The Syndicate

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:23 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote Seanzie but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

at what point eod did I want someone on Seanzie? I may have been talking about a world where Seanzie is wolf but my vote EOD was on SPF, I wanted Porscha to move to SPF because I had a feeling you were going to Seanzie and no SPF and it happened. I am the only one alive from the SPF wagon yesterday, dont try to frame me wanting Seanzie more than her

I typo'd that post.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:54 pm spf not saying anything else is kinda outing lol

also, this is disingenuous. i was away from the game for less than 3 hours lmao

i see, apologies

This is why I wish there was a vote count, because I am actually getting semi-gaslight

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:27 pm This is why I wish there was a vote count, because I am actually getting semi-gaslight

what lol how so

WHEN I VOTED, it was 4 SPF v 2 Seanzie!!!!

If I AM MAFIA WITH SPF, WHY DO I VOTE SEANZIE THERE WHEN SHE WOULD DIE ANYWAYS AT THAT POINT????

It was 3 v 3 earlier sure, but when I was making my FINAL DECISION to cast my vote, the wagons were 4 SPF v 2 Seanzie, so it makes no sense for me to vote Seanzie if I am SPF's partner, especially when the votes are about to lock and she is likely to die.

You all know this lmfao and you can't rebut that point.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:22 pm it's day 6, and i have spent 5 full dayphases in a row pushing on villagers. i have not pushed on a single wolf for this entire game. this is very bad, and it's probably the worst towngame i have ever played in my history of forum mafia

i am embarrassed about the fact that i am not mafia and there's a part of me that honestly just wants to give up and die today instead of enduring another humiliation of trying to take the game back and potentially being wrong for the sixth time in a row

that said, i also believe that i am the person in the game right now who has the most unique vantage point to solve the game. i have the TMI that i'm town, and i also have the TMI that i've been brought to the game today to be the game winning elimination. this makes the question of: "what were the mafia doing on X day?" a lot easier to answer

I guess we lose the game because you are not a bad player from Macs perspective and you have pushed town too much. You're too dangerous to be kept alive, Boq died trying to bury you, you tried to push Seanzie as a self prez to get to lylo and try to argue out of being the lynch like this. Its too wolfy to be wolfy? Too wolfy to live and do better next game imho

I literally voted Seanzie despite it being 4 v 3 for the reasons I stated and kept my vote there despite the fact I could see SPF likely dying. It makes no sense for me to be her partner in that situation and y'all can't fabricate that. That's why I wish I had a vote count to officially prove it lmfao.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:22 pm on that note, i think that i know who the wolfteam is and who i need to get eliminated today to turn the game around but i'm digging through some stuff before i fully show my hand

Why not tell us ahead of time so we can look into it to? Instead of shadow and mirrors while you look for any sort of angle to push from your wolfy perspective and surprise us last second?

Also, throughout EoD, SPF was literally appealing to me and throughout the entire day, SPF was appealing to me through AtE of how upset she was at the fact that I voted her and demonstrated "dissapointedness." Partners do not appeal to each other and you should know better than that Lily which was why I was surprised when you paired me and SPF together tbh. She appealed to me to vote with her on Seanzie towards EoD.

It's obvious I am not with SPF lmfao. In addition to our interactions and the way she treated my slot, the voting yesterday at EoD makes it even more obvious.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote SPF but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

EBWOP

@RondoDimBuckle

Convincing porcha is the obvious play there, it removes your power and it gets me what I want at the same time. I didnt think Lily would move

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:33 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote SPF but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

EBWOP

@RondoDimBuckle

Convincing porcha is the obvious play there, it removes your power and it gets me what I want at the same time. I didnt think Lily would move

Hmmm, and when I voted, the wagons were 4 SPF and 2 Seanzie. So please explain how I am partners with SPF then based on when I voted Seanzie based off that.

@Lilypetal I'd like to hear you discuss that as well, cause I know you can't, because you know it's not true.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:29 pm WHEN I VOTED, it was 4 SPF v 2 Seanzie!!!!

If I AM MAFIA WITH SPF, WHY DO I VOTE SEANZIE THERE WHEN SHE WOULD DIE ANYWAYS AT THAT POINT????

It was 3 v 3 earlier sure, but when I was making my FINAL DECISION to cast my vote, the wagons were 4 SPF v 2 Seanzie, so it makes no sense for me to vote Seanzie if I am SPF's partner, especially when the votes are about to lock and she is likely to die.

You all know this lmfao and you can't rebut that point.

lol

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:33 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote SPF but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

EBWOP

@RondoDimBuckle

Convincing porcha is the obvious play there, it removes your power and it gets me what I want at the same time. I didnt think Lily would move

But also, weren't you on me about the previous EoD "For not convincing one to vote their sr"? Lmfao

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:29 pm WHEN I VOTED, it was 4 SPF v 2 Seanzie!!!!

If I AM MAFIA WITH SPF, WHY DO I VOTE SEANZIE THERE WHEN SHE WOULD DIE ANYWAYS AT THAT POINT????

It was 3 v 3 earlier sure, but when I was making my FINAL DECISION to cast my vote, the wagons were 4 SPF v 2 Seanzie, so it makes no sense for me to vote Seanzie if I am SPF's partner, especially when the votes are about to lock and she is likely to die.

You all know this lmfao and you can't rebut that point.

from my pov I refreshed, saw porscha on my wagon, refreshed again later and saw you and porscha together so I dont know how it went down.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:36 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:29 pm WHEN I VOTED, it was 4 SPF v 2 Seanzie!!!!

If I AM MAFIA WITH SPF, WHY DO I VOTE SEANZIE THERE WHEN SHE WOULD DIE ANYWAYS AT THAT POINT????

It was 3 v 3 earlier sure, but when I was making my FINAL DECISION to cast my vote, the wagons were 4 SPF v 2 Seanzie, so it makes no sense for me to vote Seanzie if I am SPF's partner, especially when the votes are about to lock and she is likely to die.

You all know this lmfao and you can't rebut that point.

from my pov I refreshed, saw porscha on my wagon, refreshed again later and saw you and porscha together so I dont know how it went down.

That's why I wish there was a vote count, because this is actually such a crucial part of the game.

But I put my vote count stamp of when I did vote so.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:34 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:33 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote SPF but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

EBWOP

@RondoDimBuckle

Convincing porcha is the obvious play there, it removes your power and it gets me what I want at the same time. I didnt think Lily would move

Hmmm, and when I voted, the wagons were 4 SPF and 2 Seanzie. So please explain how I am partners with SPF then based on when I voted Seanzie based off that.

too late to get on her and be the only other person on her wagon for me to push you today as the only other person on her wagon to try to gain wolf killing cred and be the deep wolf. But maybe you dont kill Nook in that world so I dunno, I can only deal with what is not what could be. You talked with Boq about following his read after he flips town and you didnt

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:35 pm @Lilypetal I'd like to hear you discuss that as well, cause I know you can't, because you know it's not true.

who do you think the wolves are

okay i know who the mafia team is now. i' m writing a wallpost outlining my view of the game as we speak. bear w/me

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:35 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:33 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote SPF but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

EBWOP

@RondoDimBuckle

Convincing porcha is the obvious play there, it removes your power and it gets me what I want at the same time. I didnt think Lily would move

But also, weren't you on me about the previous EoD "For not convincing one to vote their sr"? Lmfao

I wasnt trying to convince Porcha to not vote their scum read, I was asking her if there was no world SPF could be scum and if there could be to join me.

inb4 me and porscha

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:38 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:34 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:33 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote SPF but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

EBWOP

@RondoDimBuckle

Convincing porcha is the obvious play there, it removes your power and it gets me what I want at the same time. I didnt think Lily would move

Hmmm, and when I voted, the wagons were 4 SPF and 2 Seanzie. So please explain how I am partners with SPF then based on when I voted Seanzie based off that.

too late to get on her and be the only other person on her wagon for me to push you today as the only other person on her wagon to try to gain wolf killing cred and be the deep wolf. But maybe you dont kill Nook in that world so I dunno, I can only deal with what is not what could be. You talked with Boq about following his read after he flips town and you didnt

? But my point is I wouldn't vote Seanzie there if she is my partner cause that is even worse. Like that's literally my point lmfao.

Also, I wanted to push on SPF in the beginning but then Porscha was discussing to me about it and telling me how she was tr SPF and I also discussed that SPF's approach coming into yesterday discussing LyLo was townie. And throughout the day I mentioned my thoughts on Seanzie v SPF and was trying to get opinions and I had people telling me to vote Seanzie, and I went with high "equity" shot based on the list of likliehood of teams I listed and I was wrong. There was a clear progression in my thought of how I went about it lol.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:42 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:38 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:34 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:33 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote SPF but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

EBWOP

@RondoDimBuckle

Convincing porcha is the obvious play there, it removes your power and it gets me what I want at the same time. I didnt think Lily would move

Hmmm, and when I voted, the wagons were 4 SPF and 2 Seanzie. So please explain how I am partners with SPF then based on when I voted Seanzie based off that.

too late to get on her and be the only other person on her wagon for me to push you today as the only other person on her wagon to try to gain wolf killing cred and be the deep wolf. But maybe you dont kill Nook in that world so I dunno, I can only deal with what is not what could be. You talked with Boq about following his read after he flips town and you didnt

? But my point is I wouldn't vote Seanzie there if she is my partner cause that is even worse. Like that's literally my point lmfao.

Also, I wanted to push on SPF in the beginning but then Porscha was discussing to me about it and telling me how she was tr SPF and I also discussed that SPF's approach coming into yesterday discussing LyLo was townie. And throughout the day I mentioned my thoughts on Seanzie v SPF and was trying to get opinions and I had people telling me to vote Seanzie, and I went with high "equity" shot based on the list of likliehood of teams I listed and I was wrong. There was a clear progression in my thought of how I went about it lol.

So what Porscha, lily? If you are too wolfy to be a wolf then SPF certainly is too

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:38 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:35 pm @Lilypetal I'd like to hear you discuss that as well, cause I know you can't, because you know it's not true.

who do you think the wolves are

lol

I already said earlier SPF + Rondo/you, but I am leaning more likely SPF/Rondo.

There is the tinfoil of you/Rondo as well based on how you both starting coming after me and tying me with SPF, mainly you.

There is also the tinfoil of SPF/Porscha based on what happened yesterday, but I just believe Porscha is likely town esp with their interactions with Alison.

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:43 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:38 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:35 pm @Lilypetal I'd like to hear you discuss that as well, cause I know you can't, because you know it's not true.

who do you think the wolves are

lol

I already said earlier SPF + Rondo/you, but I am leaning more likely SPF/Rondo.

There is the tinfoil of you/Rondo as well based on how you both starting coming after me and tying me with SPF, mainly you.

There is also the tinfoil of SPF/Porscha based on what happened yesterday, but I just believe Porscha is likely town esp with their interactions with Alison.

Every world where you chose me is a losing one

okay so we agree spf goes at least

which forces me to vote you to save myself to win the game, if you are town you need to find me

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:39 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:35 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:33 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote SPF but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

EBWOP

@RondoDimBuckle

Convincing porcha is the obvious play there, it removes your power and it gets me what I want at the same time. I didnt think Lily would move

But also, weren't you on me about the previous EoD "For not convincing one to vote their sr"? Lmfao

I wasnt trying to convince Porcha to not vote their scum read, I was asking her if there was no world SPF could be scum and if there could be to join me.

No, that's not my point tho. You had a sr on SPF and you tried to convince Porscha but not me. You explained with the power thing, but you could clearly see I was tryiing to evaluate all possible options/info before I casted my vote.

And now imagine, people come into today saying, "Man, I wish I voted SPF because Seanzie seemed townie" When I was literally asking everyone's opinions is like a WTF?

Basically, Lily and Porscha seem to know I am town which could be TMI, but if you are going to vote me anyway the game is over so I may as well vote you on the chance you are a wolf

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:45 pm which forces me to vote you to save myself to win the game, if you are town you need to find me

I mean it doesn't save the game if you are town, because I am town, and I don't know what to take of everyone just pairing me with SPF when it's obvious through our interactions and the vote yesterday that it isn't true.

We both agree on SPF, so if you are town, who do you believe is likelier then? Lily or Porscha? I assume you'd be leaning more on Porscha?

i just believe rondo is playing super towny

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:45 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:39 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:35 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:33 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote SPF but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

EBWOP

@RondoDimBuckle

Convincing porcha is the obvious play there, it removes your power and it gets me what I want at the same time. I didnt think Lily would move

But also, weren't you on me about the previous EoD "For not convincing one to vote their sr"? Lmfao

I wasnt trying to convince Porcha to not vote their scum read, I was asking her if there was no world SPF could be scum and if there could be to join me.

No, that's not my point tho. You had a sr on SPF and you tried to convince Porscha but not me. You explained with the power thing, but you could clearly see I was tryiing to evaluate all possible options/info before I casted my vote.

And now imagine, people come into today saying, "Man, I wish I voted SPF because Seanzie seemed townie" When I was literally asking everyone's opinions is like a WTF?

I didnt need to convince you, I needed to convince Porscha, I didnt, SPF lived, you voted Seanzie like I predicted. You have not listened to me once this game why would I believe you would listen to me yesterday?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:46 pm Basically, Lily and Porscha seem to know I am town which could be TMI, but if you are going to vote me anyway the game is over so I may as well vote you on the chance you are a wolf

I want to vote SPF. I've made that clear. And then if I am alive in f3, I re-eval there and based on NK

Porchas excuse about swapping the vote is flimsy but she has at least built a rappor with me this game you have just talked about/over/through me but at no point have I felt that Aro wanted to find me town

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:40 pm inb4 me and porscha

together at last

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:47 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:45 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:39 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:35 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:33 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:25 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:20 pm So this is odd now, because I had Rondo who wanted me to vote SPF but didn't want to convince me but tried to convince Porscha.

But then Porscha wishes they voted SPF after they "believed Sean was town" which is just another ??

Then, Lily is lying and wanted me to vote Seanzie and "urged me to do it"

There is some wack shit going on tbh. The fact that Lily tinfoiled me and Porscha but hasn't tinfoiled SPF/Porscha is odd, considering the fact she was odded out by Porscha's movement of votes through EoD.

EBWOP

@RondoDimBuckle

Convincing porcha is the obvious play there, it removes your power and it gets me what I want at the same time. I didnt think Lily would move

But also, weren't you on me about the previous EoD "For not convincing one to vote their sr"? Lmfao

I wasnt trying to convince Porcha to not vote their scum read, I was asking her if there was no world SPF could be scum and if there could be to join me.

No, that's not my point tho. You had a sr on SPF and you tried to convince Porscha but not me. You explained with the power thing, but you could clearly see I was tryiing to evaluate all possible options/info before I casted my vote.

And now imagine, people come into today saying, "Man, I wish I voted SPF because Seanzie seemed townie" When I was literally asking everyone's opinions is like a WTF?

I didnt need to convince you, I needed to convince Porscha, I didnt, SPF lived, you voted Seanzie like I predicted. You have not listened to me once this game why would I believe you would listen to me yesterday?

We've had basically almost the same perspective since when you came in, but you have constantly shaded me for it, and every time I made a read, you'd agree but then point the finger at me, and it's so weird to me, cause if we both have the read, why are u pointing the finger at me, if I am wrong on it.

There hasn't really been a time where you discussed with me about your own opinion, and I was asking it from you yesterday but you didn't you mentioned you didn't want to convince me. Like what am I supposed to think if you are town Rondo?

so, let's go back to the basics and think very broadly about what each player has been Doing Throughout The Game

arogame has mostly followed the consensus, and has played a large role in both creating and maintaining the status quo. he:

1. pushed that creature and alison needed to die back to back

2. pushed that me and boq needed to die back to back

3. has generally held consensus, non-controversial reads throughout the game (ie: alison mafia, porscha town, etc etc). generally speaking, he has not really rocked the boat, and has gone with the flow in this game while playing in a more detached, passive role

4. the only time that aro has broken his passive role throughout this game was yesterday. in spite of spending the entirety of the last two dayphases saying that me/boq need to die back to back, and in spite of opening yesterday by saying that i needed to die, he sided with me at the EOD and voted for seanzie anyway. why did aro do this? what was the motivation?

well, i wanna point out a few things:

-aro didn't vote for seanzie until after porscha had voted me and i was the leading wagon

-aro took until the very last minute to decide his vote, which made it clear he was biding his time and watching the way that the wagons developed before he decided

logically speaking, i think that aro voted for seanzie at the EOD1 for two primary reasons: to look good in the event that i flipped town, and to give himself an excuse to push on seanzie today if i flipped and went over seanzie. it seems to me that aro was concerned primarily with positioning toward the end of yesterday, which is probably wolf indicative for him

lilypetal has mostly followed the consensus of the rest of the game, with a few notable twist and turns inbetween. she was in favor of voting for alison, in favor of killing boq and then killing me, etc etc. lily has played a game that has gone along with the consensus for the most part

the thing is, in a world where lily is mafia and she sees me casing seanzie/rondo together yesterday, she would have zero incentive as a wolf to back my push on seanzie, and zero incentive as a wolf to shake up the gamestate and try to get seanzie killed over me. the argument can be made that she was saving me for LYLO, but a world where lily is mafia is also a world where any number of rondo/porscha/seanzie/aro could be perfectly viable mischops from her perspective. if lily is mafia, she did not NEED to save me for LLYLO today because she would be so deep that she already has a bunch of other viable miseliminations from her perspective. her choice to swap to seanzie yesterday and push seanzie with me shows me that:

A. she was making a genuine effort to figure out my alignment yesterday

B. she was not playing the day with a specific agenda or narrative that she needed to make sure was followed through with

based on all of this, i think that lilypetal is probably ultimately town. this is an unfortunate conclusion for me to reach, because a world where lilypetal is town is also probably a world where we lose the game, but it's the conclusion i'm arriving at nonetheless. if she's a wolf then she has fooled me very well, and kudos to her

my evaluation of porscha is similar to my evaluation of lilypetal, which is that she has spent a great deal of time pushing for the consensus, but has also been the pivotal deciding factor in several important momentum shifts throughout the game

for one, she was one of the first players in the game to call me town and attempt to change the gamestate on a dayphase where i was widely POE'd and being pushed for the entirety of the game

for second, she switched between me and seanzie at the EOD yesterday that shows me that she was not married to a specific agenda or scum strategy. if she was mafia then it would be trivially easy for her to simply park her vote on seanzie and then get me killed today, so her swapping to me to see my "reaction" as totally unnecessary to do as a wolf and a sign that she is putting genuine thought into getting reads

for third, she has been playing in her own corner of the game and looks clearly unaligned from about every single player here

now finally, there's still the big question to answer of: what has rondo done? in what ways has rondo interacted with or impacted with the gamestate?

well, looking through his ISO as i write this post, the answer is essentially: "he has done nothing at all". he pushed on creature, self-voted, and pushed on alison throughout the first few pages. on d3, he pushed a POE of neon/creature/lily, and then pushed on porscha. throughout the last several dayphases, he sat back and gladly encouraged the crosses between me and boq and me and seanzie, leaving room open for all of us to be mafia while making no attempts to hunt or push for any deeper wolves

it's actually difficult to find a single unique or contrarian read in the entirety of rondo's 10 page ISO, which meshes awkwardly with rondo's clear playstyle as someone who plays against the grain. in spite of positioning himself as an anti-consensus player, he has done nothing this game beyond push for the consensus and sit back while watching the town falling apart. he has not pushed on a single wolf for this entire game, and he has made no attempts to shake up the gamestate

so, doing some basic deduction here, i have good reasons to believe that lily has tried to shake up the gamestate at pivotal times that would be unnecessary for her to do as a wolf. i have good reasons to believe that porscha has done the same. i am unable to find any reasons to believe that aro or rondo have done anything in this game EXCEPT push for the consensus

this is compounded by the fact that aro and rondo have both spent the entire game circling around each other without ever truly engaging or pushing. aro is doing the classic scum move of pairing me/rondo with each other but pushing on me harder. rondo is calling aro wolfy but pushing on me harder as well. they are playing in a blatantly teamed way while positioning themselves to get me miseliminated today and lose the game

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:50 pm Porchas excuse about swapping the vote is flimsy but she has at least built a rappor with me this game you have just talked about/over/through me but at no point have I felt that Aro wanted to find me town

That's not true. I was town leaning you when giving my big wall when discussing legacies and how people were also tr you, which made me realize that maybe you are town. But when I brought it up with others and how they felt, they were telling me "I'm not sure of Rondo being V."

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:45 pm okay so we agree spf goes at least

I've made that clear.

so in short, i think that rondo and aro are the mafia team. it's the only world that makes sense to me right now. i also think that we probably lose the game anyway, but at least i probably solved it at the very last minute

Jesus, everyone loves throwing me in a team like a tossed salad lmfao.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:22 pm it's day 6, and i have spent 5 full dayphases in a row pushing on villagers. i have not pushed on a single wolf for this entire game. this is very bad, and it's probably the worst towngame i have ever played in my history of forum mafia

i am embarrassed about the fact that i am not mafia and there's a part of me that honestly just wants to give up and die today instead of enduring another humiliation of trying to take the game back and potentially being wrong for the sixth time in a row

that said, i also believe that i am the person in the game right now who has the most unique vantage point to solve the game. i have the TMI that i'm town, and i also have the TMI that i've been brought to the game today to be the game winning elimination. this makes the question of: "what were the mafia doing on X day?" a lot easier to answer

I guess we lose the game because you are not a bad player from Macs perspective and you have pushed town too much. You're too dangerous to be kept alive, Boq died trying to bury you, you tried to push Seanzie as a self prez to get to lylo and try to argue out of being the lynch like this. Its too wolfy to be wolfy? Too wolfy to live and do better next game imho

you are also not a bad player from mac's perspective but you have failed to push on a single mafia for this entire game. if you're going to hold yourself to the same standard, you should self-vote, right?

@staypositivefriend you never answered my question. Why did you think I was town anyways if I had voted you at EoD?

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:54 pm Jesus, everyone loves throwing me in a team like a tossed salad lmfao.

the funny thing is that you actually probably would have continued to pocket me if you just kept playing like you've been playing for the entire game, but you're letting your mask slip too much today and making it clear that your sole and only intention is to get me killed, which is not the mindset that town!aro would have if he was in a LYLO right now

unfortunately i am the one player in the game that you do not need to pocket or convince

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:22 pm it's day 6, and i have spent 5 full dayphases in a row pushing on villagers. i have not pushed on a single wolf for this entire game. this is very bad, and it's probably the worst towngame i have ever played in my history of forum mafia

i am embarrassed about the fact that i am not mafia and there's a part of me that honestly just wants to give up and die today instead of enduring another humiliation of trying to take the game back and potentially being wrong for the sixth time in a row

that said, i also believe that i am the person in the game right now who has the most unique vantage point to solve the game. i have the TMI that i'm town, and i also have the TMI that i've been brought to the game today to be the game winning elimination. this makes the question of: "what were the mafia doing on X day?" a lot easier to answer

I guess we lose the game because you are not a bad player from Macs perspective and you have pushed town too much. You're too dangerous to be kept alive, Boq died trying to bury you, you tried to push Seanzie as a self prez to get to lylo and try to argue out of being the lynch like this. Its too wolfy to be wolfy? Too wolfy to live and do better next game imho

you are also not a bad player from mac's perspective but you have failed to push on a single mafia for this entire game. if you're going to hold yourself to the same standard, you should self-vote, right?

weird post spf

arogame123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:55 pm @staypositivefriend you never answered my question. Why did you think I was town anyways if I had voted you at EoD?

you seemed stressed out and anxious in a way that rung towny to me in the moment and made me think my team of seanzie/rondo was just probably correct, but in hindsight i think it was a bad reason to townread you

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:56 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:22 pm it's day 6, and i have spent 5 full dayphases in a row pushing on villagers. i have not pushed on a single wolf for this entire game. this is very bad, and it's probably the worst towngame i have ever played in my history of forum mafia

i am embarrassed about the fact that i am not mafia and there's a part of me that honestly just wants to give up and die today instead of enduring another humiliation of trying to take the game back and potentially being wrong for the sixth time in a row

that said, i also believe that i am the person in the game right now who has the most unique vantage point to solve the game. i have the TMI that i'm town, and i also have the TMI that i've been brought to the game today to be the game winning elimination. this makes the question of: "what were the mafia doing on X day?" a lot easier to answer

I guess we lose the game because you are not a bad player from Macs perspective and you have pushed town too much. You're too dangerous to be kept alive, Boq died trying to bury you, you tried to push Seanzie as a self prez to get to lylo and try to argue out of being the lynch like this. Its too wolfy to be wolfy? Too wolfy to live and do better next game imho

you are also not a bad player from mac's perspective but you have failed to push on a single mafia for this entire game. if you're going to hold yourself to the same standard, you should self-vote, right?

weird post spf

you haven't seen anything yet

I think alison / rondo unaligned

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:57 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:56 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:54 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:30 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:22 pm it's day 6, and i have spent 5 full dayphases in a row pushing on villagers. i have not pushed on a single wolf for this entire game. this is very bad, and it's probably the worst towngame i have ever played in my history of forum mafia

i am embarrassed about the fact that i am not mafia and there's a part of me that honestly just wants to give up and die today instead of enduring another humiliation of trying to take the game back and potentially being wrong for the sixth time in a row

that said, i also believe that i am the person in the game right now who has the most unique vantage point to solve the game. i have the TMI that i'm town, and i also have the TMI that i've been brought to the game today to be the game winning elimination. this makes the question of: "what were the mafia doing on X day?" a lot easier to answer

I guess we lose the game because you are not a bad player from Macs perspective and you have pushed town too much. You're too dangerous to be kept alive, Boq died trying to bury you, you tried to push Seanzie as a self prez to get to lylo and try to argue out of being the lynch like this. Its too wolfy to be wolfy? Too wolfy to live and do better next game imho

you are also not a bad player from mac's perspective but you have failed to push on a single mafia for this entire game. if you're going to hold yourself to the same standard, you should self-vote, right?

weird post spf

you haven't seen anything yet

kinda hope it stays that way

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:01 am I think alison / rondo unaligned

why?