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And where did this thought come from? You just randomly decided to say you would look partnered if a flipped town was mafia? =)Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:03 am If Inawy flips scum i actually look quite partnered too actually.
Wait so… hollowkatt would be clear then as Inawy pushed him bad with me.
Tbh who says we get macs excellent work if iawy is alive so maybe it worked out.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:44 pmtbf I expected like 10 people to get shots today so it made the most sense to get it out as early as possible on a player that definitely needed clearing up.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:41 pmTBH I’d trust scotty with a gifted shot because I’d presume he would use it cautiously and not just fire it off at the first opportunity and…Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:39 pmIt doesn't matter how good your reads are if I think you are mafia. I only care about the goodness of your reads if I think you are town in the first place.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:42 pm Huh.
This isn’t so much a gotcha as it is a logical fallacy from my POV.
>“Iawy has decent reads in general” is pretty subjective. Who’s to say mine aren’t decent?
> “POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread”
Ok, so. I have a green check on myself.
>”This is enough to put him in the POE”
To put it another way: ‘I like the taste of beef burgers’
‘If someone makes a beef burger, odds are it’ll be good’
‘Someone made a fake beef burger’
‘I’m not even going to bother trying that garbage’
IAWY flipped town so I can trust him. What reasons have you provided me to trust you? Mac and Sloonei see something in your posting which is the only reason I'm keeping you out of the POE, but I haven't seen you do anything pro town other than shoot IAWY... which could easily have been a loud shot you are pretending is a silent one for cred.
I see that someone mentioned you were gifted a shot. Why do you think you out of all people were selected for that gift?
Well bugger, guess I won’t be gifting scotty shots any more.
Seriously tho- I won’t announce anything next time. It feels like I found an immunity idol in survivor and ingratiated myself with my tribe by telling everyone so you’d trust me.
Never again.
are you pretending not to understand to troll Golden or something?Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:23 pmI dont get it.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:11 pmLet me just completely disintegrate this for a second.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:03 pmWhy are you getting hostile?Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:57 pmNo, it's not a mistake, you just need to fucking read the thread so you know what happened.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:55 pmBut you said Mac's PoE not Alison's PoE, was that a mistake?Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:49 pmAlison took YOU out of it, not herselfGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:21 pm
You said you where sheeping Mac's PoE, which Alison got out of, meaning Mac declared her not sus, so you are sheeping that.
Now you say it's because Alison is townsiding, so you were not sheeping Mac's read on Alison now did you? You are telling me now that Alison is townsiding.
How do you determine that?
Mac made a PoE, and asked for people to make good cases to get people out of it.
Alison goty you out of it. Now you're not in the PoE
This really isn't hard if you just go back and read a few pages instead of asking me all about it.
So you said that the reason you are no longet voting me is because you trust Mac's POE.
I asked if you townread Mac enough to trust him on things, you said at the moment, meaning not certainty on Mac to begin with.
I asked you based on what did you build that trust on Mac's PoE.
You couldnt explain and you changed it to Alison is townsiding not because Mac's PoE.
I asked how she is townsiding
You can't tell me either and now you use foul language and get all hostile on me.
I believe that you were trying to pocket Mac using him as a reason to back out of your push on Alison.
[VOTE: Golden] aubergine
I did not say I 'trust' Mac's PoE. I said I'm hunting in it. You're not in Mac's PoE, therefore I'm not voting you.
You did not ask me based on what did I build trust in Mac's PoE. I built trust in Mac's PoE because I built trust in Mac, and because his development of the PoE is fucking stellar. Which - go read the thread. If you're townsiding and actually read that whole process, you'll agree.
You've invented a world in which I change from trusting Mac to trusting Alison because you cannot understand this basic fact - "Alison got you out of Mac's PoE" - which would be very basic to udnerstand if you just... read the thread.
I am going with Alison's vouch on you because I townread Alison, not because I trust you. I still think you're a good vig shot, but I believe in towncore consensus building for choosing the elim target.
If you literally just read the thread, you will quickly see it ain't me pocketing Mac. If anyone has pocketed anyone it's the other way around.
And my 'push' on Alison ended, like, half way through the day one phase. I haven't been pushing Alison for a looooong time.
What all of this tells me is that you aren't paying attention to thread state at all, which I'm inherently suspicious of. But Michelle keeps telling me to give you time.
You are saying that you are trusting Mac's PoE because Alison got me out of PoE.
What?
You clearly just stated i would be a great vig shot so you dont trust me. So why are you trusting Alison's read on me if you yourself cant even trust me? It looks like you cant explain why do you trust Mac's PoE, or Alison's read on me enough to sheep that PoE mace by Mac.
What if Alison and I were wolves? What if Alison is a wolf trying to associate me with her? Or pocketing me? What if she is using her charisma to second guess yourself about me?
Where are all of this questions in your head?
You can't show me why do you trust them.
You’re twisting your own words tho. Of course you can trust iawy because he flipped. You literally said because he was in the poe (implying before being flipped) he had better reads in general.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:39 pmIt doesn't matter how good your reads are if I think you are mafia. I only care about the goodness of your reads if I think you are town in the first place.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:42 pm Huh.
This isn’t so much a gotcha as it is a logical fallacy from my POV.
>“Iawy has decent reads in general” is pretty subjective. Who’s to say mine aren’t decent?
> “POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread”
Ok, so. I have a green check on myself.
>”This is enough to put him in the POE”
To put it another way: ‘I like the taste of beef burgers’
‘If someone makes a beef burger, odds are it’ll be good’
‘Someone made a fake beef burger’
‘I’m not even going to bother trying that garbage’
IAWY flipped town so I can trust him. What reasons have you provided me to trust you? Mac and Sloonei see something in your posting which is the only reason I'm keeping you out of the POE, but I haven't seen you do anything pro town other than shoot IAWY... which could easily have been a loud shot you are pretending is a silent one for cred.
I see that someone mentioned you were gifted a shot. Why do you think you out of all people were selected for that gift?
Oh, as to your last point- I don’t know- last time I got 2 guns, I shot and killed you in endgame to win. So…there’s that?Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:47 pmYou’re twisting your own words tho. Of course you can trust iawy because he flipped. You literally said because he was in the poe (implying before being flipped) he had better reads in general.Alison wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:39 pmIt doesn't matter how good your reads are if I think you are mafia. I only care about the goodness of your reads if I think you are town in the first place.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:42 pm Huh.
This isn’t so much a gotcha as it is a logical fallacy from my POV.
>“Iawy has decent reads in general” is pretty subjective. Who’s to say mine aren’t decent?
> “POE members tend to have better reads because they have a green check on themselves and so have slightly better perspective than everyone else in the thread”
Ok, so. I have a green check on myself.
>”This is enough to put him in the POE”
To put it another way: ‘I like the taste of beef burgers’
‘If someone makes a beef burger, odds are it’ll be good’
‘Someone made a fake beef burger’
‘I’m not even going to bother trying that garbage’
IAWY flipped town so I can trust him. What reasons have you provided me to trust you? Mac and Sloonei see something in your posting which is the only reason I'm keeping you out of the POE, but I haven't seen you do anything pro town other than shoot IAWY... which could easily have been a loud shot you are pretending is a silent one for cred.
I see that someone mentioned you were gifted a shot. Why do you think you out of all people were selected for that gift?
But we’re talking in circles
well yeah the fact you belaboured that you forget he exists like it's relevant in this game is strange... I feel like you're almost trying to spew him your wolf teammateGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:31 pmWhat about my unteraction with Rondo is strange? I keep forgetting he existsMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:59 amYes I am pretty familiar with Guillo and am not often wrong on him but being forced to read him in this context is different to how I am usually able to get a read on him. I just think that his tunneling me is a tactic he's using to try to keep me in check honestly. And I also thought the interaction between him and Rondo was fucking strange.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:58 amPeople who know Guillo better than me read town. I, not knowing Guillo at all, can't form a read based on knowledge, and I just see the behaviour as wolfy on the facts.
Michelle has asked me to give Guillo more time. Guillo has expressed disengagement. Do you know Guillo much? Give me your takes on meta.
Mac, you get upset by things you are doing to others. You are doing fine. We will solve together, and it will all be fine. I'm pretty sure both you and Nut are town, and for the record I agree about the iawy shot.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:06 amI am very angry at the way that this game is being played and the fact that the minute that I attempted to start to create a new POE and ask for people's perspectives on it I have had to deal with baseless accusations and hysteria.
But I'm also, again, it's been 3 weeks since a solid meal, please be patient with me.
And finally I will add that iawy getting day shot was a good thing for my perspective on the game state.
Guillo: If you respect our friendship you'll stop being meanGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:33 pmOh im sorry your majesty for questioning you, i forgot i had to bow and ask,permission to do so.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:05 amdisrupt my process, stop my towning more or less... he already showed his hand earlier with the fake counterclaim gambit and then dropped that, and then out of nowhere just started arbitrarily tunneling me again and pleading to a godread that doesn't exist, i cannot give him town points for it.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:03 am"keep you in check" like "get a clear read" or "stop your towning" or ambiguous?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:59 amYes I am pretty familiar with Guillo and am not often wrong on him but being forced to read him in this context is different to how I am usually able to get a read on him. I just think that his tunneling me is a tactic he's using to try to keep me in check honestly. And I also thought the interaction between him and Rondo was fucking strange.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:58 amPeople who know Guillo better than me read town. I, not knowing Guillo at all, can't form a read based on knowledge, and I just see the behaviour as wolfy on the facts.
Michelle has asked me to give Guillo more time. Guillo has expressed disengagement. Do you know Guillo much? Give me your takes on meta.
I know you're in catch up but there is little value in trying to console or cajole (I can't tell your intent honestly) based on emotions I was feeling literally yesterday. Why bother to pull this?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:49 pmMac, you get upset by things you are doing to others. You are doing fine. We will solve together, and it will all be fine. I'm pretty sure both you and Nut are town, and for the record I agree about the iawy shot.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:06 amI am very angry at the way that this game is being played and the fact that the minute that I attempted to start to create a new POE and ask for people's perspectives on it I have had to deal with baseless accusations and hysteria.
But I'm also, again, it's been 3 weeks since a solid meal, please be patient with me.
And finally I will add that iawy getting day shot was a good thing for my perspective on the game state.
I disagree that that is what I'm doing. Can't help the contextual thing though. I'm actually trying to comment as little as possible to get through all the content. Please give me some time before you make a judgement.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:57 pm Dyslexicon yanking NAI posts from 12 hours ago and commenting on them without bothering to check whether they are contextually relevant is one thing but that they're doing that instead of pulling alignment indicative quotes and making actual reads is wolfy imo.
I think MR and 112 got townier.
SVS turning on Marmot probably means they are not w/w.
So I'm not happy with my POE so much anymore. Put Guillo and Dizzy in it imo.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:33 am Marmot
master radishes
112
S~V~S
I think HK is town on ISO. I'll defer to Alison on Guillo. I'm taking sig out because of my personal read there.
Radishes iso is bad. All four of these are wolfy.
I wish Sabi's ISO wasn't broken so I could fucking read whether any of them are spewed town lol.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:52 amno I am not I am just trying to facilitate, you are playing better and have better reads than me
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:12 amGood take.
Possible alternate world: Sabi was a lost mafia (something that doesn't really bear thinking about in all the spewing etc).
I mighta kinda provoked him a little bit.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:50 pmGuillo: If you respect our friendship you'll stop being meanGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:33 pmOh im sorry your majesty for questioning you, i forgot i had to bow and ask,permission to do so.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:05 amdisrupt my process, stop my towning more or less... he already showed his hand earlier with the fake counterclaim gambit and then dropped that, and then out of nowhere just started arbitrarily tunneling me again and pleading to a godread that doesn't exist, i cannot give him town points for it.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:03 am"keep you in check" like "get a clear read" or "stop your towning" or ambiguous?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:59 amYes I am pretty familiar with Guillo and am not often wrong on him but being forced to read him in this context is different to how I am usually able to get a read on him. I just think that his tunneling me is a tactic he's using to try to keep me in check honestly. And I also thought the interaction between him and Rondo was fucking strange.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:58 amPeople who know Guillo better than me read town. I, not knowing Guillo at all, can't form a read based on knowledge, and I just see the behaviour as wolfy on the facts.
Michelle has asked me to give Guillo more time. Guillo has expressed disengagement. Do you know Guillo much? Give me your takes on meta.
Also Guillo: *be an unprovoked hostile person because suspected*
You know that when i get hostile that is not how i sound. You know what guillo hostile rrally looks like.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:50 pmGuillo: If you respect our friendship you'll stop being meanGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:33 pmOh im sorry your majesty for questioning you, i forgot i had to bow and ask,permission to do so.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:05 amdisrupt my process, stop my towning more or less... he already showed his hand earlier with the fake counterclaim gambit and then dropped that, and then out of nowhere just started arbitrarily tunneling me again and pleading to a godread that doesn't exist, i cannot give him town points for it.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:03 am"keep you in check" like "get a clear read" or "stop your towning" or ambiguous?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:59 amYes I am pretty familiar with Guillo and am not often wrong on him but being forced to read him in this context is different to how I am usually able to get a read on him. I just think that his tunneling me is a tactic he's using to try to keep me in check honestly. And I also thought the interaction between him and Rondo was fucking strange.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:58 amPeople who know Guillo better than me read town. I, not knowing Guillo at all, can't form a read based on knowledge, and I just see the behaviour as wolfy on the facts.
Michelle has asked me to give Guillo more time. Guillo has expressed disengagement. Do you know Guillo much? Give me your takes on meta.
Also Guillo: *be an unprovoked hostile person because suspected*
If I was mafia I would have blocked neon for sure when she was threatening to vig my teammate.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:01 pmGolden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:12 amGood take.
Possible alternate world: Sabi was a lost mafia (something that doesn't really bear thinking about in all the spewing etc).
Goid take? Why?
Do you have time constraints or are you just taking more of a back seat for other reasons? I'm curious as to how you see your own play this game.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:43 am Speaking of Old Sloonei, he whispers to me from the abyss evert now and again. He wants me to pass this message along:
People who are naming Sloonei as an actual suspect, rather than simply naming him in their POE, are essentially plucking names at random from a hat.
I probably should not have pulled this up. But it made me feel bad when I was reading. And I read both you and Nut as town.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 4:55 pmI know you're in catch up but there is little value in trying to console or cajole (I can't tell your intent honestly) based on emotions I was feeling literally yesterday. Why bother to pull this?
Anyway now that you have, that first sentence I'd appreciation citation on how what I'm bothered by outlined here I am guilty of cuz it reads like you're just trying to call me out for no real reason and then offset it with the follow up. Feels like emotional abuse tbh.
Big if true. The other day vig we had was a silent shot, so this could be true. Which is very towny for Scotty in that case.
Both. I'm semi-retired because life has gotten too busy, and also because my job involves sitting in front of a computer screen, reading things and writing about them. So when I do play, I don't approach it with the same level of energy as I once did. I get burnt out immediately if I try to be Old Sloonei.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:04 pmDo you have time constraints or are you just taking more of a back seat for other reasons? I'm curious as to how you see your own play this game.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 2:43 am Speaking of Old Sloonei, he whispers to me from the abyss evert now and again. He wants me to pass this message along:
People who are naming Sloonei as an actual suspect, rather than simply naming him in their POE, are essentially plucking names at random from a hat.
Dizzy is never "wolfy" as a wolf. They have immaculate presentation. You need to try harder to read them, which in this gamestate is hard because of the, as you've said, "tropiness" of everything. Dizzy is well placed to be able to easily snake through in this type of gamestate. I don't think Dyslexicon has exhibited an intent to contribute to the town wincon through the lions share of their posts. Their analysis has been disjointed, they have no fire and I am also annoyed with them right now and have decided everyone making me feel bad can die for selfish reasons.
Or maybe they didnt believe Neon and blocked someone else because who believes someone openly claiming a gun when i in most cases those claims are always fake and we got history on this board to be that case.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:04 pmIf I was mafia I would have blocked neon for sure when she was threatening to vig my teammate.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:01 pmGolden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:12 amGood take.
Possible alternate world: Sabi was a lost mafia (something that doesn't really bear thinking about in all the spewing etc).
Goid take? Why?
WOLVES DONT BEED TO POCKET OTGER WOLVESGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:01 amNo. If one is a wolf the other is not.
Wolves dont pocket each other
YayyyyyDyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:16 pmWOLVES DONT BEED TO POCKET OTGER WOLVESGuillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 3:01 amNo. If one is a wolf the other is not.
Wolves dont pocket each other
@Party Crasher Make sure DZ gets this
I think you should listen to Urist and I wub you even if you're mad at me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:14 pmDizzy is never "wolfy" as a wolf. They have immaculate presentation. You need to try harder to read them, which in this gamestate is hard because of the, as you've said, "tropiness" of everything. Dizzy is well placed to be able to easily snake through in this type of gamestate. I don't think Dyslexicon has exhibited an intent to contribute to the town wincon through the lions share of their posts. Their analysis has been disjointed, they have no fire and I am also annoyed with them right now and have decided everyone making me feel bad can die for selfish reasons.
Yeah, that’s not my read. I could be wrong but hopefully you see what I mean now about Alison trying to solve. And also taking new info on board, she was looking for spew info but when I asked questions about what sabi would do she considered it and had a moment of doubt. There’s good progression there.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:14 pmOr maybe they didnt believe Neon and blocked someone else because who believes someone openly claiming a gun when i in most cases those claims are always fake and we got history on this board to be that case.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:04 pmIf I was mafia I would have blocked neon for sure when she was threatening to vig my teammate.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:01 pmGolden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:12 amGood take.
Possible alternate world: Sabi was a lost mafia (something that doesn't really bear thinking about in all the spewing etc).
Goid take? Why?
But that is besides the point, i thought scum!Alison TMIed her team's inability to prevent kills on their members but maybe im wrong.
Why is MR coming out?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:17 pm In my catch up I thought Seanzie's brief re-entry was scummy. I'm swapping MR and 112 for Dizzy, Seanzie and Guillo in my POE.
@Urist apparently you have words that are interesting to share?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:18 pmI think you should listen to Urist and I wub you even if you're mad at me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:14 pmDizzy is never "wolfy" as a wolf. They have immaculate presentation. You need to try harder to read them, which in this gamestate is hard because of the, as you've said, "tropiness" of everything. Dizzy is well placed to be able to easily snake through in this type of gamestate. I don't think Dyslexicon has exhibited an intent to contribute to the town wincon through the lions share of their posts. Their analysis has been disjointed, they have no fire and I am also annoyed with them right now and have decided everyone making me feel bad can die for selfish reasons.
I thought MR had townie entitlement when they were all pouty.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:18 pmWhy is MR coming out?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:17 pm In my catch up I thought Seanzie's brief re-entry was scummy. I'm swapping MR and 112 for Dizzy, Seanzie and Guillo in my POE.
solve the game
Understandable. I think it makes you harder to read, speaking for myself. But I'm happy you are able to play with the energy you can afford and want to.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:12 pmBoth. I'm semi-retired because life has gotten too busy, and also because my job involves sitting in front of a computer screen, reading things and writing about them. So when I do play, I don't approach it with the same level of energy as I once did. I get burnt out immediately if I try to be Old Sloonei.
He's just trying to live his truth.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:18 pmWhy is MR coming out?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:17 pm In my catch up I thought Seanzie's brief re-entry was scummy. I'm swapping MR and 112 for Dizzy, Seanzie and Guillo in my POE.