Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Yes you’re wonderful, now please solve somethingAllcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:26 pm Ah no but shooting me would be problematic for a lot of people wouldn't it because if I get shot I'm not gonna die and if I don't die people know my read on bunny is legit and if my read on bunny is legit then let's face it she might as well have a green check on her and then a lot of people's shitty reads come crashing down on their heads now don't they?
I have in fact I haven't had a wrong read yet just nobody is really interested in listening to me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:30 pmYes you’re wonderful, now please solve somethingAllcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:26 pm Ah no but shooting me would be problematic for a lot of people wouldn't it because if I get shot I'm not gonna die and if I don't die people know my read on bunny is legit and if my read on bunny is legit then let's face it she might as well have a green check on her and then a lot of people's shitty reads come crashing down on their heads now don't they?
I don’t see anyone chopping bad bumny.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:30 pmI have in fact I haven't had a wrong read yet just nobody is really interested in listening to me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:30 pmYes you’re wonderful, now please solve somethingAllcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:26 pm Ah no but shooting me would be problematic for a lot of people wouldn't it because if I get shot I'm not gonna die and if I don't die people know my read on bunny is legit and if my read on bunny is legit then let's face it she might as well have a green check on her and then a lot of people's shitty reads come crashing down on their heads now don't they?
Yes but I've had to be very loud about it also I've put out reads on everyone.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:31 pmI don’t see anyone chopping bad bumny.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:30 pmI have in fact I haven't had a wrong read yet just nobody is really interested in listening to me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:30 pmYes you’re wonderful, now please solve somethingAllcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:26 pm Ah no but shooting me would be problematic for a lot of people wouldn't it because if I get shot I'm not gonna die and if I don't die people know my read on bunny is legit and if my read on bunny is legit then let's face it she might as well have a green check on her and then a lot of people's shitty reads come crashing down on their heads now don't they?
Hawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
After that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
I can definitely get on board with Act.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:35 pmAfter that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
Correct.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmTo be clear: are you claiming a full watcher with no limited shots?
Well, I rarely ever see you explaining your reads, and I've asked you a few questions to help me get a read on you, but you've either ignored them or answered flippantly, so I'm not just going to blindly trust the reads of someone that is a big fat ? on my own reads list.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:30 pmI have in fact I haven't had a wrong read yet just nobody is really interested in listening to me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:30 pmYes you’re wonderful, now please solve somethingAllcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:26 pm Ah no but shooting me would be problematic for a lot of people wouldn't it because if I get shot I'm not gonna die and if I don't die people know my read on bunny is legit and if my read on bunny is legit then let's face it she might as well have a green check on her and then a lot of people's shitty reads come crashing down on their heads now don't they?
I still think a doctor is likely, I don't see a reason to shoot sloonei n1 they weren't that memorable.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:43 pmI can definitely get on board with Act.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:35 pmAfter that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
Do you think there’s still a mechanical explanation out there for the non-kill of Night 1 apart from Sloonei’s vest?
I think with Sloonei's recent claim, his alignment should be clear to us by EoD, so idk why we should speculate further about his alignment or about if the wolves need to worry more about future NKs. I don't see the benefit to town of such speculation.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:43 pmI can definitely get on board with Act.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:35 pmAfter that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
Do you think there’s still a mechanical explanation out there for the non-kill of Night 1 apart from Sloonei’s vest?
I think if it is because of a vest and sloonei is village that suggests multiple wolves on the syndicate side of things IMO because then I would classify that under SPK.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:45 pmI still think a doctor is likely, I don't see a reason to shoot sloonei n1 they weren't that memorable.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:43 pmI can definitely get on board with Act.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:35 pmAfter that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
Do you think there’s still a mechanical explanation out there for the non-kill of Night 1 apart from Sloonei’s vest?
And you’re completely cool with lost monkey’s role being a weak version of yours? Not meant to be a butthead question, just looking to understand Allcrab better.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmCorrect.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmTo be clear: are you claiming a full watcher with no limited shots?
It’s good to know why non-Sloonei people think of Sloonei as they do.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:46 pmI think with Sloonei's recent claim, his alignment should be clear to us by EoD, so idk why we should speculate further about his alignment or about if the wolves need to worry more about future NKs. I don't see the benefit to town of such speculation.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:43 pmI can definitely get on board with Act.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:35 pmAfter that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
Do you think there’s still a mechanical explanation out there for the non-kill of Night 1 apart from Sloonei’s vest?
Sloonei is the mafia world champion, so idk if it would take that much influence from TS folk to get a N1 kill there even if he wasn't super hot D1.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:47 pmI think if it is because of a vest and sloonei is village that suggests multiple wolves on the syndicate side of things IMO because then I would classify that under SPK.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:45 pmI still think a doctor is likely, I don't see a reason to shoot sloonei n1 they weren't that memorable.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:43 pmI can definitely get on board with Act.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:35 pmAfter that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
Do you think there’s still a mechanical explanation out there for the non-kill of Night 1 apart from Sloonei’s vest?
Okay, asking about Sloonei, fine, fair enough. We probably shouldn't talk about if there is some other protective role out there though. Town may have picked up on things that scum didn't and there is no reason to amplify those things if they exist.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:48 pmIt’s good to know why non-Sloonei people think of Sloonei as they do.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:46 pmI think with Sloonei's recent claim, his alignment should be clear to us by EoD, so idk why we should speculate further about his alignment or about if the wolves need to worry more about future NKs. I don't see the benefit to town of such speculation.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:43 pmI can definitely get on board with Act.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:35 pmAfter that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
Do you think there’s still a mechanical explanation out there for the non-kill of Night 1 apart from Sloonei’s vest?
Nah it cool.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:47 pmAnd you’re completely cool with lost monkey’s role being a weak version of yours? Not meant to be a butthead question, just looking to understand Allcrab better.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmCorrect.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmTo be clear: are you claiming a full watcher with no limited shots?
Yah shoot me and clear me baby! I cant wait to be PGO Ino Child!
JaggedJimmyJayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:58 pm Anyone want to take a stab at a poisoner read? First name that comes to mind?
Orange is kinda null to me themselves but agree with alison's take on sonny them seeming less motivated as more wolves died that being said I find act's posts towards orange extremely uncharitable and it's making me concerned, it could be a bus but that seems dangerous and this stage.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:53 pm Do you have an immediate perspective of orangecrush, Allcrab? You’ve likely said something already, but it is difficult to search by phone.
I dont remember if the host adviced against claiming in the op or sign ups. Did they? (Legit question).JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 7:53 pm If Martin is mafia I think he’s a mafia healer. It’d essentially mean we got yesterday backwards.
I don’t think this situation is a red check or anything like that. If Martin can’t be town, then Allcrab/lost monkey can’t both be town either (hence Nanook’s perspective).
I think hawk left us with an important legacy point though: if the duplicates are just auto-split between alignments, then that’s outing. It’s a silly way to build a game, and I think going that way by default is iffy.
I do think Allcrab is independently suspicious and that a valid case can be made for Martin. So the conclusion is okay even if I don’t vibe with the process.
I think OC is the most independently suspicious player in the game though, and by a decent margin. Bad bunny would be up there if not for Allcrab conflicts.
Knew someone would do thatMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:59 pmJaggedJimmyJayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:58 pm Anyone want to take a stab at a poisoner read? First name that comes to mind?
NGL I kinda have thought this but JJJ been sticking their neck out too far to be 3p.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:59 pmJaggedJimmyJayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:58 pm Anyone want to take a stab at a poisoner read? First name that comes to mind?
I don’t think there would be two watchers in the game, one being x-shot and one being full use. That feels odd to me. I know you say you don’t see a scum reason to have a watcher, and I can agree with that. But can you explain the logics of town having two watchers like this?Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:51 pmNah it cool.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:47 pmAnd you’re completely cool with lost monkey’s role being a weak version of yours? Not meant to be a butthead question, just looking to understand Allcrab better.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmCorrect.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmTo be clear: are you claiming a full watcher with no limited shots?
Again don't see the value in that being a wolf role and he was 100% telling the truth because I got same results that they did but as I've said I could be completely wrong on that but it's a as you say solving the hosts more than lomo kinda thing although idk he's been kinda cool with me and my claim and feel like he wouldn't as a wolf.
Red herring plant by the hosts to punish us for trying to solve mechanically.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:05 pmI don’t think there would be two watchers in the game, one being x-shot and one being full use. That feels odd to me. I know you say you don’t see a scum reason to have a watcher, and I can agree with that. But can you explain the logics of town having two watchers like this?Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:51 pmNah it cool.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:47 pmAnd you’re completely cool with lost monkey’s role being a weak version of yours? Not meant to be a butthead question, just looking to understand Allcrab better.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmCorrect.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmTo be clear: are you claiming a full watcher with no limited shots?
Again don't see the value in that being a wolf role and he was 100% telling the truth because I got same results that they did but as I've said I could be completely wrong on that but it's a as you say solving the hosts more than lomo kinda thing although idk he's been kinda cool with me and my claim and feel like he wouldn't as a wolf.
And you think they did the same thing with healers?Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:06 pmRed herring plant by the hosts to punish us for trying to solve mechanically.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:05 pmI don’t think there would be two watchers in the game, one being x-shot and one being full use. That feels odd to me. I know you say you don’t see a scum reason to have a watcher, and I can agree with that. But can you explain the logics of town having two watchers like this?Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:51 pmNah it cool.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:47 pmAnd you’re completely cool with lost monkey’s role being a weak version of yours? Not meant to be a butthead question, just looking to understand Allcrab better.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmCorrect.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmTo be clear: are you claiming a full watcher with no limited shots?
Again don't see the value in that being a wolf role and he was 100% telling the truth because I got same results that they did but as I've said I could be completely wrong on that but it's a as you say solving the hosts more than lomo kinda thing although idk he's been kinda cool with me and my claim and feel like he wouldn't as a wolf.
Could be. Or Actv.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:01 pmNGL I kinda have thought this but JJJ been sticking their neck out too far to be 3p.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:59 pmJaggedJimmyJayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:58 pm Anyone want to take a stab at a poisoner read? First name that comes to mind?
GTH I think it's nanook.
Orangecrush is the first name on my mind, but I have not put it any work to develop reads on people who haven’t been right in front of me this game, and if I was gonna shoot on my desire alone then I wouldn’t be claiming like this.
Act was the first name for me. My reasons for that are as follows:MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:09 pmCould be. Or Actv.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:01 pmNGL I kinda have thought this but JJJ been sticking their neck out too far to be 3p.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:59 pmJaggedJimmyJayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:58 pm Anyone want to take a stab at a poisoner read? First name that comes to mind?
GTH I think it's nanook.
she has a sense of desperation mixed with desire to low flyJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:10 pmAct was the first name for me. My reasons for that are as follows:MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:09 pmCould be. Or Actv.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:01 pmNGL I kinda have thought this but JJJ been sticking their neck out too far to be 3p.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:59 pmJaggedJimmyJayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:58 pm Anyone want to take a stab at a poisoner read? First name that comes to mind?
GTH I think it's nanook.
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ie. the 3p quotientMacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:11 pmshe has a sense of desperation mixed with desire to low flyJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:10 pmAct was the first name for me. My reasons for that are as follows:MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:09 pmCould be. Or Actv.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:01 pmNGL I kinda have thought this but JJJ been sticking their neck out too far to be 3p.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:59 pmJaggedJimmyJayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:58 pm Anyone want to take a stab at a poisoner read? First name that comes to mind?
GTH I think it's nanook.
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Sloonei should shoot Jay so we can get one of you as a confirmed town and sheep you. Ez wins.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:11 pm I do think Sloonei’s choice needs careful consideration. We’re likely to kill three people this day phase:
Sloonei/his target + bad bunny + chop
I’ve never played a game that used red herring mechanics (not saying they don’t exist lol). Is this a common thing on this site?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:08 pm I am very wary of such red herrings because I implement them all the time as a host.
I think dupes are split among home site not alignment and the two watcher thing isn't why id kill crabsJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 7:53 pm If Martin is mafia I think he’s a mafia healer. It’d essentially mean we got yesterday backwards.
I don’t think this situation is a red check or anything like that. If Martin can’t be town, then Allcrab/lost monkey can’t both be town either (hence Nanook’s perspective).
I think hawk left us with an important legacy point though: if the duplicates are just auto-split between alignments, then that’s outing. It’s a silly way to build a game, and I think going that way by default is iffy.
I do think Allcrab is independently suspicious and that a valid case can be made for Martin. So the conclusion is okay even if I don’t vibe with the process.
I think OC is the most independently suspicious player in the game though, and by a decent margin. Bad bunny would be up there if not for Allcrab conflicts.
Just be brave and sheep anyway.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:12 pmSloonei should shoot Jay so we can get one of you as a confirmed town and sheep you. Ez wins.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:11 pm I do think Sloonei’s choice needs careful consideration. We’re likely to kill three people this day phase:
Sloonei/his target + bad bunny + chop
