The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:52 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:44 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:42 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:27 pm nutella has been pretty widely townread when i've been around except for a couple pet-pushes
Why sig claims the shot instead of keeping quite as a wolf Alexa?
WIFOM? i don't know. i'd like this argument better if they weren't already a top wagon when they did it
What is the benefit of WIFOM here instead of just keeping it for yourself and not look sus for it?
Because sig was already sussed. Like, the highest wagon. So keeping it to yourself or not keeping yourself wouldn't really move the needle in that position. "Lol a wolf wouldn't announce that" could always be a hope. Or maybe they thought nutella was more POE'd than they are considering their post before it.

idk, sig could be a villager/i could be wrong but i wouldn't give them points for shooting nut

I do give him points. If a wolf is highly suspected, why shoot Nutella who was widely townread by most and admit it?
We both have wolfed, we wouldn’t say shit.

I also give him points because it got me out of my suspicion of you to be honest.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 pm**

This day is still pretty chaotic and feels like everybody is being defended for some shit reason

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:05 pm**

If I was wolf and being suspected I would definitely claim/hint having a good role vaguely to discourage votes on me so hollowkatt is still sus

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:05 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 pm This day is still pretty chaotic and feels like everybody is being defended for some shit reason

To be fair, when the host basically asks everyone to give their top 8 scum it'd be a miracle if a consensus was agreed upon.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:06 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:05 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 pm This day is still pretty chaotic and feels like everybody is being defended for some shit reason
To be fair, when the host basically asks everyone to give their top 8 scum it'd be a miracle if a consensus was agreed upon.

but we can't even settle on a single wolf

There are 21 names and all of them seem to be defended by someone

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:09 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:06 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:05 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 pm This day is still pretty chaotic and feels like everybody is being defended for some shit reason
To be fair, when the host basically asks everyone to give their top 8 scum it'd be a miracle if a consensus was agreed upon.
but we can't even settle on a single wolf

There are 21 names and all of them seem to be defended by someone

We've done a somewhat good job at choose who not to vote up.
But yeah. Wiggly, Sig, and Mac are like the closest to a consensus.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:09 pm**

Seanzie ( 7 ): Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, sean, radishes, c4
NotAnAxehole ( 4 ): Guillotine, alexa, Phil and Gloria, ilario
EnderWiggin ( 3 ): dyslexicon, jpic, falcon
112 ( 1 ): Sloonei
Dyslexicon ( 1 ): BoKnows
falcon45ca ( 1 ): 112
Porscha ( 1 ): linearpoint
sig ( 1 ): hollowkatt
Not Voting ( 3 ): Creature, sig, porscha

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:09 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:52 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:44 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:42 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:27 pm nutella has been pretty widely townread when i've been around except for a couple pet-pushes
Why sig claims the shot instead of keeping quite as a wolf Alexa?
WIFOM? i don't know. i'd like this argument better if they weren't already a top wagon when they did it
What is the benefit of WIFOM here instead of just keeping it for yourself and not look sus for it?
Because sig was already sussed. Like, the highest wagon. So keeping it to yourself or not keeping yourself wouldn't really move the needle in that position. "Lol a wolf wouldn't announce that" could always be a hope. Or maybe they thought nutella was more POE'd than they are considering their post before it.

idk, sig could be a villager/i could be wrong but i wouldn't give them points for shooting nut
I do give him points. If a wolf is highly suspected, why shoot Nutella who was widely townread by most and admit it?
We both have wolfed, we wouldn’t say shit.

I also give him points because it got me out of my suspicion of you to be honest.

You've wolfed with sig before?

It is pretty suboptimal as wolf, I'll give you that. But it feels so backwards to go "okay this person who I was sus of just shot my top townread villager then peaced out, I guess they are not a wolf."

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:10 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:06 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:05 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 pm This day is still pretty chaotic and feels like everybody is being defended for some shit reason
To be fair, when the host basically asks everyone to give their top 8 scum it'd be a miracle if a consensus was agreed upon.
but we can't even settle on a single wolf

There are 21 names and all of them seem to be defended by someone

TBF if everyone agreed then it would probably make that person a villager lol

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:10 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:00 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:00 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:59 pm Still pretty sure 112 can only be at worst a 3p.
Not really in favor of uping them.
Think we can get wolf within DrWilgy, sabie12 and TonyStarkPrime?
Honestly probably more than one. Like 2-3.

no shot you actually believe this right?

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:10 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:10 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:06 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:05 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 pm This day is still pretty chaotic and feels like everybody is being defended for some shit reason
To be fair, when the host basically asks everyone to give their top 8 scum it'd be a miracle if a consensus was agreed upon.
but we can't even settle on a single wolf

There are 21 names and all of them seem to be defended by someone
TBF if everyone agreed then it would probably make that person a villager lol

That's pretty much why Wiggly wagon slowed down.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:12 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:09 pm Seanzie ( 7 ): Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, sean, radishes, c4
NotAnAxehole ( 4 ): Guillotine, alexa, Phil and Gloria, ilario
EnderWiggin ( 3 ): dyslexicon, jpic, falcon
112 ( 1 ): Sloonei
Dyslexicon ( 1 ): BoKnows
falcon45ca ( 1 ): 112
Porscha ( 1 ): linearpoint
sig ( 1 ): hollowkatt
Not Voting ( 3 ): Creature, sig, porscha

Paopan/Belzy/TonyStarkPrime/DrWilgy should still contain wolf, especially if DrWilgy is wolf
DrWilgy wagon I think heavily relies whether DrWilgy is town or wolf. If DrWilgy is wolf, I'm inclined to believe there should have wolf within sabie12/dyachei/Master Radishes/c4e5g3d5
NotAnAxehole wagon being all unflipped makes me believe there should have one wolf there
EnderWigging wagon already has a flipped wolf and perhaps this may be the only wolf there but I'm not sure
Not sure what to make out of the vanity voters or non-voters

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:12 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:10 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:00 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:00 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:59 pm Still pretty sure 112 can only be at worst a 3p.
Not really in favor of uping them.
Think we can get wolf within DrWilgy, sabie12 and TonyStarkPrime?
Honestly probably more than one. Like 2-3.

no shot you actually believe this right?

Well TSP has bad EoD and Dizzy's posts look like heavy distancing from you.
So if you and TSP aren't both scum that's impressive.
Sabie also has been generally ify so even if 1 of you and TSP flipped Town then Sabie is still an above average chance to flip scum.
So yeah. 2-3.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:13 pm**

Paopan/Belzy/TonyStarkPrime/DrWilgy

Who is wolf here?

Guillotine/alexa/Phil and Gloria/ilario

What about here?

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:13 pm**

Why do I now think ilario could definitely have shot their wolf buddy here?

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:14 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:13 pm Paopan/Belzy/TonyStarkPrime/DrWilgy

Who is wolf here?

Guillotine/alexa/Phil and Gloria/ilario

What about here?

first group, remove belzy and 1 in those 3

second group, most likely to be Mac but idk, could all be town

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:14 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:13 pm Why do I now think ilario could definitely have shot their wolf buddy here?

i don't think ilario would shoot dizzy as W/W

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:15 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:13 pm Why do I now think ilario could definitely have shot their wolf buddy here?

Why would you think that?

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:15 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:09 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:52 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:44 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:42 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:27 pm nutella has been pretty widely townread when i've been around except for a couple pet-pushes
Why sig claims the shot instead of keeping quite as a wolf Alexa?
WIFOM? i don't know. i'd like this argument better if they weren't already a top wagon when they did it
What is the benefit of WIFOM here instead of just keeping it for yourself and not look sus for it?
Because sig was already sussed. Like, the highest wagon. So keeping it to yourself or not keeping yourself wouldn't really move the needle in that position. "Lol a wolf wouldn't announce that" could always be a hope. Or maybe they thought nutella was more POE'd than they are considering their post before it.

idk, sig could be a villager/i could be wrong but i wouldn't give them points for shooting nut
I do give him points. If a wolf is highly suspected, why shoot Nutella who was widely townread by most and admit it?
We both have wolfed, we wouldn’t say shit.

I also give him points because it got me out of my suspicion of you to be honest.
You've wolfed with sig before?

It is pretty suboptimal as wolf, I'll give you that. But it feels so backwards to go "okay this person who I was sus of just shot my top townread villager then peaced out, I guess they are not a wolf."

No never had the pleasure to wolf with but… if Sig is a wolf under scrutiny claiming that shot when he didnt have to… gutsy play, too risky! I would be mad if i was his wolf partner tbh.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:15 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:12 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:09 pm Seanzie ( 7 ): Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, sean, radishes, c4
NotAnAxehole ( 4 ): Guillotine, alexa, Phil and Gloria, ilario
EnderWiggin ( 3 ): dyslexicon, jpic, falcon
112 ( 1 ): Sloonei
Dyslexicon ( 1 ): BoKnows
falcon45ca ( 1 ): 112
Porscha ( 1 ): linearpoint
sig ( 1 ): hollowkatt
Not Voting ( 3 ): Creature, sig, porscha
Paopan/Belzy/TonyStarkPrime/DrWilgy should still contain wolf, especially if DrWilgy is wolf
DrWilgy wagon I think heavily relies whether DrWilgy is town or wolf. If DrWilgy is wolf, I'm inclined to believe there should have wolf within sabie12/dyachei/Master Radishes/c4e5g3d5
NotAnAxehole wagon being all unflipped makes me believe there should have one wolf there
EnderWigging wagon already has a flipped wolf and perhaps this may be the only wolf there but I'm not sure
Not sure what to make out of the vanity voters or non-voters

Point 1: Wilgy is wolf if Wilgy is wolf

Point 2: What if I'm town?

You are preflipping on the assumption that I'm wolf here and I'm unsure why?

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:17 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:12 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:10 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:00 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:00 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:59 pm Still pretty sure 112 can only be at worst a 3p.
Not really in favor of uping them.
Think we can get wolf within DrWilgy, sabie12 and TonyStarkPrime?
Honestly probably more than one. Like 2-3.

no shot you actually believe this right?
Well TSP has bad EoD and Dizzy's posts look like heavy distancing from you.
So if you and TSP aren't both scum that's impressive.
Sabie also has been generally ify so even if 1 of you and TSP flipped Town then Sabie is still an above average chance to flip scum.
So yeah. 2-3.

Plot twist, Dizzy is a confirmed wolf and setting up my misyeet would be easy. Never mind the fact that I'd think my questions to Dizzy and our crossposting makes us not teammate compatible, but that's just me.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:17 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:12 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:09 pm Seanzie ( 7 ): Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
DrWilgy ( 6 ): sabie, dyachei, ender, sean, radishes, c4
NotAnAxehole ( 4 ): Guillotine, alexa, Phil and Gloria, ilario
EnderWiggin ( 3 ): dyslexicon, jpic, falcon
112 ( 1 ): Sloonei
Dyslexicon ( 1 ): BoKnows
falcon45ca ( 1 ): 112
Porscha ( 1 ): linearpoint
sig ( 1 ): hollowkatt
Not Voting ( 3 ): Creature, sig, porscha
Paopan/Belzy/TonyStarkPrime/DrWilgy should still contain wolf, especially if DrWilgy is wolf
DrWilgy wagon I think heavily relies whether DrWilgy is town or wolf. If DrWilgy is wolf, I'm inclined to believe there should have wolf within sabie12/dyachei/Master Radishes/c4e5g3d5
NotAnAxehole wagon being all unflipped makes me believe there should have one wolf there
EnderWigging wagon already has a flipped wolf and perhaps this may be the only wolf there but I'm not sure
Not sure what to make out of the vanity voters or non-voters

"DrWilgy wagon I think heavily relies whether DrWilgy is town or wolf. If DrWilgy is wolf, I'm inclined to believe there should have wolf within sabie12/dyachei/Master Radishes/c4e5g3d5"

Oh wait, I meant "If DrWilgy is town"

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:18 pm**

I promised to talk some more about my c4 suspicion. It seems he has gained sufficient momentum since last night anyway, but I will still dump my thoughts into the thread.

Something that I feel is sometimes true about mafia members is that they struggle to actively pursue suspicions. It is one thing to name suspects and place votes, but it is another to flesh out reads and have them develop in real time. Making up fake arguments about a person about why they are lying when you know that they are not can be a difficult thing to do, especially when the person you are targeting is capable of being more vocal than you about it. The result is a bunch of stagnant suspicions that fail to take off, with more energy spent arguing (truthfully) about why certain players are town instead of mafia.

I think I see this trend playing out in c4's posts. Observe:

Spoiler: show

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:53 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm The fact that Creature can only bring himself to talk about one thing so far is wolfy.

The fact that he's clearly beenfollowing along live for a reasonable amount of time given how quickly he voted nut makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's a piece of mechanical information also makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's an obviously fake redcheck also makes it wolfier.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:39 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?
Derp denied

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:05 pm @Sloonei post

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:14 pm I feel like I shouldn't be the one towncasing myself
Then lemme do it

Creature's strings of posts of talking to himself came off as pure and more drawn out than w!Creature would bother with

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:03 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:00 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Sup
hey gamer what's poppin
You feel wolfy from a glance

Are you a wolf?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:12 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:10 pm C4, shoot:

Scotty (scummy)

Bo (as KZA wanted)

or

Wilgy (as he requested)
Could totally shoot Scotty

Bo seems to be genuinely enjoying himself and is decently polarized but since both of you know him better do you have specific insights?

Wilgy lolno

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:26 pm Yeah Mac isn't towny lul

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:19 pm Ender townreaders talk to me about Ender pls

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:30 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Where's that spark I saw in RYM 96

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:44 pm i think paopan may be town rn based on his response and my spiritual vote is not on him, just haven't figured out where to go yet

@dyachei what's your read on me rn?
I have an idea of where you can go

Were you paying attention to Sloonei's posting in RYM perchance? It was miles townier than this even with low engagement.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:59 pm I'm very tempted to just shoot Sloon

Etc.

C4's most substantive Day 1 posts are an exchange with Porscha that lists reasons to suspect her, but never develops in any meaningful way. The rest of c4's Day 1 feels like aimless prodding and asking for direction on who to shoot. I am lacking the full context leading up to his decision to shoot Bo, but based on c4's posts alone I do not find his process to be all that convincing.
The suspects c4 does prod for most of Day 1 are easy options. He starts with Creature, whose playstyle invites suspicion, especially early on. Then he shifts to Porscha, an unfamiliar face with light activity. Then he spends a few posts prodding me with no direction because of my absence/lack of spark. But c4 never actually put real pressure on me. He demanded that I post and then didn't have anything to say to me when I did.

Compare all of this to the amount of time and energy c4 puts into townreading people on Day 1. I am having trouble finding any evidence that he is making a sincere effort to uncover suspects. He steps in to declare town reads every once in a while, and then gropes around listlessly at potential suspects. I'm uninspired by all of this. If c4 is town, I need to see him demonstrate that he is actually trying to develop reads on players.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:18 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:15 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:09 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:52 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:44 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:42 pm

Why sig claims the shot instead of keeping quite as a wolf Alexa?
WIFOM? i don't know. i'd like this argument better if they weren't already a top wagon when they did it
What is the benefit of WIFOM here instead of just keeping it for yourself and not look sus for it?
Because sig was already sussed. Like, the highest wagon. So keeping it to yourself or not keeping yourself wouldn't really move the needle in that position. "Lol a wolf wouldn't announce that" could always be a hope. Or maybe they thought nutella was more POE'd than they are considering their post before it.

idk, sig could be a villager/i could be wrong but i wouldn't give them points for shooting nut
I do give him points. If a wolf is highly suspected, why shoot Nutella who was widely townread by most and admit it?
We both have wolfed, we wouldn’t say shit.

I also give him points because it got me out of my suspicion of you to be honest.
You've wolfed with sig before?

It is pretty suboptimal as wolf, I'll give you that. But it feels so backwards to go "okay this person who I was sus of just shot my top townread villager then peaced out, I guess they are not a wolf."
No never had the pleasure to wolf with but… if Sig is a wolf under scrutiny claiming that shot when he didnt have to… gutsy play, too risky! I would be mad if i was his wolf partner tbh.

do any syndicate regulars have any input on if this is something sig would do as wolf?

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:18 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:13 pm Paopan/Belzy/TonyStarkPrime/DrWilgy

Who is wolf here?

Guillotine/alexa/Phil and Gloria/ilario

What about here?

To choose exactly one from each?

Probably TPS and Mac.

Paopan is back and forth possibly scum possibly Town so it's a coinflip.
Belzy seems to have some information that might point to them being Town, but wont say because of soup.
TSP pretty much drove the EoD.
Wiggly and Dizzy's interactions look pretty bad for Wiggly.
TSP > Wiggly > Paopan
Probs not Belzy unless Belzy lives a long while

Gullio has been off and on, Neeko isn't sure but leaning scum.
Alexa seemed to have a scummy start, but Nutella flip actually looks pretty good for Alexa.
Mac Neeko has been balancing between a Null and Scumlean all game and Mac just feels likely to be picked by a Mafia Captain which Dizzy flip kind of implies happened.
ilario basically confirmed.
Mac > Gullio > Alexa
Probs not ilario unless he never dies in which case might have been a bus shot since both were at high votes when it occured.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:19 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:13 pm Paopan/Belzy/TonyStarkPrime/DrWilgy

Who is wolf here?

Guillotine/alexa/Phil and Gloria/ilario

What about here?

Pao/Phil&G

Not too difficult of a question here.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:19 pm**

Just realized the Syndicate game I posted the most was Inception mafia with 491 posts. I'm now three posts away from breaking this personal record.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:20 pm**

What do you all make of Paopan claiming protective role out of the blue?

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:20 pm**

Neeko thinks Creature is just trying to reaffirm that we cannot even remotely reach a consensus.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:20 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:19 pm Just realized the Syndicate game I posted the most was Inception mafia with 491 posts. I'm now three posts away from breaking this personal record.

Really wished I was dominating this game though

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:21 pm**

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:20 pm What do you all make of Paopan claiming protective role out of the blue?

Neeko commented on that.
Paopan in Fortune of Lies did the same thing when slightly pressured (they were Mafia Lie Detector).
Paopan is very quick to claim as Mafia, Neeko hasn't played with Town!Paopan to know if they also do so as Town, but Neeko suspects that personality trait carries over.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:22 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:20 pm Neeko thinks Creature is just trying to reaffirm that we cannot even remotely reach a consensus.

It's like watching powerlessly the Malthusian theory in action

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:23 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:21 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:20 pm What do you all make of Paopan claiming protective role out of the blue?
Neeko commented on that.
Paopan in Fortune of Lies did the same thing when slightly pressured (they were Mafia Lie Detector).
Paopan is very quick to claim as Mafia, Neeko hasn't played with Town!Paopan to know if they also do so as Town, but Neeko suspects that personality trait carries over.

If Paopan can claim protective role right out of the blue as wolf, then I can no longer townread them and they're back on the menu

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:24 pm**

I have not seen Paopan make any posts that could not have come from mafia in this game.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:24 pm**

Neeko may be wrong about order of events but Paopan claimed Lie Detector out of the blue not Protective.
Still an out of the blue claim long before dayend.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:25 pm**

But again neeko thinks it can come from either Town or Mafia Paopan and is closer to NAI.
Paopan probably is a protective though. Not sure if there is a protective in the Mafia or not. There's been a lot of NKs and dayvigs so some protection is possible.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:26 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:18 pm I promised to talk some more about my c4 suspicion. It seems he has gained sufficient momentum since last night anyway, but I will still dump my thoughts into the thread.

Something that I feel is sometimes true about mafia members is that they struggle to actively pursue suspicions. It is one thing to name suspects and place votes, but it is another to flesh out reads and have them develop in real time. Making up fake arguments about a person about why they are lying when you know that they are not can be a difficult thing to do, especially when the person you are targeting is capable of being more vocal than you about it. The result is a bunch of stagnant suspicions that fail to take off, with more energy spent arguing (truthfully) about why certain players are town instead of mafia.

I think I see this trend playing out in c4's posts. Observe:
Spoiler: show
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:53 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm The fact that Creature can only bring himself to talk about one thing so far is wolfy.

The fact that he's clearly beenfollowing along live for a reasonable amount of time given how quickly he voted nut makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's a piece of mechanical information also makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's an obviously fake redcheck also makes it wolfier.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:39 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?
Derp denied
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:05 pm @Sloonei post

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:14 pm I feel like I shouldn't be the one towncasing myself
Then lemme do it

Creature's strings of posts of talking to himself came off as pure and more drawn out than w!Creature would bother with

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:03 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:00 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Sup
hey gamer what's poppin
You feel wolfy from a glance

Are you a wolf?
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:12 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:10 pm C4, shoot:

Scotty (scummy)

Bo (as KZA wanted)

or

Wilgy (as he requested)
Could totally shoot Scotty

Bo seems to be genuinely enjoying himself and is decently polarized but since both of you know him better do you have specific insights?

Wilgy lolno

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:26 pm Yeah Mac isn't towny lul

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:19 pm Ender townreaders talk to me about Ender pls

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:30 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Where's that spark I saw in RYM 96

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:44 pm i think paopan may be town rn based on his response and my spiritual vote is not on him, just haven't figured out where to go yet

@dyachei what's your read on me rn?
I have an idea of where you can go

Were you paying attention to Sloonei's posting in RYM perchance? It was miles townier than this even with low engagement.
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:59 pm I'm very tempted to just shoot Sloon
Etc.
C4's most substantive Day 1 posts are an exchange with Porscha that lists reasons to suspect her, but never develops in any meaningful way. The rest of c4's Day 1 feels like aimless prodding and asking for direction on who to shoot. I am lacking the full context leading up to his decision to shoot Bo, but based on c4's posts alone I do not find his process to be all that convincing.
The suspects c4 does prod for most of Day 1 are easy options. He starts with Creature, whose playstyle invites suspicion, especially early on. Then he shifts to Porscha, an unfamiliar face with light activity. Then he spends a few posts prodding me with no direction because of my absence/lack of spark. But c4 never actually put real pressure on me. He demanded that I post and then didn't have anything to say to me when I did.

Compare all of this to the amount of time and energy c4 puts into townreading people on Day 1. I am having trouble finding any evidence that he is making a sincere effort to uncover suspects. He steps in to declare town reads every once in a while, and then gropes around listlessly at potential suspects. I'm uninspired by all of this. If c4 is town, I need to see him demonstrate that he is actually trying to develop reads on players.

This is a decent post and I can see into your mindset/see how you're getting to the read. C4 defending townreads hard is part of why I've townread him specifically, though, because that is a trademark of his town game (much more than specific tunnels). I think on the alternative end of things, wolves can be a little more stagnant with pushes - C4 specifically jumping to different places and letting his reads adapt is something that is not as necessary for wolves to do. But, I'd like to see how he responds to this etc.

@c4e5g3d5

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:27 pm**

Why does LinearPoint seem to be a consensus town read?

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:28 pm**

lol did you just make a progression case on c4

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:28 pm**

is it too early or too late to tinfoil alexa as a power wolf? I feel like it's both at the same time. anyways, carry on.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:29 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:27 pm Why does LinearPoint seem to be a consensus town read?

Which parallel universe are you from?
Pretty sure that is no where near close to a consensus.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:30 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:28 pm is it too early or too late to tinfoil alexa as a power wolf? I feel like it's both at the same time. anyways, carry on.

dizzy and nutella's flips should at least show i have strong mech going for me atp

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:31 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:28 pm lol did you just make a progression case on c4

I wouldn't consider that case progression as much as "C4 is struggling to find a push he believes in."

But IMO he did believe in his pushes at the time he was making them, and he just changed his mind

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:32 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:56 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:55 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:44 pm uhh, recanting my seanzie read if it matters at this point

marmot, sabie, dizzy are all good suspects imo

and i could easily see BK as a wolf in this one
does anyone know how 112 is as wolf/does he bus? if not this post may be a fairly good look
That's what Neeko said. 112 pretty much can't be mafia.
No Mafia would ever bus 2 allies in one of their first posts.

112 does bus, and that's not a good reason to TR her

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:34 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:27 pm Why does LinearPoint seem to be a consensus town read?
Which parallel universe are you from?
Pretty sure that is no where near close to a consensus.

I live in the universe in which you are not receiving any votes as we look to consolidate onto our top 8 suspects.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:34 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:30 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:28 pm is it too early or too late to tinfoil alexa as a power wolf? I feel like it's both at the same time. anyways, carry on.
dizzy and nutella's flips should at least show i have strong mech going for me atp

oh they absolutely do. That's part of the "too late" feeling lol

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:35 pm**

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:28 pm lol did you just make a progression case on c4

You specifically asked why I suspect him. There it is. I do now know why "a progression case on c4" is a laughable thing, or that my suspicion constitutes that at all.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:37 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:34 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:27 pm Why does LinearPoint seem to be a consensus town read?
Which parallel universe are you from?
Pretty sure that is no where near close to a consensus.
I live in the universe in which you are not receiving any votes as we look to consolidate onto our top 8 suspects.

Neeko was at like 6, 5 hours ago.
Plus the only think you've said is

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:37 am Linearpoint maf

in your 3rd post of D1 and haven't elaborated at all on that just asking why Neeko isn't being top scum read.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:40 pm**

No offense Sloonei but you talk about c4 not making an effort to push their reads, but you've yet to actually push Neeko in any meaningful way to push your worldview that Neeko is Mafia.

Posted: **Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:40 pm**

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:34 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:27 pm Why does LinearPoint seem to be a consensus town read?
Which parallel universe are you from?
Pretty sure that is no where near close to a consensus.
I live in the universe in which you are not receiving any votes as we look to consolidate onto our top 8 suspects.
Neeko was at like 6, 5 hours ago.
Plus the only think you've said is
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:37 am Linearpoint maf
in your 3rd post of D1 and haven't elaborated at all on that just asking why Neeko isn't being top scum read.

That post was from when I was copy & pasting from urist's iso.

I do have a suspicion of you. I was going to post it. But I wanted to know if I was missing context on you first because no one seems to be promoting you as a suspect right now.

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