The Syndicate

sprityo wrote:@juliets

If you honestly, in your gut, etc, know I'm anti town. Then by all means. But if you're (you being everyone here) just looking to vote something, then please reconsider.

Glorfindel wrote:In my view and from my reading, I feel my vote for MetalMarsh is more than justified at this point.

Matt wrote:I think Turnip is super sketch and want to vote for him today, but I don't think anyone else in the game is even looking at him. So I'll add one more to the Mac vote.

Off to work, good luck town!

MacDougall wrote:

sig wrote:If I die lynch Zebra

Lol I will see to that don't worry.

Golden wrote:Mac, you shouldn't have done that but I understand why you did.

MacDougall wrote:

Golden wrote:Mac, you shouldn't have done that but I understand why you did.

I'm not getting mod-killed, but at least now the town won't waste a lynch on me.

S~V~S wrote:This is why I hate role hints and relying on them; I have no idea WTF you are talking about here, Golden.

S~V~S wrote:This is why I hate role hints and relying on them; I have no idea WTF you are talking about here, Golden.

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:This is why I hate role hints and relying on them; I have no idea WTF you are talking about here, Golden.

Chrysanthemums awarding dime art.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:If the Scarecrow targets their own role (i.e. Penguin must kill himself) how the hell does that work?

That wouldn't be allowed.

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:If the Scarecrow targets their own role (i.e. Penguin must kill himself) how the hell does that work?

That wouldn't be allowed.

DharmaHelper wrote:Anybody wanna be my number one amigo and link me to the Mac. Sabie, and Spirityo cases or nah?

sprityo wrote:Essentially now, or at least how I'm interpreting it, is that I answered all of Juliette questions, minus say I need to go back and provide a nice read of some stuff, and all the suspicion now comes down to this silly "I don't care if you lynch me, oh and I hinted my role" so now we're upset by this? Like I'm confused still like how I was with the whole Scotty Wilgy thing from day one in. Why? Since it feels like it's a lot of "ew no, I'm voting you cause I dislike that"

Like damn if you don't like my silly "breadcrumb" then don't get offended by it people. Either look for it, ignore it, or some third option.

Linki: and there you go^^

sprityo wrote:@juliets

If you honestly, in your gut, etc, know I'm anti town. Then by all means. But if you're (you being everyone here) just looking to vote something, then please reconsider.

DharmaHelper wrote:I can feel a sabie vote out of Sabie/Spirityo/Mac. So thats where I'm voting.

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:This is why I hate role hints and relying on them; I have no idea WTF you are talking about here, Golden.

Mine is intended for Mac to understand. His might be more self-explanatory.

I think the more relevant question is, why is Mac's behaviour in any way suspicious? What about his crumb hint looked suspicious? Have you seen that tactic used by baddies before? And why was he taking votes on that day in the first place, that necessitated him having to work to defend himself? None of this makes sense to me, in that I just don't understand what people are seeing, because Mac seems very townie this game.

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:This is why I hate role hints and relying on them; I have no idea WTF you are talking about here, Golden.

Mine is intended for Mac to understand. His might be more self-explanatory.

I think the more relevant question is, why is Mac's behaviour in any way suspicious? What about his crumb hint looked suspicious? Have you seen that tactic used by baddies before? And why was he taking votes on that day in the first place, that necessitated him having to work to defend himself? None of this makes sense to me, in that I just don't understand what people are seeing, because Mac seems very townie this game.

No, I understood his. I don;t understand yours. And, tbh, I should not have to understand them, They should not be required.

Pre bread crumb, I discussed why I thought he was bad. Then the way he handled the role hint felt very, very, very *faux* to me. OMG OMG ROLE HINT then once he isn;t lynched, well, it was not so apparent, was it?

If he is lynched and not bad, tbh, the whole role hint made him more suspect, not less for the most part.

Linki yeah I know

Golden wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:If the Scarecrow targets their own role (i.e. Penguin must kill himself) how the hell does that work?

That wouldn't be allowed.

Sure. The point of my link wasn't that Mac was forced to target himself. It's what else it implied.

Sorsha wrote:

Golden wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:If the Scarecrow targets their own role (i.e. Penguin must kill himself) how the hell does that work?

That wouldn't be allowed.

Sure. The point of my link wasn't that Mac was forced to target himself. It's what else it implied.

Are you saying that Scarecrow figured out Mac's role and is telling all of his (the scarecrows) targets that they need his (mac's) role dead?

S~V~S wrote:I have not been Scarecrowed.

And for me it was THs case, I will go pull that up.

Turnip Head wrote:

Enrique wrote:I want to hear Turnip Head's thoughts on MP today (and also on sig).

I don't want to lynch either of them. I think MacDougall might be Nero's teammate.

MacDougall wrote:[snip]I've liked spirityo's feel too. Also nerolunar has seemed quite natty which is good. Matt looks natty.

Just want to reiterate that I barely read any of the actual content because I found much of what I was reading dramatic over exaggeration of irrelevant points.

So to reiterate here's some of these

For Turnip Head, Lorab, Bass and bea.

This is Mac's first mention of Nero. I don't know what natty means but in context it's a defense of his character in the same post where Mac says he hasn't read much content.

MacDougall wrote:

Typhoony wrote:

Nerolunar wrote: I still believe we should go to AA though. Im wondering if there is a mechanic that makes the Riddler place clues where he has been. He has been at Arkham, so it wouldn´t surprise me if there was one.

What is this based on?

I like the question Typhoony but I also like Nerolunar's theory here. I think the idea that Riddler would leave evidence behind of his crimes is pretty solid, but I don't think that'd be as simple as us being able to select the asylum and get one...

More of Mac finding Nero's contributions valuable.

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think the most suspicious thing to come out of this was Neru throwing shade at me and then backing down when I called him out on it.

Was weird huh.

This won't show up in a search because I was calling him "Neru" for forever and Mac was responding to my post.

For those who have not read this 90 page behemoth, Mac made a big deal over me using the word "we" to refer to civilian behavior, and Nero backed him up with a definitive statement about how it made me bad. When I called Nero out for sounding so sure about it, he backed off with a "No haha lots of time left." After Mac and I hashed it out for 100 posts or so, I made this comment about Nero and Mac gave this half-hearted agreement. I believe Nero simply got too confident in following a teammate's suspicion here, and upon realizing that he backed off.

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:[snip]

I agree with your feelings towards bea. I am wondering why Nerolunar isn't on your list though.

All this really shows is that Mac is cognizant of my suspicion of Nero.

MacDougall wrote:

bea wrote:So basically you are saying yes Matt was likely cursed but here is why it most likely wasn't by the Joker. Yes?

Linki. Yay!! I understood something!!

I'm not actually dismissing the possibility that he was cursed by The Joker. Maybe The Joker can do that as part of his secrets. I am dismissing the possibility that it occured via Matt having targeted him.

Matt's suspicion of Nerolunar is based on Nero talking about the Riddler. Matt is probably The Riddler and thinks Nero is the cop that needs him dead.

In which Mac calls into question Matt's motives for wanting to lynch Nero. This is a bizarre post, mostly because Mac had been defending Matt up until this point. But this not only discredit's Matt's suspicion of Nero, it discredits his motives entirely by speculating that Matt is the Riddler himself. If you look through Mac's posts, this is the only point in the game where Mac questions his civvieness, when it relates to Nero as a suspect. Mac reads Matt as civ in all situations except where it relates to Nero.

Matt eventually seems like a goner, but then Enrique comes in with his 180 on the subject, and people are looking for a new lynch target.

DharmaHelper wrote:Lets lynch Nero.

MacDougall wrote:Let's not just lynch a guy based on a player saying let's lynch them. Let's decide on who the best candidate is.

I tactically stopped attacking my suspects from Day 1 today and it revealed some interesting stuff. Under the microscope Turnip Head contributed plenty of discussion. As soon as I took the microscope away his contribution to discussion screeched to a grinding halt. Why?

This post is a direct response to DH saying we should lynch Nero. He doesn't name Nero, instead tries to pivot back to his earlier suspicion of me by mischaracterizing my play as "screeching to a grinding halt".

Mac follows up:

MacDougall wrote:I think sig and nero are both reasonable candidates and wouldn't actually mind seeing either of them flip. But, I would like it to be based on something more than DharmaHelper blatantly inviting lurkers to drive by vote whoever he says to.

Enrique is the one who suggested that we move votes toward sig or Nero. DharmaHelper only said Nero. This post is a defense of Nero and only Nero.

MacDougall wrote:Sig and nero... Sig, the ultimate in mislynch meta and nero who I've never played with before. Both ping me for different reasons.

Sig - Well, I am seeing an unusually thorough sig. He's held together. Usually civ sig is a little more mealy mouthed lol. His responses to being put under threat here are a little alarming.
Nerolunar - There was the thing on day 1 where he tried to jump in on the Turnip Head suspicion and when TH growled at him he backed off all like "lol jks bra" and tbh that is arguably the most surface scummy thing that has occurred. Coupled with Matt wanting him lynched...

I think I'd endorse Nero being lynched over sig.

This is the first indication that Mac thinks the thing I mentioned on Day 1 was "the most surface scummy thing that has occurred". But Mac never votes for Nero on the basis of that and never interrogates Nero the way he had me for the "we" thing.

MacDougall wrote:Nero is a good lynch today imo. Y'all should just go watch some TV or something and wait for the outcome.

Nero had 7 votes at this point and there was about an hour and a half left. Weird post.

MacDougall wrote:Reveal that not civvie plz.

MacDougall wrote:Reveal dat Catwoman or someshit

This bravado rings false. The Catwoman thing seems like an allusion to the fact that Matt thought Nero was the Riddler, and Enrique thought Nero was the Joker. To me it feels like Mac knew Nero would flip mafia against the evidence, and while he wanted to sound confident he also wanted to poke fun at the conspiracy theories.



On the Nero side of things...

Nerolunar wrote:Honestly Matt I think you fear for your own life. Trying to raise a mob against me and what not.

Strong Civ reads: Juliets, Mac and Golden. They seem very genuine and has brought on some good points. I find myself to mostly agree with these people. I should include Scotty here too since I too believe that Wilgy was Robin.

Slight Civ reads: Sorsha. This guy seems very reasonable but doesn´t post that much which strikes me as odd. Dom and MP also strike me as civvy.

My scum reads are Dharmahelper, Matt and Metalmarsh. Especially Metal as he has not explained his weird behavior of voting Zebra at the beginning of day 1. I have ased him that question a few times now and keeps ignoring it. If he doesn´t answer I might go ahead and vote him. Dharma because he only usually pops in to comment on something then leaves. Matt because he is being somewhat desperate to get rid of me and his weird conspiracy that is simply not true.

Linki These knock knock jokes are getting so annoying.

Nero didn't make very many posts that were about his thoughts on other players, but I specifically asked him for this one. Of these players, Mac is the only one that Nero had any sort of contact with, and Nero labelled him among his civ reads. This is something I think Mac would tell him it would be okay to do. The whole thread has read Mac as town, why shouldn't Nero?

Nerolunar wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I've had cause to come on and check this game thread a number of times today and I honestly can't recall an occasion where I have and Magnus (Nerolunar) hasn't been on as well and yet (once again) you post so infrequently my friend. I know this is all pretty heavy going and as you're new you are maybe feeling a little overwhelmed (as am I) but isn't there something you'd like to contribute or some observation you'd care to make

I am overwhelmed. I keep a tab open in my broswer and refreshes it occasionally. I hate having to read more than a few pages in one go, so I take it as it comes, especially that it´s Sunday and I don´t have anything else to do.

I believe both Mac and Bullz are town. They both seem genuine to me.

Nero once again calls Mac a town read. Both of these posts took place before Enrique did his 180 on Matt, so at the time Matt seemed like the sure thing and there was no reason for Nero to feel like he was in danger and no reason to heavily distance from teammates.





Let me know what you think y'all. I know it's difficult to look at Mac's posts from this context but if you search his posts for "Nerolunar" and "Nero" and read the bits of the thread surrounding his mentions of Nero, I think there's good evidence for them being on a team together.

MacDougall wrote:Sig and nero... Sig, the ultimate in mislynch meta and nero who I've never played with before. Both ping me for different reasons.

Sig - Well, I am seeing an unusually thorough sig. He's held together. Usually civ sig is a little more mealy mouthed lol. His responses to being put under threat here are a little alarming.
Nerolunar - There was the thing on day 1 where he tried to jump in on the Turnip Head suspicion and when TH growled at him he backed off all like "lol jks bra" and tbh that is arguably the most surface scummy thing that has occurred. Coupled with Matt wanting him lynched...

I think I'd endorse Nero being lynched over sig.

Golden wrote:No, it's fair enough, I asked SVS why, she should respond, it isn't 'wasting her time'.

I didn't agree with TH's case because I felt Mac actually did point to a post where he was advocating a Nero lynch at the very critical point of that day, namely when Matt was at about 4 votes and Nero at 3, and Mac advocated for Nero's lynch at that time.

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:This is why I hate role hints and relying on them; I have no idea WTF you are talking about here, Golden.

Mine is intended for Mac to understand. His might be more self-explanatory.

I think the more relevant question is, why is Mac's behaviour in any way suspicious? What about his crumb hint looked suspicious? Have you seen that tactic used by baddies before? And why was he taking votes on that day in the first place, that necessitated him having to work to defend himself? None of this makes sense to me, in that I just don't understand what people are seeing, because Mac seems very townie this game.

No, I understood his. I don;t understand yours. And, tbh, I should not have to understand them, They should not be required.

Pre bread crumb, I discussed why I thought he was bad. Then the way he handled the role hint felt very, very, very *faux* to me. OMG OMG ROLE HINT then once he isn;t lynched, well, it was not so apparent, was it?

If he is lynched and not bad, tbh, the whole role hint made him more suspect, not less for the most part.

Linki yeah I know

Well thats fine. Mine wasn't for you to understand.

Well, I'm asking you why, pre bread crumb, you thought he was bad? Because I don't understand it.

MacDougall wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I have not been Scarecrowed.

And for me it was THs case, I will go pull that up.

You mean the case the guy that made it doesn't think is good enough to vote me for anymore.

You're wasting your time SVS.

MacDougall wrote:

Golden wrote:No, it's fair enough, I asked SVS why, she should respond, it isn't 'wasting her time'.

I didn't agree with TH's case because I felt Mac actually did point to a post where he was advocating a Nero lynch at the very critical point of that day, namely when Matt was at about 4 votes and Nero at 3, and Mac advocated for Nero's lynch at that time.

What is wasting her time is going through the catacombs to dig up the TH case that has been pointed at countless times. Explaining herself is fine just fine. I don't feel the need to retread over that old chestnut. I wasn't trying to say she is wasting her time explaining herself, just the part where she said "And for me it was THs case, I will go pull that up."

Golden wrote:This:

MacDougall wrote:Sig and nero... Sig, the ultimate in mislynch meta and nero who I've never played with before. Both ping me for different reasons.

Sig - Well, I am seeing an unusually thorough sig. He's held together. Usually civ sig is a little more mealy mouthed lol. His responses to being put under threat here are a little alarming.
Nerolunar - There was the thing on day 1 where he tried to jump in on the Turnip Head suspicion and when TH growled at him he backed off all like "lol jks bra" and tbh that is arguably the most surface scummy thing that has occurred. Coupled with Matt wanting him lynched...

I think I'd endorse Nero being lynched over sig.

Was the post, and it came right in the midst of bubbles, juliets and I all voting for Nero, at that critical point in time where things really swung. I don't give Mac credit for the swing, but I think if TH's case was right and Mac was a Nero teammate, that Mac would only have made this post if he intended to bus, and he would then have followed it up with a vote and completed the bus. This post only makes sense to me, in addition to not ultimately voting nero, as someone who couldn't be sure of nero's affiliation.

sprityo wrote:The only problem with me dying would be putting my fate into the hands of town tbh. Otherwise, bring it on. I'm willing to see how terrible the votes on this wagon get

Dom wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Anybody wanna be my number one amigo and link me to the Mac. Sabie, and Spirityo cases or nah?

If you know me, I'm more of a continually building case person rather than one post with it all compiled.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 47#p234847
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 96#p233396

I think these two sum up my feelings I guess. I'm trying to revisit it tomorrow and see if I feel as strongly.

sprityo wrote:Essentially now, or at least how I'm interpreting it, is that I answered all of Juliette questions, minus say I need to go back and provide a nice read of some stuff, and all the suspicion now comes down to this silly "I don't care if you lynch me, oh and I hinted my role" so now we're upset by this? Like I'm confused still like how I was with the whole Scotty Wilgy thing from day one in. Why? Since it feels like it's a lot of "ew no, I'm voting you cause I dislike that"

Like damn if you don't like my silly "breadcrumb" then don't get offended by it people. Either look for it, ignore it, or some third option.

Linki: and there you go^^

LOL
what
No.
You're pressured, you defend yourself. Some people still suspect you. You remember Mac has avoided lynch for days by dropping a "breadcrumb". You say the word. Like... this is desperate.

sprityo wrote:@juliets

If you honestly, in your gut, etc, know I'm anti town. Then by all means. But if you're (you being everyone here) just looking to vote something, then please reconsider.

DharmaHelper wrote:I can feel a sabie vote out of Sabie/Spirityo/Mac. So thats where I'm voting.

I could vote for any of them.
I'm leaning sprit, but I could go Sabie. I'm gonna try and revisit Mac tomorrow, like I said.

I am so over this shit play. I guess I might not be revisiting Mac.

Glorfindel wrote:As much as I share the suspicions of some of the candidates who've already attracted votes this Day phase, there is one other of whom I am most suspicious. I took bea's advice to heart and last night, stepped back and tried to open my mind to possibilities that I hadn't considered previously and now feel comfortable with my conclusion. I don't accept that none of the more prominent members here at TS are neither Mafia nor Mafia aligned independents (or at least are not Town aligned). Last night I took the opportunity to look in depth at one of the very accomplished members of this site (MM). Other than his vote on me last Day phase, I couldn't recall any contribution of significance from him and undertook an ISO of his posts and was astounded that he has contributed 160 posts to this game. If you haven't ISO'd him, I strongly recommend you do. At at an average post length of around 15 words that 160 posts consist of little more than off topic, flippant or trivial comments with next to no substantial analysis whatsoever. The votes that he's cast have had little to no justification and for a player of his experience and reputation, this set off alarm bells for me.

I then sought to confirm that his performance this game was different to what one would expect from him and so referenced the last game I played with him (Pikmin Mafia) and confirmed that his posting style was indeed very similar - only he WAS Mafia in that game. In my view and from my reading, I feel my vote for MetalMarsh is more than justified at this point.

S~V~S wrote:I don't know that I want to play Mafia anymore. I will hang until my role hint is required.

S~V~S wrote:I don't know that I want to play Mafia anymore. I will hang until my role hint is required.

DharmaHelper wrote:I don't think I've role hinted once in eight years

DharmaHelper wrote:I don't think I've role hinted once in eight years