The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:I know I still owe you all PMs for your locations. I must admit you all took a backseat to work, supper, fantasy basketball, and the Gotham premiere. We're going to have to learn to live with my priorities.

But how can I possibly make it up to you?

Tell me, did anybody ever figure out what those locations meant?

Dom wrote:Sabie, who should we lynch and why?


Glorfindel, who should we lynch and why?

Epignosis wrote: As a powerful informant, The Penguin learns the role of the person he votes for, and may blackmail his victim. The victim has a choice to either do whatever The Penguin says or have his or her role sent to a rival person. The Penguin wins by surviving.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I know I still owe you all PMs for your locations. I must admit you all took a backseat to work, supper, fantasy basketball, and the Gotham premiere. We're going to have to learn to live with my priorities.

But how can I possibly make it up to you?

Tell me, did anybody ever figure out what those locations meant?

I would if I had my fucking location PM.

Glorfindel wrote:

Dom wrote:Sabie, who should we lynch and why?


Glorfindel, who should we lynch and why?

I'm not sure Dom, the jury's still out as far as I'm concerned. There is something I'd like clarified that might help me come to a conclusion though.

This is the Penguin's ability:

Epignosis wrote: As a powerful informant, The Penguin learns the role of the person he votes for, and may blackmail his victim. The victim has a choice to either do whatever The Penguin says or have his or her role sent to a rival person. The Penguin wins by surviving.

Can anyone offer me an opinion on what the phrase "have his or her role sent to a rival person" means? Like if the target was a member of one of the crime families, the answer is I should think obvious but what if the target was other than Mafia, how do you see this playing out?

Epignosis wrote:I know I still owe you all PMs for your locations. I must admit you all took a backseat to work, supper, fantasy basketball, and the Gotham premiere. We're going to have to learn to live with my priorities.

But how can I possibly make it up to you?

Tell me, did anybody ever figure out what those locations meant?

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I know I still owe you all PMs for your locations. I must admit you all took a backseat to work, supper, fantasy basketball, and the Gotham premiere. We're going to have to learn to live with my priorities.

But how can I possibly make it up to you?

Tell me, did anybody ever figure out what those locations meant?

I would if I had my fucking location PM.

I mean the locations in general.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Dom wrote:Sabie, who should we lynch and why?


Glorfindel, who should we lynch and why?

I'm not sure Dom, the jury's still out as far as I'm concerned. There is something I'd like clarified that might help me come to a conclusion though.

This is the Penguin's ability:

Epignosis wrote: As a powerful informant, The Penguin learns the role of the person he votes for, and may blackmail his victim. The victim has a choice to either do whatever The Penguin says or have his or her role sent to a rival person. The Penguin wins by surviving.

Can anyone offer me an opinion on what the phrase "have his or her role sent to a rival person" means? Like if the target was a member of one of the crime families, the answer is I should think obvious but what if the target was other than Mafia, how do you see this playing out?

I take it to mean any one player with a conflicting win condition.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:Dom, I can't say I have a clear understanding of your views right now. What are your overall thoughts about today?

Mac, who are you looking to lynch today?

Scotty wrote:

Dom wrote:

Scotty wrote:Sorry to butt in to this domestic despute, but TheFloyd logged in today. Still hasn't posted in over a week.

We may never get a response from sprityo. How long do we wait?

What do you mean, Scotty?
Why wouldn't we get a response?

We've waited this long. Who knows who is comin back in this game.

Also why are you suspicious of me still???

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Well at least now I'll know if Golden is the Penguin lol

No you won't. I mean, I'm not. But as you already have two votes...

....woah woah woah.
Why is that a sign he's sure to die?

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Well at least now I'll know if Golden is the Penguin lol

No you won't. I mean, I'm not. But as you already have two votes...

....woah woah woah.
Why is that a sign he's sure to die?

You just read in to a question about as much as DH does.

The moment you take two votes, and are targetted by the Penguin, you don't know who the Penguin is. It would have to be just one.

DharmaHelper wrote:Oh I didn't realize TH had voted for me already. My point is (re: that yellow monstrosity) That you said exactly the thing you said you didn't say.

Epignosis wrote:Bear in mind that the detectives don't have time for amateurs. This is not a guessing game. They are willing to hear you out one time and one time only. If you are wrong, you lose all credibility, and they will not hear you again.

sig wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Bear in mind that the detectives don't have time for amateurs. This is not a guessing game. They are willing to hear you out one time and one time only. If you are wrong, you lose all credibility, and they will not hear you again.

Can ghosts play to? :P

Enrique wrote:How do we solve the mystery? By getting all of the answers or is just one villain okay?

Enrique wrote:I feel really dumb for going to the same place twice.

Enrique wrote:But am I telling the truth?

DharmaHelper wrote:What're you thinkin' Enrique?

Glorfindel wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Dom wrote:Sabie, who should we lynch and why?


Glorfindel, who should we lynch and why?

I'm not sure Dom, the jury's still out as far as I'm concerned. There is something I'd like clarified that might help me come to a conclusion though.

This is the Penguin's ability:

Epignosis wrote: As a powerful informant, The Penguin learns the role of the person he votes for, and may blackmail his victim. The victim has a choice to either do whatever The Penguin says or have his or her role sent to a rival person. The Penguin wins by surviving.

Can anyone offer me an opinion on what the phrase "have his or her role sent to a rival person" means? Like if the target was a member of one of the crime families, the answer is I should think obvious but what if the target was other than Mafia, how do you see this playing out?

I take it to mean any one player with a conflicting win condition.

That is (I assume) where one is obvious and the player with the conflicting win condition is still alive. What I'm getting at though is just how significant an ability do we consider this to be? Would it be of greater gravity to some roles over others?

DFaraday wrote:So far I'm reading the DH/Golden thing as opinionated and snarky civ clashing. DH's approach to Juliets read as a genuine thought process to me.

Sprityo is a good bet to me, but I'll also take a look at Sabie in the morning. A bunch of people have brought her up, but I haven't really looked at their reasons in detail yet.

Scotty wrote: Dom, I understand you've outlined somewhere why you're suspicious of MP and to a lesser extent [now?] me, but what does MP have to lose in coming out about the strategy? I think he laid it out quite wholly. I understand never fully trusting in this game, but come on man. I'm just more surprised that I didn't die last night.

Glorfindel wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Dom wrote:Sabie, who should we lynch and why?


Glorfindel, who should we lynch and why?

I'm not sure Dom, the jury's still out as far as I'm concerned. There is something I'd like clarified that might help me come to a conclusion though.

This is the Penguin's ability:

Epignosis wrote: As a powerful informant, The Penguin learns the role of the person he votes for, and may blackmail his victim. The victim has a choice to either do whatever The Penguin says or have his or her role sent to a rival person. The Penguin wins by surviving.

Can anyone offer me an opinion on what the phrase "have his or her role sent to a rival person" means? Like if the target was a member of one of the crime families, the answer is I should think obvious but what if the target was other than Mafia, how do you see this playing out?

I take it to mean any one player with a conflicting win condition.

That is (I assume) where one is obvious and the player with the conflicting win condition is still alive. What I'm getting at though is just how significant an ability do we consider this to be? Would it be of greater gravity to some roles over others?

Reposting as I only got one answer to this. @Golden, @Dom, @MP and @Enrique - may I have your thoughts please? I ask respectfully as in addition to DH, you all seem to be more knowledgeable on these sorts of things and I genuinely value your input.

Glorfindel wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Dom wrote:Sabie, who should we lynch and why?


Glorfindel, who should we lynch and why?

I'm not sure Dom, the jury's still out as far as I'm concerned. There is something I'd like clarified that might help me come to a conclusion though.

This is the Penguin's ability:

Epignosis wrote: As a powerful informant, The Penguin learns the role of the person he votes for, and may blackmail his victim. The victim has a choice to either do whatever The Penguin says or have his or her role sent to a rival person. The Penguin wins by surviving.

Can anyone offer me an opinion on what the phrase "have his or her role sent to a rival person" means? Like if the target was a member of one of the crime families, the answer is I should think obvious but what if the target was other than Mafia, how do you see this playing out?

I take it to mean any one player with a conflicting win condition.

That is (I assume) where one is obvious and the player with the conflicting win condition is still alive. What I'm getting at though is just how significant an ability do we consider this to be? Would it be of greater gravity to some roles over others?

Reposting as I only got one answer to this. @Golden, @Dom, @MP and @Enrique - may I have your thoughts please? I ask respectfully as in addition to DH, you all seem to be more knowledgeable on these sorts of things and I genuinely value your input.

DFaraday wrote:Voted the hospital because I haven't been there yet.

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: sprityo -- The d2 lynch doesn't really give us any information about sprityo (he voted last for Nero, and many of his posts have not been particularly thick in content. In addition, his d3 vote for Floyd could be seen as an easily justifiable vote for a lurker to avoid coming up with suspicions. Not a good look. With that said, I am tone reading him as genuine, and he has brought forth insight throughout the game, mainly in the form of questions. I need to really think about him more though; he's the weakest of my town reads and could easily drop to a mafia read if he doesn't pick up more townie points.

Has anyone read sprityo's ISO? It's full of sketch. It's all mechanics questions for the hosts, discussion of mechanics, and last minute votes. In lynches with a clear runaway candidate, sprityo votes with the majority. In tighter lynches which would require him to take a stand, he votes for Floyd or talks about how we should get rid of the nonparticipants. The pattern is clear. sprityo is doing his best to not do anything that will put him in the spotlight. I encourage everyone to reread him. Let's get this guy in the hotseat pronto.

You're right, I just read back over Sprityo's posts and was astonished to see that he has 83 posts, yet I couldn't remember a single comment from him all game. He's been pushing for low/nonposters from Day 1 to the present and asks questions without giving much opinion himself. And, as you said, the bandwagony votes only give him a worse look.

Scotty wrote:

sprityo wrote:well figuring theres about 8 hours between now and then, that's about one to two pages worth of stuff. i honestly would rather remove lurkers form the game so that we can get off the topic and therefore actually start going after people without any other excuse to not lynch them

8 hours later..

sprityo wrote:Oh gee, who do i vote for?

*glances* guess it's SockFace

Did you vote for Mp because you realize that a lurker wasn't getting lynched, sprityo? Because this isn't helping you form any semblance of consistency.

juliets wrote:I didn't find a lot in sprityos posts to point to him being a baddie but I did find some things I want to call out and get his response to. Some of these are small things but since I detailed him I want to get those small things cleared up before they become big things.

The first thing is his comment that people should just sit back while these wall posts were going on and build on the mistakes made later. The only trouble is I never saw him refer back to that comment by building on any mistakes made. Maybe he did but if so I didn't recognize it in my iso.

ive forgotten about this entirely.....

Next was the comment made about Matt that he might not enjoy the spotlight. I saw that as laying down a suspicion that maybe Matt was bad because he wasn't as high profile as others. I personally haven't noticed this about Matt and he has 387 posts, in the top quarter of high posters in this game. I don't know if Matt is bad or not but this reason does not seem legit to me.

i have exactly watched games on this forum, nor have I ever interacted with Matt, this seems a perfectly fine question to ask to get to know someone a little better

Then we have his seemlingly dismayed reaction to the tie between Wilgy and Scotty. He seemed to be casting aspersions at the group - I don't know if he was going to narrow that down or not - but a note here is he didn't vote at all. So which is worse - trying and ending in a tie or just not voting. It seems like something a baddie would do.

i have a life and know for a fact I was busy that day. I even commented how I had just missed it

He also mentioned that he was not feeling good about Enrique though he didn't know why. I would have expected him to ISO Enrique or in some other way try to confirm what was making him feel pinged but I didn't see any evidence of that throughout the game. I didn't see the suspicion mentioned again.

correct, I haven't gone back to it yet, and probably won't. I mean, I COULD but
It'd take me actually wanting to

In the vote for Nerolunar sprityo voted last. This made me wonder if perhaps sprityo was Nero's partner. I realize other people who voted at the end may also be suspect in this area but since he was dead last I thought I would mention it.

same instance with the MP lynch. There was no way in hell my vote would matter to turn the lynch around, especially since you can't change your vote

Then he advises MP to look at the second big group of voters - including him - for possible bussing. I had a thought here that maybe sprityo was trying to waive away suspicion by including himself in the group.

this was a sincere thing I have to mp, I simply threw myself in there for ease of reading. I mean I could go the stock, "I known I'm town so you don't have to look at me" spiel, but that's it. Not to mention, does it really matter if I included myself or not? Everyone has their suspicions and simply providing a set of information in which I account myself doesn't mean it's a buss or cover.

Regarding Typhoony, he first says if Penguin is not Typhoony then who is the Penguin? He doesnt follow that up with any thoughts about who it could be but goes on to say they should be looking for Nero's partner not the penguin. In the middle of saying this she says she could vote for Typhoony. SVS caught this in the thread and sprityo explained which I included in a spoiler. See if it is a good enough explanation for you.

ugh now I've gotta go find this and respond separately

Makes another statement about something he is going to do, provide useful information if the hosts answer the question about whether Montoya has to use the power of the role but after the host answered I didn't see anything forthcoming on this subject.

the answer was not the answer I wanted, therefore voiding any usefulness to the comment in general

And finally, on her vote for MP she voted like she just looked at the list, saw he had most of the votes and voted him. Gave no reason at all.

One thing that sprityo posted that had people agreeing with him was a post about Mac's breadcrumbs. I included that post in a spoiler close to the bottom of the page.

Like I said this is not overwhelming evidence of being a baddie but there are some things to question. I hope sprityo is able to address these things soon.

juliets wrote: -

Spoiler: show

sprityo wrote:

S~V~S wrote: I might also vote for sprityo; that one post where in the same post he says, meh, I could vote Typhoony (inexplicable Penguin suspect), as well as saying he agrees that locating the Penguin isn't as important as locating the Mafia. So cocoa & brb.

In truth SVS, i dont care much for the penguin. At least personally i dont. My logic being either yay, we got rid of a town liability (no shows) or, there's a half decent case for possible penguin. I was really just gonna leave it up to the numbers and vote for whichever was in the lead (as you can see, i did vote floyd). Im not one for high risks, and im certainly not about to have a wall post fight with someone (mostly because all i could do is defend myself and not make any counters). But needless to say, the whole penguin theory was shoddy at best.

sprityo wrote:

juliets wrote:I didn't find a lot in sprityos posts to point to him being a baddie but I did find some things I want to call out and get his response to. Some of these are small things but since I detailed him I want to get those small things cleared up before they become big things.

The first thing is his comment that people should just sit back while these wall posts were going on and build on the mistakes made later. The only trouble is I never saw him refer back to that comment by building on any mistakes made. Maybe he did but if so I didn't recognize it in my iso.

ive forgotten about this entirely.....

Next was the comment made about Matt that he might not enjoy the spotlight. I saw that as laying down a suspicion that maybe Matt was bad because he wasn't as high profile as others. I personally haven't noticed this about Matt and he has 387 posts, in the top quarter of high posters in this game. I don't know if Matt is bad or not but this reason does not seem legit to me.

i have exactly watched games on this forum, nor have I ever interacted with Matt, this seems a perfectly fine question to ask to get to know someone a little better

Then we have his seemlingly dismayed reaction to the tie between Wilgy and Scotty. He seemed to be casting aspersions at the group - I don't know if he was going to narrow that down or not - but a note here is he didn't vote at all. So which is worse - trying and ending in a tie or just not voting. It seems like something a baddie would do.

i have a life and know for a fact I was busy that day. I even commented how I had just missed it

He also mentioned that he was not feeling good about Enrique though he didn't know why. I would have expected him to ISO Enrique or in some other way try to confirm what was making him feel pinged but I didn't see any evidence of that throughout the game. I didn't see the suspicion mentioned again.

correct, I haven't gone back to it yet, and probably won't. I mean, I COULD but
It'd take me actually wanting to

In the vote for Nerolunar sprityo voted last. This made me wonder if perhaps sprityo was Nero's partner. I realize other people who voted at the end may also be suspect in this area but since he was dead last I thought I would mention it.

same instance with the MP lynch. There was no way in hell my vote would matter to turn the lynch around, especially since you can't change your vote

Then he advises MP to look at the second big group of voters - including him - for possible bussing. I had a thought here that maybe sprityo was trying to waive away suspicion by including himself in the group.

this was a sincere thing I have to mp, I simply threw myself in there for ease of reading. I mean I could go the stock, "I known I'm town so you don't have to look at me" spiel, but that's it. Not to mention, does it really matter if I included myself or not? Everyone has their suspicions and simply providing a set of information in which I account myself doesn't mean it's a buss or cover.

Regarding Typhoony, he first says if Penguin is not Typhoony then who is the Penguin? He doesnt follow that up with any thoughts about who it could be but goes on to say they should be looking for Nero's partner not the penguin. In the middle of saying this she says she could vote for Typhoony. SVS caught this in the thread and sprityo explained which I included in a spoiler. See if it is a good enough explanation for you.

ugh now I've gotta go find this and respond separately

Makes another statement about something he is going to do, provide useful information if the hosts answer the question about whether Montoya has to use the power of the role but after the host answered I didn't see anything forthcoming on this subject.

the answer was not the answer I wanted, therefore voiding any usefulness to the comment in general

And finally, on her vote for MP she voted like she just looked at the list, saw he had most of the votes and voted him. Gave no reason at all.

One thing that sprityo posted that had people agreeing with him was a post about Mac's breadcrumbs. I included that post in a spoiler close to the bottom of the page.

Like I said this is not overwhelming evidence of being a baddie but there are some things to question. I hope sprityo is able to address these things soon.

sprityo wrote:

sprityo wrote:

juliets wrote:I didn't find a lot in sprityos posts to point to him being a baddie but I did find some things I want to call out and get his response to. Some of these are small things but since I detailed him I want to get those small things cleared up before they become big things.

The first thing is his comment that people should just sit back while these wall posts were going on and build on the mistakes made later. The only trouble is I never saw him refer back to that comment by building on any mistakes made. Maybe he did but if so I didn't recognize it in my iso.

ive forgotten about this entirely.....
I hope you will go back and take a look and maybe point to places you built on these early mistakes.

Next was the comment made about Matt that he might not enjoy the spotlight. I saw that as laying down a suspicion that maybe Matt was bad because he wasn't as high profile as others. I personally haven't noticed this about Matt and he has 387 posts, in the top quarter of high posters in this game. I don't know if Matt is bad or not but this reason does not seem legit to me.

i have exactly watched games on this forum, nor have I ever interacted with Matt, this seems a perfectly fine question to ask to get to know someone a little better
How could it be a perfectly fine question when he had so many posts?

Then we have his seemlingly dismayed reaction to the tie between Wilgy and Scotty. He seemed to be casting aspersions at the group - I don't know if he was going to narrow that down or not - but a note here is he didn't vote at all. So which is worse - trying and ending in a tie or just not voting. It seems like something a baddie would do.

i have a life and know for a fact I was busy that day. I even commented how I had just missed it
But why did you make a post so condescending toward the Wilgy and Scotty voters? It sounded like you were trying to cast suspicion.

He also mentioned that he was not feeling good about Enrique though he didn't know why. I would have expected him to ISO Enrique or in some other way try to confirm what was making him feel pinged but I didn't see any evidence of that throughout the game. I didn't see the suspicion mentioned again.

correct, I haven't gone back to it yet, and probably won't. I mean, I COULD but
It'd take me actually wanting to
Does this mean you lost suspicion of him before investigating your ping? I"m just not sure what you're saying here.

In the vote for Nerolunar sprityo voted last. This made me wonder if perhaps sprityo was Nero's partner. I realize other people who voted at the end may also be suspect in this area but since he was dead last I thought I would mention it.

same instance with the MP lynch. There was no way in hell my vote would matter to turn the lynch around, especially since you can't change your vote
But do you see how it looks like you could be bussing Nero?

Then he advises MP to look at the second big group of voters - including him - for possible bussing. I had a thought here that maybe sprityo was trying to waive away suspicion by including himself in the group.

this was a sincere thing I have to mp, I simply threw myself in there for ease of reading. I mean I could go the stock, "I known I'm town so you don't have to look at me" spiel, but that's it. Not to mention, does it really matter if I included myself or not? Everyone has their suspicions and simply providing a set of information in which I account myself doesn't mean it's a buss or cover.
Fair enough.

Regarding Typhoony, he first says if Penguin is not Typhoony then who is the Penguin? He doesnt follow that up with any thoughts about who it could be but goes on to say they should be looking for Nero's partner not the penguin. In the middle of saying this she says she could vote for Typhoony. SVS caught this in the thread and sprityo explained which I included in a spoiler. See if it is a good enough explanation for you.

ugh now I've gotta go find this and respond separately
I'll look forward to your response.

Makes another statement about something he is going to do, provide useful information if the hosts answer the question about whether Montoya has to use the power of the role but after the host answered I didn't see anything forthcoming on this subject.

the answer was not the answer I wanted, therefore voiding any usefulness to the comment in general
Fair enough.

And finally, on her vote for MP she voted like she just looked at the list, saw he had most of the votes and voted him. Gave no reason at all.

One thing that sprityo posted that had people agreeing with him was a post about Mac's breadcrumbs. I included that post in a spoiler close to the bottom of the page.

Like I said this is not overwhelming evidence of being a baddie but there are some things to question. I hope sprityo is able to address these things soon.

Dom wrote:

Scotty wrote: Dom, I understand you've outlined somewhere why you're suspicious of MP and to a lesser extent [now?] me, but what does MP have to lose in coming out about the strategy? I think he laid it out quite wholly. I understand never fully trusting in this game, but come on man. I'm just more surprised that I didn't die last night.

....I have said like 5 times now that I'm not looking to lynch MP