Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

[Chris]

Considering that I think there's no more roles that can explain NK survivals, DF is either The Master or The Cyber Controller. In that aspect, it's win win.

Now, as far as how positive I am... I know I'm not The Master. The reduces it to Elo and DF. That makes it 50/50.

You're beginning to scare me, Chris...

Epig, I can say that it's 33.3333333333333333/33.3333333333333333/33.333333333333333, but I know my role.

Would you like it better if I said there was a third of a chance instead?

[Tangrowth]

Yeah, I'm of the opinion that The Master used his redirect already, unless something else REALLY funky happened.

So that only strengthens the argument that finding information about The Master makes more sense to pursue right now, probably, since his protections and NK do make him urgent.

Additionally, I agree Strax should decide what he wants, but he could always just NK Bass, especially if it seems he's not the Cyber Controller.

[Epignosis]

Considering that I think there's no more roles that can explain NK survivals, DF is either The Master or The Cyber Controller. In that aspect, it's win win.

Now, as far as how positive I am... I know I'm not The Master. The reduces it to Elo and DF. That makes it 50/50.

You're beginning to scare me, Chris...

Why's this?

I thought you dropped your suspicion of Chris being The Master.

The two of us being on the same page.

Spooky.

[Chris]

The two of us being on the same page.

Spooky.

True though...

[Tangrowth]

I should really get back to studying though, so I'll be back sometime this evening. Curious what everyone thinks here. And I'm especially curious regarding more elaboration from Epig since he said he would post some more information about DF being The Master but maybe now seems to be doubting it?

See you folks later.

Positivism forever!

Linki w/ Epig: Lol, that is pretty funny.

[Marmot]

I think it's worth noting that it seems Strax did not target DFaraday. TH pointed out that his insanifier was redirected. While that could have been a secret role, it could have also been The Master's once-a-game redirect-everything power, which would mean DF wasn't Strax's original target.

The fact that he survived Strax's kill still remains, however.

DF, I want to hear a lot more from you. You're currently one of my top suspects. Who are your top suspects? I want to know what you're thinking. A penny for your thoughts, DF.

Though keys beat me to this one.

Also I was just reading Chris' post yesterday where he said he didn't like the idea of a DF lynch.

I don't like the thought of a DF lynch at all.

[Marmot]

I should really get back to studying though, so I'll be back sometime this evening. Curious what everyone thinks here. And I'm especially curious regarding more elaboration from Epig since he said he would post some more information about DF being The Master but maybe now seems to be doubting it?

See you folks later.

Positivism forever!

Linki w/ Epig: Lol, that is pretty funny.

Are you thinking of his hypothesis of juliets or something different?

[Chris]

I think it's worth noting that it seems Strax did not target DFaraday. TH pointed out that his insanifier was redirected. While that could have been a secret role, it could have also been The Master's once-a-game redirect-everything power, which would mean DF wasn't Strax's original target.

The fact that he survived Strax's kill still remains, however.

DF, I want to hear a lot more from you. You're currently one of my top suspects. Who are your top suspects? I want to know what you're thinking. A penny for your thoughts, DF.

Though keys beat me to this one.

Also I was just reading Chris' post yesterday where he said he didn't like the idea of a DF lynch.

I don't like the thought of a DF lynch at all.

1. How does TH know that targets were redirected. At best, he knew his target was redirected. And like I admitted, it could have been The Master's radomizer.

2. I didn't like the sound of a DF lynch at the time. I didn't want anything to take the focus off of Bass... at the time.

Shit's changed.

[Snow Dog]

The Three Amigos.

Thanks, Chris.

[keys56000000000]

2. I didn't like the sound of a DF lynch at the time. I didn't want anything to take the focus off of Bass... at the time.

Shit's changed.

Fucking amazing, lol. I need an aspirin.

[Snow Dog]

DF has been mentioned a few times this thread so he has kinda been on the back burner for me as an avenue of interest. I can see him being the Master with the way he's played. Unobtrusive. Better to kill the master than a team. A team may have many people but they only have one kill. The master is one (unless recruited) and kills all alone. So he is the high priority target imo.

[Epignosis]

I should really get back to studying though, so I'll be back sometime this evening. Curious what everyone thinks here. And I'm especially curious regarding more elaboration from Epig since he said he would post some more information about DF being The Master but maybe now seems to be doubting it?

My original belief was that DF was the Cyber Controller, and according to my spreadsheet, he still could be. However, DF is one of four people who could be The Master. Eloh, the other survivor in my quartet, sounded genuine to me when she survived:

Hi there Elo, what happened last night? Can you share?

I do believe I know what happened/how I survived but I am not all too sure I am allowed to share. I am really bad for dumping too much info when I have it. I will just say, read the civ roles again....or is that too much info?

Add this to the fact that she said this before it was made known that Strax's first three civilian kills fail. Were she The Master, it would make more sense for her to simply claim that she didn't know how she survived, rather than claim one of a handful of civilian roles as early as Day 3.

Also, it's not that DF has been blendy- he's been downright opportunistic:

RIP MP. Very interesting about LC. That's what, 4 currently living players who have been targeted for NKs? I'm betting both the Cyber Controller and the Master are among them.

As for the Master, I do think he's probably one of the people who's survived an NK. I find it a little hard to swallow that Sarah and Jack are two of them, and the other two are also civvies who just happened to be saved.

These two posts, for instance (both occurring before Night 8), paint with broad strokes. He thinks The Master and the Cyber Controller are people who have survived Night kills, but he doesn't elaborate or specify whom, and he doesn't pursue this thinking. Instead, he chooses to go with the flow: Bass, who has not survived a NK. His vote is "because of the possible Cyberman connection."

Ironically, DF defends himself this way:

Bandwagon much? I don't know how to defend against this other than by saying 1. I'm not the Cyber Controller, and 2. I'm sorry if I play too carefully. I'm just not the kind of player to throw out every random thought I have (and I don't mean that as an insult to players who do ).

I will be *Voting Bass*, which I was planning to do anyway because I do think he's likely bad, and also he's not me.

"Bandwagon much?" he asks, even though his Day 9 and current votes are textbook examples of bandwagon votes- moving in the same direction as the majority without adding to the discussion. Notice how early on, DF voted outside of the majority, but with one exception since Day 4, he's been getting that vote in wherever everyone else is.

Now Chris says The Msater has to be him, DF, or Eloh, but Chris isn't one of my four. Therefore, if he's right on his end, it has to be DF or Eloh, and I don't think it's Eloh.

[zeek]

Hi there Elo, what happened last night? Can you share?

I do believe I know what happened/how I survived but I am not all too sure I am allowed to share. I am really bad for dumping too much info when I have it. I will just say, read the civ roles again....or is that too much info?

Add this to the fact that she said this before it was made known that Strax's first three civilian kills fail. Were she The Master, it would make more sense for her to simply claim that she didn't know how she survived, rather than claim one of a handful of civilian roles as early as Day 3.

Thi was also way before anybody had solved, or even started (I presume), Rory's secrets. Rule that out and she's pretty much claiming one of two roles. Vague enough for nobody to question and early enough that nobody would think to question much. However, Chris is one of those two roles and, based on subtle clues in the thread, I have somebody else down as the other. Did you not notice her laser screwdriver in the bedroom?

Based on this, I'm moving to Elo. I urge you all to join me.

Now Chris says The Msater has to be him, DF, or Eloh, but Chris isn't one of my four. Therefore, if he's right on his end, it has to be DF or Eloh, and I don't think it's Eloh.

Who are your other two suspects?

[Chris]

Hi there Elo, what happened last night? Can you share?

I do believe I know what happened/how I survived but I am not all too sure I am allowed to share. I am really bad for dumping too much info when I have it. I will just say, read the civ roles again....or is that too much info?

Add this to the fact that she said this before it was made known that Strax's first three civilian kills fail. Were she The Master, it would make more sense for her to simply claim that she didn't know how she survived, rather than claim one of a handful of civilian roles as early as Day 3.

Thi was also way before anybody had solved, or even started (I presume), Rory's secrets. Rule that out and she's pretty much claiming one of two roles. Vague enough for nobody to question and early enough that nobody would think to question much. However, Chris is one of those two roles and, based on subtle clues in the thread, I have somebody else down as the other. Did you not notice her laser screwdriver in the bedroom?

Based on this, I'm moving to Elo. I urge you all to join me.

Does this not do anything for you?

Well I think the idea of Elo being The Master is definitely wrong so won't spend too much time on it. You said your case was vote records based, and I was going to point out that Elo voted for MM over Epi on the day where they were tied. Elo had previously expressed suspicion of Epi2.0 as well so I think that move would not make any sense at all for Elo to make if she had BTSC with MM. I thought it was preposterous that you even suggest it and it made me think you had some nefarious reason to bring it up to BR without fully researching it first.

[Epignosis]

Dom and Nijuu, zeek.

[zeek]

K, so she could still be Cyber...

[zeek]

Dom and Nijuu, zeek.

I have no idea on those two, hard to read for sure. I'm leaning civ on both but I have nothing to say they are except gut.

[Chris]

The lynch switch is what leads me most to DF being The Master.

[zeek]

I'm not thinking straight tonight. I'll follow you with a DF vote seen as my Elo theory was garbage. Master needs to go.

[Epignosis]

I'm not thinking straight tonight. I'll follow you with a DF vote seen as my Elo theory was garbage. Master needs to go.

You're not voting straight either.

[Chris]

To head this off anyway:

MM: Seriously? I've been talking my head off and I even mentioned once earlier to JC that I felt a bit uncomfortable talking during the night when I typically do not, so yeah... Given the fact that I took no votes yesterday, I had a feeling I was going to get targeted with an NK.

I stand by what I said. Survived night kills are fishy. You're clearly not a cybertron, which makes you less suspish. I also have been getting civvie vibes from you in general. But you still survived a night kill.

Linki: You're not on my lynch list.

Linki 2: Stop posting MP and let me post.

Three civ roles appear to have the ability to potentially survive an NK on their own; Mickey, Sarah Jane and Captain Jack. So what makes it so suspish? Plus the person who attempted to kill Elo was a civvie. I am curious why her survival does not seem as bad to you.

Look harder....there are other civ roles with surviving skills.

The one role that was not mentioned was Rory.

[zeek]

Yeah, I guess that totally makes sense actually, Chris. Sorry Elo. God, need to research more before posting.

I'm not thinking straight tonight. I'll follow you with a DF vote seen as my Elo theory was garbage. Master needs to go.

You're not voting straight either.

Tell me about it, I feel drunk with theories.

[Chris]

If that's the case, then I don't have anyone down for Sarah Jane.

But I'm also of the mind that some people just aren't as comfortable role hinting as I am.

She may have just not wanted to even admit that she was one of those three...

Or maybe she was lying. I don't know. I know that TH, a civ spoke up for her, and that BR, who I'm almost positive is a civ also stood up for her.

[zeek]

Yeah, you're on the money with Elo I think. I have someone down as Sarah Jane but I think I've done enough blathering for one night haha.

[Chris]

Based on this, I'm moving to Elo. I urge you all to join me.

[Chris]

Based on this, I'm moving to Elo. I urge you all to join me.

[/quote]

Yeah, that was wrong...

[Epignosis]

I have someone down as Sarah Jane

As do I.

[Epignosis]

It would be a sin to waste this weather. I'm taking the children outside for a while.

[Chris]

Does anyone have Martha Jones down for anyone?

Just a yes or a no would suffice.

[zeek]

No. Haven't really got anybody but Face of Boe (BR), Jack (you) and Sarah Jane.

[Tangrowth]

Does anyone have Martha Jones down for anyone?

Just a yes or a no would suffice.

Yes.

I also have someone down for Sarah Jane.

[Tangrowth]

No. Haven't really got anybody but Face of Boe (BR), Jack (you) and Sarah Jane.

You think BR was Face of Boe?

I considered it, but I don't think that's true.

[Chris]

No. Haven't really got anybody but Face of Boe (BR), Jack (you) and Sarah Jane.

Facey doesn't work with BR's save.

BR being a Doctor companion, the one who can survive Dalek kills is what I had for her.

[Chris]

Rose Tyler

[zeek]

Yeah, maybe, I was wrong about who I thought Jackie was as well.

[Tangrowth]

I think BR was civvie, but not Face of Boe, for the record.

[Tangrowth]

By the way, Epig, thanks for elaborating. I have question marks next to Blooper and Dom as well at the moment, though I'm leaning more ? on Blooper and more civ on Dom, just based on thread behavior.

However, Epig, why did you eliminate Chris from the possibilities? I missed that. Is it just because you assume he is who he says he is? I don't really think Chris is The Master at this point either, but am curious how you eliminated him.

[Chris]

Does anyone have Martha Jones down for anyone?

Just a yes or a no would suffice.

Yes.

I'm working on a theory about her...

How confident are you in your belief in who this is?

And is she still alive?

[Tangrowth]

Does anyone have Martha Jones down for anyone?

Just a yes or a no would suffice.

Yes.

I'm working on a theory about her...

How confident are you in your belief in who this is?

And is she still alive?

100% and yes.

Don't want to out who it is though.

[Chris]

Right. Of course.

Let me ask you this.

Was she ever suspected as a Dalek?

[Tangrowth]

Right. Of course.

Let me ask you this.

Was she ever suspected as a Dalek?

Yes.

[Tangrowth]

Not sure I should elaborate more than that though... I think. Don't want to tell the baddies who she is.

[Chris]

Nope. Not at all. No more is necessary.

But it certainly makes some sense...

[Tangrowth]

Nope. Not at all. No more is necessary.

But it certainly makes some sense...

Okay, good, glad we're on the same page (probably).

I really hope DF is The Master. After reviewing the list of living players though, I think the case for him is the strongest at the moment.

[Chris]

I agree.

And I think I may have been very wrong about Epig.

[Tangrowth]

I'm still nervous though.

I do still think it makes way more sense to lynch him, however, and then Strax can NK a suspected Cyber at will. I think there's really practically no doubt Bass is bad at this point, and, to a lesser degree, Snow Dog. The only issue is there the Controller. What was your exact logic behind Bass being the role blocker again, Chris?

[Chris]

What was your exact logic behind Bass being the role blocker again, Chris?

To be honest, it was a process of elimination based on now changed opinion.

I'm still very sure of Cyberness... but the role can be that of The Controller or Cyber # 1. It's a win/win with him, except for the night kills.

If we need a sure fire Cyber, I'd say go after Snow. I'm more sure of him than I am of my new suspect who just replaced Epig.

[Chris]

Unless you wanna shot for the moon with the civ save protection Strax has got going on, and go for the new one? Leave the established suspects for lynches when needed, or for when the civ save is gone?

I feel maybe 80% on this new one.

[Chris]

I should add, that if I'm right about this new suspicion, then it makes Bass The Controller.

[Tangrowth]

What was your exact logic behind Bass being the role blocker again, Chris?

To be honest, it was a process of elimination based on now changed opinion.

I'm still very sure of Cyberness... but the role can be that of The Controller or Cyber # 1. It's a win/win with him, except for the night kills.

If we need a sure fire Cyber, I'd say go after Snow. I'm more sure of him than I am of my new suspect who just replaced Epig.

Hmmm, interesting. Thanks. It would really suck if Strax wasted his kill, but... still think this DF lynch might be better. Will have to mull on it.

Suppose I wouldn't argue with a Bass lynch, but I really want to find the freaking Master, and after hearing you out I agree that if The Master's protection has only been used up in a limited fashion that he's a more urgent problem.

Linki w/ Chris: Who are you thinking?