POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread). I am not to-the-death convinced that Scotty is scum, but I don't see what you do in his tone and his actual solving has been kinda nonexistent. This is enough to put him in the POE - coupled with IAWY's conviction that he's mafia, I'm happy to vote him out.
Ehh... I don't like this.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 10:24 am“Iawy was in the POE”Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:48 amThis is a tone read then basically?Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:44 am There's a certain calmness to his presence in this thread in the few moments we've crossed paths. Like there is nothing premeditated about any of the things he says or does, and he is just existing naturally in the game. I don't actually recall many reads he has given, but his posture feels authentic.
My take on Scotty is that he has done fuck all this game and IAWY scumread him. I don't hold the IAWY shot against him, I would have done it too if I had a dayvig, but I do think that IAWY has decent reads in general and is particularly likely to have good reads because he is a member of the POE (POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread). I am not to-the-death convinced that Scotty is scum, but I don't see what you do in his tone and his actual solving has been kinda nonexistent. This is enough to put him in the POE - coupled with IAWY's conviction that he's mafia, I'm happy to vote him out.
“People in the POE tend to have better reads”
“Scotty is in the POE”
“I’m happy to vote him out”
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:51 am But mostly I am townreading Scotty because he just has that Scotty vibe ya know. The way Sloonei explained it was very accurate. Like "hey I'm just Scotty going about my Scotty business, sorry not sorry". He's adorable tbh.
Nope! Just my word uWuAlison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:54 amDo we have a way to confirm this is true?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:53 amNo, it's silent. He later claimed he didn't have to do that and only did it for style points cuz he thought it was a good shot.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:52 amIt's not silent, he said the killing curse from Harry Potter and pinged Nanook when he did it. If he is mafia with day KP he has to shoot someone who is town but doesn't out him on the spot.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:50 amI vibe deeply with Sloonei's read on Scotty btw. I also think the way he just popped Iawy no scope was very towny. Why would a wolf with KP (silent day KP) shoot a town in the POE instead of a strong town?Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:48 amThis is a tone read then basically?Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:44 am There's a certain calmness to his presence in this thread in the few moments we've crossed paths. Like there is nothing premeditated about any of the things he says or does, and he is just existing naturally in the game. I don't actually recall many reads he has given, but his posture feels authentic.
My take on Scotty is that he has done fuck all this game and IAWY scumread him. I don't hold the IAWY shot against him, I would have done it too if I had a dayvig, but I do think that IAWY has decent reads in general and is particularly likely to have good reads because he is a member of the POE (POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread). I am not to-the-death convinced that Scotty is scum, but I don't see what you do in his tone and his actual solving has been kinda nonexistent. This is enough to put him in the POE - coupled with IAWY's conviction that he's mafia, I'm happy to vote him out.
My main issue with this theory is if she said she’d shoot Pyxxy and Pyxxy is a civ, which they were, why would they block or kill her? She just got rid of another civ.
You could’ve followed in my footsteps from last year but nope didn’t shame on youScotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:42 amIf there’s one hero shot that I wish I had made, it would be nutella.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:39 am I'd like to point out that I don't think Nutella has been anywhere close to her obvious high wim driving herself bananas town self at all at any stage of this game.
Don’t @ me
I hard vouch for sigMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:15 am Okay the next four I'd like to talk to ppl about are this four. Anyone wanna go the hard vouch?
hollowkatt
Marmot
master radishes
sig
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:23 amI found this set much harder to rank. It's probably MR > sig > Marmot > HK right now, but I forget why I ended up with an HK town read. Did sabi spew?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:15 am Okay the next four I'd like to talk to ppl about are this four. Anyone wanna go the hard vouch?
hollowkatt
Marmot
master radishes
sig
Sig was a town read until that wilgy post, which I agreed with.
Maybe. I certainly think his game thus far has been measured. If I recall, it’s been more defensible of other people instead of making pitches
I’m not- I don’t know where Mac got that ideaAlison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:01 amoh fair I assumed he was one-shot like meMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:57 amYeah it's called leaving Scotty alive til tomorrow and letting him silent shoot someone lol.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:54 amDo we have a way to confirm this is true?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:53 amNo, it's silent. He later claimed he didn't have to do that and only did it for style points cuz he thought it was a good shot.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:52 amIt's not silent, he said the killing curse from Harry Potter and pinged Nanook when he did it. If he is mafia with day KP he has to shoot someone who is town but doesn't out him on the spot.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:50 amI vibe deeply with Sloonei's read on Scotty btw. I also think the way he just popped Iawy no scope was very towny. Why would a wolf with KP (silent day KP) shoot a town in the POE instead of a strong town?Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:48 am
This is a tone read then basically?
My take on Scotty is that he has done fuck all this game and IAWY scumread him. I don't hold the IAWY shot against him, I would have done it too if I had a dayvig, but I do think that IAWY has decent reads in general and is particularly likely to have good reads because he is a member of the POE (POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread). I am not to-the-death convinced that Scotty is scum, but I don't see what you do in his tone and his actual solving has been kinda nonexistent. This is enough to put him in the POE - coupled with IAWY's conviction that he's mafia, I'm happy to vote him out.
if he's claiming multiple shots then I'll vote someone else
also why does me having multiple shots change you wanting to elim me today?Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:01 amoh fair I assumed he was one-shot like meMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:57 amYeah it's called leaving Scotty alive til tomorrow and letting him silent shoot someone lol.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:54 amDo we have a way to confirm this is true?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:53 amNo, it's silent. He later claimed he didn't have to do that and only did it for style points cuz he thought it was a good shot.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:52 amIt's not silent, he said the killing curse from Harry Potter and pinged Nanook when he did it. If he is mafia with day KP he has to shoot someone who is town but doesn't out him on the spot.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:50 amI vibe deeply with Sloonei's read on Scotty btw. I also think the way he just popped Iawy no scope was very towny. Why would a wolf with KP (silent day KP) shoot a town in the POE instead of a strong town?Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:48 am
This is a tone read then basically?
My take on Scotty is that he has done fuck all this game and IAWY scumread him. I don't hold the IAWY shot against him, I would have done it too if I had a dayvig, but I do think that IAWY has decent reads in general and is particularly likely to have good reads because he is a member of the POE (POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread). I am not to-the-death convinced that Scotty is scum, but I don't see what you do in his tone and his actual solving has been kinda nonexistent. This is enough to put him in the POE - coupled with IAWY's conviction that he's mafia, I'm happy to vote him out.
if he's claiming multiple shots then I'll vote someone else
This was the biggest takeaway I got from yesterday.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:10 am at any rate SVS and Golden have spewed Kate town imo regardless of either of their alignments
I've seen him do this as town tho...in fact, it happened in the last game we played together IIRC.Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:15 amhe's doing that thing where the moment there's pressure from more than one person on him that he unloads a large amount of aggression, appeals to emotion, and starts talking about how he's just trying to be a good villager and everyone else is making that too hard for him, and they just need to give him space, and if they don't, they're bad at the game, etc etc etcAlison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:10 amWhy is Mac wolfing
I haven't caught up yet so brief summary or quote of the more damning posts would be appreciated
I remembered this last night lol, pretty sure neither Sabi nor Sig responded to itUrist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:07 pmit's only a fake derp if you're both mafia LOLSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:12 pmThis feels like a fake derp because a) it was announced sabie is a mod in the game and b) you didn't have this issue in cartomacysig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:10 pmSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:05 pmI'm sabi not sabiesig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:02 pm Damn I got distracted with work (how dare I’m forced to work on a work day) and I lost my post.
I’ve got pretty solid civ reads on: Golden, Allison, Nutella & Lucy. But I do think SVS point on Golden/Kate could have some merit.
/slight civ reads on:
Rondo
Gullio
Michelle
Neon
Urist
I’d not want to vote off this phase
Marmot
Scotty
Sloonie
Wilgy
Mac
Cap
Le petit (even though they voted for me)
TSP
Svs
Anyone that hasn’t posted
Prime eyeballing in order of most scumish
Dennis
Creature
Kate
TSP
Wilgy
I know the last two are on my not voting off list, so while I’m. Leery of them I’d not vote for them today.
Also honorary mention is Sabie. They’re here and very active, but not really contributing that much yet. They’re also not showcasing that normal townie indecisiveness I’d expect.
You only played one game with me
Well shit, no wonder I was so confused that game.
I’m striking my Sabi read until further notice and dying from embarrassment instead
Sooooo hmmmm
if he's mafia and you're town, there's no particular reason he should know who you are, and therefore no particular reason to fake the derp as mafia
His TR in Dennis...I found it an absurd amount of researching for a D1 wagon, as tho Marmot knew he couldn't TR Dennis w/o backup outside of this game so as not to appear to have TMI.
I didn’t since it was directed at Sabi given their flip I think it’s pretty clear they thought I was a LHF who they could vote off without getting any blame when I flippedUrist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:59 pmI remembered this last night lol, pretty sure neither Sabi nor Sig responded to itUrist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:07 pmit's only a fake derp if you're both mafia LOLSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:12 pmThis feels like a fake derp because a) it was announced sabie is a mod in the game and b) you didn't have this issue in cartomacysig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:10 pmSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:05 pmI'm sabi not sabiesig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:02 pm Damn I got distracted with work (how dare I’m forced to work on a work day) and I lost my post.
I’ve got pretty solid civ reads on: Golden, Allison, Nutella & Lucy. But I do think SVS point on Golden/Kate could have some merit.
/slight civ reads on:
Rondo
Gullio
Michelle
Neon
Urist
I’d not want to vote off this phase
Marmot
Scotty
Sloonie
Wilgy
Mac
Cap
Le petit (even though they voted for me)
TSP
Svs
Anyone that hasn’t posted
Prime eyeballing in order of most scumish
Dennis
Creature
Kate
TSP
Wilgy
I know the last two are on my not voting off list, so while I’m. Leery of them I’d not vote for them today.
Also honorary mention is Sabie. They’re here and very active, but not really contributing that much yet. They’re also not showcasing that normal townie indecisiveness I’d expect.
You only played one game with me
Well shit, no wonder I was so confused that game.
I’m striking my Sabi read until further notice and dying from embarrassment instead
Sooooo hmmmm
if he's mafia and you're town, there's no particular reason he should know who you are, and therefore no particular reason to fake the derp as mafia
This is the exact reason I think he’s town.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:57 pmI've seen him do this as town tho...in fact, it happened in the last game we played together IIRC.Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:15 amhe's doing that thing where the moment there's pressure from more than one person on him that he unloads a large amount of aggression, appeals to emotion, and starts talking about how he's just trying to be a good villager and everyone else is making that too hard for him, and they just need to give him space, and if they don't, they're bad at the game, etc etc etcAlison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:10 amWhy is Mac wolfing
I haven't caught up yet so brief summary or quote of the more damning posts would be appreciated
Is this the summation of the case against Mac? If so, it's pretty weak.
Yeah it's a funny post, but I do think you're spewed town a bit from it. If only because it'd be a weird play if you're on a team. You call Sabi the wrong name, then she calls you out on it, doesn't seem orchestratedsig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:06 pmI didn’t since it was directed at Sabi given their flip I think it’s pretty clear they thought I was a LHF who they could vote off without getting any blame when I flippedUrist wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 12:59 pmI remembered this last night lol, pretty sure neither Sabi nor Sig responded to itUrist wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:07 pmit's only a fake derp if you're both mafia LOLSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:12 pmThis feels like a fake derp because a) it was announced sabie is a mod in the game and b) you didn't have this issue in cartomacysig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:10 pmSabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:05 pmI'm sabi not sabiesig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:02 pm Damn I got distracted with work (how dare I’m forced to work on a work day) and I lost my post.
I’ve got pretty solid civ reads on: Golden, Allison, Nutella & Lucy. But I do think SVS point on Golden/Kate could have some merit.
/slight civ reads on:
Rondo
Gullio
Michelle
Neon
Urist
I’d not want to vote off this phase
Marmot
Scotty
Sloonie
Wilgy
Mac
Cap
Le petit (even though they voted for me)
TSP
Svs
Anyone that hasn’t posted
Prime eyeballing in order of most scumish
Dennis
Creature
Kate
TSP
Wilgy
I know the last two are on my not voting off list, so while I’m. Leery of them I’d not vote for them today.
Also honorary mention is Sabie. They’re here and very active, but not really contributing that much yet. They’re also not showcasing that normal townie indecisiveness I’d expect.
You only played one game with me
Well shit, no wonder I was so confused that game.
I’m striking my Sabi read until further notice and dying from embarrassment instead
Sooooo hmmmm
if he's mafia and you're town, there's no particular reason he should know who you are, and therefore no particular reason to fake the derp as mafia
This matter imo is laid to rest i confused two players a quick look at Cartoon Mafia proves I confused two players, and they saw it wasn’t getting traction and dropped it
Ok I will take another look I was sure they were out of wolf range d1 but a lot of the effort was in casing cape etc.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:29 amwell contextually nutella was just answering my question when i was asking who i should sheep, she mentioned marmot and I had just scumread him and just dropped the read cuz she said he was goating. I just read his ISO and he shielded her very flaccidly at one point with a meta read which seems to be the reason she thinks he was goating cuz his content otherwise is pretty average to bad. His ISO is level 1 wolfy to me and his progression on sabi was bad.Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:27 amyea i meant about trusting nutellaMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:22 amyes but we were never gonna chop anyone but cape or iawy at the time and i was more interested in trying to figure out which of the two was a better chop than trying to piss into the windParty Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:21 amwe had t/t/t wagons cape/iawy/dennis we should change our reads (except mine i didnt change them coz theyre perfect)MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:19 am Nutella had Marmot near lock town on day 1 so that's the main thing giving me pause on Marmot. I actually personally wolfread him and just tactically deferred to her read cuz the wagons were already well set and it served no purpose saying anything about that read at the time.
Calling "realzies??" a disproportionate level of salt is making mountains of molehills.