The Syndicate

Going to catch up before lynch, sorry I was at the lake all weekend and the storms knocked the cell tower down.

sig wrote:SO Some good ole NKA (night kill analysis), Epi is a strong player which alone could explain his death, however he replaced into a weak situation he could've been mislynched at some point. So why kill him night 1?

He suspected Serge and leetic and spent a large portion of the day going back and forth with leetic. So I'm eyeing Leetic and Serge.

I'll be placing a vote for Serge now.
Also yes I know people will say it is scummy for me to build a case around someone being NK'd but that plus what Epi said about Serge and Serge's actions are enough for me to lay a vote out.

Or you killed him.

Votes Sig.

That makes no sense what so ever rabbit.

@Zebra why did you vote for Bulls, when you're also agaisnt MP's idea.

Because me being against MP's idea is irrelevant to my suspicion of Bullz, and even if it wasn't, me being against MP's idea does not make me suspect him.

I'm not sure about you, sig. That was a pretty ridiculous question.

I was under the assumption you thought it was scummy of MP to want to policy lynch from your post?

However, I do agree Bull's voting for MP does seem a little weird.

a2thezebra wrote:Only the last sentence of this paragraph indicates a suspicion. The rest of it is a criticism of what MP is doing, as if he were a civilian that you simply disagree with. I think that you're trying to make MP's recent posts to be more alignment-indicative than you know them to actually be.

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand why I'm getting votes. How else do you all propose we figure out Dizzy's alignment then? Anyone?

It just seems counter-productive to be lynching no shows who might be civs when there are so few players overall. If this were a full game, then maybe. But if Dizzy is bad right now the only people he's hurting are his own team, who would probably be quite willing to throw him under the bus since he's a no show. So either we lynch a civ and go into day 3 with 8 of us left (assuming someone dies tonight) or we lynch a baddie who wasn't playing and whose teammates probably gain more from the civ cred of throwing him under the bus than they would have done from him just continuing to not play. I feel like you know and would have considered this.

Me saying I think a baddie Dizzy's teammates would probably want to throw him under the bus/gain more from doing so isn't considered me thinking he might be bad? I said that in literally the third sentence of the post. It was late at night and I made a hurried vote not knowing if the day would be ending soon or not. I intended to go to bed right after my vote tbh.

sig wrote:I was under the assumption you thought it was scummy of MP to want to policy lynch from your post?

No, not at all. If I thought it was scummy I would have made that clear. I simply disagreed with it strongly.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm not sure about you, sig. That was a pretty ridiculous question.

Right? Sig is bad though.

Like saying sig might have killed ika then accuses the players Epi was after for killing them makes no sense...... right.

Bullzeye wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Only the last sentence of this paragraph indicates a suspicion. The rest of it is a criticism of what MP is doing, as if he were a civilian that you simply disagree with. I think that you're trying to make MP's recent posts to be more alignment-indicative than you know them to actually be.

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand why I'm getting votes. How else do you all propose we figure out Dizzy's alignment then? Anyone?

It just seems counter-productive to be lynching no shows who might be civs when there are so few players overall. If this were a full game, then maybe. But if Dizzy is bad right now the only people he's hurting are his own team, who would probably be quite willing to throw him under the bus since he's a no show. So either we lynch a civ and go into day 3 with 8 of us left (assuming someone dies tonight) or we lynch a baddie who wasn't playing and whose teammates probably gain more from the civ cred of throwing him under the bus than they would have done from him just continuing to not play. I feel like you know and would have considered this.

Me saying I think a baddie Dizzy's teammates would probably want to throw him under the bus/gain more from doing so isn't considered me thinking he might be bad? I said that in literally the third sentence of the post. It was late at night and I made a hurried vote not knowing if the day would be ending soon or not. I intended to go to bed right after my vote tbh.

You brought up the possibility of bussing but didn't refer to MP himself even when considering it, so that just makes it look worse. Your display here of trying to discredit my suspicion while simultaneously trying to excuse your vote where my suspicion comes from isn't a good look either.

linki - sig often makes no sense. I refuse to read him.

a2thezebra wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Only the last sentence of this paragraph indicates a suspicion. The rest of it is a criticism of what MP is doing, as if he were a civilian that you simply disagree with. I think that you're trying to make MP's recent posts to be more alignment-indicative than you know them to actually be.

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand why I'm getting votes. How else do you all propose we figure out Dizzy's alignment then? Anyone?

It just seems counter-productive to be lynching no shows who might be civs when there are so few players overall. If this were a full game, then maybe. But if Dizzy is bad right now the only people he's hurting are his own team, who would probably be quite willing to throw him under the bus since he's a no show. So either we lynch a civ and go into day 3 with 8 of us left (assuming someone dies tonight) or we lynch a baddie who wasn't playing and whose teammates probably gain more from the civ cred of throwing him under the bus than they would have done from him just continuing to not play. I feel like you know and would have considered this.

Me saying I think a baddie Dizzy's teammates would probably want to throw him under the bus/gain more from doing so isn't considered me thinking he might be bad? I said that in literally the third sentence of the post. It was late at night and I made a hurried vote not knowing if the day would be ending soon or not. I intended to go to bed right after my vote tbh.

You brought up the possibility of bussing but didn't refer to MP himself even when considering it, so that just makes it look worse. Your display here of trying to discredit my suspicion while simultaneously trying to excuse your vote where my suspicion comes from isn't a good look either.

linki - sig often makes no sense. I refuse to read him.

I was very tired, that's why the post might not be the most perfect and well-written case in the world. That's also what I was trying to say in the end of my last post.

I going to go ahead a put my vote on leetic.

I might've voted Leetic day one to tie it all up but after Epi got night killed and his long post about me trying to take shit out of context reads super scumy.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I going to go ahead a put my vote on leetic.

Why thanks for the OMGUS.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I might've voted Leetic day one to tie it all up but after Epi got night killed and his long post about me trying to take shit out of context reads super scumy.

Might've? So you don't even know the reasons for your own vote? Keeping my vote on you.

I'm voting Bass the Clever for his leetic vote.

I think leetic is civ.

Voting Wilgy because he doesn't exist.

Zebra, would you ignore me?

DrWilgy wrote:Voting Wilgy because he doesn't exist.

Zebra, would you ignore me?

What are you talking about? I don't understand any of this post.

a2thezebra wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Voting Wilgy because he doesn't exist.

Zebra, would you ignore me?

What are you talking about? I don't understand any of this post.

Yay! Zebra doesn't hate me! *eyes sparkle as he leaps towards Zebra with open arms*

Gleam and Leetic hate me...

I'll switch my vote to agleaminranks then, just for you.

a2thezebra wrote:I'll switch my vote to agleaminranks then, just for you.

Yay! Maybe Gleam will respond to me now.

a2thezebra wrote:I'll switch my vote to agleaminranks then, just for you.

Odd....

rabbit8 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'll switch my vote to agleaminranks then, just for you.

Odd....

*chews on rabbit's foot for good luck*

I'm willing to listen to good arguments for narrowing this lynch down, a lot.

Zebra I'm making perfect sense Rabbit isn't making any sense.

sig wrote:Zebra I'm making perfect sense Rabbit isn't making any sense.

You're posting gibberish.

I'm feeling good about Leetic right now, so I'll switch on over to Bass

linki: No U.

sig wrote:I'm feeling good about Leetic right now, so I'll switch on over to Bass

linki: No U.

More gibberish and pointless vote switching.

sig wrote:Zebra I'm making perfect sense Rabbit isn't making any sense.

Care to provide reasons?

leetic wrote:

sig wrote:Zebra I'm making perfect sense Rabbit isn't making any sense.

Care to provide reasons?

She is bad and didn't want to be tied for the most votes....

He, sorry.

leetic wrote:

sig wrote:Zebra I'm making perfect sense Rabbit isn't making any sense.

Care to provide reasons?

On what?

And no I don't think I do. :P

sig wrote:

leetic wrote:

sig wrote:Zebra I'm making perfect sense Rabbit isn't making any sense.

Care to provide reasons?

On what?

And no I don't think I do. :P

Why should people townread you?
Why are Rabbit's posts nonsensical?

I want content. AWJs (Accusations Without Justifications) are meaningless.

There is no good reason to town read me yet, but also no reason to scum read me.

Rabbit's post are nonsensical since they make no sense, he doesn't explain why he thinks I'm mafia at all and says I'm just talking in gibberish.

sig wrote:There is no good reason to town read me yet, but also no reason to scum read me.

Rabbit's post are nonsensical since they make no sense, he doesn't explain why he thinks I'm mafia at all and says I'm just talking in gibberish.

Sure, you could say that if you're not reading my posts. If you actually read my posts you can see why I think you're bad.

sig wrote:There is no good reason to town read me yet, but also no reason to scum read me.

Rabbit's post are nonsensical since they make no sense, he doesn't explain why he thinks I'm mafia at all and says I'm just talking in gibberish.

I want evidence. Quote some of Ranbot's posts that support your statements.

leetic wrote:

sig wrote:There is no good reason to town read me yet, but also no reason to scum read me.

Rabbit's post are nonsensical since they make no sense, he doesn't explain why he thinks I'm mafia at all and says I'm just talking in gibberish.

I want evidence. Quote some of Ranbot's posts that support your statements.

Anyone that tells you there's no good reason to town or scum read them is a good lynch candidate, IMO.

leetic wrote:I mean, it's one thing for someone to say "leetic is town because he is acting like a cool cat, which he did in Cool Cat Mafia where he was town." And it's another thing for ME to say that.

Is this a YMS reference?

Alrighty then, so today who really sort of set me off are three people who voted for, in my opinion, fishy reasons.

1) bass_the_clever
Anytime anyone votes in order to "tie things up," they always get an eyebrow raise from me. It's probably a minor pet peeve of mine, because it's not only unproductive, it also serves as very good cover for baddies to slip through a day cycle with. Also the whole "cheating" thing also makes me a little bit uncomfortable. Not sure I see as much there as leetic, although it does annoy me that Bass did kind of a NO U with his vote for leetic. This whole game it seems like people keep voting for him purely because he brings forth points that they disagree with, not because the points he brings up are scummy in any way.

2) serge
This is honestly my biggest suspicion right now, and if voting for him at this point would be in any way productive, I'd do it. I agree the reasons for him picking up votes Day 1 weren't great, (even though I was one of the ones who did vote him) but everything he's posted since has made my eyeball twitch. Him turning around and voting leetic after leetic posted a case against him, and not bothering to actually argue against leetic's case other than saying he flipped flopped was kind of coo-koo. And the whole "you guys are picking on me because I'm new, even though leetic is newer than me" thing has more holes than a piece of swiss cheese.

3) bullzeye
I also don't agree with MP's idea for a Dizzy lynch, but I see it more as an MP move and not a scum move. Bullzeye jumping on the wagon immediately set me off as much as it did zebra, whose vote for her seemed pretty solid. My suspicion for her is less than the other two, but she's definitely someone I'm gonna keep an eye on.

Now, our fair host Draconus posted at 7:14pm yesterday that he was extending the poll by 24 hours. I'm going to assume that's when the poll ends.

*votes Bass_the_clever*

Leeeeeeeeeeeeeetic!

wanna respond to me now?

Well that sucks

Civs please see justice for me and Lynch Kerri asap he is bad.

It is now Night 2. Titans, you have until Wednesday 1 at 9pm EST to send me your next kill.
The thread will be locked during this duration.....

You know what? I'm feeling generous. The thread will remain open during this time. Better make it a productive night

lol, WTF.

Of the three votes I suspect leetic and Sig the most.

I'mavotesig.

Yeah, Sig really only joined the wagon when he thought I would defend him, and provided no proper content or analysis to defend his opinions. His late D2 was very scummy.

So, Serge/MP/BtC wasn't a reality... Imma gonna go with Serge/MP/sig then, although sig doesn't really have as many scummy interactions with Serge and MP as BtC did. Rechecking thread to evaluate suspicions.

Alright, I may be nightkilled on this phase, so I'll make a few wallposts. Here's an argument against Serge. I'm analyzing only his D2 here, since most of his D1 is meaningless banter.

sig wrote:SO Some good ole NKA (night kill analysis), Epi is a strong player which alone could explain his death, however he replaced into a weak situation he could've been mislynched at some point. So why kill him night 1?

He suspected Serge and leetic and spent a large portion of the day going back and forth with leetic. So I'm eyeing Leetic and Serge.

I'll be placing a vote for Serge now.
Also yes I know people will say it is scummy for me to build a case around someone being NK'd but that plus what Epi said about Serge and Serge's actions are enough for me to lay a vote out.

Okay, so he votes Serge, and provides some good reasons right?

Except, the situation he's describing is WIFOM at best. Scum could kill someone like Epignosis to incriminate the people he scumreads, and such a post would speed up the process. The fact that this is his only read that he puts any real analysis into doesn't help, as it suggests that that post is intended to help his agenda.

sig wrote:Good point while Epi did vote Serge his suspicion mainly stemmed from Leetic's defense of Serge. I'm operating under the assumption that Leetic and Serge are both mafia, since Leetic came in and defended Serge. However, I don't know Leetic's meta so he might just' have been defending Serge for the reasons he stated. So I'd rather at this point vote for Serge and if/when Serge flip mafia go for Leetic.

Though Leetic's vote for MP.

Bulls what do you think of MP wanting to policy lynch Dizzy and him voting for me?

Okay, so I defended Serge, so we must be scum, right? Except 1.) That's not what happened (I was opposed to a policy lynch and even voted Serge when he started displaying scummy behavior) and 2.) If me defending Serge makes me scumbuddies with Serge, then by extension sig defending me makes sig scumbuddies with me. Yeah, this seems hypocritical when you take his previous posts into account, but then again that may have been the intention (buddying with an analytical and potentially dangerous (to scum) player in hopes of making him look scummy).

sig wrote:Also I'd consider switching to Leetic but, I'd want to ISO him and don't have the time right now.

So yeah, that vote wasn't intended to be permanent from the get-go. Not only does that display a sort of planning into your votes, but it also reeks of distancing.

sig wrote:I was under the assumption you thought it was scummy of MP to want to policy lynch from your post?

Yeah, I'm just quoting this one to support my Serge/MP/sig theory.

sig wrote:I'm feeling good about Leetic right now, so I'll switch on over to Bass

linki: No U.

...Okay. So after two wallposts, you decided to back down and follow me. That post basically contradicts everything that he's said before that point. Plus, I had built momentum in that thread, so he was following a leader toward an easy mislynch. Another thing that I mentioned before, is that he provides no reason for any of this. I was his second biggest scumread before this post, and now I'm magically someone he's following. What.

I asked him several times to provide quoted posts to support his statements. He didn't provide any.

sig wrote:There is no good reason to town read me yet, but also no reason to scum read me.

Rabbit's post are nonsensical since they make no sense, he doesn't explain why he thinks I'm mafia at all and says I'm just talking in gibberish.

Well, that's too bad, I've came up with many reasons to scum read you based on your previous posts.

And with Rabbit, I feel that "they make no sense" is just a way to evade Rabbit's accusations.

Well, that's one player down. I'll make similar posts for Serge and MP, and maybe a couple of others (I'm willing to take requests!). I want to get all my analysis out now before I get nightkilled so town has all the necessary tools. Serge, watch out, because you're next.

You know, this would be easier if you all believe I'm town.

May the dark scummy forces smite you, leetic!

Serge wrote:May the dark scummy forces smite you, leetic!

LOL look who showed up.

Don't worry Serge, my analysis will get finished soon.