Re: Monkey Island [DAY 2]
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:36 pm
I want to lynch Epignosis.
Voted for Black Rock.Quin wrote:I want to lynch Epignosis.
NahEpignosis wrote:Voted for Black Rock.Quin wrote:I want to lynch Epignosis.
Your turn.
I never thought otherwise.a2thezebra wrote:I want to lynch Quin.
That's right suckers I can talk.
Your OMGUS historical revisionism game is on point!Snow Dog wrote:I never thought otherwise.a2thezebra wrote:I want to lynch Quin.
That's right suckers I can talk.
I never once posted an opinion on the matter.a2thezebra wrote:Your OMGUS historical revisionism game is on point!Snow Dog wrote:I never thought otherwise.a2thezebra wrote:I want to lynch Quin.
That's right suckers I can talk.
wooshSnow Dog wrote:I never once posted an opinion on the matter.a2thezebra wrote:Your OMGUS historical revisionism game is on point!Snow Dog wrote:I never thought otherwise.a2thezebra wrote:I want to lynch Quin.
That's right suckers I can talk.
Snow Dog wrote:Just looked up OMGUS on Google and I can say that it is irrelevant to my thoughts on your supposed not being able to write. Vote for me every day as far as I'm concerned.
Yes i have been thinking about this since I posted it and it could be an angry Mafia MP annoyed at being suspected by a method he hadn't considered.Black Rock wrote:Snow Dog wrote:MP's reactions this night make me think he is civ. Otherwise I don't understand his frustration and anger.
His reactions make him neutral to me, since I've seen him react in such ways civ or bad.
I'm going to make this vote. I just have no idea where it will be, but the day is young. The computer will be moving up from the basement soon and that will make mafiaing easier.
Why baddie vibes? I also had an issue with your self vote. Perhaps I am also on your vote list?Quin wrote:Mad Max is likely to end today so once that's over I'll properly catch up and probably dish out some kind of bullshit idk. It's not an ideal justification for being lazy, but in all honesty that game's left me all burnt out.
Long Con asked me who I'd have voted - I would answer Soneji. I'll see if I can back that read up later but his argument against my self-vote gives me dem baddie vibes.
Already? Who did you have in mind?Epignosis wrote:Time to cull the less actives.
Exactly... maybe the killer wasn't around to send it in. Host, can a team send in a kill for an absent killer?Epignosis wrote:Two people should have died. Only one did.
There's a blocker, a protector, and the Head of the Navigator, but there's also this:thellama73 wrote:LeChuck - The infamous ghost pirate. Kills nightly.
The Cannibals (3) - Just want to be left alone on Monkey Island. They kill nightly and win if both other teams are dead (with the exception of Herman Toothrot and the Head of the Navigator, whom they can tolerate.)
thellama73 wrote:Night ends in an hour and I am still missing lots of actions.
Ah, I see.Epignosis wrote:I want to lynch Black Rock.
#YOLOLong Con wrote: So Zebra, if you could talk all along, then why were you not?
No, I want all the attention.Long Con wrote:Was that a method of getting through day 1 without attarcting much attention?
Who are they?Long Con wrote:I wonder if you would have stopped fooling around sooner if someone other than motel room or MP had been on the chopping block?
Snow Dog wrote:ignore you for now.
MovingPictures07 wrote: Seriously, who the hell would kill Golden in his comeback game? Heartless bastards, that's who.
Because lately, I also feel like less actives have been ignored, and I want to change that still. I have been less active lately and have been rewarded for it, yet when I am more active, I have been killed. Boo to that. Encourages non-participation and riding on one's laurels *steps off soapbox*Epignosis wrote:Time to cull the less actives.
I'll bite - any other reason you voted her besides inactivity? Or are you cherry-picking and waiting for reactions? I like it.Epignosis wrote:Voted for Black Rock.Quin wrote:I want to lynch Epignosis.
Your turn.
This is why I hate rainbow lists. On the other hand, I do use them to determine someone's alignment based on how they rate me. Self-centered, perhaps, but it's been working decently well. Mostly hate for rainbows, though.Long Con wrote:On the other hand, rainbow lists can paint a target on the heads of those who are deemed most Civ.
So a page full of MP posts. So, normal mafia.MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP Golden.
Seriously, who the hell would kill Golden in his comeback game? Heartless bastards, that's who.
I haven't caught up, and still won't until I've finished all my preparations for Parks and Recreation Mafia hosting. Sorry. I should be around at some point today though and I'll be ISOing you folks. So be prepared.
Anyone can send me any PMs they want to.Long Con wrote:Host, can a team send in a kill for an absent killer?
Zebra, why do you want attention?a2thezebra wrote:#YOLOLong Con wrote: So Zebra, if you could talk all along, then why were you not?No, I want all the attention.Long Con wrote:Was that a method of getting through day 1 without attarcting much attention?Who are they?Long Con wrote:I wonder if you would have stopped fooling around sooner if someone other than motel room or MP had been on the chopping block?
Not necessarily- both teams could have vied for Golden. Or one was blocked.Epignosis wrote:I'm not interested in MP right now. I want to give him room Day 2 to get his ideas out there (like he ever needed room for that ), but I want to know who missed a kill. That's a team of four and a team of three. One of those teams fell asleep at the wheel.
Wait a sec, was this a pasta pun?thellama73 wrote:Meanwhile, a fight breaks out, as fights are wont to do in places like this, and Motel Room is killed. He shouldn't have put his elbows on the table.
On what basis do you believe both kills were submitted?sig wrote:I do think our mafia members either didn't vote or voted on a non wagon avoiding both major lynches. I do however, believe night kills where submitted and I don't think we should just start lynching lurkers on the off chance an entire team forgot/wasn't around to submit a kill.
You answered your own question. There's a core difference between this game and RoT3K in that while in that game there weren't any protector roles, in this game there are 3 that may have been responsible for a missed NK. Yet he's pushing the inactive route, likely for an easy mislynch.sig wrote:I think its just as likely one of the roles stopped the second night kill.
@Quin why Epi
No, because my suspicion was not a NO U. And I've since addressed this point.Snow Dog wrote:Why baddie vibes? I also had an issue with your self vote. Perhaps I am also on your vote list?Quin wrote:Mad Max is likely to end today so once that's over I'll properly catch up and probably dish out some kind of bullshit idk. It's not an ideal justification for being lazy, but in all honesty that game's left me all burnt out.
Long Con asked me who I'd have voted - I would answer Soneji. I'll see if I can back that read up later but his argument against my self-vote gives me dem baddie vibes.
Epignosis wrote:On what basis do you believe both kills were submitted?sig wrote:I do think our mafia members either didn't vote or voted on a non wagon avoiding both major lynches. I do however, believe night kills where submitted and I don't think we should just start lynching lurkers on the off chance an entire team forgot/wasn't around to submit a kill.
I found this bit on LC interesting will get back to it later.Golden wrote:I'm historically pretty damn good at reading LC - defending him against bad accusations, attacking him when no one else will listen..MovingPictures07 wrote:Yeah, there really isn't much behind it, and LC is historically difficult for me to read. LC's post history has seemed genuine to me; I like the way he handled Mac's "you're trying too hard" with "try harder", he handled the accusation well.Nachomamma8 wrote:And, while I'm at it: MovingPictures, would you mind elaborating on your LC town lean a little more? I understand there might not be much behind it, but what do you think of him scumreading DrWigly early? It seems to me that DrWigly doing something weird (like not reading his role PM) isn't really unexpected and I don't actually think there's any scum motivation behind not reading your role PM; why don't you think that he's pushing on an easy target early?
If I was able to vote and change my vote, I'd be voting Long Con for those reasons; MovingPictures is a civilian read at this point.
You make a good argument as to why Wilgy's not worth scum reading though; that's why I didn't find it worth any read personally. I've been wrong about LC before for what seemed like manufactured or opportunistic early suspicions though.
For right now I think he is town. His role analysis shines more when he is town, I think. I can't put it into exact words, but there is a depth to it that indicates genuine thought an desire to get the answers.
Mentions me and Ninja, for being to quiet he did end up voting for Ninja but he didn't really push on her.Golden wrote:I feel more clueless than usual for day one - I don't have any active bad reads. My vote is going to a player who I don't think has yet matched my perception of their civ meta.
I feel a bit like a dick doing that because I know how frustrating I find it when I get lynched on day one merely for not posting 150 times! But I have nothing better to go on.
That means, for me, motel room, sig or ninja. I normally get an early town vibe from MR that is lacking here. Sig is waaay too quiet for sig. Ninja's check in was probably before any content developed, but she is adept at using her limited posts well and that's what I'm waiting to see.
I'd wait for the morning if I could, but I can't. So, ninja it is.
Talks about zebra worth noting, but again he wasn't really pushing zebra.Golden wrote:Hey zebra. I see you lurking - although maybe you can only post in smilies right now. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the game so far though.
Also, snow, sorry for not buddying you sooner, but it's nice to meet you. Your name comes up a lot, so I'm looking forward to playing with you.
Golden wrote:Re my opinion on MP
I have seen him be frustrated at accusations as both alignments.
I've seen him buddy people as both alignments.
I can recall specific instances of him burning me with each of them in the past when bad, but it's easy to let 'you have done that to me when bad before' sway your read to 'bad' when it's actually 'null'.
I also think that MP has been incredibly regularly on the table for lynching on day one/two recently, and I've seen a marked uptick in him getting frustrated at the accusations early rather than maintaining a rational calm. Again, I see this as null, because I've seen it as both alignments. And I don't really blame him - I have been through runs in the past where I'm in that spot where no matter what you do, people are immediately inspecting me and declaring me bad, and it can get very frustrating. Sometimes you just want a run of not being on defense to get your hunting straight.
All of those null things straight - here are things I've seen as genuinely potentially alignment-indicative from MP
1) His happiness to have the game going at a slow pace - town-aligned. I think he would be much more focussed on his meta upkeep if he was bad, but in this game I did not get the sense he cared about maintaining any appearance. This is also a major town tell with me, and I believe it's a pretty reliable one.
2) His focus on nacho in the early game - feeling out and interacting with a new player - town-aligned. I felt like MP was genuinely trying to get a good sense of who he is and what he is bringing to the table.
3) His inability to see epi's case as holding merit - slightly bad-leaning. I can understand the frustration, but I have more difficulty understanding why MP wouldn't recognise a legitimate meta case and respond to it as such (rather than a nonsense case). It may be based on a predisposition to assume epi's cases are not intended to hold merit but are just intended to see what responses come, which is in fact the tack MP took. It's also something epi is well known for doing. But that makes it a very easy 'rote' defense to any epi case.
Overall, I still see MP as town-aligned, and in particular point (1) is very persuasive to me.
You didn't know that. A number of my roles had secrets, and on top of that, there were dozens of items that offered special abilities, which were also secret.Quin wrote:You answered your own question. There's a core difference between this game and RoT3K in that while in that game there weren't any protector roles, in this game there are 3 that may have been responsible for a missed NK.sig wrote:I think its just as likely one of the roles stopped the second night kill.
@Quin why Epi
Is that my master plan now? Gun for MP all of Day 1 and then switch it up Day 2 for- your words- "an easy mislynch."Quin wrote:Yet he's pushing the inactive route, likely for an easy mislynch.
sig wrote:Epignosis wrote:On what basis do you believe both kills were submitted?sig wrote:I do think our mafia members either didn't vote or voted on a non wagon avoiding both major lynches. I do however, believe night kills where submitted and I don't think we should just start lynching lurkers on the off chance an entire team forgot/wasn't around to submit a kill.
It is rather rare for kills not to be submitted isn't it? It also requires very little effort to submit a kill. If only one player could do it I might be able to see that argument, however it is very unlikely a whole team was so inactive that they didn't send in a kill.
Okay Quin I was wondering if you had any other reasoning
The question of how many constitutes "lots" may have no answer. However:thellama73 wrote:Night ends in an hour and I am still missing lots of actions.
Epignosis wrote:You didn't know that. A number of my roles had secrets, and on top of that, there were dozens of items that offered special abilities, which were also secret.Quin wrote:You answered your own question. There's a core difference between this game and RoT3K in that while in that game there weren't any protector roles, in this game there are 3 that may have been responsible for a missed NK.sig wrote:I think its just as likely one of the roles stopped the second night kill.
@Quin why Epi
You did. You were the host, so you should know better than anyone.
Is that my master plan now? Gun for MP all of Day 1 and then switch it up Day 2 for- your words- "an easy mislynch."Quin wrote:Yet he's pushing the inactive route, likely for an easy mislynch.
yeh
Pretty rich coming from the guy who voted himself Day 1, preemptively washing his hands of that lynch to find out if votes could be changed or not.
I was being helpful
Not so likely. I'd kill plenty before killing Golden.sig wrote:I could also see LC killing Golden day 1.
It's an avenue I said could be present, but it would be more likely that you killed him before he started to read you as bad and not because he was reading you as good.Long Con wrote:Not so likely. I'd kill plenty before killing Golden.sig wrote:I could also see LC killing Golden day 1.
I kind of skimmed your big post, but it looked like Golden said he's good at reading me, so I killed him. Sorry, my time is short right now, I'll try again in a bit.
Do you usually put credence in NK analyses? Or is it just for Golden?sig wrote:It's an avenue I said could be present, but it would be more likely that you killed him before he started to read you as bad and not because he was reading you as good.Long Con wrote:Not so likely. I'd kill plenty before killing Golden.sig wrote:I could also see LC killing Golden day 1.
I kind of skimmed your big post, but it looked like Golden said he's good at reading me, so I killed him. Sorry, my time is short right now, I'll try again in a bit.
I don't put much credence in my ISO of Golden though.
I'm the host. I'm at liberty to say anything I want. I make the rules!Scotty wrote:@HOST Are you at liberty to say the exact number of PMs that were missing last night? And if so, how many?