The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:00 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:57 pm it still freaks me out how in your list of player reads you wrote "GOOD" in front of Wilgy and Eloh and only Wily and Eloh--care to explain that now??

Man, that's a bad indicator. You should probably lynch me.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:00 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:50 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:49 pm Why is Sig not being lynched by 100% of the people?

I wanted to go inactive this day but now you people will make me have to catch up...
why are you trying to go inactive? do you want sloonei to come back from his grave and shake you?

I need to be a responsible human.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:01 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:50 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:49 pm Why is Sig not being lynched by 100% of the people?

I wanted to go inactive this day but now you people will make me have to catch up...
I'll catch you up.

I'm trying to get lynched so that I can roleflip.
Dunya has built a case on Niju. If it's anything like her case on me it's probably a ton of confirmation bias. (kidding)

So you're either town gambiting like crazy or mafia betting everything on Wifom (which is gambiting like crazy).

Now you make me want to lynch you.

Or you're the 3P who is a jester.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:02 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:00 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:57 pm it still freaks me out how in your list of player reads you wrote "GOOD" in front of Wilgy and Eloh and only Wily and Eloh--care to explain that now??
Man, that's a bad indicator. You should probably lynch me.

I mean you wrote stuff about literally everyone else. I don't mean you named them GOOD as in townies and that's what's weird. Why did you specifically choose not to write about them?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:02 pm**

I've never played with a jester. What does the jester role involve? are they self aligned or town-aligned?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:05 pm**

maybe the 3P has a sort of cop role so he can try and find out who's who and decide better how to win the game by aligning himse;f with the party more likely to win, or at least remaining neutral so he can live till the end.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:09 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:47 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:34 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:31 pm speed do you think sig and Nijuu are actually unlikely to be the final mafia for any reason?
I am 99.9% certain that the final mafia is among those two.
does it hurt your position in any way if we lynch the final scum?

Imagine that I am a man lying on the ground. One of my arms is missing. I am bleeding from several gunshot wounds. With a few days of selfless effort, you could save me and we could live this life together. Or you could shoot me in the head and everything would end.

You are, in a way, proposing the head shot. It would hurt, yes. But it would be better than just leaving me to die one day later.

I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone but me.

so you're saying if we lynch you today, rather than shooting you in the head and ending everything by lynching either nijuu or sig, we'd be saving you?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:10 pm**

speedchuck's reasons for how his death could benefit us are not trustworthy. They mostly contradict themselves, and would not actually create a compelling reason for us to kill him for our own benefit.

Lynching Speedchuck is a gamble, if he dies and achieves a personal wincon then that's fine, the best possible outcome for a mafia game is the one that creates the most winning banners.

The possibility of his wincon preventing us from achieving our wincon is the real risk.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:11 pm**

saving you and ensuring we live a happily ever after together?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:12 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:47 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:34 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:31 pm speed do you think sig and Nijuu are actually unlikely to be the final mafia for any reason?
I am 99.9% certain that the final mafia is among those two.
does it hurt your position in any way if we lynch the final scum?

Imagine that I am a man lying on the ground. One of my arms is missing. I am bleeding from several gunshot wounds. With a few days of selfless effort, you could save me and we could live this life together. Or you could shoot me in the head and everything would end.

You are, in a way, proposing the head shot. It would hurt, yes. But it would be better than just leaving me to die one day later.

I don't know if that makes any sense to anyone but me.

so you're saying if we lynch you today, rather than shooting you in the head and ending everything by lynching either nijuu or sig, we'd be saving you?

I'm saying I'd have a chance. But you'd have to follow through. Are you a good Samaritan?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:11 pm saving you and ensuring we live a happily ever after together?

I actually had this typed out, but I didn't want it to be all flirty. We'd both live, but I'm already happily cohabited with my wife.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:15 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:10 pm speedchuck's reasons for how his death could benefit us are not trustworthy. They mostly contradict themselves, and would not actually create a compelling reason for us to kill him for our own benefit.

Lynching Speedchuck is a gamble, if he dies and achieves a personal wincon then that's fine, the best possible outcome for a mafia game is the one that creates the most winning banners.

The possibility of his wincon preventing us from achieving our wincon is the real risk.

perhaps speed, as the 3P I'm assuming here, has a role where he plants bombs on people and can diffuse them when lynched? He's planted them on sig at least. He gets lynched, takes sig with him (possible last scum) and wins the game for us?

I'm trying to see why he was opposed to a sig lynch. It had to be either him or nijuu.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:16 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:15 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:10 pm speedchuck's reasons for how his death could benefit us are not trustworthy. They mostly contradict themselves, and would not actually create a compelling reason for us to kill him for our own benefit.

Lynching Speedchuck is a gamble, if he dies and achieves a personal wincon then that's fine, the best possible outcome for a mafia game is the one that creates the most winning banners.

The possibility of his wincon preventing us from achieving our wincon is the real risk.
perhaps speed, as the 3P I'm assuming here, has a role where he plants bombs on people and can diffuse them when lynched? He's planted them on sig at least. He gets lynched, takes sig with him (possible last scum) and wins the game for us?

I'm trying to see why he was opposed to a sig lynch. It had to be either him or nijuu.

D:

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:18 pm**

or if speed manages to bomb the last member(s) of either party, he wins with the leading party when they lynch him and the people he's placed targets on die? He hasn't placed a bomb on nijuu, only on sig (and maybe others) for now.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:19 pm**

I have neither confirmed nor denyed my role.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:19 pm**

if he had that type of role..... if everyone he's planted bombs on died at his lynching then we'd still win as long as one of the bombholders is the mafia right?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:20 pm**

honestly, I'd rather lynch sig and nijuu ourselves and not risk having others die in any speedchuck shenanigans.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:20 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:19 pm if he had that type of role..... if everyone he's planted bombs on died at his lynching then we'd still win as long as one of the bombholders is the mafia right?

yes.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:21 pm**

I mean, IF I had a bombing role, I would have targeted inactives before anything else.

But I don't.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:22 pm**

if we lynch you, will any townies die? Y/N?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:22 pm**

in any case i think this disproves the most popular theory that my dreams have future seeing powers; LC is probably not Space Mountain after all :/

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:25 pm**

I think his role is something like that and Marmot has weird exceptions (like night actions go through even if the person dies). So that's safe to assume if speed kills the last mafia SOMEHOW through his lynching, the game ends and we win, and the lynch doesn't go through or something.

But do we want speed to take all the glory this late into the game? not me.

I'd rather we do it ourselves the good old fashioned way. He seems so desperate for it NOW. Let's get back to him later if we need it.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:27 pm**

idk im actually thinking about it

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:27 pm**

remember, the numbers are still way in our favor. Being impulsive and irrational costs townies games.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:28 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:22 pm if we lynch you, will any townies die? Y/N?

Emphatic N

Unless Sig comes back

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:28 pm**

Any 3P should be aligning themselves to us this far in with only one scum left; the fact he's chosen not to, means he can't be 100% trusted imo.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:30 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:28 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:22 pm if we lynch you, will any townies die? Y/N?
Emphatic N

Unless Sig comes back

comes back from where. what. huh.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:32 pm**

Like, if Sig gets on the site again. Then he can submit the scum nightkill tonight, after I get lynched.

No townies would die immediately upon my lynch.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:33 pm**

Ah, but it's good ol speedy! How can you say no to that face?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:34 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:32 pm Like, if Sig gets on the site again. Then he can submit the scum nightkill tonight, after I get lynched.

No townies would die immediately upon my lynch.

why are you completely ruling out the possibility nijuu could be the last scum?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:40 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:34 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:32 pm Like, if Sig gets on the site again. Then he can submit the scum nightkill tonight, after I get lynched.

No townies would die immediately upon my lynch.
why are you completely ruling out the possibility nijuu could be the last scum?

I strongly believe in the lack of nightkill as an indicator. I guess Matterhorn could be a god-tier doctor. If it's niju, it's niju. That changes nothing about my argument. We're tangenting. My lynch is not a danger.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:40 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:33 pm Ah, but it's good ol speedy! How can you say no to that face?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:41 pm**

so my real question, if we lynch you DOES ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN YOU DIE?

also: if we lynch you, DO you die?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:41 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:41 pm so my real question, if we lynch you DOES ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN YOU DIE?

also: if we lynch you, DO you die?

No

Yes

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:42 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:33 pm Ah, but it's good ol speedy! How can you say no to that face?

remember Pirates? and remember how trustworthy his face looked when he was coughing up all those fake statistics and theories? Yeah, so do I . :P

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:42 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:33 pm Ah, but it's good ol speedy! How can you say no to that face?
remember Pirates? and remember how trustworthy his face looked when he was coughing up all those fake statistics and theories? Yeah, so do I . :P

My friends will never trust me again.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:43 pm**

Matterhorn's not a doctor.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:43 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:41 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:41 pm so my real question, if we lynch you DOES ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN YOU DIE?

also: if we lynch you, DO you die?
No

Yes

Have you lied when answering any of my questions?

can you tell me why you didn't write a blurb about either Eloh or Wilgy in your player list? was it intentional? Y/N

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:47 pm**

Matterhorn:

Matterhorn, Italy/Switzerland (4,478 m) - Matterhorn is known less for its height, and more for its almost perfect pyramidal shape, with 4 ridges rising up to an obvious peak. It is still one of the highest peaks in the European Alps. --- Secrets --- If you manage to finish four separate day periods with 0 votes, you will become immune to all active night actions for the rest of the game.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:49 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:43 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:41 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:41 pm so my real question, if we lynch you DOES ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN YOU DIE?

also: if we lynch you, DO you die?
No

Yes
Have you lied when answering any of my questions?

can you tell me why you didn't write a blurb about either Eloh or Wilgy in your player list? was it intentional? Y/N

N
N

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:51 pm**

What I remember about Pirates is nailing most of the scum team in the first two days and getting killed for it.

So, good times!

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:52 pm**

honestly, as townies, our alliance is to townies, not helping 3P win without knowing what's at stake for us. While I sympathize with your cause, I don't believe in it as much as I believe in mine.

also: a question. since there's no janitor role actually indicated in the OP. does that mean scum team also don't know the roles of the people they killed? or do they? I don't know how you do these secret kills on the syndicate.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:53 pm**

like, usually a janitor mafia will exist. This person doesn't exist and Marmot said the role list was literal and accurate. So who's wiping away the info?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:54 pm**

The info is wiped by default for the nightkills in this and other games I've played like it. Mafia gets no bonus info.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:56 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:52 pm honestly, as townies, our alliance is to townies, not helping 3P win without knowing what's at stake for us. While I sympathize with your cause, I don't believe in it as much as I believe in mine.

There is nothing at stake for you. The efficient choice would be to end the game. Thus the bullet to the head.

No harm will go to you if you help me out. It would just take some time and effort. Thus the good Samaritan reference.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:01 pm**

If we don't lynch you today, and lynch another townie instead (one of sig/nijuu), does your win condition become impossible to obtain?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:04 pm**

also, when it comes to Mafia, I learned the hard way to never trust the 3P. I got blown up by a dickhead once after trusting him.

It goes like this when I'm town: Townies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else who isn't a townie

While a 3P isn't my lynching priority, lynching priorities go like this: scum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harmless 3P who could have a hidden agenda

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:07 pm**

another angle to consider... acquiescing to speedchuck's request puts us at a higher risk of losing if we're really just 100% wrong about sign and Nijuu. If for example LC or Quin or whomever is the final mafia and we lynch Speedchuck today and he starts killing again tonight things start getting dice-y.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:13 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:07 pm another angle to consider... acquiescing to speedchuck's request puts us at a higher risk of losing if we're really just 100% wrong about sign and Nijuu. If for example LC or Quin or whomever is the final mafia and we lynch Speedchuck today and he starts killing again tonight things start getting dice-y.

You want to kill Sig. If kills happen tonight, you can rule out Sig. Ruling out the same number of people.
If kills don't happen, then you get more confirmation.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:14 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:01 pm If we don't lynch you today, and lynch another townie instead (one of sig/nijuu), does your win condition become impossible to obtain?

I don't know if I'm allowed to answer questions about this hypothetical 3P wincon that I might have.

But I personally would not be totally against such an occurence.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:16 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:13 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:07 pm another angle to consider... acquiescing to speedchuck's request puts us at a higher risk of losing if we're really just 100% wrong about sign and Nijuu. If for example LC or Quin or whomever is the final mafia and we lynch Speedchuck today and he starts killing again tonight things start getting dice-y.

You want to kill Sig. If kills happen tonight, you can rule out Sig. Ruling out the same number of people.
If kills don't happen, then you get more confirmation.

If I was an active scum, I'd simply not send in a kill. It's not unheard off.

I seriously think nijuu is the last scum though and she either forgot to send in a kill, intentionally didn't send one in to make the other inactives look bad, or targeted someone who was protected last night.

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