The Syndicate

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:47 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:36 pm Vivax this Vivax that.
Get yourself a butler and kindly bugger off already.
Stalker shadow of Santygrass

No, since I want town to win and you acting this way isnt pro-town .

So, if you are town I want you to explain what are you doing. So instead of being dismissive could you explain why the dismissal of all my reads that you said you agreed with to do your vote?

First time I played with Ender he was confident and didn‘t give a damn whether he got yeeted or not.
Getting misnabbed was rather proof of unreadability other than anything else.

Like a little lesson on the inability of collectives to not be misled.

When you do a D1 role claim and live through 2 phases as unCCd PR you‘re either a mafia who didn‘t bait a CC while expecting early heat or NPC trying to catch a bullet.
And if you‘re town deleter you should expect your word to carry more weight and act accordingly which is not on display either.

Your line of questioning isn‘t productive as it just forces me to talk about myself rather than pointing out what makes people mafia.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:39 pm but wigly's not counted in Not Voting either

I believe the script would have caught it as a vote for "ran" which mac would have removed as invalid.

This is what happened,

the output for Day 3 was:

Day 3 Vote Count
SoD: #3945 EoD: #5097

Not Voting (10): MacDougall (13), Lumi (45), c4e5g3d5 (3), Inawordyes (5), Guillotine (2), Marmot (7), falcon45ca (7), JaggedJimmyJay (5), sprityo (5), Schiavetto (5)
drwilgy (6): SilverKeith (9), nutella (84), Vivax (53), ilario (16), EnderWiggin (37), Jackofhearts2005 (18)
ranmilia (4): iaafr (55), Porscha (47), Neon (32), Lilypetal (40)
vivax (3): DeeZees (30), santygrass (124), Ranmilia (94)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (20), katze (74)
neon (1): Seanzie (5)
scotty (1): Sloonei (8)
ran (1): DrWilgy (21)
dyslexicon (1): RondoDimBuckle (56)
lilypetal (1): Hally (68)
nanookthegreatandmightywizardfirstofhisnameandfatherofdragons (1): Scotty (22)
katze (1): G-Man (8)
manny (1): Manny (29)
rondodimbuckle (1): Michelle (73)
santygrass (1): pyxxy (16)
sloonei (1): Ricochet (8)
rondo (1): Dyslexicon (9)



"ran" isn't a player a so Mac removed it /shrug

Could also yeet DZ for no particular reason.
While I suspect that the actual deleter is on Ender and I‘d guess it‘s Ilario who has some pairing equity with DZ in case Ender‘s town based on how he latched onto him iirc while asking around for the alignment.

You really think not dying despite roleclaiming is damning?? Like wtf there is a LOT of people to kill specially here.

And when I make my point on my list you said you agreed with it.

And like, voting Ender were 3 slots. Neon,Ilario and Dezees.

Neon already said that they arent cc'ing and they only made a joke .
Dezees hardclaimed NPC .

So that only leaves Ilario, and them doesnt feel like they are cc'ing or pushing them strongly and I think they even said they could be NPC and Fakeclaiming in their read? Like its not a push still.


And I am talking to you because I think the vote is bad and 'talking about yourself' is something that helps people figure out your alignment. Like, why did you ay to agree with my reads and then made a vote that were in a totally opposite direction from them even ignoring blatant stuff like the npc claim from dezees.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:53 pm Let's yeet Lumi if they can't make a better vote counter.

The vote counter hasn't had a single bug when it comes to counting votes yet, the only issues have been people not knowing how to copy + paste



You have to spell it right on MU, shouldn't be any more difficult for this! (A feature which has a list of players that you can click to insert it directly into your post could be added if people think that would be helpful)

Day 4 Vote Count
SoD: #5097 EoD: #0

Not Voting (5): MacDougall (13), Lumi (22), SilverKeith (12), Porscha (40), iaafr (1)
lilypetal (4): santygrass (60), nutella (29), Michelle (39), DeeZees (25)
enderwiggin (3): Neon (50), ilario (6), Vivax (53)
unvote (3): Inawordyes (18), Lilypetal (45), pyxxy (16)
falcon (2): Hally (42), Jackofhearts2005 (23)
neon (2): Seanzie (5), falcon45ca (9)
deezees (1): EnderWiggin (23)
manny (1): Manny (38)
pyxxy (1): DrWilgy (17)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (12)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (6)
ricochet (1): sprityo (5)

It‘s not me you need to convince dude.
Just the smorgasbord of other folks keeping their heads low.

You are voting Ender, which I think is a town slot. I am explaining why I think your vote is both bad + not consistent with your previous view.

Why would I need to convince other people when I want YOU to unvote to kill that wagon? LoL

Lile, you even had the read of people going low being more probable scum , plus this sassy coment with regards to people doing low content. Yet you are voting one of the thread top posters + claimed town PR . Ender should NOT be the yeet today /shrug

Lily is likely wolfsiding NPC. I‘m not eating that bait tyvm.
If an actual wolf started out by wolfclaiming I‘d eat my hat and poop rainbows.

You‘re exceedingly more likely to find em in the sneaksters. I‘m not particularly in the mood to go dumpster diving in a fire atm and you‘re not helping.

I think i let my vote where it is and go to sleep.

If i am alive tomorrow I have more time to play

I am saying that you unvote Ender. I didnt say that you vote with me.

And the wolfclaim from Lily is a joke that they could easily make as any alignment so you shouldnt read into that but you do you. Why trust the player who has played more with Lily and has more knowledge of how Lily plays that you are also townreading so you dont have a reason to not trust

Town seems kind of screwed this game ngl

I thought this setup looked super wolf-sided, one of the main reasons being the slog factor draining town WIM in a major way. Like there's just so much apathy wrt voting. This isn't a low-posting game where people are still invested and just posting less. This is an apathetic game where only a handful of people are even invested in forming wagons or solving at all and town probably won't get enough WIM going to actually beat a 4 player wolf-team.

Glad to see my eye for setup balance was right

Sucks for town though, the premise of this game is cool.

Lumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:26 pm Town seems kind of screwed this game ngl

I thought this setup looked super wolf-sided, one of the main reasons being the slog factor draining town WIM in a major way. Like there's just so much apathy wrt voting. This isn't a low-posting game where people are still invested and just posting less. This is an apathetic game where only a handful of people are even invested in forming wagons or solving at all and town probably won't get enough WIM going to actually beat a 4 player wolf-team.

Glad to see my eye for setup balance was right

Sucks for town though, the premise of this game is cool.

No, we need just a wolf flip

And to make a town consensus without uselss accusations

Lumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:26 pm I thought this setup looked super wolf-sided, one of the main reasons being the slog factor draining town WIM in a major way. Like there's just so much apathy wrt voting. This isn't a low-posting game where people are still invested and just posting less. This is an apathetic game where only a handful of people are even invested in forming wagons or solving at all and town probably won't get enough WIM going to actually beat a 4 player wolf-team.

Seems like a skill issue on town's behalf, imagine not having WIM as town, couldnt be me. (for legal reasons this is a joke)

!votecount

Day 4 Vote Count
SoD: #5097 EoD: #0

Not Voting (5): MacDougall (13), Lumi (24), SilverKeith (12), Porscha (40), iaafr (1)
lilypetal (4): santygrass (63), nutella (29), Michelle (41), DeeZees (25)
enderwiggin (3): Neon (50), ilario (6), Vivax (55)
unvote (3): Inawordyes (18), Lilypetal (45), pyxxy (16)
falcon (2): Hally (42), Jackofhearts2005 (23)
neon (2): Seanzie (5), falcon45ca (9)
deezees (1): EnderWiggin (23)
manny (1): Manny (39)
pyxxy (1): DrWilgy (18)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (12)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (6)
ricochet (1): sprityo (5)

Manny wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:57 pm

Lumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:26 pm I thought this setup looked super wolf-sided, one of the main reasons being the slog factor draining town WIM in a major way. Like there's just so much apathy wrt voting. This isn't a low-posting game where people are still invested and just posting less. This is an apathetic game where only a handful of people are even invested in forming wagons or solving at all and town probably won't get enough WIM going to actually beat a 4 player wolf-team.

Seems like a skill issue on town's behalf, imagine not having WIM as town, couldnt be me. (for legal reasons this is a joke)

[VOTE: lily] aubergine

should die over ender always

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

for the bot

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:36 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:35 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:31 pm i’m not actually sure if neon’s reaction is wolf indicative

it’s frustrating and antitown but not sure if it’s wolfy

can you talk to me about why you read it that way? @Lilypetal too

I recently played vs w!neon in Sabi's Invitational on MU and that type of response is kinda what I expect out of her as a wolf. I think she can still be a villager here but I'm just disliking how she went about reacting because it's like..really defensive

Just felt like her wolf game

does she not also get defensive as a villager?

It's more of like how defensive she got comparatively to like what was said. feel like as a villager she'd be like whatever

???

I disagree here. We've seen Neon becomes invested and respond in this manner as both alignment.

apologies for not playing more, bad game from me

after i flip keep ur heads up and solve

legacy is santy porscha town

if eod is like later today i might have time to play but idk when it is

Day 4 Vote Count
SoD: #5097 EoD: #0

Not Voting (5): MacDougall (13), Lumi (25), SilverKeith (12), Porscha (40), iaafr (1)
lilypetal (5): santygrass (63), nutella (29), Michelle (41), DeeZees (25), Hally (44)
enderwiggin (3): Neon (50), ilario (6), Vivax (56)
unvote (3): Inawordyes (18), Lilypetal (45), pyxxy (16)
neon (2): Seanzie (5), falcon45ca (9)
deezees (1): EnderWiggin (23)
manny (1): Manny (39)
pyxxy (1): DrWilgy (19)
falcon (1): Jackofhearts2005 (23)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (12)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (6)
ricochet (1): sprityo (5)

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:37 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:34 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:31 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:30 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:28 am do u rly think im a wolf or are u just omgusing at me?

Do i think you are wolf? No.

Do i think you are wolfy? Yes.

highlight what's wolfy please

You voted Ran with no reason of your own. I did too lolz but you attacked my position on ran despite being similarly on Ran for bad reasons

You have said things about my play that are NAI are AI which I feel you should know

1) Incorrect, I was criticizing your reaction to being voted and your overly defensive posts towards Hally. As someone who voted Ran for no reason other than sheeping the girls ( and a bit of omgus cuz i was having a bad day lmao ), I personally know I was in the wrong. It's whatever. So your reaction felt kinda meh in comparison to how I was personally feeling.

2) Nothing is NAI. As you learn more about someone's play you get an idea of how they play as different alignments. Even if I'm wrong here your current play feels more indicative of your wolf game to me. Happens

Something I'd like to point out about this one: if a wolf is preemptively setting up for the "oops if I'm wrong" I don't think it's done like this.

A vibe check between two slots that a player feels is like:like I think is very valid, especially when the like:like is self focused.

Lumi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 5:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:39 pm but wigly's not counted in Not Voting either

I believe the script would have caught it as a vote for "ran" which mac would have removed as invalid.

This is what happened,

the output for Day 3 was:

Day 3 Vote Count
SoD: #3945 EoD: #5097

Not Voting (10): MacDougall (13), Lumi (45), c4e5g3d5 (3), Inawordyes (5), Guillotine (2), Marmot (7), falcon45ca (7), JaggedJimmyJay (5), sprityo (5), Schiavetto (5)
drwilgy (6): SilverKeith (9), nutella (84), Vivax (53), ilario (16), EnderWiggin (37), Jackofhearts2005 (18)
ranmilia (4): iaafr (55), Porscha (47), Neon (32), Lilypetal (40)
vivax (3): DeeZees (30), santygrass (124), Ranmilia (94)
nutella (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (20), katze (74)
neon (1): Seanzie (5)
scotty (1): Sloonei (8)
ran (1): DrWilgy (21)
dyslexicon (1): RondoDimBuckle (56)
lilypetal (1): Hally (68)
nanookthegreatandmightywizardfirstofhisnameandfatherofdragons (1): Scotty (22)
katze (1): G-Man (8)
manny (1): Manny (29)
rondodimbuckle (1): Michelle (73)
santygrass (1): pyxxy (16)
sloonei (1): Ricochet (8)
rondo (1): Dyslexicon (9)



"ran" isn't a player a so Mac removed it /shrug

okay, ty everyone for helping me out >.<

just feels like an important note that wigly OMGUS voted for ranmilia

besides the fact which could have influenced the outcome if not for being invalid, if wigly is a player

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:32 pm apologies for not playing more, bad game from me

after i flip keep ur heads up and solve

legacy is santy porscha town

if eod is like later today i might have time to play but idk when it is

Lily, interact with me. I think you are lost town and I'd like to help you get a foot down, you've done the same for me.

[VOTE: neon] aubergine

feel like it's a w!neon abusing the apathy of the game to blend in

not much going on there lol

i’m not dying to kill lily today fwiw, i just don’t want ender to be in contention and will vote whatever his cw is with my very real and useful vote

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:35 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:32 pm apologies for not playing more, bad game from me

after i flip keep ur heads up and solve

legacy is santy porscha town

if eod is like later today i might have time to play but idk when it is

Lily, interact with me. I think you are lost town and I'd like to help you get a foot down, you've done the same for me.

sup, who do you want to talk about?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 8:38 pm what do u all think of jack? i just skimmed his iso and he looks almost too obviously wolfy

Detail me on this.

Earlier today Jack broke character and provided some thoughts I found relevant. What do you think on those?

i don’t really think wilgy is a wolf anymore fwiw

not really an ironclad read by any means though

depression.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:38 pm i’m not dying to kill lily today fwiw, i just don’t want ender to be in contention and will vote whatever his cw is with my very real and useful vote

I agree with this.

Propose Pyxxy and Falcon as yeet options today. I just think that's better right now.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:38 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 8:38 pm what do u all think of jack? i just skimmed his iso and he looks almost too obviously wolfy

Detail me on this.

Earlier today Jack broke character and provided some thoughts I found relevant. What do you think on those?

wait was jack gimicking?

oh lol

i'll check them out once i finish this league game, i skipped some posts so i probably missed those

maybe as long as everyone spells it the same mac will count it even if it's not the full username but glgl

i didnt even know falcon was in this game

Day 4 Vote Count
SoD: #5097 EoD: #0

Not Voting (5): MacDougall (13), Lumi (26), SilverKeith (12), Porscha (40), iaafr (1)
lilypetal (4): santygrass (63), nutella (31), Michelle (41), DeeZees (25)
falcon (3): Jackofhearts2005 (23), DrWilgy (23), Hally (47)
enderwiggin (3): Neon (50), ilario (6), Vivax (56)
neon (3): Seanzie (5), falcon45ca (9), Lilypetal (50)
unvote (2): Inawordyes (18), pyxxy (17)
deezees (1): EnderWiggin (23)
manny (1): Manny (39)
nutella (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (12)
sprityo (1): Ricochet (6)
ricochet (1): sprityo (5)

@Porscha

Imhotep relays that he is too focused to be available right now

To be clear - my script has no control over what Mac accepts as valid votes, so uhhh check with the host

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:42 pm maybe as long as everyone spells it the same mac will count it even if it's not the full username but glgl

*Yawn*
Just woke up from a Nap braincells may not work as they should.

I think rules state that name must be correctly spelled so I wouldn't play risking that and just... Write the name correctly tbh

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:40 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:38 pm i’m not dying to kill lily today fwiw, i just don’t want ender to be in contention and will vote whatever his cw is with my very real and useful vote

I agree with this.

Propose Pyxxy and Falcon as yeet options today. I just think that's better right now.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Why?

yeah i dont care enough about the falcon wagon to force ppl to fix it but if the voters care they should

I think it would be optimal if we consolidate into one wagon so instead of trying to form another wagon it would be smart to talk about it

Next level wolfing strategy:

Bus-vote your teammate all game long but vote them with their name spelled incorrectly, that way the wagons that form on them aren't valid and they're never actually at risk.

i do like jack's posts today a lot but some of it does hinge on falcon's alignment

i don't think he's wolfy tho

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:40 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:38 pm i’m not dying to kill lily today fwiw, i just don’t want ender to be in contention and will vote whatever his cw is with my very real and useful vote

I agree with this.

Propose Pyxxy and Falcon as yeet options today. I just think that's better right now.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Why?

Skim Pyxxys ISO. This slot has no reads but can put in the effort to understand mechanics at an above average level. I think they are coasting.

Falcons meta is: "try to solve if town, slank if wolf" this is wolf Falcon, however I'd not be opposed to giving Falcon more of a window to spew town if the mechanics of the game have them bugged down.

However, I am willing to roll the dice on Falcon over both Ender and Lily.

Also re Pyxxy. Idk. The no u they put on me the moment I expressed forts concern rubbed me the wrong way.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:50 pm i do like jack's posts today a lot but some of it does hinge on falcon's alignment

i don't think he's wolfy tho

Why does it hinge on Falcon? Just not enough there otherwise?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:50 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:40 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:38 pm i’m not dying to kill lily today fwiw, i just don’t want ender to be in contention and will vote whatever his cw is with my very real and useful vote

I agree with this.

Propose Pyxxy and Falcon as yeet options today. I just think that's better right now.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Why?

Skim Pyxxys ISO. This slot has no reads but can put in the effort to understand mechanics at an above average level. I think they are coasting.

Falcons meta is: "try to solve if town, slank if wolf" this is wolf Falcon, however I'd not be opposed to giving Falcon more of a window to spew town if the mechanics of the game have them bugged down.

However, I am willing to roll the dice on Falcon over both Ender and Lily.

Yeah, I have read both of them, and agree on them not beng towny.

But still think the amount of post and stuff they talk about has NPC equity still, like they are too one note so to say.

So if my reads points to a group of slots being not town, I'd prefer t yeet into ones that dont have NPC equity first , so thats the reason I'm looking at Lily>Neon>>>Vivax rn